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    2018 Dodge Challenger Demon Provides Brutal Performance

      So fast that it has been banned from drag-racing competition (Plus seats are a $1 option)


    We thought Dodge was insane when they debuted the Challenger and Charger Hellcats a few years ago. Boy how wrong we were as tonight in a blaze of smoky glory, Dodge introduced the Challenger Demon. Built with drag racing in mind, the Demon can lift its front wheels off the ground during hard acceleration. It is so fast that the Demon in its stock form has been banned from drag-racing competition by the National Hot Rod Association (NHRA) - we'll explain why shortly.

    Here are all of the juicy details about the Demon,

    • 6.2L supercharged V8 capable of producing 840 horsepower and 770 pound-feet of torque*
      • *That's with the optional Demon Crate with all of the parts and tools necessary to reach that power. Standard models will boast 808 hp and 717 pound-feet.
    • Eight-Speed Automatic with an upgraded torque converter
    • 0-60 MPH in 2.3 seconds
    • 0-100 MPH in 5.1 seconds
    • Quarter-Mile: 9.65 seconds at 140 mph
    • Pulls 1.8Gs of force during launch

    Madness you might say. But to get these figures, Dodge put a lot of work into the Demon.

    It begins with the 6.2L V8 where a larger supercharger (2.7L up from the Hellcat's 2.4L) is plopped down and boost has been increased to 14.5 psi. Close to 50 percent of the engine's internals have been changed out to improve overall strength with the amount of power on tap and dual fuel pumps keep the fuel flowing. The SRT Power Chiller uses the vehicle's A/C system to cool down the air coming in from the large hood scoop.

    Next, Dodge put the Demon on a bit of a diet. Removing various trim, audio, and even the passenger and back seat, Dodge was able to drop more than 200 pounds. Those who want the passenger and back seat will be happy to know they are on the options list for a $1.00 each (no this isn't a misprint).

    For dragstrip duties, the Demon comes with a fair amount tech and parts to get the best results

    • A set of Nitto NT05R 315/40 drag radials
    • TransBrake: Locks the transmission output shaft to hold the vehicle in place during a standing start. 
    • Torque Reserve: Works in conjunction with TransBrake. The system closes a bypass valve in the engine, pre-fills the supercharger and building boost (even at just above idle). Once the vehicle is launched, the system adjusts fuel flow and spark to make sure the right amount of horsepower and torque is being sent to the rear wheels
    • Drag Mode: Changes various parameters in the powertrain for drag duty. Helps reduce wheel hop by monitoring wheel slip and reducing torque.
    • Demon Crate: An option that includes a set of skinny front tires, new engine ECU, air filter, a low-temperature thermostat, HVAC switch module with an extra button on it, and a set of Snap-On tools.

    Now we come to point in our story where we need to explain why the Demon has been banned from drag-racing competition. The NHRA has a rule how quick “stock” cars could run at quarter-mile tracks. Until 2012. that number was an 11.5-second pass. This was changed to a 9.99-second pass or 135 mph trap speed due to factory vehicles becoming much faster. Since the Demon can do a quarter-mile at 9.65 seconds at 140 mph in stock form, it is banned. You can drag race a Demon, but you'll need to get extra safety equipment (roll cage, helmet, and a fire suit) and a Competition License.

    At the moment, Dodge is only doing one year of Demon production with 3,000 for the U.S. and 300 for Canada. No word on pricing, but you'll be able to buy one this fall.

    Source: Dodge
    Press Release is on Page 2


    2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon Pulls the Wheels

    • Fastest quarter-mile car in the world; banned by the NHRA
    • 840 horsepower and 770 pounds-feet of torque from supercharged 6.2-liter HEMI® Demon V-8 engine makes Dodge Challenger SRT Demon the most-powerful muscle car ever
    • Highest horsepower V-8 production car engine ever produced
    • First-ever front-wheel lift in production car (2.92 feet) as certified by Guinness World Records
    • World’s fastest quarter-mile production car with an elapsed time (ET) of 9.65 seconds and 140 miles per hour (mph) as certified by National Hot Rod Association (NHRA)
    • Challenger SRT Demon is too fast for the drag strip – officially banned by NHRA
    • World’s fastest 0-60 production car: 2.3 seconds
    • 0-30 miles per hour: 1.0 second
    • Highest g-force acceleration of any production car: 1.8 g
    • Air-Grabber™ induction system includes the largest functional hood scoop (45.2 square inches) of any production car
    • Significant upgrades to create the Demon engine include:
      • Larger 2.7-liter per rev supercharger; increased boost pressure to 14.5 psi
      • Higher rpm limit of 6,500
      • First-ever factory-production car with innovative SRT Power Chiller™ liquid-to-air intercooler chiller system
      • First factory-production car with After-Run Chiller that keeps cooling the supercharger/charge air cooler after the engine is shut off
    • First-ever, factory-production car designed to run on 100+ high-octane unleaded fuel or 91 octane on demand
    • First-ever, factory-production car with TransBrake for more powerful and quicker launches
    • First-ever, factory-production drag car with Torque Reserve, to deliver increased levels of power and torque at launch
    • First-ever, factory-production car with front passenger seat delete
    • Exclusive, serialized Demon Crate offers components that fully unleash the car’s potential at the drag strip
    • Challenger SRT Demon is covered by FCA US LLC factory warranty, including three-year/36,000-mile limited vehicle warranty and five-year/60,000-mile limited powertrain coverage
    • Production of limited-edition single model year (3,000 United States/300 Canada) Challenger SRT Demon begins later this summer; deliveries to Dodge//SRT dealers to begin this fall
    • All customers who buy the new 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon receive one full-day session at Bob Bondurant School of High-performance Driving
    • Dodge has named Hagerty as its official insurance provider of the Dodge Challenger SRT Demon

    April 11, 2017 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - Dodge rocked the high-performance car world in 2014 with the 707-horsepower Charger SRT Hellcat and Challenger SRT Hellcat, building supercar performance at affordable prices. They were the most powerful muscle cars ever – until now.

    Today, Dodge is shaking the foundation of the entire performance car industry, launching New York International Auto Show week with its wickedly fast new 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon – highly capable on the street, absolutely dominating at the drag strip.
     
    Powered by a 840-horsepower, supercharged 6.2-liter HEMI® Demon V-8, the limited-production Challenger SRT Demon is the world’s most powerful factory-production V-8 – bar none.  NHRA-certified 9.65 seconds @ 140 mph makes the Dodge Challenger SRT Demon the fastest ¼-mile car in the world.
     
    Performance numbers:

    • 0-30 mph: 1.0 second 
    • 0-60 mph: 2.3 seconds
    • Quarter-mile: 9.65 seconds at 140 mph

     
    The Challenger SRT Demon also is the world’s first production car to lift the front wheels at launch and set the world record for longest wheelie from a standing start by a production car at 2.92 feet, certified by Guinness World Records. And hold onto your seat. The Challenger SRT Demon also registers the highest g-force (1.8 g) ever recorded at launch in a production car.
     
    “With Demon, our goal was to build a car that would tattoo the Dodge logo into the subconscious of the general market, beyond even our loyal enthusiasts, said Tim Kuniskis, Head of Passenger Cars – Dodge, SRT, Chrysler and FIAT, FCA North America. “To do so, we had to set records that have never been set before, do more than has ever been done before, go beyond even the legendary Hellcat. The result: an 840-horsepower, 9-second muscle car unlike anything that has ever come before it.”


    The Challenger SRT Demon’s record-setting performance is the result of collaboration among the Dodge//SRT, Design, Engineering, Powertrain and Manufacturing teams inside FCA US LLC, many of whom are experienced and active drag racers. While the 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon remains a potent street car, every component was scrutinized and optimized for weight, capability and durability on the strip.
     
