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Posted 09 February 2006 - 10:39 AM

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Posted 09 February 2006 - 06:01 PM

UNBELIEVEABLE... This car is still available with "standard cloth seats" and optionial leather.
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Posted 09 February 2006 - 06:14 PM

UNBELIEVEABLE...  This car is still available with "standard cloth seats" and optionial leather.

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See previous posts about the issue.
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Posted 09 February 2006 - 07:41 PM

Well, at least it looks less like a glorified Camry than the last generation. I've driven the previous generation, and I was never sure why anyone would pay the extra $5,000 and not just stick with the loaded Camry!
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 02:17 AM

Yet you haven't even driven this yet you automatically assume it's better?

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quality is obvious, I stand next to a CTS and notice the paint sucks, and the weatherstripping is cheap.

the market responds w/no enthusiasm.

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most people have no desire to spend $35k+ for 10yr old engines, and 4spd trannies.
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 02:23 AM

I'm just going to read the above post again anytime I need a good laugh. And if you're referring to the Lucerne with your last statement, yeah, the Northstar is such a piece of $h!.
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 02:23 AM

quality is obvious, I stand next to a CTS and notice the paint sucks, and the weatherstripping is cheap.

the market responds w/no enthusiasm.

most people have no desire to spend $35k+ for 10yr old engines, and 4spd trannies.

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FYI, the CTS has a 5spd auto and the engine is only a few years old. Get your facts straight.

BTW, weather stripping? That has got to be a new low. As long as it keeps water out (hence 'weather'), there's no problem. That is just an excuse to complain... and a mightly laughable one at that. :rolleyes:

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Posted 11 February 2006 - 02:37 AM

FYI, the CTS has a 5spd auto and the engine is only a few years old. Get your facts straight.

BTW, weather stripping? That has got to be a new low. As long as it keeps water out (hence 'weather'), there's no problem. That is just an excuse to complain... and a mightly laughable one at that. :rolleyes:

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FYI, I'm refering to the Lucerne its competitor. And yeah there is a problem, in a few yrs that weatherstripping turns gray/white and really looks like ass, not to mention its trashy new.

A new low? If I sat in the vehicle I'd mention the fake leather, and garbage plastics. I won't bother since if I want cheap materials, I'll save money and buy an econo-box.

An excuse is blaming the media/society, when an deficient vehicle w/superior competition is on the street.
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 02:47 AM

FYI, I'm refering to the Lucerne its competitor.  And yeah there is a problem, in a few yrs that weatherstripping turns gray/white and really looks like ass, not to mention its trashy new.

A new low?  If I sat in the vehicle I'd mention the fake leather, and garbage plastics.  I won't bother since if I want cheap materials, I'll save money and buy an econo-box.

An excuse is blaming the media/society, when an deficient vehicle w/superior competition is on the street.

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Well... Did you specify? Didn't think so. The only car mentioned in your post was the CTS.

The weather stripping on my POS 95 Grand Am is fine. It's not gray nor white and it keeps water out. Did I mention that this car is a POS? As in its crappy and extremely cheap?

Again, a laughable excuse to complain...
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 02:52 AM

I'm just going to read the above post again anytime I need a good laugh.

And if you're referring to the Lucerne with your last statement, yeah, the Northstar is such a piece of $h!.

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I don't recall calling any engine a POS, if a newer/superior motor is available people buy it.

in today's market the Northstar is no longer special.
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 08:47 AM

Some people appreciate proven technology and don't jump on technology just for technology's sake. GM's 4 spd still shifts smoother and more reliably than anything from Toyota. I have driven Camrys and IMpalas back to back and the diffrence is obvious. The NorthStar may be 12 years old, but it obviously has been updated since then and has been proven. The oil life monitor system, limp home modes, etc. were all pionoeered by GM. Toyota and the rest of the vultures have just caught up. If you want all things new, then go ahead. But if you want reliable and a decent value, then stick with the Camry.
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 11:46 AM

most people have no desire to spend $35k+ for 10yr old engines, and 4spd trannies.


Normal people don't want to spend 35+K on a car that shares the same engine/transmission as a 25K Camry.
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 12:01 PM

I don't recall calling any engine a POS, if a newer/superior motor is available people buy it.

in today's market the Northstar is no longer special.

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Don't worry, not worth arguing, some people live in a different world on this board.

This is a mostly a GM fan site, so this kind of mentality is normal from some posters on this board.
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 12:04 PM

So the 3.5L V6 is suddenly special? Is it not based on the old 3.0L that has been used in the Camry forever? Until the 2006 Avalon....Toyota did not have a competitive V6.
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 12:38 PM

Forget the CTS, I think the Lucerne is a better value than this and you guys know how I feel about that FWD car.

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but do they care?

go stick your stupid head in a toilet
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 01:03 PM

lance, sorry to hear about you and sheryl crow
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 02:09 PM

Normal people don't want to spend 35+K on a car that shares the same engine/transmission as a 25K Camry.

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Sort of like people who spend $42,000+ on a car that shares the same engine/transmission as a $30,000 Lucerne?
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 02:13 PM

Sort of like people who spend $42,000+ on a car that shares the same engine/transmission as a $30,000 Lucerne?

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The difference being that both are nice Luxury cars...the Camry is a dull plebian mass market sedan.
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 02:21 PM

The difference being that both are nice Luxury cars...the Camry is a dull plebian mass market sedan.

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Tahoe: $34,000
Escalade: $57,000

Trailblazer: $25,000
9-7X: $39,000
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Posted 11 February 2006 - 02:24 PM

The difference being that both are nice Luxury cars...the Camry is a dull plebian mass market sedan.

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with an excellent new tranny and engine combination that are competitive with everything else out there in the entry-level luxury class, not to mention the family sedan category.

Northstar isn't nearly as relevant, or as advanced, or as fresh as this engine, so I agree with that point. Just being a good engine doesn't mean you share the characteristics of efficiency, refinement, and tech your newest competitors do.
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