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#684636 Cheers and Jeers for 2011

Posted by bobo on 01 January 2012 - 09:39 PM

Twenty eleven saw the tenth anniversary of the events of 9/11, and it also saw the tenth anniversary of Cheers and Gears. This website was launched in November 2001 by Walt Keegan, aka Avant1963, as a site for passionate, fair, but tough GM fans. Through the years the site was directed by various Admins, including Josh, FlyBrian, and z28luvr01, and now under the steady hand and ownership of Oldsmoboi, who besides putting it on stable financial ground and providing some of the most balanced automobile reviews around, broadened the scope of the site to include other makes and has seen fit to significantly upgrade the board just in time for the anniversary.

In the world around us, Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in January in an assassination attempt but miraculously survived. In March, Japan suffered one of the year’s worst natural disasters, the magnitude 9.0 earthquake and subsequent tsunami that killed over 15,000 people and caused explosions and radiation leaks at a nuclear power plant. Osama bin Laden was killed by Navy SEALs in Pakistan in May. Weinergate, with Congressman Anthony Weiner revealing a little too much of himself, occurred in June. In August, after a prolonged battle in Congress to raise the debt ceiling, the U.S. suffered the first downgrade of their debt rating. In September, the tenth anniversary of 9/11 was commemorated throughout the nation, and then Occupy Wall Street sprang up in Zuccotti Park in New York to protest greed, economic inequality, and undue influence of the “one percenters.” The protest movement spread to small and large cities throughout the nation and overseas. Apple Computer founder Steve Jobs died in October. Kim Jong-Il, supreme leader of North Korea, died in December, leaving control of the country to his 28-year old son. The war in Iraq ended in December with some heavy costs, including about 4,500 deaths and over 30,000 wounded in the U.S. military and a financial cost of around a trillion dollars. The Afghanistan War continues on as the longest-running American war, with no end in sight. Some of the other notable deaths during the year included Amy Winehouse, Andy Rooney, Jack Kevorkian, Jack LaLanne, and Elizabeth Taylor.

The U.S. automotive industry continued its healthy recovery. Lexus lost its luxury sales crown to either Mercedes-Benz or BMW, yet to be revealed. Honda and Toyota were hobbled by the earthquake in Japan. Hyundai and Kia continued to see their trajectories rise. Volkswagen had a sales resurgence with the budget-priced Jetta and Passat. Saab declared bankruptcy after GM blocked the sale of the company with its intellectual property to a Chinese company. The end of Maybach was announced. The last body-on-frame passenger vehicle available in the U.S., the Ford Crown Victoria, was finally put down.

And now, time for the Tenth Annual Edition of Cheers and Jeers:

Cheers to Chrysler for Best Turnaround by taking the much maligned Sebring, sprucing it up, having Eminem shill it during the Super Bowl, and seeing sales double this year. The majority of the rest of the Chrysler Group fleet also was refined with new interiors and better engines, and the LX sedans, the Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger, are shining stars. Unfortunately for them, the Fiat 500 has been a sales dud, and Jennifer Lopez has been no help.

Jeers to Chrysler for Worst Branding Decision by slowly dismantling the Dodge brand, first by having the Ram trucks become its own brand, and recently announcing that the forthcoming Viper would be sold under the SRT brand and not Dodge, and the Grand Caravan would soon be leaving the U.S. market, though not Canada’s. How soon will it be before Dodge goes away completely?

Cheers to Ford for the Best Marketing by convincing truck buyers to spend more money to buy the ecoBoost F-150. An amazing 40% of F-150 buyers are driving off with the turbo V6 engine, which costs almost $1,000 more than the V8.

