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Posted 09 January 2012 - 12:33 PM

Neither one should have much to do with the next Camaro if GM is smart.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:28 PM

Just talked with Mr. Baker, the lead behind 130r. He confirmed it is an alpha, and both concepts were designed in LA.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:19 PM

Just talked with Mr. Baker, the lead behind 130r. He confirmed it is an alpha, and both concepts were designed in LA.


If you happen to catch him again, ask him how flexible the architecture is (wheelbase, width, cowl height, dash-to-axle...).

Could be very interesting to hear his response.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 02:36 PM


Just talked with Mr. Baker, the lead behind 130r. He confirmed it is an alpha, and both concepts were designed in LA.


If you happen to catch him again, ask him how flexible the architecture is (wheelbase, width, cowl height, dash-to-axle...).

Could be very interesting to hear his response.


That's what I'm wondering....can it grow enough for Sigma/Zeta sized cars?
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:28 PM

What I would love to know is can this platform be used for AWD versions. These cars would be awesome in AWD mode. Yes I know not everyone lives in a state with mountains and snow, but I think these would sell well as a subaru competition.

Go Chevy!! :)
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:33 PM

Tell Mr. Baker thank you -
These are really, really nice looking vehicles. They are both beautiful looking, really impressed. Go Get 'Em GM!
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:41 PM

What I would love to know is can this platform be used for AWD versions. These cars would be awesome in AWD mode. Yes I know not everyone lives in a state with mountains and snow, but I think these would sell well as a subaru competition.

Go Chevy!! :)


Yes it is an AWD ready platform - look at the ATS. One of the ATS on floor was a AWD.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:56 PM

Guys, I just uploaded a bunch more pics of these two concepts into the same gallery listed in the first post.

On the Tru 140S (the matte white one) - look at that from the side. There is your business case for the Cadillac ELR right there.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 03:59 PM

I was thinking the same thing, Drew.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 04:28 PM

Chevy has to rid themselves of the ugly bar across the grill. They are overemphasizing the grill on the front... and I'm not loving the Audi taillights. Make something with more detail.

Overall, I like the shape a lot. To me, its what a futuristic car should look like. But judging from the proportions, is this really Alpha based? Unfortunately, it looks WAY too small for me to ever drive.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 04:34 PM

Can you re upload that first pic?
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 04:34 PM

I am all for the 140 and it needs to be done in some form. A Cruze Coupe 2+2 2 with a 2.0 Turbo and 1.4 turbo please. The Cadillac ELR is also a Delta so you can really see where this is going.

The 130 is not giving me any feel. I may have to see it first but it looks odd in it's shape to me. They two cars remind me of a Monza 2+2 and a Monza town car.

I suspect the 130 is on a Camaro platform as the Camaro will shrink in size and weight. I suspect from hints I have heard it will be smaller and lighter than any of us imagine. The 3300 pound ATS sedan weight is telling.

The Camaro is well on the way the the Disciples are may be calling in around Feb. I am not sure what all they are showing them but I do know they are fully being used for the Alpha car feed back. They have been asked about things for it for a little while now.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 04:37 PM

The 140S is Delta based. It shares with Cruze, Volt, Verano, and hopefully ELR.

The Code 130R (the red one) is Alpha based. It is RWD and share the same wheelbase and track as the ATS. It was designed for only inline 4 cylinders, so they didn't need to leave room up front for a V6.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 04:46 PM

As far as a 6th gen Camaro, any buzz about time lines?
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 05:41 PM

As far as a 6th gen Camaro, any buzz about time lines?


The last I heard was the target was 2015. This is why we are only getting trim packages and an interior upgrade to the present car.

We will get the ZL1 and there is still work going on for the Z28 but I am not sure if it will appear with the present car or the next. It is to compete with the 302 Boss as a track/street car. Handling will be it strong suit.

The Disciples can give any info unless they are given permission. They are excited with what they have seen but can not give details.

The Alpha is flexible in track and length as are most GM cars. It has limits but it will not be one size fits all. I expect the Camaro will be shorter than the present car and more narrow. After seeing the new CTS weight I can see a 3200 pound car being possible with the right engine.

The Alpha and the investment of Cadillac money in it will give us a better Camaro than we have ever seen. No more cars where they do it just good enough.

The key will be the styling. How do you move on from the retro look but still change the car to give it a fresh appearance. The Mustang is evolving but it still looks much the same. They have hinted the next Mustang will change more.

Retro is cool but it can get you into that PT Cruizer box that is hard to get out of.

Edited by hyperv6, 09 January 2012 - 05:42 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 05:43 PM

2015 sounds about right...I suspect Ford will time the release for the NG Mustang for MY 2015 in April 2014 for the 50th anniversary...I've read the next Mustang will be less retro as it is intended to be a global model.

Edited by Cubical-aka-Moltar, 09 January 2012 - 05:43 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 05:57 PM

Leaving Camaro aside for the moment, it wouldn't surprise me all that much if neither of these two concepts went to production.

They aren't bad - but the 130 is no Solstice coupe, and the 140 is no ELR.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:05 PM

I think the 140 is the way the ELR goes into production. It becomes the Cruze coupe with e-Assist and then there is the ELR above the Volt with the Voltec power train.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 07:08 PM

I love the 130's upright, true coupe shape. The rear 3/4 view is amazing. It does come across as Monza Town Coupe meets BMW 135, but with a hot-rod dynamism that hits me more each time I take a look at it. I would LOVE for Chevy to have a RWD coupe smaller than the Camaro... but with this being on Alpha and the next Camaro there too... where would this fit? As a Monza, Nova or Chevy II, this would be such a great little car... but only if it is without the e-Assist junk, at least optionally. This car was made for 2.0t and six speed manual motivation! Bring it, Chevrolet!

The 140 is oddly shaped and reminds me of a "Lamborghini" kit car based on a last-gen Celica. It also has its moments, style-wise, but I am much more interested in the 130 as a real production prospect smaller than Camaro. After having my memory refreshed with the Pontiac study photos, I am less impressed with the 140, as it seems it was designed years ago.

It is evident to me after hearing the verbiage used by the GM honchos that they know the Cruze is a bit too sleepy, otherwise we would have gotten a straight-on Cruze coupe (which we may still get, as there have been spy photos posted).
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 07:57 PM

I'm not a big fan of the Tru 140S, honestly. It reminds me of this:

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The Tru is less dowdy and pudgy, I'll give it that.

I can see how it fits into the big picture, though. Like Olds said, it can share some of its unique hard points with the ELR, making it that much cheaper to build. It also eliminates the need for a Cruze coupe while, at the same time, sharing a good portion of its parts with it. Two birds, one stone.

Edited by black-knight, 09 January 2012 - 08:00 PM.

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