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At the North American International Auto Show in Detroit this morning, GMC took the wraps off the 2017 GMC Acadia.

 

The new Acada is being re-positioned in GMC's lineup as more of a mid-size model. For 2017, the Acadia sheds 700 lbs, drops 7.2 inches in length, and 6.4 inches in wheelbase. While it has lost some of its bulk, it will still offer up to 7 passenger seating with 5 passenger and 6 passenger configurations available.

 

The top of the line Denali trim returns with its unique trim and wheel, and additional features like HID headlamps and a new continuous control dampening control suspension system. Joining the lineup is an All-Terrain model that adds additional modes in the All-Wheel drive system for advanced hill climbing, body colored grille, and unique interior trim. The All-Terrain model will only be available in 5-passenger configuration.

 

Powering the 2017 Acadia are the familiar 2.5 liter 4-cylinder and 3.6 liter V6. The 4-cylinder, a first for the Acadia, produces 194 hp and 190 lb-ft of torque at 4400 rpm and promises to return 28mpg highway in front-wheel drive models. For additional fuel savings in the city, the 4-cylinder features automatic Start-Stop. The 3.6 liter V6 is a newer version of the previous V6. It gains 29 horsepower and 5 lb-ft of torque over the previous version (less of a gain over previous Denali). The V6 does not have an estimated EPA fuel economy rating yet, however expect it to be slightly improved on over the old model's 17 city / 24 highway in FWD configuration. Both engines are coupled to the familiar 6-speed automatic transmission.

 

The all-wheel drive system is new and is the same active dual-clutch system that has recently been introduced on the Cadillac XT5, Buick LaCrosse, and Buick Envision. The all-wheel drive system has a 2x4 mode that disconnects power to the rear wheels for additional fuel economy. Correction: The Active Dual-Clutch system is only on the All-Terrain model. Other models get a single clutch system.

 

The 2017 GMC Acadia goes on sale this spring and will be produced in Spring Hill Tenn.

 

 

You can follow all of our 2016 Detroit Auto Show coverage here.

 



GMC Introduces All-New 2017 Acadia

  • 700-lb. lighter, more efficient crossover aimed at heart of midsize segment
  • Expanded range of available active safety features, including Front Pedestrian Braking and Surround Vision Camera
  • New powertrains include a 2.5L I-4, offering a GM-est. 28 mpg hwy, and an available est. 310-hp 3.6L V-6
  • Acadia Denali with new, exclusive Continuously Variable Ride Control
  • New Acadia All Terrain with an advanced AWD system with Active Twin Clutch
  • On sale this spring

 


DETROIT – GMC today introduced the all-new 2017 Acadia – a reimagined crossover aimed at the heart of the midsize segment, designed to offer great versatility and refinement, with more advanced safety technologies.

 

The new Acadia offers more-efficient powertrains, while continuing to offer three rows of seating on most models. The premium Acadia Denali returns, along with a new All Terrain model offering enhanced off-road capability.

 

“GMC is a strong, growing premium brand and the Acadia is a cornerstone of our success story,” said Duncan Aldred, vice president of GMC Sales and Marketing. “The all-new Acadia leverages GMC’s proven SUV experience to take on and shake up one of the largest vehicle segments, with a strong blend of design, technology and capability.”

 

The new Acadia goes on sale this spring, almost a decade after its original introduction, and coming off of its strongest sales year ever in 2015 with 96,393 deliveries.

 

“Typically, a vehicle’s sales can be illustrated on a bell curve during its lifecycle, but the Acadia’s success has defied convention with impressive sustainability,” said Aldred. “It’s a shining example of GMC’s momentum and we’re confident it will grow with the new Acadia.”

 

New size, bigger advantages
The strategic re-scoping of the 2017 Acadia offers customers a midsize crossover positioned between the compact Terrain and full-size Yukon. Depending on the model, it is available with five-, six- or seven-passenger seating, while offering greater maneuverability than the first-generation model.

 

“The new Acadia captures a greater feeling of refinement, in everything from the responsive feeling behind the wheel to the way passengers interact with its intuitive features,” said Rick Spina, executive chief engineer for compact and crossover SUVs at General Motors. “It’s a vehicle that offers the functionality Acadia is known for, while delivering big advantages and balance to customers’ everyday lives.”

 

The new Acadia is 700 pounds lighter than the current model, which pays dividends at the gas pump. A new, 2.5L engine is standard, offering an estimated 28 mpg on the highway for FWD models (EPA estimate not yet available; estimate is based on GM testing). City fuel economy offered is GM-estimated at 22 mpg (FWD) and is bolstered by GMC’s first application of Stop/Start technology, which enhances efficiency in stop-and-go driving.

 

A new, available 3.6L V-6 engine is more powerful and efficient than the current model, while offering 4,000 pounds estimated trailering capability (with the available towing package). It is GM-estimated at 310 horsepower (231 kW) and 25 mpg highway (FWD models – EPA estimate not available).

 

Both of the Acadia’s new engines feature direct injection and variable valve timing, and both are mated to six-speed automatic transmissions and an electronically controlled drive mode selector.

 

Legacy of functionality and spaciousness
The 2017 Acadia builds on a legacy of intuitive functionality, with new features such as a split-folding second-row seat that improves on the original Smart Slide feature of the current model. It offers greater flexibility, including the capability of the curbside seat sliding and tilting forward, even with a forward-facing child seat in place, while the driver-side section tips and slides forward for easier access to the third row.

 

The 50/50-split third-row seat folds flat for a completely flat load floor behind the second row and when the second row is also folded, there’s 79 cubic feet (2,237 liters) of cargo room. Levers at the rear of the vehicle make it easier to fold the second- and third-row seats.

 

Additional solutions range from simple to technologically advanced. The rear of the center console, for example, features a unique pull-out storage drawer. It is accessible to rear-seat passengers and allows items such as electronic devices and small toys to be stored out of sight, for greater security and reduced clutter.

 

There’s also a new, standard rear seat alert that can remind the driver when an item may have been left in the second- and third-row seats. Additionally, all three rows offer USB charge ports for compatible electronic devices.

 

Design evolution
The new Acadia offers a greater emphasis on refinement, while remaining instantly recognizable with an evolution of the vehicle’s signature, professional grade design cues such as a chrome-trimmed grille, squared off and flared wheel arches and wraparound rear side windows with dark D-pillars.