Jeers to Ford for the Worst Marketing, one of their “Drive One” commercials that quotes a Ford owner stating that he would not buy a car from a company that was bailed out by the government. Ford quickly pulled the ad, leading to California Congressman and douchebag extraordinaire Darrell Issa to question Ford if the Obama administration pressured them to pull the ad. 66Stang (aka A Horse With No Name) changed his screen name over his disgust with Ford. http://www.cheersand...ull-bailout-ad/

Cheers to GM for providing high-quality small cars. The Cruze showed that American consumers are willing to pay a premium for a well-built small car with an upmarket interior and good driving dynamics. Chevy followed that up with the snazzy little Sonic, missing brake pads notwithstanding, and the Buick Verano is a compelling premium compact.

Jeers to Honda for not having a clue why the Accord Crosstour has not caught on. The Ridgeline never caught on either, and the new Civic lost its “Recommended” rating by Consumer Reports. The Acura division is plagued by ugly vehicles. At one time, Honda kept it simple and made jewel-like, fun-to-drive vehicles. Honda announced a crash Civic refresh, new engines, and full hybrid drivetrains, so perhaps there is hope yet for them. http://www.cheersand...our-successful/

Cheers to mudmonster, the C&G Staff Member of Merit, for his dedicated writing and posting of news articles.

Cheers to wildmanjoe for his Best New Forum Feature with his “Cheers or Jeers” posts showing interesting or obscure eBay automotive finds.

Cheers to Camino LS6 for Best Thread on the search for the culprit of the poorly running Tahoe. After dozens of suggestions and diagnoses, it was determined to be a bad distributor. http://www.cheersand...ust-a-bad-wire/

Cheers to ocnblu being the Best Automotive Consumer. He did more than his fair share supporting the domestic automotive industry by starting the year out with a Chevy Colorado—his second—and trading it in for a Ford Fiesta, wrecking it, getting a Chevy Cruze, and then trading it in for a Jeep Patriot. "Automotive ADD," as pow calls it.

Cheers to Dodgefan for Best Concept for a bold new compact from Dodge, the Venom, which was also the winner of a C&G design competition. Dodge has the new Dart on the way, but it will be tough to one up the Venom.

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Honorable Mention to blackviper for his aggressive take on a new full-size K5 Blazer.

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Cheers to Chris Doane and knightfan26917 for their heartfelt and inspiring personal stories, with Chris following his dreams and venturing on his own in the car photography business and pursuing his helicoptering passions, and knightfan26917 for getting his heart fixed. Cheers also to black-knight for shocking the board and getting a decent car, the Dodge Challenger, after a series of heaps but, alas, is on the verge of letting it slip away.

More Cheers to C&G members for their constructive contributions to the board, including to dwightlooi for continuing to share his technical expertise and to curmudgeonly balthazar for keeping that window to the past open. And Charger4U’s Word Association passed 25,000 posts and hasn’t crashed the board yet.

Hope everybody has a Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year!

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#675175 The Bitch, Moan and Whine thread...

Posted by FAPTurbo on 07 October 2011 - 02:55 PM

I think I'm ready to give up on cars and just get a Camry.

I'm still digging myself out of a $20-something grand hole over here (scrambling to sell the Challenger) and I'll be unemployed on the 18th. Fun, fun, fun.

Answer to both your ills.

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Posted by FAPTurbo on 22 March 2016 - 03:39 PM

And Cheers and Gears recommends that it's readers actually read the article they posted before commenting on it.
CR recommends avoiding only the early versions of these electric cars. 
BTW, I'm sure you're really proud!!!
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ruh roh!!


And not one of C&G's rabid supporters of electric propulsion has come in here to say a word.  :)

They didn't have to because everyone else called out your silliness.
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Posted by Drew Dowdell on 22 March 2016 - 07:40 AM

And Cheers and Gears recommends that it's readers actually read the article they posted before commenting on it.


CR recommends avoiding only the early versions of these electric cars. 


BTW, I'm sure you're really proud!!!


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ruh roh!!

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#775610 LA Auto Show: 2017 Lincoln MKZ: Comments

Posted by ocnblu on 18 November 2015 - 09:27 PM

I've asked this question before... it is as if Ford is dearly missing all of the British luxury brands they used to own.  Explorer looks like a Range Rover.  Every Ford car looks like an Aston-Martin... and now they're making Lincolns look like Jaguars.  Creepy.