    The performance records flow from an impressive list of street-legal production car industry firsts. That list includes:

    • Factory-installed wider, Nitto street-legal drag radials for improved grip, 40 percent more launch force compared with SRT Hellcat tires
    • Available Direct Connection engine controller calibrated for 100+ unleaded high-octane fuel
    • SRT Power Chiller™ redirects air conditioning refrigerant to chill the charger air cooler
    • After-Run Chiller runs the cooling fan and the low-temperature circuit coolant pump after engine shutdown
    • TransBrake locks the output shaft of the TorqueFlite eight-speed automatic transmission to hold the car before launch, allowing the driver to increase engine rpm for higher torque and quicker response
    • Torque Reserve boosts engine air flow and supercharger rpm before launch, delivering wickedly fast acceleration
    • Drag Mode suspension tuning maximizes weight transfer to the rear wheels for better traction
    • Drag Mode Launch Assist uses wheel speed sensors to watch for driveline-damaging wheel hop at launch and in milliseconds modifies the engine torque to regain full grip and then continues accelerating the car down the track
    • Available narrow “front runner” wheels for use at drag strips cuts front-end weight
    • Wide-body exterior styling, with concealed wheel well attachments house Challenger SRT Demon’s massively wide 315/40R18 tires
    • Front passenger seat and rear seat deleted to reduce weight (can be optioned back for $1 each)

    Production of the limited-edition single model year Challenger SRT Demon begins later this summer, with 3,000 vehicles for the United States and 300 vehicles for Canada. Deliveries to Dodge//SRT dealers will begin this fall.
     
    Dodge has named Hagerty as its official insurance provider of the Dodge Challenger SRT Demon – Hagerty is a company for people who love cars and they already protect many of the rarest high performance cars in the world.

    Demon’s heart: Supercharged V-8
    The heart of the 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon is the supercharged 6.2-liter HEMI Demon V-8, rated at 840 horsepower and 770 pounds-feet of torque. The red-painted Demon engine has been certified to the SAE J1349 industry standard for its horsepower and torque ratings. The engine also meets all applicable legal emissions regulations.
     
    While the Demon V-8 shares its architecture with the 707-hp 6.2-liter supercharged HEMI Hellcat V-8, it is not simply a Hellcat engine with more boost. The Demon V-8 engine has 25 major component upgrades from the Hellcat engine, including supercharger, pistons, rods, valve train and fuel injection system.

    Among the changes, compared with the Hellcat V-8, the Demon’s supercharged V-8 features:

    • Larger supercharger: 2.7 liters versus 2.4 liters
    • Increased boost pressure: 14.5 psi versus 11.6 psi
    • Higher rpm limit: 6,500 rpm versus 6,200 rpm
    • Fuel: Two dual-stage fuel pumps versus one
    • Larger induction air box with three sources of intake air: Air-Grabber™ hood, driver-side Air-Catcher™ headlamp and an inlet near the wheel liner

    In addition, the HEMI Demon V-8 includes a high-speed valvetrain, strengthened connecting rods and pistons, and improved lubrication system. The upgrades enable the engine to sustain higher output and pressures while meeting FCA US LLC’s stringent durability requirements.
     
    One key to the Challenger SRT Demon’s best-ever power output is air – the supercharged Demon V-8 takes in plenty of it. The SRT Demon’s Air-Grabber™ hood includes the largest functional hood scoop (45.2 square inches) of any production car.
     
    The Air-Grabber™ hood is sealed to the air box, which is also fed from the driver-side Air-Catcher™ headlamp and an inlet near the wheel liner. Combined, those sources give the Demon V-8 an air-flow rate of 1,150 cubic feet per minute, 18 percent greater than the Hellcat V-8 and the largest air induction volume of any production car.
     
    The additional air inlets help reduce the temperature of the intake air by more than 30 degrees Fahrenheit compared with the Hellcat V-8, which improves overall throttle response.
     
    Heat is the enemy of speed at the drag strip, so Dodge//SRT engineers looked for more ways to keep the intake air as close to the optimum temperature as possible.
     
    The innovative SRT Power Chiller™ is a production car first. It diverts the air-conditioning refrigerant from the SRT Demon’s interior to a chiller unit mounted by the low-temperature circuit coolant pump. Charge air coolant, after being cooled by ambient air passing through a low-temperature radiator at the front of the vehicle, flows through the chiller unit, where it is further cooled. The chilled coolant then flows to the heat exchangers in the supercharger.
     
    Every run down the drag strip generates plenty of heat. The After-Run Chiller, a factory-production car first, helps the SRT Demon get ready for the next run as quickly as possible.
     
    When the engine is shut down, the After-Run Chiller keeps the engine cooling fan and low-temperature circuit coolant pump running to lower the supercharger/charge air cooler temperature, helping the Challenger SRT Demon minimize heat soak effects. The driver can track the supercharger coolant temperature on the 8.4-inch Uconnect touchscreen in the instrument panel, and know in real time when the supercharger is at the optimum temperature for another run.
     
    The impact of the SRT Power Chiller™ and After-Run Chiller, combined, lowers intake air temperature by up to 45 degrees Fahrenheit.

    Fueling performance: 100+ unleaded high octane
    The Challenger SRT Demon is the first-ever, street-legal factory-production car designed to run on 100+ unleaded high-octane fuel. That fuel is readily available at select gas stations, specialty shops and drag strips.
     
    The keys to unleashing the SRT Demon’s full performance fury are in the Demon Crate: Direct Connection Performance Parts include a new powertrain control module calibrated for the high-octane unleaded fuel and a new switch bank for the center stack that includes a high-octane button.
     
    The SRT Demon leaves the factory with a powertrain control module configured for 91-octane premium unleaded pump gasoline, which delivers top level performance.
     
    The switch to the Direct Connection controller enables the supercharged HEMI engine to extract the maximum power from the knock-resistant fuel at high pressures and optimum spark timing. Drag racers can anticipate improvements in elapsed times (ETs) and trap speeds with the high-octane fuel.
     
    The Challenger SRT Demon is engineered to be able to run on a mix of 100+ octane and premium unleaded fuels without hurting the engine, but the high-octane function won’t activate if the combined fuel octane is too low. A message in the gauge display tells the driver the car will use the premium fuel calibration until the engine is shut off and restarted. How does the car know? The controller monitors the engine’s knock sensors.
     
    There will be plenty of fuel available: the SRT Demon carries dual fuel pumps (versus one pump in the Challenger SRT Hellcat), larger fuel injectors and fuel lines that handle higher pressures.
     
    Similar to the Challenger SRT Hellcat, the SRT Demon comes with two key fobs. The black fob limits engine output to 500 horsepower. The red key fob unlocks the engine’s full output of 808 horsepower and 717 pounds-feet torque. With either key fob, the driver can activate Eco and Valet Modes. Eco Mode revises the transmission shift schedule to include second-gear starts. Valet Mode limits the engine to 4,000 rpm and reduces torque output.
     
    The high-octane unleaded fuel capability with the optional Direct Connection powertrain controller boosts engine output to 840 horsepower and 770 pounds-feet of torque.

    TransBrake is a production car first
    Every Dodge Challenger SRT Demon is equipped with the standard TorqueFlite 8HP90 eight-speed automatic transmission. Already a proven and robust gearbox used with the HEMI Hellcat V-8, the transmission gets some significant changes for duty in the Challenger SRT Demon.
     
    Internal changes include an upgraded torque converter that delivers an 18 percent increase in torque multiplication. Also, the stall speed is increased 11 percent and the lockup speed is increased.
     
    The Challenger SRT Demon is the first-ever, factory-production car with TransBrake, which locks the transmission output shaft to hold the car in place before a standing start. This lets the driver increase engine speed up to 2,350 rpm without overpowering the brakes, resulting in quicker power delivery and up to 15 percent more torque at launch.
     
