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Posted 23 October 2005 - 12:45 PM

Saving the X (Auto) Industry: “The X industry is sick. The X industry is dying. It must be saved. It can be saved only by a tariff, by higher prices, or by subsidy. If it is allowed to die, workers will be thrown on the streets. Their landlords, grocers, butchers, clothing stores, and local motion pictures will lose business, and depression will spread in ever-widening circles. But if the X industry, by prompt action of Congress is saved – ah then!” – Henry Hazlitt (or, as his friends liked to call him "H.H.") :)
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Posted 23 October 2005 - 04:43 PM

Jeeze boys give me a break. Its like your talking to each other about me and a what am I supposed to say? Kinda like one of those clicky things. Well, Im never one to take anything lyin down and am always up for a challange so deal with my edgyness.

I said sciguy has alot to learn, which he does, which all younger dudes do or did. Much like I have much more to learn in the next 20 years, get over it. What I said to sciguy, I said to him not anyone else, and I was not wrong. We all including OC just mentioned the already existing socialized benefits within this country that we do have to contribute to. Most of them have always been in effect in this country, however they have been severely abused in more recent times.

It was perhaps rough saying green and wet behind the ears but I was getting wore down by the insistance that things are any different than what they are. It took me along time to get wore down by all this insistance too so give me a break. Im too am tired of all the firing out "socialist" "communist" "protectionalist", if someone fires, Im fireing back in grand 'ol American fashion.

For cryin out loud do you guys have children ? If you do and dont care about this countrys position in the world or are willing to concede to a bunch of corporate propaganda which only benefits a few in this country well, I believe you are sick.

If you believe I am grasping at straws, so be it. I am not grasping at straws. I actually live down here in the pits, work hard am uninsured and am a non union member of the working poor. I have performed in work areas that I enjoy and few can handle and was gaining ground until some industries went global. Which actually meant they went Anti USA and their money was no longer accessible by myself and many others no matter how hard one worked. I have watched the balance of the scale become increasingly heavy on one side while ignoring the other. No its not all bad but you can damn well be sure I'll be pushing for a better world for all of us - that deserve it, that is. Many I believe are golden and dont need more but they are takin more out of "our" hides. Its doesnt seem like anything hard to explain to me nor does it feel like Im grasping at straws.

I do read everyones post and usually absorb what they are saying but I refuse to see the world down the global one way street. Global does not benefit me or "my kind". Therefore alittle protectionalism or social conscience would better benefit myself and millions like me, and I believe many that are yet to be born. Perhaps if you dont think so than maybe your calling the Japanese stupid ? Now we all know better than that. Perhaps we should start following by their lead ?

Carry on :unsure:

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Posted 23 October 2005 - 08:45 PM

Saving the X (Auto) Industry:
“The X industry is sick. The X industry is dying. It must be saved. It can be saved only by a tariff, by higher prices, or by subsidy. If it is allowed to die, workers will be thrown on the streets. Their landlords, grocers, butchers, clothing stores, and local motion pictures will lose business, and depression will spread in ever-widening circles.  But if the X industry, by prompt action of Congress is saved – ah then!” – Henry Hazlitt (or, as his friends liked to call him "H.H.") :)

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if'n X industry means GM yep your right it's sick.... sick by it's own doing it's die'n or at least here in our land it is, over elsewhere I think they be thrivin' but thats on other book I think. The meds GM is giving itself to stop the symptom is going to kill it's whole body but what ya think those college boys sure know mor than I do. I'd think if we just rolled up and played it as dum as mexico, china, jaapan koorea or any of those other forign named coutries we would come out of this mess stil a tick'n tic/toc tic/toc course our democrcy probably take a sizeable hit ooooppps it's not a democrcy now is it.. I had teach once told me that said it was somethin' else, da*ned if'n I remember somethin to do with it all be a sham because we don't elect with our vote or somethin like that. them politicians run the country for the rich and keeps us blinded with all the mumble jumbo, hocus pocus suff and the trinkets from our capitalist friends... oh well enough ramblin' I sure wish we could focus on the reel problems facin us and quit shootin at people we don't even know.
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Posted 24 October 2005 - 08:06 AM

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Posted 24 October 2005 - 08:13 AM

if'n X industry means GM  yep your right it's sick.... sick by it's own doing it's die'n or at least here in our land it is, over elsewhere I think they be thrivin' but thats on other book I think.  The meds GM is giving itself to stop the symptom is going to kill it's whole body but what ya think those college boys sure know mor than I do.  I'd think if we just rolled up and played it as dum as mexico, china, jaapan koorea or any of those other forign named coutries we would come out of this mess stil a tick'n  tic/toc tic/toc  course our democrcy probably take a sizeable hit  ooooppps it's not a democrcy now is it.. I had teach once told me that said it was somethin' else, da*ned if'n I remember somethin to do with it all be a sham because we don't elect with our vote or somethin like that.  them politicians run the country for the rich and keeps us blinded with all the mumble jumbo, hocus pocus suff and the trinkets from our capitalist friends...  oh well enough ramblin'  I sure wish we could focus on the reel problems facin us and quit shootin at people we don't even know.

