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#684636 Cheers and Jeers for 2011

Posted by bobo on 01 January 2012 - 09:39 PM

Twenty eleven saw the tenth anniversary of the events of 9/11, and it also saw the tenth anniversary of Cheers and Gears. This website was launched in November 2001 by Walt Keegan, aka Avant1963, as a site for passionate, fair, but tough GM fans. Through the years the site was directed by various Admins, including Josh, FlyBrian, and z28luvr01, and now under the steady hand and ownership of Oldsmoboi, who besides putting it on stable financial ground and providing some of the most balanced automobile reviews around, broadened the scope of the site to include other makes and has seen fit to significantly upgrade the board just in time for the anniversary.

In the world around us, Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in January in an assassination attempt but miraculously survived. In March, Japan suffered one of the year’s worst natural disasters, the magnitude 9.0 earthquake and subsequent tsunami that killed over 15,000 people and caused explosions and radiation leaks at a nuclear power plant. Osama bin Laden was killed by Navy SEALs in Pakistan in May. Weinergate, with Congressman Anthony Weiner revealing a little too much of himself, occurred in June. In August, after a prolonged battle in Congress to raise the debt ceiling, the U.S. suffered the first downgrade of their debt rating. In September, the tenth anniversary of 9/11 was commemorated throughout the nation, and then Occupy Wall Street sprang up in Zuccotti Park in New York to protest greed, economic inequality, and undue influence of the “one percenters.” The protest movement spread to small and large cities throughout the nation and overseas. Apple Computer founder Steve Jobs died in October. Kim Jong-Il, supreme leader of North Korea, died in December, leaving control of the country to his 28-year old son. The war in Iraq ended in December with some heavy costs, including about 4,500 deaths and over 30,000 wounded in the U.S. military and a financial cost of around a trillion dollars. The Afghanistan War continues on as the longest-running American war, with no end in sight. Some of the other notable deaths during the year included Amy Winehouse, Andy Rooney, Jack Kevorkian, Jack LaLanne, and Elizabeth Taylor.

The U.S. automotive industry continued its healthy recovery. Lexus lost its luxury sales crown to either Mercedes-Benz or BMW, yet to be revealed. Honda and Toyota were hobbled by the earthquake in Japan. Hyundai and Kia continued to see their trajectories rise. Volkswagen had a sales resurgence with the budget-priced Jetta and Passat. Saab declared bankruptcy after GM blocked the sale of the company with its intellectual property to a Chinese company. The end of Maybach was announced. The last body-on-frame passenger vehicle available in the U.S., the Ford Crown Victoria, was finally put down.

And now, time for the Tenth Annual Edition of Cheers and Jeers:

Cheers to Chrysler for Best Turnaround by taking the much maligned Sebring, sprucing it up, having Eminem shill it during the Super Bowl, and seeing sales double this year. The majority of the rest of the Chrysler Group fleet also was refined with new interiors and better engines, and the LX sedans, the Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger, are shining stars. Unfortunately for them, the Fiat 500 has been a sales dud, and Jennifer Lopez has been no help.

Jeers to Chrysler for Worst Branding Decision by slowly dismantling the Dodge brand, first by having the Ram trucks become its own brand, and recently announcing that the forthcoming Viper would be sold under the SRT brand and not Dodge, and the Grand Caravan would soon be leaving the U.S. market, though not Canada’s. How soon will it be before Dodge goes away completely?

Cheers to Ford for the Best Marketing by convincing truck buyers to spend more money to buy the ecoBoost F-150. An amazing 40% of F-150 buyers are driving off with the turbo V6 engine, which costs almost $1,000 more than the V8.

Jeers to Ford for the Worst Marketing, one of their “Drive One” commercials that quotes a Ford owner stating that he would not buy a car from a company that was bailed out by the government. Ford quickly pulled the ad, leading to California Congressman and douchebag extraordinaire Darrell Issa to question Ford if the Obama administration pressured them to pull the ad. 66Stang (aka A Horse With No Name) changed his screen name over his disgust with Ford. http://www.cheersand...ull-bailout-ad/

Cheers to GM for providing high-quality small cars. The Cruze showed that American consumers are willing to pay a premium for a well-built small car with an upmarket interior and good driving dynamics. Chevy followed that up with the snazzy little Sonic, missing brake pads notwithstanding, and the Buick Verano is a compelling premium compact.