    Driver-oriented step-by-step instructions are displayed on the instrument cluster to guide the driver through the staging process and help them keep their focus on the Christmas Tree.
     
    The TransBrake helps to improve driver reaction time and launch consistency by using the steering wheel paddle shifters as a launch trigger – a paddle launch improves reaction time by 30 percent compared with a foot-brake launch. In addition, the system enables delivery of initial torque to the flywheel as soon as 20 milliseconds after launch.
     
    TransBrake works in conjunction with another SRT Demon first-ever factory-production car feature, Torque Reserve, to deliver increased levels of power and torque at launch.
     
    Torque Reserve becomes active once engine speed passes 950 rpm. It does two things:

    • Closes the bypass valve, “prefilling” the supercharger with boost
    • Manages fuel flow to cylinders and manages spark advance or retard to balance engine rpm and torque

    With TransBrake and Torque Reserve active, the SRT Demon has more than 8 psi of boost at launch and up to 120 percent more engine torque than without Torque Reserve. TransBrake also preloads the driveline with torque, leading to full engine torque delivery at the rear wheels 150 milliseconds after the shift paddle is released. That results in faster acceleration at launch, faster 60-foot times and an improvement of more than a tenth of a second in quarter-mile times, which can be an entire car length.
     
    Driveline components have been upgraded to get all that power and torque to the rear wheels, on every run.
     
    Changes include:

    • Upgraded prop shaft with a 15 percent increase in torque capacity. The prop shaft uses high-strength steel. Shaft tube thickness increases by 20 percent and the stub shafts are heat treated for enhanced durability
    • The rear differential housing has 30 percent more torque capacity. The housing is made from heat-treated A383 aluminum alloy. New material for the gear set has higher fatigue strength, with a deeper case hardening depth and two-step shot-peening manufacturing process to increase compressive residual stress
    • The rear half shafts are larger in diameter; use a high-strength, low-alloy steel; and have 41 splines (up from 38), delivering a 20 percent increase in torque capacity. Eight-ball joints handle more torque, while reducing operating temperatures by more than 86 degrees Fahrenheit

    Production car first: Drag-mode Launch Assist
    SRT engineers went digital to isolate and resolve one of the biggest challenges to clean launches and driveline integrity – wheel hop.

    In simple terms, wheel hop happens when tires quickly slip and regain traction at launch, rapidly storing up and releasing energy in the driveline. These high torque spikes can quickly and severely damage driveline components – and up until now, the only solution was to back out of the throttle.
     
    Not with the Challenger SRT Demon. In a first for a factory-production car, the SRT Demon’s Launch Assist uses the wheel speed sensors to watch for signs that the tires are slipping/sticking. If slip is detected, the SRT Demon’s control module momentarily reduces engine torque to maximize traction almost instantly – without the driver having to lift. Launch Assist reduces loads in the driveline from wheel hop by more than 15-20 percent, dramatically reducing component damage.

    Production car first: Street-legal drag tires
    The Challenger SRT Demon is equipped with a set of four standard Nitto NT05R street-legal, drag-race tires, a first for a factory-production car.
     
    The 315/40R18 tires were specifically designed and developed exclusively for the SRT Demon, with a new compound and specific tire sidewall construction. The drag radials give the SRT Demon a 15-percent larger tire contact patch and more than twice the grip of the Challenger SRT Hellcat.
     
    The sticky drag tires are mounted on lightweight 11x18-inch wheels, with each tire measuring 12.6 inches wide. Putting full-size tires at all four corners gives drag racers an extra set of rear tires when the front tires are replaced with narrow front-runners at the track.
     
    A unique rear knuckle reduces negative camber by 0.5 degrees, “standing up” the tire and increasing the size of the tire contact patch.

    Engineering: More traction, less weight
    The main mission of the 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon is to cover the quarter mile as quickly as possible. To do this, it combines the best of both mechanical and electronic tuning to deliver maximum launch grip while still maintaining precision directional control.
     
    The Bilstein Adaptive Damping shocks have been tuned for drag racing, shifting as much weight as possible on the rear tires at launch for maximum traction. The weight transfer improves rear tire grip by 11 percent.
     
    Mechanically, weight shift in the Challenger SRT Demon is aided by softening up some key suspension components. Those changes, compared with the Challenger SRT Hellcat, include:

    • Softer springs: 35 percent lower rate front/28 percent lower rate rear
    • Softer, lighter, hollow sway bars: 75 percent lower rate front/44 percent lower rate rear

    When Drag Mode is activated, the front Bilstein shocks are set for firm compression and soft rebound damping, while the rear Bilstein shocks are set for firm compression and firm rebound damping.
     
    That configuration is maintained as long as the car runs at wide open throttle. When the driver backs off the gas pedal, the system switches to firm compression and firm rebound front and rear for improved handling. 
     
    Also during Drag Mode, the traction control system is disabled to enable the rear wheels to spin for a burnout, but the electronic stability control system remains engaged to help the driver with straight-line performance.
     
    In pursuit for every tenth of a second, engineers looked to cut as much weight as possible. The result: Equipment removed from the Challenger SRT Demon weighs more than 200 pounds.
     
    How the weight was lost:

    • 58 pounds: Removed front passenger seat and belt
    • 55 pounds: Removed rear seat, restraints and floor mats
    • 24 pounds: Removed 16 audio speakers, amplifier and associated wiring
    • 20 pounds: Removed trunk deck cover trim, carpeting, spare tire cover
    • 19 pounds: Used smaller, hollow sway bars
    • 18 pounds: Removed mastic, body deadeners, insulators and foam
    • 16 pounds: Used lightweight all-aluminum four-piston brake caliper and smaller, 360-mm two-piece rotor
    • 16 pounds: Switched to lightweight wheels and open-end lug nuts
    • 4 pounds: Switched to manual tilt/telescope steering column
    • 2 pounds: Removed park sensors and module

    Buyers have the option to add back the front passenger seat, rear seats and trunk carpeting kit for $1 each. Other options include the Harman Kardon 19-speaker, 900-watt audio system, power sunroof, heated and ventilated leather front seats with heated steering wheel, painted Satin Black hood, or new painted Satin Black hood, roof and decklid package.

    Dual personalities: Performance Pages and Drive Modes
    The 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon gives the driver the capability to set up the car for on-road precision, maximum drag strip performance or anything in between.
     
    The nerve center for those personalities is SRT Performance Pages and Drive Modes, displayed on the Uconnect 8.4-inch touchscreen.
     
    Performance Pages arm the driver with real-time data, including a graphic display of engine horsepower and torque with gear changes plotted; supercharger coolant temperature; timers for reaction time, 0-60 miles per hour (mph), 0-100 mph, eighth-mile and quarter-mile elapsed time and vehicle speed; instantaneous and peak longitudinal and lateral g-forces; and gauge readouts for engine oil temperature and pressure, coolant temperature, transmission fluid temperature, intake air temperature, air-fuel ratio; intercooler coolant temperature, boost pressure and battery voltage.
     
    The Drive Modes include the Challenger SRT Demon-exclusive Drag Mode. Drive Mode settings include Auto (Street) Mode, which sets the Bilstein Adaptive Damping Suspension (ADS) for comfortable ride with compliant handling, and Custom Mode, which lets the driver select between Auto and Drag Mode configurations for the transmission, paddle shifters, traction, suspension and steering.