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#656857 Zoom?

Posted by Satty on 26 March 2011 - 08:42 PM

You can't keep a 3800 running, I doubt you'll get much use out of a rotary.
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#652421 Interactive Review: 2011 Chevrolet Volt

Posted by Drew Dowdell on 20 February 2011 - 11:10 AM

Big question is, if you aren't a Sierra Club activist, would you buy a Volt over any other $35,000 car? The environmentalists will buy it (and the Leaf), but will regular people?

I'm not a Sierra Club activist and I would totally buy this over a CTS because a CTS, while nice and handles great, doesn't suit my day to day needs like a Volt does. The Volt is comfortable for long distance drives, it's very very very very quiet. It has a nice interior. Handles plenty good enough, has a highly useful cargo area that only the CTS Wagon could compete with, and for 95% of my driving and commuting, I wouldn't use very much if any gas at all.

One doesn't need to be a Sierra Club activist to see the $4.25 a gallon writing on the wall.

Step one is being realistic about what you use your car for on a day to day basis. No one commutes to work via the Nurburgring. There isn't a single place here in Pittsburgh where you can use the capabilities of...say a 330i... to even 50% of it's maxiumum for more than a second.

Step two is not being a brand snob.
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#642019 The post rating system

Posted by Satty on 09 December 2010 - 07:16 AM

I don't like it. It's a way for immature cowards to hit and run with no consequence. This is a DISCUSSION forum.

No it isn't. Have you not been paying attention the last couple of years? It's a haven for people to bitch and moan about how not every car is a hardtop, or that every car isn't a coupe, or that every car isn't a Hyundai Sonata Turbo, or that Greenpeace is coming out at night and taking away trucks or some other such nonsense. That's not discussion, its whining.
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#604512 The $16,000 Question: Jetta, Cruze or Focus? [w/poll]

Posted by Paolino on 18 June 2010 - 09:09 PM

[quote name='Oldsmoboi' date='18 June 2010 - 07:49 PM' timestamp='1276904991' post='604459']
Ask GMTruckguy why he doesn't like buying used. Ask Pauliano....

[quote name='Camino LS6' date='18 June 2010 - 07:59 PM' timestamp='1276905572' post='604460']
There's a difference between used and very used.

[quote name='Oldsmoboi' date='18 June 2010 - 08:02 PM' timestamp='1276905725' post='604461']
Don't talk about Pauli like that! He's a nice guy!

[quote name='Camino LS6' date='18 June 2010 - 08:04 PM' timestamp='1276905874' post='604462']

I'd never do any such thing!


..... :cussing:

[quote name='Oldsmoboi' date='18 June 2010 - 07:00 PM' timestamp='1276902014' post='604442']
Because for some, it's the freedom that comes with owning a car. They don't care how fast they go and they don't want to turn the a wrench, and they don't want to spend a lot on fuel, but they love being behind the wheel and on the road somewhere in their car.

[quote name='Camino LS6' date='18 June 2010 - 07:05 PM' timestamp='1276902326' post='604448']
Which does not equate to lovng cars.

I believe Oldsmoboi was referring to me when he said, "Ask Pauliano" (which the spelling made me throw up a little bit in my mouth)... and I LOVE cars. Love them to the point of belonging to a car forum. Love them to the point of talking about them. To being able to identify the make/model/year of car by its brake lights from a mile away. The point of knowing ridiculous amounts of specs on every model. To the point of knowing options available in each model.

That said...

... I want to get in the car. Don't care how fast I get to 70 (which is what I usually cruise at), as long as it's not too slow. I don't care if I get the most fuel-efficient model. I don't care if the car can take a turn going 90.

That said... I LOVE driving. And I love my car. I'm driving a 1994 Buick Century with over 197,000 miles, and I still love hearing the startup chime when I get in and feeling the ice cold a/c, and get amused by the turquoise "Low Traction" light that conveniently takes your eyes off the road when you're skidding. I like that my car absorbs bumps better than most new cars (albeit it floats way too much, but I am okay with that).

