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Posted 04 November 2009 - 08:28 PM

QUOTE (66Stang @ Nov 4 2009, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey, I'm a small car guy and I love the Equinox. Great looking vehicle, IMHO.

An SUV in Pittsburgh probably actually makes sense, as you have enough hills, etc...

And here in the midwest we do have some nasty winters.

Chris


Yes, I drove SUVs for 14 winters NE Ohio, SE Michigan and Colorado. I'd want an SUV for a winter daily driver anywhere that gets snow and nasty stuff...I like the ground clearance and traction.

Rob

Edited by Cubical-aka-Moltar, 04 November 2009 - 08:34 PM.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 08:31 PM

QUOTE (66Stang @ Nov 4 2009, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey, I'm a small car guy and I love the Equinox. Great looking vehicle, IMHO.

An SUV in Pittsburg probably actually makes sense, as you have enough hills, etc...

And here in the midwest we do have some nasty winters.

Chris

I tend to think the opposite about an SUV in Pittsburgh. Because we have so many hills and windy roads, I think a car is better. The engine has to work more to lug an SUV up a hill, and they body roll more in turns. But SUVs are terribly over rated in my opinion, cars are faster, handle better, ride better, brake better, steer better.

Even here we have bad snow maybe 5 times a year, and the other 360 days you don't need awd. And if you think you actually need awd, then there must be 50 cars that offer it

Edited by smk4565, 04 November 2009 - 08:36 PM.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 09:25 PM

QUOTE (66Stang @ Nov 4 2009, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey, I'm a small car guy and I love the Equinox. Great looking vehicle, IMHO.

An SUV in Pittsburg probably actually makes sense, as you have enough hills, etc...

And here in the midwest we do have some nasty winters.

Chris


My driveway is extremely steep. AWD is rather important. With the CTS, I had to run the snowblower if I wanted to go anywhere.... but at least with the CTS, it was worth it.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 09:29 PM

QUOTE (smk4565 @ Nov 4 2009, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I tend to think the opposite about an SUV in Pittsburgh. Because we have so many hills and windy roads, I think a car is better. The engine has to work more to lug an SUV up a hill, and they body roll more in turns. But SUVs are terribly over rated in my opinion, cars are faster, handle better, ride better, brake better, steer better.

Even here we have bad snow maybe 5 times a year, and the other 360 days you don't need awd. And if you think you actually need awd, then there must be 50 cars that offer it


I agree with you about not needing an SUV, but AWD is a major advantage for us because we live perched up on top of a steep hill. I'd like to see him get an AWD sedan or coupe, but he likes what he likes. It's his vehicle, so if he wants a cute-ute, that's what we'll get him.

He likes the look of the Equinox, but just saw his first Terrain tonight. He thought it looks very expensive, like Cadillac money, and was surprised when I told him it was only marginally more than the 'Nox..... so we may have a bit of shopping to do now.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 09:37 PM

QUOTE (Oldsmoboi @ Nov 4 2009, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with you about not needing an SUV, but AWD is a major advantage for us because we live perched up on top of a steep hill. I'd like to see him get an AWD sedan or coupe, but he likes what he likes. It's his vehicle, so if he wants a cute-ute, that's what we'll get him.

He likes the look of the Equinox, but just saw his first Terrain tonight. He thought it looks very expensive, like Cadillac money, and was surprised when I told him it was only marginally more than the 'Nox..... so we may have a bit of shopping to do now.

Well Terrain or Equinox, no matter what you get we want photos! smilewide.gif Thanks for sticking up for the Equinox/Torrent, I happen to like mine with the MCE it was alot nicer interior. Also the exhaust note isn't too bad either.

Also are you going to do the 3.0L DI V6 or 2.4L DI I4?

Edited by gm4life, 04 November 2009 - 09:39 PM.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 09:43 PM

QUOTE (gm4life @ Nov 4 2009, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well Terrain or Equinox, no matter what you get we want photos! smilewide.gif Thanks for sticking up for the Equinox/Torrent, I happen to like mine with the MCE it was alot nicer interior. Also the exhaust note isn't too bad either.

Also are you going to do the 3.0L DI V6 or 2.4L DI I4?