    Auto (Street) Mode options:

    • Engine output level is set based on which Demon key is in the vehicle  
    • If red key is present, the power level can be set per customer preference
    • Transmission, suspension and steering default to Auto Mode (Street)
    • Customers can set suspension and steering preference
    • Electronic Stability Control defaults to full on
    • Paddle shifters can be turned on or off per customer preference
    • Eco mode is available only in Auto Mode

    Drag Mode options:

    • TorqueFlite eight-speed transmission runs a calibration optimized for acceleration
    • Electronic Stability Control is optimized for straight-line acceleration
    • Suspension calibration changes to full firm in rear and firm compression/soft rebound in front
    • Paddle shifters are turned on
    • Steering is set to Drag Mode for high-speed stability
    • Cabin cooling diverted to SRT Power Chiller™
    • Torque converter lockup point is raised in Drag Mode
    • TransBrake is available in Drag Mode only

    Custom Mode options:

    • Nearly every combination of options available in Auto (Street) or Drag can be configured in the Custom Mode. For example, a driver could select the elements of Drag Mode related to engine and transmission performance, but could select Sport Mode for the suspension and steering, providing the on-road driving dynamics of a Challenger SRT Hellcat

    When equipped with the Direction Connection Performance Parts powertrain control module, the driver can use 100+ high-octane unleaded fuel in any drive mode.

    Drivers can also select line lock, which engages the front brakes to hold the Challenger SRT Demon stationary but leaves the rear wheels free for a burnout to heat up and clean the rear tires. The system will also let the driver perform a controlled rolling burnout. The system engages for up to 400 rear wheel revolutions.
     
    Performance Pages also includes rpm-adjustable launch control and by-individual-gear-adjustable shift light displayed in the instrument cluster.  A new data recorder feature lets the Challenger SRT Demon driver build an archive of data to help optimize the car for track and weather conditions, while helping to improve driving techniques.
     
    Eco and Valet Modes are accessed in the Performance Pages. When Valet Mode is activated, engine horsepower is reduced and rpm is limited to 4,000. Also, certain performance features, such as steering wheel paddle shifters and Launch Control, are disabled. The driver can activate and de-activate Valet Mode with a four-digit PIN code they create.

    Functional and Intimidating Design
    The 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon is the widest Challenger ever and first-ever, factory-production muscle car with wide-body fender flares.
     
    The wide body flares are designed to amplify the Challenger SRT Demon’s menacing stance, while making room for wider tires with concealed attachments. The fender flares, which cover the lightweight 18x11-inch wheels with exclusive, specifically designed Demon-branded 315/40R18 Nitto NT05R drag radial tires front and rear; add 3.5 inches to the Challenger SRT Demon’s overall width. The front side marker lights are styled to flow with the shape of the fender flares.
     
    The entire chassis is e-coated for durability before final assembly.
     
    Additional defining exterior features include the wide Air-Grabber™ hood scoop – the largest functional hood scoop (45.2 square inches) of any production car – and new Demon logos flanking each fender.
     
    The driver is the focus in the interior of the Challenger SRT Demon, as it is for every model in the Challenger lineup.
     
    Both the front passenger seat and rear seat, along with their corresponding seat belts, are deleted in the standard configuration of the Challenger SRT Demon.
     
    Customers have the option of adding seats into the car, as well as adding leather coverings, when it is ordered. The front seat(s) have the Demon head logo stitched or embossed into the seat back.
     
    Seating configurations:

    • Driver seat only, premium cloth covered
    • Driver and front passenger seat, premium cloth covered
    • Driver and front passenger seat, Laguna leather and Alcantara suede covered
    • Driver, front passenger and rear seats, Laguna leather and Alcantara suede covered

    Facing the driver is a flat-bottom SRT Performance steering wheel wrapped in Alcantara with paddle shifters. The SRT white-face gauges include a 200-mph speedometer and flank the 7-inch thin-film transistor (TFT) cluster display screen. A custom carbon fiber instrument panel badge with “Demon” script is located on the outboard vent and signifies the build sequence number.
     
    A new four-point harness bar, available through Speedlogix, is available for use at the track. Mounting points for the bar are accessible, making it easy for customers to install without cutting or drilling anything.
     
    Standard cloth seats include Ballistic II inserts with silver embroidered Demon head logo in the seat backs. An optional Laguna Leather Package includes leather covered seats and trim with embossed Demon head logo. 
     
    The 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon will be available 14 exterior colors: B5 Blue, Billet Silver, Destroyer Grey, F8 Green, Go Mango, Granite Crystal, Indigo Blue, Maximum Steel, Octane Red, Pitch Black, Plum Crazy, TorRed, White Knuckle and Yellow Jacket. 
     
    All exterior colors are available with Satin Black hood, roof and decklid.

    Demon Crate Carrying Exclusive Components
    The Demon Crate, available to buyers of the Dodge Challenger SRT Demon, contains components that fully unleash the car’s potential at the drag strip and is fully customized with the buyer’s name, VIN and serial number.

    The Demon Crate contains:

    • Direct Connection Performance Parts:
    • Performance powertrain control module with high-octane engine calibration
    • Replacement switch module containing high-octane button
    • Conical performance air filter
    • Passenger mirror block-off plate
    • Narrow, front-runner drag wheels
    • Demon-branded track tools:
    • Hydraulic floor jack with carrying bag
    • Cordless impact wrench with charger
    • Torque wrench with extension and socket
    • Tire pressure gauge
    • Fender cover
    • Tool bag
    • Foam case that fits into the SRT Demon trunk and securely holds the front runner wheels and track tools

    The Demon Crate is further customized with the buyer’s name, VIN and serial number.
     
    Production of the 2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon begins later this year at the Brampton (Ont.) Assembly plant.  
     
    The Challenger SRT Demon is covered by FCA US LLC’s factory warranty, including three-year/36,000-mile limited vehicle warranty and five-year/60,000-mile limited powertrain coverage.

     

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    5 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    I didn't even know it had a real definition...lol

    I haven't liked the new hood or the flares since pictures showed up a month or two ago. I understand they're functional and that part is awesome but they just don't look good to me. The Hellcat's hood looks perfect on that car, IMO.

    Don't feel bad. Most people think RICE was reserved for Japanese cars with non function add ons. 

    I'm with there. The non RICE Challenger Hellcat and its siblings look fine next to this Pep Boys Special Demon. For me, its mostly the stupid ass flares. The scoop, while still damn gaudy, can be overlooked. Those flare though....IMSA reject

     

     

      

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    12 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

    Don't feel bad. Most people think RICE was reserved for Japanese cars with non function add ons. 

    I'm with there. The non RICE Challenger Hellcat and its siblings look fine next to this Pep Boys Special Demon. For me, its mostly the stupid ass flares. The scoop, while still damn gaudy, can be overlooked. Those flare though....IMSA reject

     

     

      

    And if it was a Mustang with those flares for wider tires and the scoop for more airflow, you would be in love.  The more I see them, the more I like them and they really enhance the low and wide look. 

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    3 minutes ago, Stew said:

    And if it was a Mustang with those flares for wider tires and the scoop for more airflow, you would be in love.  The more I see them, the more I like them and they really enhance the low and wide look. 

    No I would. I even stated the GT350R wing isn't my cup of tea.

    And FYI, the R Model comes with 315's out back and NO need for IMSA leftover flares

     

     

     

     

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    1 minute ago, FordCosworth said:

    No I would. I even stated the GT350R wing isn't my cup of tea.

     

     

     

     

    You don't like function, that is great

     

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    You know you love those Stangs.  Not THOSE are truly hideous......

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    *SIGH*

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    Another gigantic wing on a Mustang

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    Yet another useless wing on a Mustang with ground effects...especially when an LX was FASTER!!!

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    This one is channeling its inner ricer PONTIAC TRANS AM

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    Complete with Trans Am engine turned dash

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    But the thing is....MUSCLE CARS ARE RICE!!!!

    What I wanted to point out is that from 2016 to 2012 to 2001 to 1990 to 1976, the Mustang sells to the adolescent crowd because well.....MUSCLE CAR!!!

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    Scoops, air vents, racing stripes, wings....functional or not, part of the Muscle Car persona....

    So...

    GTFO with that SHYTE @FordCosworth

    PS...I KNOW YOU LOVE THIS CAR....AS YOU SHOULD!!! ITS A BEAST!!! GREAT ENGINE!!!