Jeers to Honda for not having a clue why the Accord Crosstour has not caught on. The Ridgeline never caught on either, and the new Civic lost its “Recommended” rating by Consumer Reports. The Acura division is plagued by ugly vehicles. At one time, Honda kept it simple and made jewel-like, fun-to-drive vehicles. Honda announced a crash Civic refresh, new engines, and full hybrid drivetrains, so perhaps there is hope yet for them. http://www.cheersand...our-successful/

Cheers to mudmonster, the C&G Staff Member of Merit, for his dedicated writing and posting of news articles.

Cheers to wildmanjoe for his Best New Forum Feature with his “Cheers or Jeers” posts showing interesting or obscure eBay automotive finds.

Cheers to Camino LS6 for Best Thread on the search for the culprit of the poorly running Tahoe. After dozens of suggestions and diagnoses, it was determined to be a bad distributor. http://www.cheersand...ust-a-bad-wire/

Cheers to ocnblu being the Best Automotive Consumer. He did more than his fair share supporting the domestic automotive industry by starting the year out with a Chevy Colorado—his second—and trading it in for a Ford Fiesta, wrecking it, getting a Chevy Cruze, and then trading it in for a Jeep Patriot. "Automotive ADD," as pow calls it.

Cheers to Dodgefan for Best Concept for a bold new compact from Dodge, the Venom, which was also the winner of a C&G design competition. Dodge has the new Dart on the way, but it will be tough to one up the Venom.

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Honorable Mention to blackviper for his aggressive take on a new full-size K5 Blazer.

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Cheers to Chris Doane and knightfan26917 for their heartfelt and inspiring personal stories, with Chris following his dreams and venturing on his own in the car photography business and pursuing his helicoptering passions, and knightfan26917 for getting his heart fixed. Cheers also to black-knight for shocking the board and getting a decent car, the Dodge Challenger, after a series of heaps but, alas, is on the verge of letting it slip away.

More Cheers to C&G members for their constructive contributions to the board, including to dwightlooi for continuing to share his technical expertise and to curmudgeonly balthazar for keeping that window to the past open. And Charger4U’s Word Association passed 25,000 posts and hasn’t crashed the board yet.

Hope everybody has a Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year!

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#675175 The Bitch, Moan and Whine thread...

Posted by FAPTurbo on 07 October 2011 - 02:55 PM

I think I'm ready to give up on cars and just get a Camry.

I'm still digging myself out of a $20-something grand hole over here (scrambling to sell the Challenger) and I'll be unemployed on the 18th. Fun, fun, fun.

Answer to both your ills.

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#775610 LA Auto Show: 2017 Lincoln MKZ: Comments

Posted by ocnblu on 18 November 2015 - 09:27 PM

I've asked this question before... it is as if Ford is dearly missing all of the British luxury brands they used to own.  Explorer looks like a Range Rover.  Every Ford car looks like an Aston-Martin... and now they're making Lincolns look like Jaguars.  Creepy.

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#656857 Zoom?

Posted by Satty on 26 March 2011 - 08:42 PM

You can't keep a 3800 running, I doubt you'll get much use out of a rotary.
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#652421 Interactive Review: 2011 Chevrolet Volt

Posted by Drew Dowdell on 20 February 2011 - 11:10 AM

Big question is, if you aren't a Sierra Club activist, would you buy a Volt over any other $35,000 car? The environmentalists will buy it (and the Leaf), but will regular people?

I'm not a Sierra Club activist and I would totally buy this over a CTS because a CTS, while nice and handles great, doesn't suit my day to day needs like a Volt does. The Volt is comfortable for long distance drives, it's very very very very quiet. It has a nice interior. Handles plenty good enough, has a highly useful cargo area that only the CTS Wagon could compete with, and for 95% of my driving and commuting, I wouldn't use very much if any gas at all.

One doesn't need to be a Sierra Club activist to see the $4.25 a gallon writing on the wall.

