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    Cadillac Fully Unveils The CT5 Sedan

      ...recasts the American mid-sized luxury sedan...


    large.2020-Cadillac-CT5-PremiumLuxury-029.jpgCadillac fully unveiled the Cadillac CT5 sedan ahead of the New York International Auto Show today.   We had seen a preview of the CT5 a few weeks ago, but today, Cadillac gives us the full release.

    Laden with modern technology, Cadillac will be introducing their SuperCruise self-driving system to the segment. SuperCruise is the first truly hands-free system for limited-access highways. Safety features include Safety Alert Seat, Rear Camera Mirror with zoom and tilt adjustment, Forward Collision Alert, Low Speed Forward Automatic Emergency Braking, and Front Pedestrian Braking.  Available additional packages include Advanced Adaptive Cruise Control, Enhanced Forward Automatic Emergency Braking, Automatic Parking Assist with Braking, HD Surround Vision with Recorder, Rear Pedestrian Detection and Alert, and Reverse Automatic Braking.

    large.2020-Cadillac-CT5-PremiumLuxury-010.jpgThe base engine is a twin-scroll 2.0T with 237 horsepower and 258 lb-ft of torque routed through a 10-speed automatic to the rear or all wheels.  Optional will be a 3.0 liter twin-turbo producing 335 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque from 2400-4400 RPM.  Both engines have active fuel management and automatic start-stop. 

    The CT5 uses a long 116 inch wheelbase and fastback roof line borrowed from the Escala concept car. All-LED exterior lighting is standard and includes signature vertical lighting on all four corners. 

    Inside, the infotainment system features a 1080p 10inch diagonal touch screen mounted high on the dash for better visibility. A driver-selectable mode allows the driver to change the vehicle dynamics depending on driving style and road conditions. 

    The Cadillac CT5 will be shown at the New York International Auto Show starting April 17th.  Stay tuned for our thoughts on the CT5 from the show floor.

    You can read the full Cadillac Press Release on Page 2


    Cadillac Introduces First-Ever CT5

    Global debut of new American luxury sedan advances brand’s legacy by offering Super Cruise1

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    Cadillac recasts the concept of American Luxury with the global debut of the unrivaled 2020 CT5 sedan.

    This all-new compact sedan advances the brand’s award-winning legacy with a distinctive fusion of design, performance and comfort, supported by Cadillac’s latest technologies — including Super Cruise1, the world’s first true hands-free driver assistance feature for limited-access freeways.

    “The first-ever Cadillac CT5 showcases Cadillac’s unique expertise in crafting American luxury sedans,” said Steve Carlisle, Cadillac president. “Its details elevate every drive and reward the senses.”

    An all-new fastback design underscores the CT5’s refined ride, complemented with a driver-centric interior that blends high technology and high-touch elements. Luxury and Sport models allow customers to tailor the car to their style preferences with unique design and trim.

    “Cadillac is dedicated to building the world’s most exhilarating luxury sedans,” said Carlisle. “Every element of the CT5 is focused on delivering an unrivaled experience, from the 10-speed transmission to Cadillac’s Super Cruise technology. The expansion of Super Cruise to CT5 reinforces our commitment to bringing the most innovative technologies to our customers.”

    Cadillac CT5’s Super Cruise technology will be available in calendar year 2020 on select models.

    CT5 highlights:

    • At launch, the model range will include Luxury, Premium Luxury and Sport, with a Platinum package available on Premium Luxury and Sport models.
    • A 2.0L Twin-Scroll Turbo engine is standard and Cadillac’s 3.0L Twin-Turbo V-6 is available on Premium Luxury and Sport models. Unique sound calibrations are tuned with the engines and each is paired with a 10-speed automatic transmission.
    • The driving dynamics build on Cadillac’s award-winning RWD architecture and include standard Driver Mode Control. AWD is available.
    • The latest Cadillac user experience2 with a large 10-inch-diagonal screen, as well as intuitive controls, including a rotary controller.
    • A host of comfort and convenience features such as standard Adaptive Remote Start, cabin air purification ionizer and available front-seat lumbar massage.
    • Driver awareness technologies include standard Safety Alert Seat3 and Cadillac’s latest generation available Rear Camera Mirror with zoom and tilt adjustment.
    • Standard driver assistance technologies include Forward Collision Alert3, Low Speed Forward Automatic Emergency Braking3 and Front Pedestrian Braking3.
    • Available driver assistance technologies including Advanced3 Adaptive Cruise Control, Enhanced Forward Automatic Emergency Braking3, Automatic Parking Assist with Braking3, HD Surround Vision with Recorder3, Rear Pedestrian Detection and Alert3, Reverse Automatic Braking3and more.