    BUT THAT WING, BRAH!!!

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    SO...I REPEAT....GTFO WITH THAT SHYTE!!!

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    5 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    your point was charge times. I got that. That's a ridiculous comparison.

     

    I guess it all depends on your definition of rediculous. My view of rediculous is spending 130,000+dollars on something that to be honest has a limited use. You can't honestly tell me you would take one on a road trip. What happens if you can't find a place to recharge the battery? That leaves an expensive work commuter, but your ego will get a boost when all the eggheads at the office ohhh and ahhh your high dollar tinker toy. Or, you can go to the track every weekend and show off your ludicris mode, but make sure you use care not to overheat the car or it will shut down or...

    The Tesla is a great car for people with huge egos and small...

     

     

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    Pretty badass. I figured the car would end up somewhere around the 850 mark. They'll be collectible items for sure. Sadly, that's primarily all that will buy them- collectors.

     

    As for the performance, yes, the thing is stupid fast in a straight line. Don't even begin to try to make a case for this car's handling, though. Drag radials, spring rates set up for launching, undersized sway bars, lopsided weight distribution, etc. This thing is going to handle like a city bus.

    If I were stupid rich, one of these would certainly find its way into my garage. In purple, please.

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    13 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

    Thanks for the attack.

    You GTFO here with that SHYTE. 

    Looks are subjective. 

     

     

    Not in your case....you hold other car makers other than Ford to different standards!

    The Ford Mustang is the EPITOME of RICE in the Muscle Car world!

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    Yet somehow, the DEMON bothers you???!!!  AND THE VETTE AS YOU DID THIS RICER TIRADE WITH THE VETTE TOO!!!

    GTFO!!!

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    9 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

    Pretty badass. I figured the car would end up somewhere around the 850 mark. They'll be collectible items for sure. Sadly, that's primarily all that will buy them- collectors.

     

    As for the performance, yes, the thing is stupid fast in a straight line. Don't even begin to try to make a case for this car's handling, though. Drag radials, spring rates set up for launching, undersized sway bars, lopsided weight distribution, etc. This thing is going to handle like a city bus.

    If I were stupid rich, one of these would certainly find its way into my garage. In purple, please.

    @FordCosworth @FAPTurbo and everyone else that disses the Demon for whatever reason...

    THIS is what REAL car guys say about the Demon....

    Anything  what @FordCosworth and @FAPTurbo had to say is just pure TROLLING!!!!

    It aint opinion, it aint even hatred of the machine, its just pure TROLLING!!!

    May I say to you:

    JUST GROW THE PHOQUE UP!!!!

    LET IT BE KNOWN...BOTH ARE FROM  VANCOUVER B.C.

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    55 minutes ago, Stew said:

    You don't like function, that is great

     

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    You know you love those Stangs.  Not THOSE are truly hideous......

    Those look so terrible...

    21 minutes ago, LostinNewMexico said:

    I guess it all depends on your definition of rediculous. My view of rediculous is spending 130,000+dollars on something that to be honest has a limited use. You can't honestly tell me you would take one on a road trip. What happens if you can't find a place to recharge the battery? That leaves an expensive work commuter, but your ego will get a boost when all the eggheads at the office ohhh and ahhh your high dollar tinker toy. Or, you can go to the track every weekend and show off your ludicris mode, but make sure you use care not to overheat the car or it will shut down or...

    The Tesla is a great car for people with huge egos and small...

     

     

    And you'd road trip the Demon?!?! 

    Tesla has a service built in to find their supercharger stations. If you decide to stray that far away from them, that's your own fault. 

    A drag strip special(while insane in its own way) is more of a one trick pony than a family sedan. 

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    I like the Demon's looks.  Over the top muscle car.  The fender flares look great, a neat retro touch ala the Aspen/Volare Super Coupe package.   

    Comparisons to the Tesla Model S are pointless; different types of cars for different buyers and different use cases. 

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    28 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    @FordCosworth @FAPTurbo and everyone else that disses the Demon for whatever reason...

    THIS is what REAL car guys say about the Demon....

    Anything  what @FordCosworth and @FAPTurbo had to say is just pure TROLLING!!!!

    It aint opinion, it aint even hatred of the machine, its just pure TROLLING!!!

    May I say to you:

    JUST GROW THE PHOQUE UP!!!!

    LET IT BE KNOWN...BOTH ARE FROM  VANCOUVER B.C.

    It is my opinion. You're the one trolling and attacking. 

    Its you that needs to " grow the phoque up. ". 

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    1 minute ago, FordCosworth said:

    It is my opinion. You're the one trolling and attacking. 

    Its you that needs to " grow the phoque up. ". 

    nope.

    You  a troll...always was.

    Now....Ive got a hockey game to watch. Our nation's capital versus the team I actually cheer for. Its an exciting game too!!!

    You are now free to troll away how the Demon and the Vette displeases you because RICE and tell us how the Mustang will outsell it...

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    Those look so terrible...

    And you'd road trip the Demon?!?! 

    Tesla has a service built in to find their supercharger stations. If you decide to stray that far away from them, that's your own fault. 

    A drag strip special(while insane in its own way) is more of a one trick pony than a family sedan. 

    No in all honesty I wouldn't want to road trip the Demon unless my options were limited, Not even sure about the Hellcat. I don't need that kind of power. but the truth is, it would be easier doing a road trip in a Demon or Hellcat than trying to plan a route that would guarantee charging station's to replenish a Tesla's battery. I think the Tesla is a fine auto but I don't have the resources to spend that kind of money for basically, a wet dream, and I doubt I would spend time at the track with one. 

    As far as Tesla's charging station's, You are still limited. How many are there and are they located in high population areas of the country or are they in rural areas too? I like to wonder and...Well...That's just the way it is.

    Different strokes as they say.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I like to get off the beaten path and travel down new areas I have never seen before. 

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    As far as Challengers go, the one I'd buy is a Challenger R/T w/ the Shaker package....the dealer had one in the showroom when I bought my GC a couple weeks ago, white w/ black scoop, red and black interior, manual.  Perfect...maybe I'll get one for my midlife crisis in 3 years when I hit an age milestone...

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    4 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    As far as Challengers go, the one I'd buy is a Challenger R/T w/ the Shaker package....the dealer had one in the showroom when I bought my GC a couple weeks ago, white w/ black scoop, red and black interior, manual.  Perfect...maybe I'll get one for my midlife crisis in 3 years when I hit an age milestone...

    Shaker's are cool. I thought about trading my RT for one in B5 blue but life had other ideas.

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    2 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

    *SIGH*

    shelby-mustang-gt500-super-snake.jpg

    Another gigantic wing on a Mustang

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    Yet another useless wing on a Mustang with ground effects...especially when an LX was FASTER!!!

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    This one is channeling its inner ricer PONTIAC TRANS AM

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    Complete with Trans Am engine turned dash

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    But the thing is....MUSCLE CARS ARE RICE!!!!

    What I wanted to point out is that from 2016 to 2012 to 2001 to 1990 to 1976, the Mustang sells to the adolescent crowd because well.....MUSCLE CAR!!!

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    Scoops, air vents, racing stripes, wings....functional or not, part of the Muscle Car persona....

    So...

    GTFO with that SHYTE @FordCosworth

    PS...I KNOW YOU LOVE THIS CAR....AS YOU SHOULD!!! ITS A BEAST!!! GREAT ENGINE!!!

    BUT THAT WING, BRAH!!!

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    SO...I REPEAT....GTFO WITH THAT SHYTE!!!

    Love those oldies Oldhurstolds. Great photos. Down the street from me there is a '68 442 convertible in blue metallic. They sure don't make them like that anymore. I still prefer vintage over new.

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    10 hours ago, Stew said:

    I wish some of you people that think this drives like an old musclecar that had no handling, would drive some stock old musclecars.........