Step one is being realistic about what you use your car for on a day to day basis. No one commutes to work via the Nurburgring. There isn't a single place here in Pittsburgh where you can use the capabilities of...say a 330i... to even 50% of it's maxiumum for more than a second.

Step two is not being a brand snob.
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#642019 The post rating system

Posted by Satty on 09 December 2010 - 07:16 AM

I don't like it. It's a way for immature cowards to hit and run with no consequence. This is a DISCUSSION forum.

No it isn't. Have you not been paying attention the last couple of years? It's a haven for people to bitch and moan about how not every car is a hardtop, or that every car isn't a coupe, or that every car isn't a Hyundai Sonata Turbo, or that Greenpeace is coming out at night and taking away trucks or some other such nonsense. That's not discussion, its whining.
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#779950 Cheers and Jeers for 2015

Posted by bobo on 01 January 2016 - 04:29 PM

At the beginning of the year, in the sports world, the New England Patriots were deemed cheaters with quarterback Tom Brady allegedly throwing underinflated balls in a playoff game against the Indianapolis Colts.  Two weeks later the Super Bowl closed with perhaps the worst call in the history of the game by the losing Seahawks.  In June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that denying same-sex marriage was unconstitutional.  Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk, was made a hero by some marriage traditionalists by refusing to do her job in issuing same-sex marriages licenses and was sent to jail for it.  Lots of people got sick eating at Chipotle from an E.coli outbreak in July.  In September, it was Pope-apalooza as Pope Francis, whom the right wing cannot stand, visited Philadelphia.  Also in September, NASA declared that water once flowed on Mars.  Donald Trump emerged as the Republican frontrunner in presidential politics as a hapless Jeb Bush and other establishment candidates failed to gain traction.  The more Trump appealed to the lowest common denominator, the higher his ratings went.  In November, there were terror attacks by ISIS in France, followed by an attack by a radicalized murderous couple in San Bernardino, California, which shook the feeling of security on our own soil.  The year ended with a new Star Wars movie and Bill Cosby booked into jail on charges of sexual assault.


A few other notable people and things from 2015, provided with a minimum of comment:  Cecile the Lion, Caitlyn Jenner, Ashley Madison hacking, pharma douche Martin Shkreli, Back to the Future II predictions, spontaneously combustible hoverboards, and man buns.


Prominent passings included blues musician B.B. King, baseball player Yogi Berra, actor Leonard Nimoy, and on the last day of the year, singer Natalie Cole.


Some of the favorite topics on the C&G boards were the Camaro and Mustang rivalry, Cadillac’s declining sales numbers, and the wisdom of going to fully aluminum bodies for Ford pick-ups. Self-driving cars were mocked and extolled, Electric cars were mocked and extolled.  There was a large influx of new members from the Motor Trend boards, and they breathed new life into the forums.  The board platform was mostly stable this year, with just some obligatory server issues in September.


And now, here’s the 14th Annual Edition of Cheers and Jeers for the best and worst of C&G and the automotive industry from the past year:


Jeers to Volkswagen for the Worst Corporate Malfeasance for their “Clean Diesel” debacle.  While nobody was killed by VW’s surreptitiously polluting diesels, as compared to unrecalled vehicles with known defects, Dieselgate showed the casual contempt the company has for its customers.  It will be a long time before they will be able to redeem themselves.  http://www.cheersandgears.com/topic/85606-vw-news-epa-alleges-volkswagen-used-software-on-diesel-vehicles-to-skirt-clean-air-rules


Cheers to Tesla for the Most Awesomest Performance Sedan in their Model S P90D with Ludicrous Mode.  While Elon Musk has his detractors, and some resent the amount of government funding that Tesla has taken advantage of, there’s little denying that their vehicles are technological tour-de-forces or that their performance can rival supercars, with Motor Trend reporting a 0 to 60 mph time of 2.6 seconds and a quarter mile in 10.9 seconds for the Model S in Ludicrous Mode.  There was a lot of news out of Tesla this year, with the introduction of their new Model X crossover with falcon wing doors, attempt to break into the Michigan market with company-owned stores, breaking the Consumer Reports rating scale with a theoretical score of 103, and being dropped as a recommended buy by CR due to reliability concerns, though 97% of the owners would definitely rebuy the vehicle.  http://www.cheersandgears.com/topic/85352-tesla-announces-updates-to-the-model-s-including-ludicrous-acceleration-mode