    A New Design Profile

    With a fastback profile inspired by the Escala concept, the first-ever CT5 charts a new direction for Cadillac sedan design that leverages the natural proportional advantage of the vehicle’s rear-drive platform to communicate power, presence and performance.

    “From every angle, the CT5 exudes athleticism, sophistication and confidence,” said Andrew Smith, executive director of global Cadillac design. “Cadillac’s signature hard-edge cues have evolved to a more sculptural and fluid expression of the brand’s design language.”

    A long, 116-inch wheelbase (2,947 mm) and lengthened side glass accentuate the car’s long, low proportion and sweeping fastback profile. Body sculpturing, including taut character lines, contributes to the car’s strong stance and speaks to Cadillac’s legacy of craftsmanship and technology.

    An all-LED exterior lighting strategy features signature vertical lights at all four corners of the vehicle.

    Bright exterior accents and unique grilles and fascias distinguish the CT5 Luxury and Premium Luxury models, while the Sport model is differentiated by darker accents and performance-inspired details, including unique grilles, fascias, rocker extensions, spoiler and standard 19-inch wheels4.

    High-Tech and High-Touch Interior

    CT5’s interior features elegant, wide surface lines and simple interfaces, focusing on quality, attention to detail, authenticity of materials and impeccable craftsmanship.

    Everything from the instrument panel to the center display is focused on the driver and essential touch points, emphasizing control. That includes a prominent, 1080dp high-definition full-color 10-inch-diagonal touchscreen mounted high within the instrument panel for visibility.

    FEATURE FOCUS: PLATINUM PACKAGE

    The Premium Luxury and Sport models are available with a Platinum Package featuring an exclusive Sedona/Jet Black motif with Opus semi-aniline leather seating surfaces in Sedona Sauvage. These surfaces are distinguished with a custom, layered fading perforation pattern, fine contrasting seat piping and decorative chevron accents. Both front, heated, ventilated and lumbar massage seats feature additional bolstering and 18-way adjustability. The package complements the seats with upgraded leather-trimmed armrests and center console, unique carbon fiber decorative trim and a thicker-rimmed steering wheel with authentic magnesium paddle shifters and alloy pedals.

    Intuitive Technology and Connectivity

    CT5 delivers thoughtful technology integration by offering an intuitive in-vehicle experience with a heightened sense of control. This is provided in everything from vehicle controls that conform to the driver’s driving style to the latest, more personal Cadillac user experience2, which provides more intuitive ways to interface with the system, including phone pairing via Near Field Communication and a new rotary controller.

    CT5 also features standard Adaptive Remote Start and an available hands-free power-release decklid to further customers’ convenience and comfort. Adaptive Remote Start automatically activates features such as the available adaptive heated/ventilated front seats, heated steering wheel and other climate systems, depending on the temperature. The hands-free decklid uses a motion sensor with Cadillac crest target projection that allows customers to activate the trunk release with their foot, supporting easy access.

    FEATURE FOCUS: SUPER CRUISE1

    Cadillac demonstrates its commitment to technology by bringing the Super Cruise driver assistance feature to the CT5. Cadillac’s Super Cruise driver assistance feature enables customers to drive hands-free on more than 130,000 miles of limited-access freeways in the U.S. and Canada, using LiDAR map data, high-precision GPS, a state-of-the-art driver attention system and a network of camera and radar sensors. The driver attention system helps keep drivers engaged by detecting and signaling when drivers need to pay more attention to the road.