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Posted 24 October 2005 - 08:15 AM

HUH

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What? You've never been to Koorea or Jaapan?
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Posted 24 October 2005 - 08:18 AM

What? You've never been to Koorea or Jaapan?

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I am still trying to locate them on a map. Even mapquest.com seems to be confused. I have also tried bablefish to translate the post. That site is baffled as well.
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Posted 24 October 2005 - 08:33 AM

I am still trying to locate them on a map.  Even mapquest.com seems to be confused. 

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I realise that this isn't the point of this thread of posts(what is the point?) but I have gotten several bad results from mapquest lately and much prefer google maps.
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Posted 24 October 2005 - 12:27 PM

razor, yur rite these boys sur hav a prblm readin and writin' they can't even reply with a full thalt. "..." "huh" tic/toc tic/toc
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Posted 24 October 2005 - 01:29 PM

razor, yur rite these boys sur hav a prblm readin and writin'

they can't even reply with a full thalt.

"..."
"huh"
tic/toc tic/toc

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Yes, I guess we all forgot to take the foreign language of Jibberish in school. I see your the master of it though.
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Posted 24 October 2005 - 03:42 PM

Yes, I guess we all forgot to take the foreign language of Jibberish in school. I see your the master of it though.

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Ain't it jibberish the stuff you all feedin people too?
The UAW jibberish is workers givin up $2,000 to $3,000 a year and still not paying anything into the cost of the healthcare plan you all so complain about. It sure doesn't make since to me. If I was a UAW worker I would demand any money I paid in be set aside for my healthcare expense. $2000 to $3000 a year is alot more than most of you that are bitchin is payin, I'm sure. Instead it's $2000 or $3000 that just disappears in the mumble jumble bookkeeping of todays accountants.
UAW people DON'T just forgo your future raises, instead just agree to pay $1 an hour of your income into healthcare and let them show the deduction on your paycheck, that will shut up all these people who are bitc#in about you not contributing to you own healthcare plan. The way GM and the Union are proposing to stiff you is a crock. Also don't let them run the money through the UAW for it to disappear, just demand that GM account for it. Heck it will show up on your pay stubs every check and totals too this way.

Edited by Fiero88, 24 October 2005 - 03:42 PM.

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Posted 24 October 2005 - 05:16 PM

Yes, I guess we all forgot to take the foreign language of Jibberish in school. I see your the master of it though.

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Come on now, lets try to be tactful.

I dont have that much trouble understanding his views from his rite'n.

And I agree if someone wanted to respond, they should have responded.

I thought we were all opened minded, except for myself that is, and qeeze look at how it goes.

Come on now

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Posted 24 October 2005 - 05:22 PM

Come on now, lets try to be tactful.

I dont have that much trouble understanding his views from his rite'n.

And I agree if someone wanted to respond, they should have responded.

I thought we were all opened minded, except for myself that is, and qeeze look at how it goes.

Come on now

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But I didn't even know what his view was from his earlier post. And judging from the few posts after his, neither could anyone else.

Edited by CaddyXLR-V, 24 October 2005 - 05:22 PM.

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 08:44 AM

razor, yur rite these boys sur hav a prblm readin and writin'

they can't even reply with a full thalt.

"..."
"huh"
tic/toc tic/toc

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Fiero,

For a brief period, I'd replied to say I remember having nearly as hard a time as a sixth grader following the character Jim in Mark Twain's "Huckleberry Finn" as I did in trying to understand your post in response to Hazlitt.

Then, I surfed over to the "Tracinda pledges GM stock as collateral for loan" thread to check for any comments in repsonse to my BofA theory and found only yours. Not knowing whether it was mere further banter or a geniune effort at making an intelligible remark, I leaned towards the latter and reconsidered my previous less-than-jestful response above.

So, thinking better of it all, I then quickly deleted the post critical of your efforts at communication. Not knowing how to delete a post entirely, I replaced my comments with ellipses.

This is what you interpreted as lack of a "full thalt".

Edited by Hogans_Heroes, 25 October 2005 - 09:09 AM.

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Posted 25 October 2005 - 07:39 PM

Fiero,

For a brief period, I'd replied to say I remember having nearly as hard a time as a sixth grader following the character Jim in Mark Twain's "Huckleberry Finn" as I did in trying to understand your post in response to Hazlitt.
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"full thalt".

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Just banter...
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