 

“It’s a confident design influenced by extensive customer input,” said Helen Emsley, executive director, Global GMC Design and User Experience. “The original Acadia was very truck-inspired, but the new model has a decidedly SUV influence conveyed in sculptural details, softened corners and a sleeker windshield angle.”

 

New dimensional grilles and wraparound headlamps – HID lamps on Denali and halogen projectors on other models – reinforce the confident, refined appearance, while standard LED signature lighting on all models reflect GMC’s premium attributes. Complementing C-shape rear lighting graphics add a cohesive detail to the design.

 

Premium cues distinguish the Acadia Denali. Like all Denali models, it features a dimensional chrome grille, along with integrated chrome side trim, chrome-accented door handles, a chrome lower-rear fascia and specific six-spoke wheels.

 

Inside, all Acadia trim levels feature unique interior color and trim combinations and incorporate authentic aluminum trim.

 

Latest safety and connectivity technologies
As a contemporary crossover designed for families on the go, the 2017 Acadia offers the latest active safety features to protect them, as well as the latest technologies to keep them connected.

 

The active safety features are designed to help make drivers more aware of their surroundings and potential crash situations. They are available depending on the model and include:

  • New Front Pedestrian Braking
  • New Low Speed Forward Automatic Braking (standard on SLT-2 and Denali)
  • New Forward Automatic Braking (available on Denali)
  • New Following Distance Indicator
  • New IntelliBeam automatic headlamp high-beam control
  • New Surround Vision camera system
  • New Safety Alert Seat
  • Forward Collision Alert
  • Lane Keep Assist with Lane Departure Warning
  • Lane Change Alert with Side Blind Zone Alert
  • Front and Rear Parking Assist.

 


An available Tow Vision Trailering system helps make hitching easier by employing a rear-vision camera, with dynamic guidelines, to help line up the Acadia’s hitch with the trailer, as well as offering views of the trailer while driving.

 

And when it comes to connectivity, the Acadia is plugged in with available phone integration technology through GMC’s available IntelliLink system. It offers support for Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, making it easy to connect to some of the features smartphone users rely on most. (Vehicle user interfaces are products of Apple and Google and require a compatible smartphone and adherence to data plan rates, terms and privacy statements.)

 

Additionally, an available OnStar 4G LTE Wi-Fi hotspot provides a mobile hub for drivers and passengers to stay connected. The hotspot is on whenever the vehicle is on and comes with a three-month/three-gigabyte data trial.

 

New foundation and driving dynamics
Built on a new, lighter body structure, the 2017 Acadia’s driving dynamics are more responsive, while its shorter length and narrower width enable greater maneuverability, for easier turning in parking decks and easier parking in home garages.

 


Wheelbase (in / mm)

 

 

Length

 

 

(in / mm)

 

 

Width

 

 

(in / mm)

 

 

Height

 

 

(in / mm)

 

 

Turning radius

 

 

(ft / M)

 

 

Curb weight

 

 

(lb / kg)

 

 

2017 Acadia

 

 

112.5 / 2857

 

 

193.6 / 4917

 

 

75.4 / 1916

 

 

68.7 / 1745 (w/o mast, w/ roof rack)

 

 

38.7 / 11.8

 

 

3956 / 1794 (est. - FWD)

 

 

2016 Acadia

 

 

118.9 / 3021

 

 

200.8 / 5101

 

 

78.9 / 2003

 

 

72.6 / 1844 (w/o mast, w/ roof rack)

 

 

40.4 / 12.3

 

 

4656 / 2112 (FWD)

 


The body structure incorporates press-hardened, high-strength steels, which allowed thinner components in some areas offering comparable or better crash performance than conventional materials. They also help reduce the base curb weight by 700 pounds (318 kg), compared to the current model.

 

New splayed front frame rails also contribute to crashworthiness. They flare outward to provide effective folding and crushing performance during small overlap frontal crash situations.

 

The new Acadia retains a front-drive layout with available all-wheel drive. All models feature a new drive mode selector, which allows the driver to alter chassis and powertrain attributes to suit a variety of driving conditions. Front-drive models offer Normal (2x4), Snow, Sport and Trailer/Tow modes, while AWD models offer 2x4 (AWD disconnect), 4x4, Sport, Off Road and Trailer/Tow modes.

 

The AWD disconnect mode effectively disconnects the rear axle from the drive system to save fuel. On-demand AWD capability can be reapplied on the go by switching the drive mode selector to 4x4 mode.

 

Additional chassis and driving dynamics features include:

  • MacPherson strut front suspension
  • Five-link rear suspension
  • Rack-mounted electric power steering system
  • Four-wheel disc brakes with Duralife rotors
  • Electronic park brake
  • Available electronically controlled continuous damping system.

 


All Terrain
The new All Terrain model matches distinctive design elements with enhanced off-road-driving ability.

 

At the heart of the Acadia All Terrain’s capability is an advanced AWD system with Active Twin Clutch, which optimizes traction for every condition it encounters. And while it is engineered for optimal performance in wet, snowy and icy conditions, it also provides enhanced stability in dry conditions.

 

It also has a specific All Terrain mode in place of the Off Road mode on the drive mode selector, which works with the model’s exclusive AWD system to offer enhanced hill-climb capability.

 

All Terrain models are distinguished from the rest of the Acadia lineup with a body-color grille surround, black chrome trim and unique wheels. Inside is exclusive five-passenger seating, dynamic All Terrain interior accents and covered storage bins in the rear cargo floor in place of a third-row seat.

 

Manufacturing
The 2017 GMC Acadia will be produced at General Motors’ Spring Hill (Tenn.) assembly facility, with globally sourced parts.