     

    Turbocharged Performance

    CT5 is powered by a 2.0L Twin-Scroll Turbo engine and 10-speed automatic transmission with Electronic Precision Shift. This standard propulsion combination offers responsive off-the-line performance with excellent low-end torque. The twin-scroll turbocharger and a unique three-step sliding camshaft help the engine optimize performance across the rpm band for a greater feeling of on-demand power at all speeds.

    Cadillac’s powerful 3.0L Twin Turbo V-6 is available on Premium Luxury and Sport models, rated at an estimated 335 hp (250 kw) and 400 lb-ft of torque (542 Nm)5. Low-inertia turbochargers and a manifold-integrated liquid-to-air intercooling system help the engine produce exceptional power with virtually no lag and sustain it across most of the rpm band. Like the 2.0L Turbo, it is paired with a 10-speed automatic transmission with Electronic Precision Shift.

    Both engines employ technologies such as direct injection, camshaft phasing, Active Fuel Management (cylinder deactivation) and automatic stop/start to balance performance, refinement and efficiency. Sound tuning via mechanical and electronic sources contributes to CT5’s optimized effect on the senses, with engine sounds tuned to augment the driving experience in a refined manner, while helping to minimize unwanted noise in the cabin.

    Evolved Driving Dynamics

    Building on the strengths of the superb RWD architecture that underpins Cadillac’s award-winning rear-wheel-drive sedans, the first-ever CT5 is designed to deliver an exhilarating driving experience while maintaining the brand’s signature blend of performance, comfort and refinement.

    Evolutionary enhancements of the front and rear suspensions, including Cadillac’s signature double-pivot MacPherson-type front suspension, are designed to improve road isolation and driver feedback. At the rear, a five-link independent suspension contributes to the car’s excellent feeling of control.

    Additional chassis and driving dynamics features:

    • Standard Bosch premium electric, rack-mounted power steering system.
    • Capable, confident and precise eBoost brakes.
    • Brembo front brakes are standard on the Sport model.
    • Standard ZF MVS passive dampers.
    • All-wheel drive is available on all models.

    Standard customer-selectable drive modes allow CT5 to adapt even better to driver preferences and changing road conditions. The modes — Tour, Sport, Snow/Ice and new My Mode — can alter the calibrations for transmission shifting, steering and brake feel, front/rear torque split (with the available AWD system) and vehicle sound character to customize the driving experience.

    CT5 can handle a variety of road conditions no matter the climate, thanks to all-wheel drive available on every model along with a diverse range of tire choices, including 19-inch all-season run-flat tires and 18-inch Michelin self-seal tires. All tire options allow drivers to continue driving during most punctures that would sideline conventional tires, for immediate replacement/repair.

    Coming Soon

    The 2020 CT5 makes its public debut at the New York International Auto Show April 19-28 and will be available for ordering this fall. It will be manufactured at GM’s Lansing Grand River facility, which previously received a $211 million investment to build the next-generation Cadillac sedans. Pricing and additional information will be announced closer to the start of production. 

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    44 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    It is a very nice interior, but that does not negate the apparent fact that the CT5 has now equaled them in terms of looks and features. To be honest, the CTS was on par with the previous A6 too except in small areas that only interior fondlers sought out.. Like under the seat. 😂

    Ehhhhh.. I don't dislike the CT5's interior at all but I think that A6 just looks really fancy. 

    I don't see it working the best as it looks like way too much touch-ness to work everything but I think it looks great. 

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    27 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    So Chinese believe European imports are better than American too?   

    And again, that is Cadillac’s problem to fix.  Cadillac knows they are at an immediate disadvantage when it comes to image, yet they don’t do a whole lot with their product line or marketing to correct it.  And this has been a 25 year problem.

    Europeans got to China like 15 years before Caddy. Buick was there more visible than any other GM brand. Hence the reason why Buick is selling in the numbers they do. Care to argue that? I have a real question for U..  Vehicle to vehicle.. Cadillac versus a Euro.. What justifies the higher price outside of bulls#! +? 

