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Industry News: Senate Passes Manditory Black Boxes In Vehicles By 2015, House Expected To Follow


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Posted 15 May 2012 - 07:31 AM

William Maley
Editor/Reporter - CheersandGears.com
May 15, 2012

Its been working its way through the halls of congress, but according to Car and Driver, the "black box" mandate for cars could be in the books. The Senate has already voted to adopt a transportation bill that has a provision mandating event data recorders to be equipped into new vehicles starting in 2015. The House of Representatives is considering a version with slightly different language.

The current state of the bills are "vague". In the Senate version, the bill states that devices must “capture and store data related to motor vehicle safety” and release this information to an “interoperable data access port.” Changes are expected if this does go into law.

Of course, when you bring up government regulations and "black boxes", the tin foil hats come out. Currently in the Senate version, there's a provision that the data contained in the little electronic box is actually owned by the owner of the vehicle. If the law wants access to the data, they will likely have to get a court order. But there is a caveat: first responders such as paramedics would also have access to the data, without a court order, if it would help them in an emergency.

Source: Car & Driver, GovTrack.us (To see the Senate version of the bill)

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 08:31 AM

This is death.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 08:47 AM

This is death.

Should be available in the first year 2015 Camino... :neenerneener:
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 09:18 AM

This calls for Revolution, Death to these Morons who want to create a Cast system and control what you can and cannot do. One more reason to hold onto older vehicles. I REFUSE to have the GOV see what I do in my vehicle. This is NOT about Safety, but about Controll.

I wish the worst to all the morons who voted to support this bill.

This will build an underground network of people who will find ways to disable or remove them from vehicles.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:24 AM

Tinfoil hat time for the conspiracy theorists.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:52 AM

finally, we'll be able to see what Limo 1 does all the time! :P
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:56 AM

Tinfoil hat time for the conspiracy theorists.


Why so?
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:11 PM


Tinfoil hat time for the conspiracy theorists.


Why so?

The paranoid, anti-government types jump on things like this and always assume the worst...
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:29 PM

Why worry? Sounds like we won't be driving our cars that much longer anyways....
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:29 PM

It is the worst.

There is zero good in this.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:45 PM



Tinfoil hat time for the conspiracy theorists.


Why so?

The paranoid, anti-government types jump on things like this and always assume the worst...


I suppose you'd be fine with a spy cam in your bathroom too, huh?
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:52 PM




Tinfoil hat time for the conspiracy theorists.


Why so?

The paranoid, anti-government types jump on things like this and always assume the worst...


I suppose you'd be fine with a spy cam in your bathroom too, huh?

No correlation there. Black boxes in cars are similar to black boxes in airplanes.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:56 PM

No they are not!

Airliners are public transportation, automobiles are private.

I can't believe that you'd actually support this travesty, Cubitar.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:58 PM

No they are not!

Airliners are public transportation, automobiles are private.

I can't believe that you'd actually support this travesty, Cubitar.


I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on this. Automobiles may be private, but they are driven on public roads for which you need a registration, license plate, driver's license, etc for. I would not consider aircraft to be public...they are privately owned (by people or corporations) but their travel is regulated.

Edited by Cubical-aka-Moltar, 15 May 2012 - 01:00 PM.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 01:04 PM

Corporations are also known as "Publically owned"

So yes, there is a difference.

I have a hard time understanding how anyone who loves the freedom that the automobile represents could avoid being deeply offended by this new regulation.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 01:25 PM

Corporations are people.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 01:43 PM

Corporations are people.


That was such an absurd ruling, but what does it have to do with the topic at hand?
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 02:30 PM

Reality is complex. I can see how event data recorders would be useful in accidents. But they could also be used for automatic ticket generation for speeding, reckless driving, etc. And some sort of event data recorder will be necessary for Google's self-driving cars. I can see how divorce lawyers, parole officers, etc would look like to get their hands on such data also.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 02:44 PM

And the 'tin hats' were murmuring when the whole red light camera thing was pitched as purely safety oriented, too.
Since then we've learned that municipalities allowed private companies to rule technicalities at the red light camera intersections irregardless of accepted safety protocols, merely to maximize revenue.

Camino- you're dead right: this is another chip off the personal freedom block. :nono:
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 02:57 PM

How is this not privacy intrusion? And right of freedom intrusion?

"I want blackbox mandatory, but not for spying purposes, I promise I will not look into your driving habits."

Signed - Government of United States

Progressive uses these blackboxes in name of 5% savings, yeah right they do not monitor. The term blackbox used in the law is so vague and open that anything can be put in this device other than accelerometers and pressure gages to understand impact physics.

Reality is simple, people make it complex to make themselves feel self-important.
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