 

CONTACT:
Megan Soule
GMC Communications
313-495-1297
[email protected]

 

2017 GMC ACADIA PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS

 

Overview
Models:
GMC Acadia / Acadia Denali / Acadia All Terrain
Body style / driveline:
crossover SUV / front-engine; front-wheel drive and all-wheel drive
Construction:
body-frame integral
EPA vehicle class:
sport utility vehicle
Manufacturing location:
Spring Hill, Tenn.
Key competitors:
Honda Pilot, Toyota Highlander, Ford Explorer; Jeep Grand Cherokee

 

Powertrains
Engine:
Ecotec 2.5L DOHC I-4 (LCV)
3.6L V-6 VVT DI (LGX)
Displacement (cu in / cc):
150 / 2457
223 / 3649
Bore & stroke (in / mm):
3.46 x 3.97 / 88 x 101
3.74 x 3.37 / 95 x 85.8
Block material:
precision sand-cast aluminum w/ cast-in-place iron bore liners
cast aluminum w/ cast-in-place iron bore liners
Cylinder head material:
cast aluminum
cast aluminum
Valvetrain:
DOHC, four valves per cylinder, continuous VVT
DOHC, four valves per cylinder, continuous VVT, Active Fuel Management
Fuel delivery:
high-pressure direct injection and electronic throttle control
high-pressure direct injection and electronic throttle control
Horsepower
(hp / kW @ rpm):
194 / 145 @ 6300 (SAE certified)
310 / 231 @ 6600 (est.)
Torque
(lb.-ft. / Nm @ rpm):
190 / 258 @ 4400 (SAE certified)
271 / 367 @ 5000 (est.)
GM-estimated fuel economy (city / hwy):
22 / 28 (FWD)
17 / 25 (FWD)
Transmission:
Hydra-Matic 6T50 six-speed automatic
Hydra-Matic 6T70 six-speed automatic

 

Chassis / Suspension
Suspension (front):
MacPherson strut; continuous damping control (Denali)
Suspension (rear):
Five-link independent; continuous damping control (Denali)
Steering type:
electric variable-effort power steering with Active Return Assist
Turning circle (ft / m):
38.7 / 11.8
Brakes:
four-wheel-disc, variable brake system with power assist; Duralife brake rotors and low-drag brake calipers
Wheel size and type:

 

18-in. aluminum
20-in. aluminum
Tires:
P235/65R18all-season
P235/55R20 all-season

 

Dimensions
Exterior
Wheelbase (in / mm):
112.5 / 2857
Overall length (in / mm):
193.6 / 4917
Overall width (in / mm):
75.4 / 1916
Overall height (in / mm):
68.7 / 1745 (w/o mast, w/ roof rack)
Track (in / mm):
64.5 / 1638 (front)
64.5 / 1638 (rear)
Curb weight (lb / kg):
3956 / 1794

 

Interior
Seating capacity:
five, six or seven passengers (depending on model/configuration)
Headroom (in / mm):
front: 40 / 1016 (without sunroof)
2nd row: 39.6 / 1006 (without sunroof)
3rd row: 37.2 / 945
Legroom (in / mm):
front: 41 / 1042
2nd row: 39.7 / 1008
3rd row: 31.1 / 789
Shoulder room (in / mm):
front: 59.4 / 1508
2nd row: 58.7 / 1490
3rd row: 54.3 / 1378
Hip room (in / mm):
front: 55.7 / 1414
2nd row: 53.3 / 1355
3rd row: 42.9 / 1090
Cargo volume (cu. ft. / L):
12.8 / 362 (behind third row)
41.7 /1181 (behind second row, third row folded)
79 / 2237 (second and third rows folded)

 

Note: Information shown is current at time of publication. Please visit http://media.gmc.com for updates.


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the downsize is a mistake.  The Acadia was hugely successful, they still need an Acadia sized entry in the showroom.  This would have been better off as 'Envoy'.

 

You keep saying that like there isn't going to be a long-wheel base Enclave sitting in the same showroom.  If there is a huge drop in Acadia sales that Enclave is unable to pick up, they can always do an Acadia XL.  If you're looking for the most cubic feet per dollar, GM would invite you do visit a Chevrolet showroom.  The GMC showroom is for people with money. 

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the downsize is a mistake.  The Acadia was hugely successful, they still need an Acadia sized entry in the showroom.  This would have been better off as 'Envoy'.

 

 

 

Envoy is DEAD.

 

And it should be. Always felt as tho it was weird.. crazy even to have the Acadia.. which was visually the size of the Yukon sitting on the same lot. Let me be clear.. At Buick and Saturn, at the time, the Enclave and Outlook made sense. The Acadia and Traverse only made sense if .. and I mean IF... the rumors were turning out to be true (I don't kno if U guys remember) that the Tahoe and Yukon were dying off.. leaving on the Suburban and XL as a ways and means to counter CAFE. Having the FWD based, V6 wearing CUVs were the answer. Obviously they didn't die.. Lambdas are somewhat redundant on the lots, and in this situation.. U might see a slightly cheaper Yukon and Tahoe result if the Traverse takes the same diet.

 

Again.. Enclave should STAY the same size.. the Acadia being primed to go up against the Grand Cherokee, (and Explorer) show real life in the GMC brand. Especially the All-Terrain. My girlfriend who was considering an Acadia just recently.. saw these pics and said "Yes.. that's exactly what I would want. Sized like the GC, but probably way more reliable."  She owned a GC from 2011 to 2012. 

 

Loving this. Actually looks like an SUV again. Size wise the interior volume, sans some of the cargo room is the same or better (2nd row has more legroom) 2017-GMC-Acadia-All-Terrain-001-720x340.

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The front is pretty decent. The midsection is very nice. The rear is handsome. Put them all together and it is an extremely incohesive design, imo. It doesn't look like a GMC.

 

As for the downsize, just what exactly is GM doing here? What does this mean for the Traverse? Will there be no GMC to fill the role of the outgoing Acadia? I just don't get it. None of our reps seem to have any idea about any of this. Go figure. 

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Looks a lot like an Explorer from the front and side, the tail lights remind me of Durango and Grand Cherokee. Overall it looks good, and GM needs a true mid size SUV and this is it.

I'd imagine the Terrain/Equinox is shrinking also. Buick will have the Enclave as the full size. It cuts down overlap which I think is good. Plus Cadillac is getting more crossovers and you want to drive the money toward the higher margin Caddies if possible.

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Despite mythical 'overlap' here, GM is taking a hugely successful anchor product for GMC and basically gutting it and redefining it. Acadia saved and made GMC relevant for a lot of buyers, in particular during a rough patch in the economy. You're going to now ask a lot of non enthusiast buyers, who know exactly what an Acadia is, to completely change what it is. You have no proof they wanted it to change, and no guarantee people want a frame based Yukon or any guarantee that the enclave wasn't a better option to downsize. Plus there are people who liked the choice of enclave vs terrain.

On top of that the looks are ruined, it doesn't look as tough or as premium. And a four cylinder will illicit laughter.