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    5 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    Europeans got to China like 15 years before Caddy. Buick was there more visible than any other GM brand. Hence the reason why Buick is selling in the numbers they do. Care to argue that? I have a real question for U..  Vehicle to vehicle.. Cadillac versus a Euro.. What justifies the higher price outside of bulls#! +? 

    About half of Buick’s Chinese sales are from the Excelle which competes with the Jetta and Corolla.  Buick’s China performance should be compared to VW as they operate in the same price tiers with similar products.

    Lexus and Acura outsell Cadillac in the USA too, do they benefit fro the German propaganda machine? 

    As for what makes the Germans better vehicle to vehicle, first is performance, example Panamera vs CT6 or X5 M vs XT6.  Next is build quality, and materials quality, next is suspension tuning, does the Escalade have active curve function that can lean the vehicle on hydraulics in a turn so it corners flat?  The GLS does.  Technology is next, the A8 is the only level 3 autonomous car on sale right now, Super Cruise is a level 2, what CT5 is getting next year is already behind Audi.  Innovation is another, the SL and S-class have 30 laser drilled holes inside the wiper blades to dispense washer fluid so the windshield is never sprayed temporarily blinding the driver, or spraying fluid over the roof or wasting washer fluid.  There is also engine refinement and interior noise level.  It is a long list.

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    13 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    About half of Buick’s Chinese sales are from the Excelle which competes with the Jetta and Corolla.  Buick’s China performance should be compared to VW as they operate in the same price tiers with similar products.

    Lexus and Acura outsell Cadillac in the USA too, do they benefit fro the German propaganda machine? 

    As for what makes the Germans better vehicle to vehicle, first is performance, example Panamera vs CT6 or X5 M vs XT6.  Next is build quality, and materials quality, next is suspension tuning, does the Escalade have active curve function that can lean the vehicle on hydraulics in a turn so it corners flat?  The GLS does.  Technology is next, the A8 is the only level 3 autonomous car on sale right now, Super Cruise is a level 2, what CT5 is getting next year is already behind Audi.  Innovation is another, the SL and S-class have 30 laser drilled holes inside the wiper blades to dispense washer fluid so the windshield is never sprayed temporarily blinding the driver, or spraying fluid over the roof or wasting washer fluid.  There is also engine refinement and interior noise level.  It is a long list.

    Last year in China Buick sold 1.1 Million (2018). The Excelle XT/GT sold 262K. I don't what math class U took but that is not any where near half

    Also Level 3 autonomy is a lawsuit waiting to happen here in the U.S. Super-Cruise, and I've tested" works extremely well, and only small improvements should be done or allowed on the streets of the United States with over 225 million actual drivers. That number blows away all of Europe in terms of possible injuries and fatalities. Are U really so much of a zealot that U believe that GM couldn't offer Level 3 or 4 if they wanted to? 

    Escalade has a MRC and various other handling mechanisms that will put the Germans on notice in a cornering debate. 

    Lexus and Acura benefit from a different type of propaganda machine. Altho Acura barely outsells Cadillac which up until the end of last year simply did not have the proper CUV options available. I see Cadillac (155K 2018) outselling Acura (159K 2018)  this year once the XT6 goes on line.  Also its absolutely undeniable if Cadillac had as extensive a line up as  Audi.. it would outsell it. 223K sales of Audi with 15 cars avail vs Cadillac having 6

     

     

    12 hours ago, regfootball said:

     

    i DO LIKE THE CTS INTERIOR, BUT....

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    I see it.. What of it? Both of those interiors are gorgeous.. something that many have never argued. Why is a retention of a design cue a bad idea? Are we advocating change for the sake of change? For Godsake... I see zero wrong with the retention of the dash portions.. and think they did a helluva job in integration. The goal was to bring the interiors going forward in line with the other current offering. The CT5, XT6 were supposed to recognizable as the sisters to the XT5 and XT4. I will also point out that the gear shifter and console area are literally 95% the same as well.. AGAIN.. great integration into a new design. 