When I purchase a new car... I don't have ANY interest in modifying the car. I want to purchase it exactly one way, and keep it that way. I will maintain it by taking it to a mechanic, but I have absolutely no interest in learning how to change the oil myself, or do anything other than adding fluids/changing bulbs and wiper blades, and cleaning it.

But, I love cars and I love my car.
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#785748 2016 McDonald's Mighty Angus Review by Suaviloquent

Posted by Suaviloquent on 10 March 2016 - 02:17 PM

Hello all, this is my first review ever of anything, and it's about a burger sold by the Golden Arches here in Canada as the mighty Angus. Angus....






So. Let's start with the presentation. Very nice exterior, classy lines, and I love the brown paint on the bun. The seed pattern is very stylized and reminds me of perforated leather.


It starts great, and it continues nicely. The lettuce was full of colour, clearly they thought of the rendering of the foliage and the colour saturation of the greens. But I'm not sure this is 4K, I'd say it's more of a judder-free 60hz 1080p.


Alright, so the sauce. very viscous, smoky sweet, probably some diesel soot colour. Probably some kind of heavy lubricant that needs to be warmed up to allow the bun and toppings to slide freely. It's a bit overbearing though, they need to taste-tune it so it is milder and less dominating the experience.


The grilled onions, excellent. I never thought a McDonald's burger would come with this luxury feature, but you know that's just what's happening in the industry, You're seeing trickle-down flavourtronics, and McDonald's is catching up to better burgers that cost less.


Tomato slice. I'm sorry, they advertise this is a massaging tomato for your tongue, but you know how it is, it's nothing like a real massager for your tongue. It just isn't possible at this price, it vibrates a little when you bite, but the viscous sauce probably reduces the sensation. You can't feel it.


However, the bacon bits are an affront to anyone who likes bacon. There's no replacement for displacement, and the bacon should have displaced MOAR OF LE BERGEUR. Inexcusable, for a CAD $7 burger. 


The Patty? Either it's unimpressive or the smoky sauce, again, dampened the experience. To me, it's just a bigger patty from the same cut. No excellence of execution for the patty. Too much flab, not enough magnetic tasty food control.


So, what is the total package you are getting?


I think this is a good burger, probably overpriced, but reliable as it's very time efficient. Time efficiency is like the "reliability" of fast food.


So, I give it a 7.2/10, would Trump again, but only if my Obama-Clintoncare Foodsurance paid for it with a $19 trillion dollar deductible.








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#735989 Biggest one day stock drop due to auto Fire in Seattle Suburb

Posted by Intrepidation on 02 October 2013 - 10:56 PM

Leaving one to wonder just how easy is it for these electric auto's to catch on fire and possibly kill someone.


That's cute. Because vehicles carrying a payload of highly flammable fluids never catch fire.


Those last two links are especially incredible when you consider that they are related to electrical problems. In a GASOLINE powered vehicle you say? Clearly this is witchcraft and we should go back to horse drawn carriages.

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#719143 One Night Stands! :P

Posted by FAPTurbo on 20 December 2012 - 04:02 PM

I guess if I had to pick one night stand, it'd be this one:

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It's walnut AND on sale on Amazon!
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#706976 Industry News: Fisker: Can Someone Loan Us $150 Million?

Posted by Drew Dowdell on 17 August 2012 - 08:18 AM

I'm disappointed that any of the long timers here would wish a domestic car company, especially one with attractive and interesting designs, close up shop REGARDLESS of how they are powered.

Don't like the power train? Don't buy one... but don't wish them dead and then complain that GM only sells FWD, 4-cylinder, 4-door jellybeans.
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#672848 Buick Regal Wagon Is Not Happening

Posted by Camino LS6 on 09 September 2011 - 04:59 PM

CUVs are all awful, just terrible-looking things - all of them. And, I think this wagon would have sold pretty well. But that isn't why I called this decision a mistake.