    Stock old musclecars aren't exactly pleasant to drive...horrific ergonomics (fixed steering wheels, seats that only go fore/aft, random control placement, etc), single outside mirrors, primitive brakes, AM radios, etc... I've had experience driving cars such as my brother's '68 Camaro SS 396 and my own '69 Mustang 351 I inherited; they are fun for the occasional spin, but far too crude and unrefined for frequent use...modern muscle cars are refined enough to use as a daily driver...

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    20 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    Stock old musclecars aren't exactly pleasant to drive...horrific ergonomics (fixed steering wheels, seats that only go fore/aft, random control placement, etc), single outside mirrors, primitive brakes, AM radios, etc... I've had experience driving cars such as my brother's '68 Camaro SS 396 and my own '69 Mustang 351 I inherited; they are fun for the occasional spin, but far too crude and unrefined for frequent use...modern muscle cars are refined enough to use as a daily driver...

    I guess we all have a different view, but I love driving my '71 Challenger. I drove it cross country once and it was a blast. Yeah, not as comfy as my '09 but still fun. I don't think they are as bad as people make them out to be.

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    I think Motor Trend summed this up well. 

    While they like the car and the numbers and who wouldn't the true is still there. 

    What possesses an automaker to invest time, energy, and passion into a low-volume car for a limited customer base when there are so many ways to spend money on future products? To stand out from the pack, become a talking point, and raise awareness for a brand that had lost its way and was sliding under the radar until executives at Fiat Chrysler Automobiles decided to go big or go home.

    First they unleashed the Hellcat, which put 707 horses and 650 lb-ft of torque under the hood of some large sedans that were getting long in the tooth. People took notice. Awareness spiked. Hellcat sales are low volume, but Scat Pack sales jumped from less than 1 percent to 17 percent of Challenger sales.

    Dodge is doubling down with the Demon, a car with even more horsepower and torque that can drive to the track and then unleash all its power once it gets there. “Sometimes you need to ignore the data, disregard the focus groups, and build a car that can define itself,” says Dodge President Tim Kuniskis. “A lot of halos don’t have the greatest business cases.” The goal of the Demon is to be the fastest, to make everyone talk about Dodge, and to stretch the boundaries of the brand at a time when everyone is talking about emotionless, driverless pods. Kuniskis’ goal: tattoo the Dodge name into the subconscious of every performance enthusiast and draw people into the showroom where they might leave with another Dodge.

     

    I agree with this fully. It should be able to do this job. But it also is a sad statement on the status of Dodge under Fiat. This is kind of like the Hail Mary Pontiac put up in the 80's to beat Olds to the death sentence. 

    Basically they built a street legal Cobra Jet and COPO. While the others can be raced as they are delivered this one can't. But while the others are not street legal this one is. 

    All I know is Dodge has played their last card as what else can they do remove the fenders for less weight. 

    What worries me is the longer they delay bringing a new car the more risk there is for Dodge. I really think unless Fiat gets a partner who really holds an interest in these cars they may be on their way out. It is getting harder to justify sales of a large coupe like this unless it has global sales and even then will they be enough. Ford and GM are about to find out. 

    And Stew I do not hate this car. It will hold a special place like the Hemi Darts in auto history. But I do really hate the tacked on fender flairs. They really should have done proper fenders or had the stock ones flared out to blend in better. Even if they were fiber glass. 

    I really think we had better enjoy all these cars while we can. the future gens really show little interest and the government and others do want us in autonomous pods. I hope we can hang on as long as i drive but I think we are finally seeing the end of real V8 powered performance coupes that are easily affordable coming to an end. Sure we will have some left but they will not be cheap and they will not be plentiful. 

    Sorry for the downer but that is really hanging out there. 

    13 minutes ago, LostinNewMexico said:

    I guess we all have a different view, but I love driving my '71 Challenger. I drove it cross country once and it was a blast. Yeah, not as comfy as my '09 but still fun. I don't think they are as bad as people make them out to be.

    I have owned many of these cars. They area blast to drive and they have their own personality.

    But compared to the modern day coupes they really suck at about everything but go.  While that is a negative that also is their positive charm.  Much like driving a Model T. It sucks compared to todays car but the experience is special. Even the same can be said for a 50's Vette. There is a good and bad to all of them. 

    The one part I really do hate is brakes. having had a 1968 Chevelle SS with 4 wheel drum and standard brakes there were times you wondered if it was going to stop. I did add power brakes to it but the drums really suck. I could live with the no power steering but the brakes were useless even under new pads. 

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    1 hour ago, LostinNewMexico said:

    No in all honesty I wouldn't want to road trip the Demon unless my options were limited, Not even sure about the Hellcat. I don't need that kind of power. but the truth is, it would be easier doing a road trip in a Demon or Hellcat than trying to plan a route that would guarantee charging station's to replenish a Tesla's battery. I think the Tesla is a fine auto but I don't have the resources to spend that kind of money for basically, a wet dream, and I doubt I would spend time at the track with one. 

    As far as Tesla's charging station's, You are still limited. How many are there and are they located in high population areas of the country or are they in rural areas too? I like to wonder and...Well...That's just the way it is.

    Different strokes as they say.

     

    I like to get off the beaten path and travel down new areas I have never seen before. 

    Demon, no way. It will likely get the same 200ish range the Tesla gets with that power and I'm assuming a very short rear gear as well because of what it is. Hellcat, easily a good road trip car to be honest. It wouldn't be my first choice if we're getting 70k to spend on a road trip car but that's another story. 

    Uhhh I heard in the past year they expanded their charging stations from like 177 to 355(or somewhere in those ball park numbers). I know they've strategically placed them to make LA to NY trips, if I'm not wrong. 

    I do agree that where I live charging stations make EV not a truly viable option. If I'm buying something like that a Volt is what I'd realistically need. 

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    1 hour ago, LostinNewMexico said:

    Love those oldies Oldhurstolds. Great photos. Down the street from me there is a '68 442 convertible in blue metallic. They sure don't make them like that anymore. I still prefer vintage over new.

    Vintage over new for me too...

    But..restomodded and pro-toured for me.

    When numbers matching cars are concerned....I'd leave the engine alone, only suspension and brake upgrades for safety Id do.

    Clone cars is what Id resto-mod and pro-tour with LS crate engine swaps, or Coyote swaps or 6.4liter modern hemi swaps depending on the project car...

    A modern Challenger would just about be the ONLY pony car/muscle car that I prefer new over vintage. But then again, a vintage 1970 Challenger Hellcat or Demon restomod sounds god to me...

    Dynacorn shell body.

    Hellcat crate engine.

    Swartz performance chassis.

    Modern suspension and brembo brake upgrades and stuff. 

    Some fab work on the vintage hood to mimic modern Hellcat hood....

    Yup....vintage over new!!!

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    3 hours ago, FordCosworth said:

    Bye bye

    Hello.

    Boston Bruins 2

    Ottawa Senators 1

    Bruins take first game.

    So...has the Mustang outsold the Challenger (and the Camaro) for the month of March?

    You seem to have forgotten to show us in the sales thread for March...

    So....how are burnt LS7 valves doing in 2017? Yeah...your former name...

    Especially when my 1.6 liter ecoboosted Fusion is about to be recalled again for possible engine fires....again...

    Funny, you dont advertise fire hazard ecoboost anywhere in your sig or avatar...

    Yeah...tell us again how you are not a troll?

    Id leave this alone...but anytime GM or Mopar stumbles, you are there to pin point.

    Anytime Ford does something good, you gloat.

    Anytime GM or Mopar do something good, you try to negate.

    You know me well by now. I NEVER LET these kinds of things slide!!!

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    15 hours ago, ykX said:

    You guys must be dreaming or drunk to compare it to the Veyron.

    And I really do not think GM or Ford are worried, they have already excellent all around sports cars, not a one trick pony.