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    12 hours ago, regfootball said:

     

    i DO LIKE THE CTS INTERIOR, BUT....

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    Yup, Family consistency in the dash, just done better this time around with contrasting colors. I can find the same thing in MB, heck just about any European auto, Asia is where you find the really weird contrasting dash shapes.

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    5 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Yup, Family consistency in the dash, just done better this time around with contrasting colors. I can find the same thing in MB, heck just about any European auto, Asia is where you find the really weird contrasting dash shapes.

    That passenger side dash trim wedge is a common motif seen on countless modern vehicles. 

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    5 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Yup, Family consistency in the dash, just done better this time around with contrasting colors. I can find the same thing in MB, heck just about any European auto, Asia is where you find the really weird contrasting dash shapes.

    Its things like this that will never please everyone. I call it "nit-b!tching"

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    5 hours ago, balthazar said:

    Read elsewhere where a claimed BMW owner was severely disappointed the CT5 didn't look like the Escala. Here's a quickie comparison :
     

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    Wow.. I'm actually glad someone did that. Imagine had they simply lined up the emblems perfectly.. Its virtually the same car in front, with exception to the headlights, the bottom grille, and the hood. Its as if the Escala was a styling exercise put into context with a concept car.. then translated quite nicely into a car that was 85% its length 

     

    Hey I just noticed that we have, in essence, the same avatar... LOL.. U should put over to of it "MiatsoCi et LovelyMoon" and it will be complete😎

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    New BMW 330 does a 5.2 0-60 with a 2.0 liter motor and a sub 14 1/4 mile time. CT5 with its new downgraded 2.0 which has clocked out at 7.5 0-60 on a couple different tests of its similar weight Cadillac mates, no reason to expect much better than a 7.2 or 7.3 0-60 in a CT5. How do you win in the sales marketplace when you are 2 seconds behind.  

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    1 hour ago, regfootball said:

    New BMW 330 does a 5.2 0-60 with a 2.0 liter motor and a sub 14 1/4 mile time. CT5 with its new downgraded 2.0 which has clocked out at 7.5 0-60 on a couple different tests of its similar weight Cadillac mates, no reason to expect much better than a 7.2 or 7.3 0-60 in a CT5. How do you win in the sales marketplace when you are 2 seconds behind.  

    WHO CARES other than badge snobs. People buying either the BMW or Cadillac models you state are not buying them as race cars and most people cannot tell the difference between 1 or 2 seconds. I honestly see no issue with a car that reaches 60 in 5 to 8 seconds as it is quick compared to most other cars.

    The bigger thing is does it feel that it gets up to highway speed quick and if that feel is there in the seat of the pants with the right luxury interior and isolation from road noise, then the auto is a success that most people will like.

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    There is only one question that matters: will the CT5 outsell the E-series and the 5 series?  In 2020-2025? 

    Cadillac has a chance, especially with this car, but I want to see sales numbers before declaring defeat at the hands of the Germans.

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    13 hours ago, dfelt said:

    WHO CARES other than badge snobs. People buying either the BMW or Cadillac models you state are not buying them as race cars and most people cannot tell the difference between 1 or 2 seconds. I honestly see no issue with a car that reaches 60 in 5 to 8 seconds as it is quick compared to most other cars.

    The bigger thing is does it feel that it gets up to highway speed quick and if that feel is there in the seat of the pants with the right luxury interior and isolation from road noise, then the auto is a success that most people will like.

    that reminds of the time a few years ago when a bunch of folks here were saying that Cadillac didn't need to offer all wheel drive as an option on their rear wheel drive cars which weren't selling.  and then finally cadillac gets that all wheel drive matters and that took away the impediment to the sale.  luxury car buyers want a quick car and if the buff books or their butt in the seat tells them the car is slow, that is a big impediment to the car being purchased.  impediments that don't exist in the competition.

     

    4 hours ago, riviera74 said:

    There is only one question that matters: will the CT5 outsell the E-series and the 5 series?  In 2020-2025? 