This is part of a strategy of having to comply with fuel economy regs and emissions crap. Crossovers are booming so much there is no way gmc had to do this. To introduce this new sized vehicle it should have gotten the envoy name or a new name.

Sort of reeks of 'what is a CTS' anymore. We all know how successful that is.

Acadia was a success because it was larger than a grand Cherokee. All gmc needed to do was add a model to take that on. Redefining what an Acadia is is a mistake. Even if they think the name equity is what ultimately helps them.

2013 Malibu. Look at what good making it smaller did for them there too.

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I wonder if Chevrolet will get a version that is this size? This not a bad look vehicle. I do not like the headlights. I prefer a quad headlight design.  This vehicle looks like someone redesigned the GMC Envoy. It looks like the old Envoy.. The similarities may be intentional.  It is placed in the same segment as Ford Explorer now.

That may be a good thing. The impressive thing is the 700 pound weight loss.

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Despite mythical 'overlap' here, GM is taking a hugely successful anchor product for GMC and basically gutting it and redefining it. Acadia saved and made GMC relevant for a lot of buyers, in particular during a rough patch in the economy. You're going to now ask a lot of non enthusiast buyers, who know exactly what an Acadia is, to completely change what it is. You have no proof they wanted it to change, and no guarantee people want a frame based Yukon or any guarantee that the enclave wasn't a better option to downsize. Plus there are people who liked the choice of enclave vs terrain.

On top of that the looks are ruined, it doesn't look as tough or as premium. And a four cylinder will illicit laughter.

This is part of a strategy of having to comply with fuel economy regs and emissions crap. Crossovers are booming so much there is no way gmc had to do this. To introduce this new sized vehicle it should have gotten the envoy name or a new name.

Sort of reeks of 'what is a CTS' anymore. We all know how successful that is.

Acadia was a success because it was larger than a grand Cherokee. All gmc needed to do was add a model to take that on. Redefining what an Acadia is is a mistake. Even if they think the name equity is what ultimately helps them.

2013 Malibu. Look at what good making it smaller did for them there too.

 

-1 on your comments as I have to totally disagree. I loved the first generation and second of the Acadia,but always thought is was a weird child that did not really fit in with the rest. Yes some loved the weirdness and might not stay with the third generation but this auto is sexy in a professional way and I believe continue to do well for GMC.

 

I myself think the inside and outside is an outstanding change for the model and will bring in more people to the fold.

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Reg.. U want to play it safe for the sake of playing it safe. GM is wise to differentiate these vehicles via size. The Acadia was almost spot-on in size to the Yukon. In think instead if playing it safe, GM sees the sales of both the GC and the Explorer and wants those sales too.. independent of the other brands.

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700 pounds is probably misleading, if that comparison is a crude in line 4 cylinder no one wants compared to the old v6.

When apples to apples get out on the scale it won't be 700 pounds difference we are talking about.

The other misleading assumption is that creating more spacing between an Acadia and Yukon is what people want. People buy the Acadia because of the efficIent packaging and car chassis. You get a Yukon for the truck frame and different ride and drive that the truck gives. You put up with the horrendously inefficient rear seat and cargo packaging as a sacrifice for the truck frame (even though navigator seems to do this right)

It's why people buy ridge lines vs f 150s. They ride and drive different and specialize in different ways.

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Last year GM sold 96K Acadias, Ford sold 249K Explorers, while the GC move 196K. Now obviously the LAMBDAS beat both of them when U combine them at 277K.. the Traverse moving the most, but I see what GMC is trying to do with their TRUCK brand.. and grab some of those sales currently going to the Explorer and GC.

 

I for one never really thought of the Acadia, due to size, as a direct competitor to the GC. I looked it more as an alternative to the Yukon.  Perhaps a competitor to the Explorer, Pilot.. or Highlander

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700 pounds is probably misleading, if that comparison is a crude in line 4 cylinder no one wants compared to the old v6.

When apples to apples get out on the scale it won't be 700 pounds difference we are talking about.

The other misleading assumption is that creating more spacing between an Acadia and Yukon is what people want. People buy the Acadia because of the efficIent packaging and car chassis. You get a Yukon for the truck frame and different ride and drive that the truck gives. You put up with the horrendously inefficient rear seat and cargo packaging as a sacrifice for the truck frame (even though navigator seems to do this right)

 

 

 

Navigator has IRS. It barely gives additional legroom in that and the Expy. The packaging of the Acadia is huge. GM should have never indulged people with it. Bottom line is that it looks like they have repackaged it in a way that won't effect the interior room very much at all.. while giving the second row occupants more room. The give-up is in the cargo area. Also.. due to the availability of the Long WB of the upcoming Enclave, if GM sees the need they can certainly intro a LWB Acadia in the way they did with the Envoy.. this vehicle rightful ancestor

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700 pounds is probably misleading, if that comparison is a crude in line 4 cylinder no one wants compared to the old v6.

When apples to apples get out on the scale it won't be 700 pounds difference we are talking about.

The other misleading assumption is that creating more spacing between an Acadia and Yukon is what people want. People buy the Acadia because of the efficIent packaging and car chassis. You get a Yukon for the truck frame and different ride and drive that the truck gives. You put up with the horrendously inefficient rear seat and cargo packaging as a sacrifice for the truck frame (even though navigator seems to do this right)

It's why people buy ridge lines vs f 150s. They ride and drive different and specialize in different ways.

 

GM has been pretty on point with weight predictions, Camaro SS lost 200 lbs, V6 and 4-cylinder lost 300 and 400 lbs respectively, CT6 is as light as the CTS, Malibu lost 300 lbs. Even if the 700 lbs refers to the 4-cylinder, the V6 will still be 500+ lbs lighter than the outgoing model. It's the difference of two NFL linebackers riding in the back of your car, automakers would kill for those gains.

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700 pounds is probably misleading, if that comparison is a crude in line 4 cylinder no one wants compared to the old v6.

When apples to apples get out on the scale it won't be 700 pounds difference we are talking about.

The other misleading assumption is that creating more spacing between an Acadia and Yukon is what people want. People buy the Acadia because of the efficIent packaging and car chassis. You get a Yukon for the truck frame and different ride and drive that the truck gives. You put up with the horrendously inefficient rear seat and cargo packaging as a sacrifice for the truck frame (even though navigator seems to do this right)

 

 

 

Navigator has IRS. It barely gives additional legroom in that and the Expy. The packaging of the Acadia is huge. GM should have never indulged people with it. Bottom line is that it looks like they have repackaged it in a way that won't effect the interior room very much at all.. while giving the second row occupants more room. The give-up is in the cargo area. Also.. due to the availability of the Long WB of the upcoming Enclave, if GM sees the need they can certainly intro a LWB Acadia in the way they did with the Envoy.. this vehicle rightful ancestor

 

There is 3 inches more legroom in the Expy than the Subruban(3rd row).