    This is no doubt a very cool car and I am sure collectors will snatch it, but it is only for drag strip performance, probably will be beat by Tesla, and even if it will be slightly faster doesn't make it a super car.  It is a cool classic muscle car, that will be great in straight line, that's about it.

    not drunk...I did say TRICK ENGINEERING.

    And yes. The engineering behind the Demon and the Veyron could be compared and contrasted.

    The Demon has some serious forces it needed to tame to make it livable for day to day duties as well as the strip. Same as the Veyron.

    Cooling is another factor on how VW and Mopar went about it...

    How both engines are strong to withstand all that combustion...

    Supercharging a V8 for one car to achieve 900 some odd horses on 100 octane or something like that while quadrupling turbos on a 16 cylinder producing 1000-1200 horsepower.

    Awd on one car and rwd on the other and the one with rwd manages to plant the rear tires to out accelerate the one with more horsepower, double the cylinder count, mid-engine and 4 wheel traction...

    One trick pony?

    Ill give you that...

    But Ill taketh away...

    We criticize a car that is knowingly and unabashedl strictly made for the quarter mile drag race?

    That is like criticizing a Harley Davidson chopper for not being a crotch rocket sport bike.

    That is like criticizing a Hayabusa for not being a Harley cruiser.

    A Demon is not a mid-engined exotic, nor does it pretend to be one.

    A Challenger has NOT dreamed about changing vocations like the Mustang and Camaro did...partly because the platform wont allow it and the Challenger desperately needs a new one...but...isnt what the Demon could do performance wise a testament to what the SRT/Mopar guys could do with such an old platform?

    Do we really need to be that negative towards the Demon and be all sour grapey and whine that the Ford, Chevy, Tesla boys need not worry because of other performance metrics?

    At the end of the day, this is still America, the Challenger, the Mustang, Camaro and Model S are still American cars and American icons and  reaching 1320 feet in the fastest time and highest speed s still THE performance metric...and as of now, the Demon holds that record...seats or no seats...

    And yes the Mustang and Camaro are great...

    So is the Demon.

    Could we not accept it for what it is???

    Like Frisky said, I too, if I was rich beyond belief, Id own 3.

    1 to be a garage queen.

    1 to be daily driven.

    1 to replace the daily driven one because I know Id be putting the Demon on a tree or a highway barrier because of that raw power...assuming Id survive to drive the 3rd Demon after said crash...

     

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    45 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    52 saves!!!

     

    Yeah we did not play very well but Allen was a monster in net. A lot of those saves were easy, long, slow shots but 52 is still nuts.

    Huge win on the road w/ OT though!

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    11 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Demon, no way. It will likely get the same 200ish range the Tesla gets with that power and I'm assuming a very short rear gear as well because of what it is. Hellcat, easily a good road trip car to be honest. It wouldn't be my first choice if we're getting 70k to spend on a road trip car but that's another story. 

    Uhhh I heard in the past year they expanded their charging stations from like 177 to 355(or somewhere in those ball park numbers). I know they've strategically placed them to make LA to NY trips, if I'm not wrong. 

    I do agree that where I live charging stations make EV not a truly viable option. If I'm buying something like that a Volt is what I'd realistically need. 

    Remember too, as the charge drops, so does the performance.  I would not want either on a road trip really.  Give me a Grand Cherokee Trackawk, room for everything and AWD for the nasty weather along with never losing power and being able to fill-up in 5 minutes at one o the many gas stations.  Sure, you would spend quite a bit in fuel, but this will be at least 20 to 30 grand cheaper than the Tesla.  the problem with the charging stations too, is that they are located around big cities, not much on the on highway and zero within probably hundreds of miles of here.  I love the demon, great weekend vehicle, not only because it is made for pure fun, but while I would put miles on it, I do not want to destroy (or give other drivers) an opening to destroy a very rare beast indeed.  With only 3000, unless you are an early order placer for more than one, you will be lucky to even get a shot at one and if it gets destroyed.........

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    1 hour ago, Stew said:

    Remember too, as the charge drops, so does the performance.  I would not want either on a road trip really.  Give me a Grand Cherokee Trackawk, room for everything and AWD for the nasty weather along with never losing power and being able to fill-up in 5 minutes at one o the many gas stations.  Sure, you would spend quite a bit in fuel, but this will be at least 20 to 30 grand cheaper than the Tesla.  the problem with the charging stations too, is that they are located around big cities, not much on the on highway and zero within probably hundreds of miles of here.  I love the demon, great weekend vehicle, not only because it is made for pure fun, but while I would put miles on it, I do not want to destroy (or give other drivers) an opening to destroy a very rare beast indeed.  With only 3000, unless you are an early order placer for more than one, you will be lucky to even get a shot at one and if it gets destroyed.........

     

    You are wrong regarding the charging stations. There are plenty and they are not just in big cites.

     

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    23 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

    Wait what???

    Did I read that correctly? Someone here thinks the 1 seat Demon/Daily Driver? 

    Ha!

    Maybe I should drink up some of that Liberal Kool Aid and help cloud my mind...

     

     

    Well, in all fairness... you can get a second seat for only $1.

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    4 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Touche'. Good point. $3 and no one had to drink this mythical kool aid. What a concept.

    You are wrong regarding the charging stations. There are plenty and they are not just in big cites.

     

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    That is VERY sparse........   Right around my area IS blank and you are right, but they appear only on SOME major interstates at best.  There are hundreds and hundreds of miles in places where you would not across one according to this map, and that is bad given the limited range and don' forget the amount of you have to wait, especially for a full charge.  give me  gold ice ICE right now until they are doing a MUCH better job. 

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    Just now, Stew said:

    That is VERY sparse........   Right around my area IS blank and you are right, but they appear only on SOME major interstates at best.  There are hundreds and hundreds of miles in places where you would not across one according to this map, and that is bad given the limited range and don' forget the amount of you have to wait, especially for a full charge.  give me  gold ice ICE right now until they are doing a MUCH better job. 

    Sparse wasn't the issue you presented though. You said they were only in the big cities and this map shows that is not true. They are growing by the month as well so plenty more are coming. You have to start some where, after all and starting on major interstate routes is the right way to start it. 

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    There is a bit o truth to what I said.  they are not in the areas of smaller communities and towns, but mostly in or around big cities with some interstates and enough holes it wtill makes it impractical.

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    1 minute ago, Stew said:

     

    There is a bit o truth to what I said.  they are not in the areas of smaller communities and towns, but mostly in or around big cities with some interstates and enough holes it wtill makes it impractical.

    As dfelt, showed below, there are thousands of other charging stations not owned by Tesla to help fill the void. 

    1 minute ago, dfelt said:

    Back to the Demo,

    It will be interesting to see how these are bought and especially how many pay back the $3 dollars for the full package?

    I have a love/hate with the Demon. I love the fact that it aopologizes for nothing. I hate that this comes off as a desperate last gasp by FCA in regards to Dodge. Hopefully I'm wrong but that's what it seems like to me. 

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    Just now, Stew said:

    That is VERY sparse........   Right around my area IS blank and you are right, but they appear only on SOME major interstates at best.  There are hundreds and hundreds of miles in places where you would not across one according to this map, and that is bad given the limited range and don' forget the amount of you have to wait, especially for a full charge.  give me  gold ice ICE right now until they are doing a MUCH better job. 

    Coupla things... Yes they're sparce in areas but they've made it a point to be able to cross the country  which it appears there are a handful of ways to do that from the map. It isn't perfect but they're adding on every day and expanding their network.

    According to C/D's year with their P85D the range was much lower than rated, for what it's worth. At least on the interstate only trips.

    Time isn't all that bad as every couple of hours of driving getting out for 30-45 minutes to charge isn't the worst. But like C/D said, a trip that involves 2-3 stops is fine but any more than that and it gets tedious and that sounds about accurate.