It's a mistake because the car is in production and all of the parts to make it happen here are in production. Anytime an opportunity like that exists, the bodystyle should be offered - even if on a limited basis. GM has been toying with the idea of creating families of cars (multiple bodystyles) on a single named model, and that's a great strategy. Every opportunity to re-introduce this concept should be taken to get folks used to it again. This approach is what made GM so successful in the past, and it will work again - if they commit to it.

So, boo to this decision.
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#659969 Hyundai Accent Joins The 40 MPG Club

Posted by daves87rs on 22 April 2011 - 11:49 PM

[quote name='ocnblu' timestamp='1303514353' post='6

Now, doing the math, when I add it all up... and knowing that every other car in the class is gunning for the Fiesta, I think maybe you should have stayed in school.


Now, that was below the belt.

If you have to get crude, please get the f@#k out of the thread. Thanks.

Now, back on topic- I have to say that this has the be the cleanest version of the "sonata" style that I have seen. It does offer much more than the current car.

Let's just see if they do the price bump that they have done with the last two cars. Interestingly though, I think they could get it too....
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#626941 Un F-ing Believable

Posted by Camino LS6 on 06 October 2010 - 07:36 AM

Sometimes you just have to do what's right and sort the rest out later.
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#579072 Man Destroys Home With Bulldozer

Posted by Drew Dowdell on 21 February 2010 - 08:56 AM

This guy is a common criminal.

I would argue that the bank is the criminal here. The man destroyed his own property. It's crazy, but it's not illegal. The bank doesn't own it (yet).

The man owed $160k to the bank. The bank received $170k offer for the property. The bank got greedy and said no since they felt they could probably sell a $350k house for $250k and make $90k profit on it. THE BANK SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO FORECLOSE ON THE PROPERTY JUST BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY CAN MAKE A PROFIT ON IT. In fact, I think the bank should probably be put under investigation and ALL of it's foreclosure proceedings put on hold.

I've read story after story of people having foreclosure proceedings started against them despite their willingness and renewed ability to pay or that they've found a buyer who would pay off the loan. I've heard of banks foreclosing on the wrong house. There was a couple in Florida who got foreclosed on..... who paid for their house in cash. Never even HAD a mortgage. The bank sent someone to their house who cleaned out all their stuff, hauled it away, and then bolted the doors.

The banks deserve ZERO benefit of the doubt here.

This guy may be crazy... but at least he's thinking. The banks are mindless zombies.
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#570907 Detroit 2010: Cadillac XTS Platinum Concept

Posted by Camino LS6 on 17 January 2010 - 12:54 PM

Let me distill my objections to the car down to basics:

- Its EPII underpinnings trash the proportions

- It was touted as a flagship, but clearly isn't.

- It was touted as being inspired by the Sixteen, to which it bears no resemblence.

- The footwell intrusion is inexcusable, especially in a car of this size.

- It was intended to replace not one, but two, exisitng cars - it replaces one.

- It does nothing to move the brand forward beyond its current template.

Still rates a 5 out of 10 in my book.
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#566539 stop the bs

Posted by Drew Dowdell on 02 January 2010 - 10:40 AM

Toyota has been getting "government bailouts" from Tokyo for decades in the form of government healthcare and a manipulated, artificially low Yen.

Toyota had more recalled vehicles than any other manufacturer this year.

Ford and Buick are doing great in reliability surveys.

so... yeah.
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#667399 Rage... is it ever justifiable?

Posted by balthazar on 05 July 2011 - 11:50 AM

>>"Damaging another persons vehicle during the operation of yours is a property-damage accident."<<

^ Not sure how tandem/tri-axle dumps can get away with signage 'not responsible for debris from road' were this to be unilateral.

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What's quite amusing in this thread is how the person advising one make a discreet right turn and avoid confrontation were he in the same scenario, reacts to the relating of a story with belittlement & shouted obscenities. A bit oxymoronic... :smilewide:
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