37.7in vs 34.5in

 

The current Traverse has 33.2in of 3rd row leg room.

 

Take that how you'd like. I just looked it up because I was curious when I read what you said Casa. 

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just curious as to the platform this is based off of. it reminds me an awful lot of the south american trailblazer... is there a reason for that or am i just delusional?

 

The south american trailblazer is based on the Colorado and it's no featherweight. The Acadia is FWD/AWD on the heavily modified Lambda platform, I'm not sure GM's new coding for it.

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just curious as to the platform this is based off of. it reminds me an awful lot of the south american trailblazer... is there a reason for that or am i just delusional?

 

The south american trailblazer is based on the Colorado and it's no featherweight. The Acadia is FWD/AWD on the heavily modified Lambda platform, I'm not sure GM's new coding for it.

 

 

It's on a new platform called C1XX. No real sharing with Lambda to speak of.  Shared with the new XT5.

Here are my shots of the GMC Acadia from the show.   To me, this is the biggest evidence that the Terrain will shrink significantly next refresh.  In 5-passenger trim, the Acadia is dangerously close to the Terrain in interior room with almost all of the extra space happening behind the 2nd row.

 

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just curious as to the platform this is based off of. it reminds me an awful lot of the south american trailblazer... is there a reason for that or am i just delusional?

 

The south american trailblazer is based on the Colorado and it's no featherweight. The Acadia is FWD/AWD on the heavily modified Lambda platform, I'm not sure GM's new coding for it.

 

 

It's on a new platform called C1XX. No real sharing with Lambda to speak of.  Shared with the new XT5.

Here are my shots of the GMC Acadia from the show.   To me, this is the biggest evidence that the Terrain will shrink significantly next refresh.  In 5-passenger trim, the Acadia is dangerously close to the Terrain in interior room with almost all of the extra space happening behind the 2nd row.

 

 

 

Thank you for the clarification! The Lambda part was an educated guess. The D2XX and E2XX underpinning GM's new FWD sedans are based on the Delta and Epsilon platforms in some capacity, I didn't know the Lambda chassis was being ditched after one extended generation.

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Everything is going to have a 4-cylinder. If you want to complain you could complain that it is not turbocharged. But I think the 2.5 liter four is the right base engine. I'd guess they want to lower the price a bit and set up shop in the mid-size segment.

I think Terrain will shrink to Escape size. And this makes sense. People are used to a Terrain costing X and an Acadia costing Y. When you slide them down the Acadia costing X seems like great value. The opposite of adding $10k to the CTS and being surprised that buyers went away.

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just curious as to the platform this is based off of. it reminds me an awful lot of the south american trailblazer... is there a reason for that or am i just delusional?

 

The south american trailblazer is based on the Colorado and it's no featherweight. The Acadia is FWD/AWD on the heavily modified Lambda platform, I'm not sure GM's new coding for it.

 

 

It's on a new platform called C1XX. No real sharing with Lambda to speak of.  Shared with the new XT5.

Here are my shots of the GMC Acadia from the show.   To me, this is the biggest evidence that the Terrain will shrink significantly next refresh.  In 5-passenger trim, the Acadia is dangerously close to the Terrain in interior room with almost all of the extra space happening behind the 2nd row.

 

 

 

Thank you for the clarification! The Lambda part was an educated guess. The D2XX and E2XX underpinning GM's new FWD sedans are based on the Delta and Epsilon platforms in some capacity, I didn't know the Lambda chassis was being ditched after one extended generation.

 

 

The Chi platform back in the day was supposed to be the "sedan" version of the Lambda platform and used for big cars like the Lucerne and DTS.  2007 happened and that Chi platform didn't. Epsilon was never intially intended to be stretched to the lengths it has been and thats why the XTS, Lacrosse and Impala have some weight issues.

 

I imagine the only reason the Lambda platform lasted as long as it has (though with bargain basement updates) is because of the huge volumes that GM continues to enjoy on them.   Now this new C platform should give GM a lot more breathing room to share among more vehicles. 

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just curious as to the platform this is based off of. it reminds me an awful lot of the south american trailblazer... is there a reason for that or am i just delusional?

 

The south american trailblazer is based on the Colorado and it's no featherweight. The Acadia is FWD/AWD on the heavily modified Lambda platform, I'm not sure GM's new coding for it.

 

 

It's on a new platform called C1XX. No real sharing with Lambda to speak of.  Shared with the new XT5.

Here are my shots of the GMC Acadia from the show.   To me, this is the biggest evidence that the Terrain will shrink significantly next refresh.  In 5-passenger trim, the Acadia is dangerously close to the Terrain in interior room with almost all of the extra space happening behind the 2nd row.

 

 

 

seems like the wheelbase and length are Dodge Journey sized more than anything.  If the width of the vehicle is comparable to the Journey, then in fact yes, it's going down towards Terrain sized.  In another thread somewhere, I suggested what GM was probably doing was something along the lines of the last XL-7......something more akin to a stretched equinox.  Dimensions maybe not far off that?  (i have yet to see the width of the 17 Acadia).

 

GM's not going to lower the price, but it will move a whole size class down.  This does not seem like a recipe for success.  Time will tell.

 

I just remember when the Lambdas came out.  Everyone loved the package.  People traded in their Blazers and Envoys and Raniers and stuff en masse.  People like my wife's boss when they get kids go to buy the first CUV and gush over the new Acadia they get because adults can sit in the third row.  Wanted the GMC because they didn't want the Chevy and they wanted something trucky.  

 

Now GM is taking that away.  Take away the size, the style, etc.  Makes no sense.  A 2017 with a 3.6 may end up getting 1 mpg more on the EPA.  In the real world, you may or may not see that either.  Ask an owner of a 2008 Saturn Vue V6 if they get any better mpg than someone driving a 2008 Acadia.  Yeah, it's not going to get hardly nay better real world mpg.