Haven't driven either to make a decision, but probably lean towards the I4. The way we use the CRV we don't really need more than that. I much rather spend the money on amenities.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 10:00 PM

QUOTE (Oldsmoboi @ Nov 4 2009, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with you about not needing an SUV, but AWD is a major advantage for us because we live perched up on top of a steep hill. I'd like to see him get an AWD sedan or coupe, but he likes what he likes. It's his vehicle, so if he wants a cute-ute, that's what we'll get him.

He likes the look of the Equinox, but just saw his first Terrain tonight. He thought it looks very expensive, like Cadillac money, and was surprised when I told him it was only marginally more than the 'Nox..... so we may have a bit of shopping to do now.

Terrain is ugly. But if you need awd, there is the Fusion, Taurus, MKZ, MKS, Milan, Impreza, Legacy/Outack, SX4, Lancer/Evo, CTS, 3-series, C-class, G37, TL, RL, 5-series, E-class, 300, Charger, A3, A4, A5, A6, TT, IS, GS, STS, 9-3, S40, V50, V70, S80, Passat, Matrix, LaCrosse, M35x, and Nissan GT-R.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 10:03 PM

QUOTE (smk4565 @ Nov 4 2009, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Terrain is ugly. But if you need awd, there is the Fusion, Taurus, MKZ, MKS, Milan, Impreza, Legacy/Outack, SX4, Lancer/Evo, CTS, 3-series, C-class, G37, TL, RL, 5-series, E-class, 300, Charger, A3, A4, A5, A6, TT, IS, GS, STS, 9-3, S40, V50, V70, S80, Passat, Matrix, LaCrosse, M35x, and Nissan GT-R.


I like the looks of both the 'Nox and Terrain, but it's not my call. I'm not going to tell him what car to get... just the ones he can pick from. (He's known me long enough to know that he'll never again own a non-GM car.... he's fine with that)

I told him he can have any vehicle we can afford that GM makes. So, barring his sudden lust for an SRX, I'm guessing the 'Nox or Terrain will be the winner....


unless I can sway him into a CTS wagon AWD.... but I doubt that'll happen.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 10:12 PM

Calling the vehicle ugly is ok, but really it shouldn't be a main reason why not to buy a car if somebody else likes the styling. Styling is subjective.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 11:17 PM

QUOTE (JamesBond @ Nov 4 2009, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Calling the vehicle ugly is ok, but really it shouldn't be a main reason why not to buy a car if somebody else likes the styling. Styling is subjective.


or me, to buy a car (aztek) in spite of its styling.

boi- the terrain is best in class right now and its a great looking machine inside and out. to anyone who thinks the old equinox was all peaches and cream, just sit in look at and drive the old eek and then proceed to the new twins.

i really cant wait to drive a simple fwd 4 popper terrain myself.

alas though, the awd you really use it fully a handful of days a year, but you ante up for it because it makes life a whole lot easier and safer on those few days. you are making the car payment anyways, its a wise investment to cover your risk of unhappiness by spending a few more bucks to get the security of the awd.

myself i'd like too see a direct injection 2.6 200 hp four in the eq/terrain.
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Posted 05 November 2009 - 09:12 AM

QUOTE (Oldsmoboi @ Nov 5 2009, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like the looks of both the 'Nox and Terrain, but it's not my call. I'm not going to tell him what car to get... just the ones he can pick from. (He's known me long enough to know that he'll never again own a non-GM car.... he's fine with that)

I told him he can have any vehicle we can afford that GM makes. So, barring his sudden lust for an SRX, I'm guessing the 'Nox or Terrain will be the winner....


unless I can sway him into a CTS wagon AWD.... but I doubt that'll happen.


Go get 'em, Tiger! My partner always owned Fiats in Brazil. Fortunately (as of yet) they do not sell them here; otherwise, I would have a helluva fight on my hands. laugh.gif

We are thinking about getting a second vehicle next year, and unless our financial fortunes change drastically, I would give him the Opta 5 and look for a very good '90/'91 LeSabre or 88 to drive. I have always loved those cars: they are bullet proof, kept in great shape by the oldsters that still drive them, have all the creature comforts and are great highway cruisers. I had the opportunity to buy 1 two years ago that only had about 40,000 miles on it, but never jumped at the chance. (The BF hated the looks of it.) Fine, he can have the Optra, and I'll take the battlecruiser!
When I finish my courses next Spring and if I do land a management job by then, well, the new Equinox would probably be on the menu. Four cylinder, thanks. Gas has already crept up to $1
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Posted 05 November 2009 - 09:14 AM

Sorry, Req, the Terrain looks overwrought to me. GMC looks like it tried too hard to make it look 'trucky.'
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Posted 05 November 2009 - 09:16 AM

QUOTE (CARBIZ @ Nov 5 2009, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry, Req, the Terrain looks overwrought to me. GMC looks like it tried too hard to make it look 'trucky.'