    Cadillac has a chance, especially with this car, but I want to see sales numbers before declaring defeat at the hands of the Germans.

    Cadillac had / has a chance to sell many CTS if

    -Cadillac improved the quaility of their interiors and leather.  (not sure in this case)

    -if it has sexy styling (not sure it got that in this case, especially with the divergence from Caddy style and the wishbone / awkward c pillar treatment that is being universally commented on unfavorably on social media and web sites in many places.

    -if the car leases cheap like the competition, which cadillac still doesn't get....how do they plan to move any.

    -if the car has dynamic advantage or is not up to class average in either ride, handling or power.  the car should ride and handle well because Cadillac did finally condition buyers to expect that but if the luxury car buyer is not getting the same power in the entry model that the competition is then, see ya.  Caddy will way overprice the twin turbo six out of the market as well.  if it were a standalone option for not a ton more, the 6 vs. 4 choice would help them.  But they will bury the six cylinder option in a super expensive package i bet.

    For the CT5 the issue is solved by simply tuning up the motor to more horsepower.  But for whatever reason GM screws up their new motor launches.  It should have specced out with at least the same or more power and torque than the motor it replaces.  They probably detuned it for CAFE reasons, which should not be a thing in a luxury marque.

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    CAFE is also based on sales volume, so I am not surprised that Cadillac might detune the engine for fuel economy.  This is NOT a Corvette with so few sales that it would affect CAFE number.

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    9 hours ago, riviera74 said:

    There is only one question that matters: will the CT5 outsell the E-series and the 5 series?  In 2020-2025? 

    Cadillac has a chance, especially with this car, but I want to see sales numbers before declaring defeat at the hands of the Germans.

    0% chance of that happening.  From what I read, the CT5 is going to be priced like a C-class.  But even at $40k, it won't get E-class volume in the USA.  The sedan market is shrinking and Mercedes has too strong a buyer loyalty.

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    4 hours ago, regfootball said:

    -if the car has dynamic advantage or is not up to class average in either ride, handling or power.  the car should ride and handle well because Cadillac did finally condition buyers to expect that but if the luxury car buyer is not getting the same power in the entry model that the competition is then, see ya.  Caddy will way overprice the twin turbo six out of the market as well.  if it were a standalone option for not a ton more, the 6 vs. 4 choice would help them.  But they will bury the six cylinder option in a super expensive package i bet.

    For the CT5 the issue is solved by simply tuning up the motor to more horsepower.  But for whatever reason GM screws up their new motor launches.  It should have specced out with at least the same or more power and torque than the motor it replaces.  They probably detuned it for CAFE reasons, which should not be a thing in a luxury marque.

    I don't think they'll overprice the V6.  My guess is turbo V6 is in the $50k range.  Although I think interiors and brand image hurt Cadillac more than the engine.  They could make the Blackwing V8 standard and price this car at $50k and the 5-series with a 250 hp 4-banger would outsell it.

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    28 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    I don't think they'll overprice the V6.  My guess is turbo V6 is in the $50k range.  Although I think interiors and brand image hurt Cadillac more than the engine.  They could make the Blackwing V8 standard and price this car at $50k and the 5-series with a 250 hp 4-banger would outsell it.

    good point about the interior.  I don't think the engine would be a HUGE deal if its at least able to crack that 6.5 second 0-60 range, then its not a two second gap in 0-60, if it's within a second or so of the 330 then it shouldn't be that big of a deal.  What people don't realize in the car sales environment, numbers and specs do generate interest, and if the vehicle neither has the specs nor delivers on the test drive, then it's DOA in the market.  Which for a family sedan no one cares.  For a luxury car model line it will matter to some degree because Cadillac doesn't have a huge brand following anymore for sedans like the BMW does, it needs all the internet and real test drive cred it can muster because few other than current Cadillac fans will even care otherwise.

    My guess is no ttv6 stickers for less than say 57-58 thousand.  I wish the current CTS would have had an AWD Vsport package.  That would have been insane.