 

Of course I am of the mindset that the Terrain and Equinox shouldn't downsize (their interior space).  Escape is a nice garagable size but some may find it a bit small.  CRv has nice space but the whole package their is a tin rattle trap.  GM can take the weight out of their products without making them into CRv's.  I get that the product groups are global now, but GM is seriously cutting themselves in the foot on this one.

 

I guess its time to pick up a Dodge Journey.

Everything is going to have a 4-cylinder. If you want to complain you could complain that it is not turbocharged. But I think the 2.5 liter four is the right base engine. I'd guess they want to lower the price a bit and set up shop in the mid-size segment.

I think Terrain will shrink to Escape size. And this makes sense. People are used to a Terrain costing X and an Acadia costing Y. When you slide them down the Acadia costing X seems like great value. The opposite of adding $10k to the CTS and being surprised that buyers went away.

you driven anything with the 2.5?  There's a reason its being banished to the trucks and CUV's.......

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just curious as to the platform this is based off of. it reminds me an awful lot of the south american trailblazer... is there a reason for that or am i just delusional?

 

 

It and the XT5 are on the same platform called C1xx, which is a variant of the E(psilon)2XX for CUVs.. The two aforementioned are on SWB while the Traverse and Enclave are gonna be on the LWB version.

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700 pounds is probably misleading, if that comparison is a crude in line 4 cylinder no one wants compared to the old v6.

When apples to apples get out on the scale it won't be 700 pounds difference we are talking about.

The other misleading assumption is that creating more spacing between an Acadia and Yukon is what people want. People buy the Acadia because of the efficIent packaging and car chassis. You get a Yukon for the truck frame and different ride and drive that the truck gives. You put up with the horrendously inefficient rear seat and cargo packaging as a sacrifice for the truck frame (even though navigator seems to do this right)

 

 

 

Navigator has IRS. It barely gives additional legroom in that and the Expy. The packaging of the Acadia is huge. GM should have never indulged people with it. Bottom line is that it looks like they have repackaged it in a way that won't effect the interior room very much at all.. while giving the second row occupants more room. The give-up is in the cargo area. Also.. due to the availability of the Long WB of the upcoming Enclave, if GM sees the need they can certainly intro a LWB Acadia in the way they did with the Envoy.. this vehicle rightful ancestor

 

There is 3 inches more legroom in the Expy than the Subruban(3rd row).

37.7in vs 34.5in

 

The current Traverse has 33.2in of 3rd row leg room.

 

Take that how you'd like. I just looked it up because I was curious when I read what you said Casa. 

 

 

 

We've had this discussion before over at MT after a C&D comparo.. Passenger space in the second row was a stalemate basically.. but the Tahoe lost in the 3rd row.. which I concede, but doesn't have any effect on my particular use as I personally and investigating clean ways of removing the third row all together. I have in the past and really wish they hadn't of given into people in this dept and left the 3rd row removable. When I got my Yukon, I had forgotten I had a third row in my Tahoe, I had taken them out so long ago. I traded it in and realized afterwards.. and ended up having to sell them on Ebay for $1000.  Based on popularity,... people seemingly don't give DAMN.. about that extra space concentrated on by Ford for the Passengers. They may just be a lot like me and LOOOOOOOOOVE the fact that they.. the driver and front row passenger can swing THEIR feet back in forth. 

 

 

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Eff I care about rear seat passengers if I'm scrunched up in the front. I put my seat back as far as I can get it.. and will crush your damn legs if it gets me comfy

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Of course I am of the mindset that the Terrain and Equinox shouldn't downsize (their interior space).  Escape is a nice garagable size but some may find it a bit small.  CRv has nice space but the whole package their is a tin rattle trap.  GM can take the weight out of their products without making them into CRv's.  I get that the product groups are global now, but GM is seriously cutting themselves in the foot on this one.

 

 

 

 

 

U do realize that the new levels will be Yukon XL, Yukon, Acadia, Terrain.. and a vehicle, possibly Granite (?) under that right? Also... as said before by myself and a few others.. the option for a LWB is not out of the question 

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just curious as to the platform this is based off of. it reminds me an awful lot of the south american trailblazer... is there a reason for that or am i just delusional?

 

The south american trailblazer is based on the Colorado and it's no featherweight. The Acadia is FWD/AWD on the heavily modified Lambda platform, I'm not sure GM's new coding for it.

 

 

It's on a new platform called C1XX. No real sharing with Lambda to speak of.  Shared with the new XT5.

Here are my shots of the GMC Acadia from the show.   To me, this is the biggest evidence that the Terrain will shrink significantly next refresh.  In 5-passenger trim, the Acadia is dangerously close to the Terrain in interior room with almost all of the extra space happening behind the 2nd row.

 

 

 

seems like the wheelbase and length are Dodge Journey sized more than anything.  If the width of the vehicle is comparable to the Journey, then in fact yes, it's going down towards Terrain sized.  In another thread somewhere, I suggested what GM was probably doing was something along the lines of the last XL-7......something more akin to a stretched equinox.  Dimensions maybe not far off that?  (i have yet to see the width of the 17 Acadia).

 

GM's not going to lower the price, but it will move a whole size class down.  This does not seem like a recipe for success.  Time will tell.

 

I just remember when the Lambdas came out.  Everyone loved the package.  People traded in their Blazers and Envoys and Raniers and stuff en masse.  People like my wife's boss when they get kids go to buy the first CUV and gush over the new Acadia they get because adults can sit in the third row.  Wanted the GMC because they didn't want the Chevy and they wanted something trucky.  

 

Now GM is taking that away.  Take away the size, the style, etc.  Makes no sense.  A 2017 with a 3.6 may end up getting 1 mpg more on the EPA.  In the real world, you may or may not see that either.  Ask an owner of a 2008 Saturn Vue V6 if they get any better mpg than someone driving a 2008 Acadia.  Yeah, it's not going to get hardly nay better real world mpg.

 

Of course I am of the mindset that the Terrain and Equinox shouldn't downsize (their interior space).  Escape is a nice garagable size but some may find it a bit small.  CRv has nice space but the whole package their is a tin rattle trap.  GM can take the weight out of their products without making them into CRv's.  I get that the product groups are global now, but GM is seriously cutting themselves in the foot on this one.

 

I guess its time to pick up a Dodge Journey.

Everything is going to have a 4-cylinder. If you want to complain you could complain that it is not turbocharged. But I think the 2.5 liter four is the right base engine. I'd guess they want to lower the price a bit and set up shop in the mid-size segment.