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    9 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    I have a love/hate with the Demon. I love the fact that it aopologizes for nothing. I hate that this comes off as a desperate last gasp by FCA in regards to Dodge. Hopefully I'm wrong but that's what it seems like to me. 

    I agree, I also wonder if this is the last big Hurrah before Dodge starts a slow death spiral.

    1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

    Coupla things... Yes they're sparce in areas but they've made it a point to be able to cross the country  which it appears there are a handful of ways to do that from the map. It isn't perfect but they're adding on every day and expanding their network.

    According to C/D's year with their P85D the range was much lower than rated, for what it's worth. At least on the interstate only trips.

    Time isn't all that bad as every couple of hours of driving getting out for 30-45 minutes to charge isn't the worst. But like C/D said, a trip that involves 2-3 stops is fine but any more than that and it gets tedious and that sounds about accurate.

    Remember it is healthy to get out of the auto and move around. So think of the charging as exercise stops for your body while charging up the auto.

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    12 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Yes Tesla is one source but then there are plenty more charging points.

    http://westcoastgreenhighway.com/

    This sit sponsored and paid by the EPA shows electric nation wide of all levels.

    NationalElectricChargers.jpg

    Tesla is the only one that charges at extremely fast rates though. All of those other ones double to triple our time waiting. No bueno. Buuuuuut in my real world scenario, I wouldn't need to charge outside of my own home unless I was road tripping. I can't remember the last time I drove more than 200 miles in a single day. I think when I bought my Focus was actually the last time and that was about 95 miles in each direction but I obviously drove more than just there that day.

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    8 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    As dfelt, showed below, there are thousands of other charging stations not owned by Tesla to help fill the void. 

    I have a love/hate with the Demon. I love the fact that it aopologizes for nothing. I hate that this comes off as a desperate last gasp by FCA in regards to Dodge. Hopefully I'm wrong but that's what it seems like to me. 

    There are still lots of holes there that simply do not exist with ptrol.  they still have a long way to o.

     

    And this is hardly a last gasp or Dodge, more like one iof he last gasps for the LX platform.  Dodge sales were actually up last month, the Journey is selling reat, the Challenger is riht there with the Camaro in sales, and the Charge is one of, if not the best selling fullsize car.  And to prove the point the new minivan should have been a Dodge, he old Caravan sold over 14k models compared to less than 10k for the Pacific.  Hint, the age of platforms don't mean $h! to companies or he average consumer, what numbers is making money, and I can guarantee you they are making money from Dodge.  i still think the brand CHrysler is short for the world......  WTF do ou hink W-bodies, Panthers, Fox bodies, etc, etc stayed on the market for so long and Ford still uses an old platform fom the late 90s for some of it's best sellers......

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    3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Remember it is healthy to get out of the auto and move around. So think of the charging as exercise stops for your body while charging up the auto.

    If I'm on an actually long road trip I just want to get there ASAP though. Healthy or not... get me to my damn destination!

    Just now, Stew said:

    And this is hardly a last gasp or Dodge

    Ehhhhh....

    1 minute ago, Stew said:

    and the Charge is one of, if not the best selling fullsize car. 

    In the fastest shrinking segment.

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    1 minute ago, Stew said:

    There are still lots of holes there that simply do not exist with ptrol.  they still have a long way to o.

     

    And this is hardly a last gasp or Dodge, more like one iof he last gasps for the LX platform.  Dodge sales were actually up last month, the Journey is selling reat, the Challenger is riht there with the Camaro in sales, and the Charge is one of, if not the best selling fullsize car.  And to prove the point the new minivan should have been a Dodge, he old Caravan sold over 14k models compared to less than 10k for the Pacific.  Hint, the age of platforms don't mean $h! to companies or he average consumer, what numbers is making money, and I can guarantee you they are making money from Dodge.  i still think the brand CHrysler is short for the world......  WTF do ou hink W-bodies, Panthers, Fox bodies, etc, etc stayed on the market for so long and Ford still uses an old platform fom the late 90s for some of it's best sellers......

    You are clearly not looking at both maps. Most people would not have an issue with the current set up that will only grow as time passes. 

    2 minutes ago, Stew said:

    There are still lots of holes there that simply do not exist with ptrol.  they still have a long way to o.

     

    And this is hardly a last gasp or Dodge, more like one iof he last gasps for the LX platform.  Dodge sales were actually up last month, the Journey is selling reat, the Challenger is riht there with the Camaro in sales, and the Charge is one of, if not the best selling fullsize car.  And to prove the point the new minivan should have been a Dodge, he old Caravan sold over 14k models compared to less than 10k for the Pacific.  Hint, the age of platforms don't mean $h! to companies or he average consumer, what numbers is making money, and I can guarantee you they are making money from Dodge.  i still think the brand CHrysler is short for the world......  WTF do ou hink W-bodies, Panthers, Fox bodies, etc, etc stayed on the market for so long and Ford still uses an old platform fom the late 90s for some of it's best sellers......

    I love the LX cars but they are selling better becuase of an increase in fleet sales. Feel free to look that up. The other cars you mentioned, like the Panther series, stayed on that long for the same reasons why the LX continues on, fleet market. 

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    3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Tesla is the only one that charges at extremely fast rates though. All of those other ones double to triple our time waiting. No bueno. Buuuuuut in my real world scenario, I wouldn't need to charge outside of my own home unless I was road tripping. I can't remember the last time I drove more than 200 miles in a single day. I think when I bought my Focus was actually the last time and that was about 95 miles in each direction but I obviously drove more than just there that day.

    Same issue here, with both types of charging stations, is my area is bare.  I still prefer the piece of mind of ICE on a road trip and I have been known to spend 4 hours or more on the road before i stop and then only long enough to visit the RR and grab a bite. 

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    The Charger is the best selling CAR to law enforcement, second only to the Explorer.  That alone is enouh reason to keep it around.  hell, GM brought over the Caprice ONLY for law enforcement duty and it sold, even just to police fleets, in MUCH smaller numbers.  The new platform is coming to Dodge, they wouldn't have even been able to do Alfa if the Amortization of costs by  sharing with Dodge and Jeep.  i mean, it is done, the LX replacements are DEFINITELY coming, it has been confirmed and it has to as part of Alfa's health.  Remember, everything in the auto industry takes years and tears.  The new 18 Camry is actually the first 100% new one since 2002 and it is fine as people buy it.  People need to open up their eyes and quit attacking manufacturers for no reason to.  Just because Dodge chose a different direction with their top dog than others does NOT mean that they are dying.  It has been said many times over the years and EVERYTIME Dodge bounces back stronger than ever.  Not that they really need to bounce back because their sales are MORE than strong enough to be profitable......

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    15 minutes ago, Stew said:

    Same issue here, with both types of charging stations, is my area is bare.  I still prefer the piece of mind of ICE on a road trip and I have been known to spend 4 hours or more on the road before i stop and then only long enough to visit the RR and grab a bite. 

    I can understand that but then there are just as many people who do not mind multiple stops and only doing a couple of 200 mile stretches a day.

    The charging maps cover all 4 types of charging and yes Tesla has Extrem Fast Charging, then you have level3 or DC charging, Level 2 and Level 1 home charging.

    The maps tend to cover Level 2 - 4 for the most part.

    With that said, I get it that Kentucky is a bit behind much like Montana.

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    1 minute ago, dfelt said:

    I can understand that but then there are just as many people who do not mind multiple stops and only doing a couple of 200 mile stretches a day.

    The charging maps cover all 4 types of charging and yes Tesla has Extrem Fast Charging, then you have level3 or DC charging, Level 2 and Level 1 home charging.

    The maps tend to cover Level 2 - 4 for the most part.

    With that said, I get it that Kentucky is a bit behind much like Montana.

    KentuckyEVStations.jpg

    Kentucky is a bit behind in everything so I digress there.  

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