It looks like it's a FWD CUV trying to pose as a RWD SUV or truck.
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Posted 05 November 2009 - 12:01 PM

QUOTE (regfootball @ Nov 5 2009, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
or me, to buy a car (aztek) in spite of its styling.

boi- the terrain is best in class right now and its a great looking machine inside and out. to anyone who thinks the old equinox was all peaches and cream, just sit in look at and drive the old eek and then proceed to the new twins.

i really cant wait to drive a simple fwd 4 popper terrain myself.

alas though, the awd you really use it fully a handful of days a year, but you ante up for it because it makes life a whole lot easier and safer on those few days. you are making the car payment anyways, its a wise investment to cover your risk of unhappiness by spending a few more bucks to get the security of the awd.

myself i'd like too see a direct injection 2.6 200 hp four in the eq/terrain.


Well, I wouldn't go as far as saying the old one was all peaches and cream, I'm just saying that the powertrain was plenty good and in many ways superior to the Honda offering.

One of these days I'll have to post a picture of my driveway so you guys can understand why AWD is such an important feature for me.
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Posted 05 November 2009 - 12:27 PM

QUOTE (Oldsmoboi @ Nov 5 2009, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I wouldn't go as far as saying the old one was all peaches and cream, I'm just saying that the powertrain was plenty good and in many ways superior to the Honda offering.

One of these days I'll have to post a picture of my driveway so you guys can understand why AWD is such an important feature for me.

My rental house here has a very steep driveway, but we don't get snow so it isn't really an issue. It was still annoying that my door wouldn't stay open though.
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Posted 05 November 2009 - 02:27 PM

QUOTE (Oldsmoboi @ Nov 4 2009, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with you about not needing an SUV, but AWD is a major advantage for us because we live perched up on top of a steep hill. I'd like to see him get an AWD sedan or coupe, but he likes what he likes. It's his vehicle, so if he wants a cute-ute, that's what we'll get him.

He likes the look of the Equinox, but just saw his first Terrain tonight. He thought it looks very expensive, like Cadillac money, and was surprised when I told him it was only marginally more than the 'Nox..... so we may have a bit of shopping to do now.


Two words---Buick Enclave.

Like I said, I am a small car/sports car kind of guy and I usually hate crossovers.

But the Enclave is a crossover that would make me crossover.

Chris
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Posted 05 November 2009 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE (smk4565 @ Nov 5 2009, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Terrain is ugly. But if you need awd, there is the Fusion, Taurus, MKZ, MKS, Milan, Impreza, Legacy/Outack, SX4, Lancer/Evo, CTS, 3-series, C-class, G37, TL, RL, 5-series, E-class, 300, Charger, A3, A4, A5, A6, TT, IS, GS, STS, 9-3, S40, V50, V70, S80, Passat, Matrix, LaCrosse, M35x, and Nissan GT-R.


I can really see Albert and Drew driving the GT-R to the Pittsburg Symphony right now.

Glad you made such a rational suggestion.

THANKS, smk. GREAT post.

Chris
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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:27 PM

QUOTE (66Stang @ Nov 5 2009, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Two words---Buick Enclave.

Like I said, I am a small car/sports car kind of guy and I usually hate crossovers.

But the Enclave is a crossover that would make me crossover.

Chris


If it were up to me, I would certainly go with an Enclave, but I'm certain it's too big for Albert. For the same money, we'd go SRX first.
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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:36 PM

QUOTE (66Stang @ Nov 5 2009, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can really see Albert and Drew driving the GT-R to the Pittsburgh Symphony right now.

Glad you made such a rational suggestion.

THANKS, smk. GREAT post.

Chris


Well, we're not quite as glamorous as you think.... but yeah very few of those cars appeal to me. You can completely wipe the Asians off the list. Of the Germans, only large ones really appeal to me, so I'd have to buy CPO anyway 7-Series, A8, S-class in that order.

The strongest non-GM suggestion for me in SMK's list would be the Mercury Milan.
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