I think Terrain will shrink to Escape size. And this makes sense. People are used to a Terrain costing X and an Acadia costing Y. When you slide them down the Acadia costing X seems like great value. The opposite of adding $10k to the CTS and being surprised that buyers went away.

you driven anything with the 2.5?  There's a reason its being banished to the trucks and CUV's.......

 

The 2.5 is good enough for the Cadillac ATS, must be good enough for a GMC truck.

 

I drove a Malibu rental with a 2.5 once.  I guess it was fine in that, I wouldn't want one though.  They had to put some kind of 4 cylinder in it.  I guess they could have used a turbo 4 but maybe thought it would raise cost and get worse fuel economy, or require more maintenance.

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I'm a bit skeptical on the 2.5 also. I think they could have helped things had they used the 8 speed auto.

 

 

I'm not. I wouldn't touch one with your wallet.. but then again I think a Cadillac CTS-VSport has 220 ponies less than I'm willing to pay for. 

 

Point is that put a non-turbo 4 banger in front of commentary of any enthusiasts and he/she will find some reason to hate it. Put it in front of the mainstream buyer.. and U will see 70+% of your sales not giving a $h! about 0-60 times as the buy that 4 cylinder 

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The 8-speed would have helped.  If you have 8 gears you can get away with a less powerful engine.

 

The Jeep Cherokee has a 184 hp 2.4 liter four, the Hyundai Santa Fe a 190 hp 2.4 liter four.  I don't think the 190 hp four in the Acadia is much different than what others are offering.  And they do offer a V6 if you want that.  Most crossover buyers aren't looking for 300 hp and high performance.  If they wanted 0-60 time and nimble handling they wouldn't be buying a mid-size crossover, they'd get a 3-series.  These crossover/SUV buyers will look for cargo space and fuel economy, and not care if the 0-60 time is 9 seconds.

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The 8-speed would have helped.  If you have 8 gears you can get away with a less powerful engine.

 

The Jeep Cherokee has a 184 hp 2.4 liter four, the Hyundai Santa Fe a 190 hp 2.4 liter four.  I don't think the 190 hp four in the Acadia is much different than what others are offering.  And they do offer a V6 if you want that.  Most crossover buyers aren't looking for 300 hp and high performance.  If they wanted 0-60 time and nimble handling they wouldn't be buying a mid-size crossover, they'd get an 3-series ATS.

 

 

Fixed that for U :wavey:

 

 

Also... people. I think I really see where GM is going with this. 

 

 

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The 8-speed would have helped.  If you have 8 gears you can get away with a less powerful engine.

 

The Jeep Cherokee has a 184 hp 2.4 liter four, the Hyundai Santa Fe a 190 hp 2.4 liter four.  I don't think the 190 hp four in the Acadia is much different than what others are offering.  And they do offer a V6 if you want that.  Most crossover buyers aren't looking for 300 hp and high performance.  If they wanted 0-60 time and nimble handling they wouldn't be buying a mid-size crossover, they'd get a 3-series.  These crossover/SUV buyers will look for cargo space and fuel economy, and not care if the 0-60 time is 9 seconds.

First: That would be the Santa Fe Sport. The regular Santa Fe comes with a 3.3L V6.

Second: The two vehicles you listed are somewhat smaller than the Acadia

 

 

I wonder if Chevrolet will get a version that is this size? This not a bad look vehicle. I do not like the headlights. I prefer a quad headlight design.  This vehicle looks like someone redesigned the GMC Envoy. It looks like the old Envoy.. The similarities may be intentional.  It is placed in the same segment as Ford Explorer now.

That may be a good thing. The impressive thing is the 700 pound weight loss.

 

Possibly. From a story early in January

 

Meanwhile at Chevrolet, sources say the brand is considering a new midsize model to slot in between the Equinox and Traverse. This model would come with three-rows and compete against the likes of the Toyota Highlander and Ford Edge. Chevrolet is expected to move the Equinox slight down market and the Traverse slightly up market to give the new model some breathing room.

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Of course I am of the mindset that the Terrain and Equinox shouldn't downsize (their interior space).  Escape is a nice garagable size but some may find it a bit small.  CRv has nice space but the whole package their is a tin rattle trap.  GM can take the weight out of their products without making them into CRv's.  I get that the product groups are global now, but GM is seriously cutting themselves in the foot on this one.

 

 

 

 

 

U do realize that the new levels will be Yukon XL, Yukon, Acadia, Terrain.. and a vehicle, possibly Granite (?) under that right? Also... as said before by myself and a few others.. the option for a LWB is not out of the question 

 

i sure hope the returning Acadia lessees have that option of that XL available to them when they turn in the ones they have.  Both the regular version and the "XL" should be available at the same time, launch so there are no gaps for the lessees.

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The 8-speed would have helped.  If you have 8 gears you can get away with a less powerful engine.

 

The Jeep Cherokee has a 184 hp 2.4 liter four, the Hyundai Santa Fe a 190 hp 2.4 liter four.  I don't think the 190 hp four in the Acadia is much different than what others are offering.  And they do offer a V6 if you want that.  Most crossover buyers aren't looking for 300 hp and high performance.  If they wanted 0-60 time and nimble handling they wouldn't be buying a mid-size crossover, they'd get a 3-series.  These crossover/SUV buyers will look for cargo space and fuel economy, and not care if the 0-60 time is 9 seconds.

First: That would be the Santa Fe Sport. The regular Santa Fe comes with a 3.3L V6.

Second: The two vehicles you listed are somewhat smaller than the Acadia

 

I did think that the Cherokee was smaller, but perhaps more in line with Acadia than Grand Cherokee..  Perhaps a better comparison is the Toyota Highlander which has a 185 hp 4-cylinder as standard.

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Sounds like the new Acadia will still be a few inches longer than the GC, similar wheelbase, and about a foot longer than the Cherokee...close to the Highlander,  and maybe 4 inches shorter than the Explorer, 6 inches shorter than the Durango (which is about 2 inches shorter than the current Acadia).  Definitely within the midsize CUV/SUV sweet spot.