Cheers to the Best Post by hyperv6 in bringing some measured thought into the discussion of the rising cost of the 2016 Camaro.  An excerpt:  “To be honest we pay a lot but we are getting cars today that can not compare to anything in the past content and quality wise. The Camaro here in question could take to a track and in street form out run many race cars from the pony era. Lets face it too that V6 here would out run most model Camaros from the 60's also out stopping and turning too.”  http://www.cheersandgears.com/topic/85511-trim-levels-pricing-configurator-for-16-camaro-revealed/?p=768496


Honorable Mention to Drew Dowdell in describing the underwhelming FWD Mercedes-Benz compacts:  “the name I coined for the CLA and GLA are Mercedes-Pretendz”



Cheers to Lincoln for the Best Naming Move in giving their upcoming sedan a real name, the storied Continental, instead of a jumbled mix of letters and numbers.  Alas, the Mk plus random letter nomenclature appears to be sticking around for the other vehicles besides the iconic Navigator.  How is MkX better than Aviator?  In other naming news, Cadillac dumps the name of its best-selling SRX for XT5, and Mercedes rechristened ML and GLK to GLE and GLC, the latter of which was last used by Mazda 30 years ago on the “Great Little Car” econobox in the lineage of the Mazda3.



Jeers to Lexus for the Worst Styling.  Lexus has taken their “L-finesse” to ghastly new extremes in their latest creased and folded vehicles, with the almost universally hated spindle grille becoming even more prominent.  Moltar calls the look “angry robot” in describing the new RX350.  http://www.cheersandgears.com/topic/84640-new-york-auto-show-2016-lexus-rx-comments


Dishonorable Mention to the contorted new Toyota Prius.



Cheers to GM for their continued weight loss in their new vehicles for better performance, handling, and economy.  For instance for Chevy, the new Camaro, Cruz, Volt, and Malibu have each lost between 200 and 300 pounds despite being vastly improved.


Cheers to Chevrolet for having the Best Mid-Size Pickup, in the Colorado.  The updated Toyota Tacoma was not able to meet the standard set by the Colorado  The new Duramax diesel makes that Colorado that much more compelling, and the sales numbers show the strength of having competitive product.


Jeers to Acura for being the Most Irrelevant Brand.  Their only vehicle worth considering is the MDX, and the new lackluster TLX was a lost opportunity.  The forthcoming $155,000 NSX weighing 3,800 pounds probably won’t do much for them.


Finally, Cheers to all the staff and members of C&G.  The strength of C&G is the quality of the members, and the new members have certainly been high quality.  Suaviloquent, oldshurst442, and others, including even Wings4Life, have added tremendously to the site.  Cheers to William Maley for his road test reviews, which are really coming on their own.  Cheers to all!


Hope everybody has a safe and healthy Happy New Year!


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#735989 Biggest one day stock drop due to auto Fire in Seattle Suburb

Posted by Lord_Tourettes on 02 October 2013 - 10:56 PM

Leaving one to wonder just how easy is it for these electric auto's to catch on fire and possibly kill someone.


That's cute. Because vehicles carrying a payload of highly flammable fluids never catch fire.


Those last two links are especially incredible when you consider that they are related to electrical problems. In a GASOLINE powered vehicle you say? Clearly this is witchcraft and we should go back to horse drawn carriages.

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#719143 One Night Stands! :P

Posted by FAPTurbo on 20 December 2012 - 04:02 PM

I guess if I had to pick one night stand, it'd be this one:

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It's walnut AND on sale on Amazon!
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#706976 Industry News: Fisker: Can Someone Loan Us $150 Million?

Posted by Drew Dowdell on 17 August 2012 - 08:18 AM

I'm disappointed that any of the long timers here would wish a domestic car company, especially one with attractive and interesting designs, close up shop REGARDLESS of how they are powered.