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First thing I thought when I looked at it was "Durango", but now I see the resemblance to the old Envoy, which is still seen quite a bit in my area, the Envoy being a genuine SUV, BOF with longitudinal engine.  Second glance makes me snicker a bit at the "All Terrain" model, with its giant wheels, low profile tires and CUV low-slung stance.  Makes me want to put the word "progress" in quotation marks.  It's for poseurs, this All-Terrain concept (even on the Sierra and Canyon), but I have to concede... it is geared toward how customers will actually use them, not some mythical, masculine ideal where guys go on real adventures on weekends... not to a Starbucks in the corner of the mall parking lot.

 

If Ford does the same thing to the Bronco, there are going to be a lot of disillusioned Ford lovers out there.  Seems like the only SUV drivers who care about real adventure anymore are second, and subsequent, owners of Wranglers.

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Of course I am of the mindset that the Terrain and Equinox shouldn't downsize (their interior space).  Escape is a nice garagable size but some may find it a bit small.  CRv has nice space but the whole package their is a tin rattle trap.  GM can take the weight out of their products without making them into CRv's.  I get that the product groups are global now, but GM is seriously cutting themselves in the foot on this one.

 

 

 

 

 

U do realize that the new levels will be Yukon XL, Yukon, Acadia, Terrain.. and a vehicle, possibly Granite (?) under that right? Also... as said before by myself and a few others.. the option for a LWB is not out of the question 

 

i sure hope the returning Acadia lessees have that option of that XL available to them when they turn in the ones they have.  Both the regular version and the "XL" should be available at the same time, launch so there are no gaps for the lessees.

 

 

 

Actually.. internal data will show whether this was a good idea probably up to 4-5 months in to release. Basically because the old one will still be on the lot.. competing with the new one. If I were GM.. I wouldn't even drop the price of the Lambda one to move out old metal. I'd leave it wherever it is.. thus being able to truly gauge the take rate and why. That will tell them whether a LWB is a necessity right off the bat. At that point.. product planning can call on Spring Hill to start taking some of the Enclave or Traverse production for the GMC

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First thing I thought when I looked at it was "Durango", but now I see the resemblance to the old Envoy, which is still seen quite a bit in my area, the Envoy being a genuine SUV, BOF with longitudinal engine.  Second glance makes me snicker a bit at the "All Terrain" model, with its giant wheels, low profile tires and CUV low-slung stance.  Makes me want to put the word "progress" in quotation marks.  It's for poseurs, this All-Terrain concept (even on the Sierra and Canyon), but I have to concede... it is geared toward how customers will actually use them, not some mythical, masculine ideal where guys go on real adventures on weekends... not to a Starbucks in the corner of the mall parking lot.

 

If Ford does the same thing to the Bronco, there are going to be a lot of disillusioned Ford lovers out there.  Seems like the only SUV drivers who care about real adventure anymore are second, and subsequent, owners of Wranglers.

 

 

I kno plenty of H3 owners who do. I am still hoping that the H3, in particular, along with the H3T (with the new Wrangler PU announcement) get a revival

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First thing I thought when I looked at it was "Durango", but now I see the resemblance to the old Envoy, which is still seen quite a bit in my area, the Envoy being a genuine SUV, BOF with longitudinal engine. Second glance makes me snicker a bit at the "All Terrain" model, with its giant wheels, low profile tires and CUV low-slung stance. Makes me want to put the word "progress" in quotation marks. It's for poseurs, this All-Terrain concept (even on the Sierra and Canyon), but I have to concede... it is geared toward how customers will actually use them, not some mythical, masculine ideal where guys go on real adventures on weekends... not to a Starbucks in the corner of the mall parking lot.

Well, it is a GMC, so it's 'professional grade'... if you go by their advertising, it's for sharped dressed guys in suits in large cities...not outdoorsy guys w/ artisanal beards out grubbing around in rural areas... ;)

The song used for GMC advertising is an ironic choice, since one of the lines in Eminence Front is 'it's a put on'.

Interesting..it's already up on the GMC site, w/ pics showing off the Denali version also..

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700 pounds is probably misleading, if that comparison is a crude in line 4 cylinder no one wants compared to the old v6.

When apples to apples get out on the scale it won't be 700 pounds difference we are talking about.

The other misleading assumption is that creating more spacing between an Acadia and Yukon is what people want. People buy the Acadia because of the efficIent packaging and car chassis. You get a Yukon for the truck frame and different ride and drive that the truck gives. You put up with the horrendously inefficient rear seat and cargo packaging as a sacrifice for the truck frame (even though navigator seems to do this right)

 

 

 

Navigator has IRS. It barely gives additional legroom in that and the Expy. The packaging of the Acadia is huge. GM should have never indulged people with it. Bottom line is that it looks like they have repackaged it in a way that won't effect the interior room very much at all.. while giving the second row occupants more room. The give-up is in the cargo area. Also.. due to the availability of the Long WB of the upcoming Enclave, if GM sees the need they can certainly intro a LWB Acadia in the way they did with the Envoy.. this vehicle rightful ancestor

 

There is 3 inches more legroom in the Expy than the Subruban(3rd row).

37.7in vs 34.5in

 

The current Traverse has 33.2in of 3rd row leg room.

 

Take that how you'd like. I just looked it up because I was curious when I read what you said Casa. 

 

 

 

We've had this discussion before over at MT after a C&D comparo.. Passenger space in the second row was a stalemate basically.. but the Tahoe lost in the 3rd row.. which I concede, but doesn't have any effect on my particular use as I personally and investigating clean ways of removing the third row all together. I have in the past and really wish they hadn't of given into people in this dept and left the 3rd row removable. When I got my Yukon, I had forgotten I had a third row in my Tahoe, I had taken them out so long ago. I traded it in and realized afterwards.. and ended up having to sell them on Ebay for $1000.  Based on popularity,... people seemingly don't give DAMN.. about that extra space concentrated on by Ford for the Passengers. They may just be a lot like me and LOOOOOOOOOVE the fact that they.. the driver and front row passenger can swing THEIR feet back in forth. 

 

 

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Eff I care about rear seat passengers if I'm scrunched up in the front. I put my seat back as far as I can get it.. and will crush your damn legs if it gets me comfy

 

Yes, you are correct. I wasn't disputing anything other than just looking it up because I didn't remember any of the numbers. And me personally, I don't care about the 3rd row because hopefully I never need one to use but it is for those who do actually use it. I've been in the 3rd row of an Acadia on a few occasions and it really was not that bad so knowing the Tahoe and Expedition are larger makes me not worry much about the "smaller" Tahoe's 3rd row. 

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