Don't like the power train? Don't buy one... but don't wish them dead and then complain that GM only sells FWD, 4-cylinder, 4-door jellybeans.
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#672848 Buick Regal Wagon Is Not Happening

Posted by Camino LS6 on 09 September 2011 - 04:59 PM

CUVs are all awful, just terrible-looking things - all of them. And, I think this wagon would have sold pretty well. But that isn't why I called this decision a mistake.

It's a mistake because the car is in production and all of the parts to make it happen here are in production. Anytime an opportunity like that exists, the bodystyle should be offered - even if on a limited basis. GM has been toying with the idea of creating families of cars (multiple bodystyles) on a single named model, and that's a great strategy. Every opportunity to re-introduce this concept should be taken to get folks used to it again. This approach is what made GM so successful in the past, and it will work again - if they commit to it.

So, boo to this decision.
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#667399 Rage... is it ever justifiable?

Posted by balthazar on 05 July 2011 - 11:50 AM

>>"Damaging another persons vehicle during the operation of yours is a property-damage accident."<<

^ Not sure how tandem/tri-axle dumps can get away with signage 'not responsible for debris from road' were this to be unilateral.

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What's quite amusing in this thread is how the person advising one make a discreet right turn and avoid confrontation were he in the same scenario, reacts to the relating of a story with belittlement & shouted obscenities. A bit oxymoronic... :smilewide:
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#659969 Hyundai Accent Joins The 40 MPG Club

Posted by daves87rs on 22 April 2011 - 11:49 PM

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Now, doing the math, when I add it all up... and knowing that every other car in the class is gunning for the Fiesta, I think maybe you should have stayed in school.


Now, that was below the belt.

If you have to get crude, please get the f@#k out of the thread. Thanks.

Now, back on topic- I have to say that this has the be the cleanest version of the "sonata" style that I have seen. It does offer much more than the current car.

Let's just see if they do the price bump that they have done with the last two cars. Interestingly though, I think they could get it too....
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#626941 Un F-ing Believable

Posted by Camino LS6 on 06 October 2010 - 07:36 AM

Sometimes you just have to do what's right and sort the rest out later.
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#566539 stop the bs

Posted by Drew Dowdell on 02 January 2010 - 10:40 AM

Toyota has been getting "government bailouts" from Tokyo for decades in the form of government healthcare and a manipulated, artificially low Yen.

Toyota had more recalled vehicles than any other manufacturer this year.

Ford and Buick are doing great in reliability surveys.

so... yeah.
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#609418 Fun Facts to Know and Tell

Posted by Drew Dowdell on 19 July 2010 - 09:36 AM

More fun facts.

Large water fowl have a very low reproduction rate, such that 2,188 deaths can completely decimate a regional population. Most only produce one chick every year to every 2 years. It will take multiple decades for those bird populations to recover.

Most (but admittedly not all) windfarm bird casualties are from the smaller song bird and medium scavenger varieties. These birds have as many as 6 chicks per clutch and some even have two clutches a year. Additionally, they have a much wider habitat range than water fowl. They can recover from a drastic population reduction in as little as a year.

Yes you'll find some article out there about an eagle chopped up in wind turbine blades, but the Eagle population is growing despite the wind turbines. The water fowl population on the gulf coast will likely be devastated for 20-30 years.

Stop trying to defend this disaster.
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#690389 Aucun secteur de l'Automobile

Posted by fullmoon97 on 20 February 2012 - 08:07 AM

i am truly sorry that you lost a car that you really enjoyed and was actually a good car. but at the same time i find it hard to be sympathetic. you and me are the same age. ive been driving since i was 16 owned a car since i was 18 from 16 to 21(in 2 months) i have owned 1 car. from what i understand you have owned 7 or 8 cars? this sounds like poor choices were made along the way. ones that could have been fixed. i went into college right out of high school and tried to ensure my future before spending big on big deal cars. you and me cant be picky about the car we get. listen to Pervez try and find some classes try to set a future for yourself before you spend money you don't have. the amazing thing about classes is after you finish a couple you can start doing an internship, and internships are the doorways into jobs, jobs = money, and money = nice things. just trying to help.
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