    Good points, Cadillac is to have improved the ride and comfort, has increased cabin space, and the dash layout looks user friendly.  Its corrected those deficiencies of the CTS, and i think that bodes well for it that way.

     

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    2 hours ago, regfootball said:

    good point about the interior.  I don't think the engine would be a HUGE deal if its at least able to crack that 6.5 second 0-60 range, then its not a two second gap in 0-60, if it's within a second or so of the 330 then it shouldn't be that big of a deal.  What people don't realize in the car sales environment, numbers and specs do generate interest, and if the vehicle neither has the specs nor delivers on the test drive, then it's DOA in the market.  Which for a family sedan no one cares.  For a luxury car model line it will matter to some degree because Cadillac doesn't have a huge brand following anymore for sedans like the BMW does, it needs all the internet and real test drive cred it can muster because few other than current Cadillac fans will even care otherwise.

    My guess is no ttv6 stickers for less than say 57-58 thousand.  I wish the current CTS would have had an AWD Vsport package.  That would have been insane.

    Good points, Cadillac is to have improved the ride and comfort, has increased cabin space, and the dash layout looks user friendly.  Its corrected those deficiencies of the CTS, and i think that bodes well for it that way.

     

    A BMW M340i and C43 AMG are both $55k.  If Cadillac is pricing CT5 like those guys, then a TT V6 CT5 needs to be in that $50k-55k range, because those cars are pretty fast.  The CT5 has interior room to sell on since it is bigger than them, but it has to match them in performance too, and the C43 is probably becoming the C53 in a couple years with the new E-class engine.

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    17 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    A BMW M340i and C43 AMG are both $55k.  If Cadillac is pricing CT5 like those guys, then a TT V6 CT5 needs to be in that $50k-55k range, because those cars are pretty fast.  The CT5 has interior room to sell on since it is bigger than them, but it has to match them in performance too, and the C43 is probably becoming the C53 in a couple years with the new E-class engine.

    The 3.0 is quite downgraded from power output vs. the CT6.  Torque is similar but in the Ct6 its 400hp, and in the CT5 it's like 335.  interesting move.  

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    Isn't that standard practice? BMW 4.4L V8 currently in production has a 100 HP & TRQ range, depending on application.
    If I were buying, I'd certainly expect a power difference between in the CT6 & CT5 output.

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    On 4/20/2019 at 12:16 AM, dfelt said:

    WHO CARES other than badge snobs. People buying either the BMW or Cadillac models you state are not buying them as race cars and most people cannot tell the difference between 1 or 2 seconds. I honestly see no issue with a car that reaches 60 in 5 to 8 seconds as it is quick compared to most other cars.

    The difference is one is legitimately quick and can be enjoyed more so as a sports sedan with its base engine and the other much less so. That's a significant difference. 

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    2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    The difference is one is legitimately quick and can be enjoyed more so as a sports sedan with its base engine and the other much less so. That's a significant difference. 

    I see no mention that this is a SPORT sedan, just a sedan and for most sedan buyers, a couple seconds difference is not going to make that big of a difference to buyers. Let me know when the V-Sport shows up and then we can talk about that time again.

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    On 4/20/2019 at 3:51 PM, riviera74 said:

    CAFE is also based on sales volume, so I am not surprised that Cadillac might detune the engine for fuel economy.  This is NOT a Corvette with so few sales that it would affect CAFE number.

    In 2018, Chevy sold 7,572 more Vettes than CTS, fwiw. 

    2 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    I see no mention that this is a SPORT sedan, just a sedan and for most sedan buyers, a couple seconds difference is not going to make that big of a difference to buyers. Let me know when the V-Sport shows up and then we can talk about that time again.

    So you're really going to try and say the CTS/CT5 is not a sport sedan outside of V trim? 

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    In 2018, Chevy sold 7,572 more Vettes than CTS, fwiw. 

    So you're really going to try and say the CTS/CT5 is not a sport sedan outside of V trim? 

    Lots of things are called sport sedans that aren't. Toyota has been referring to the Avalon as a sport sedan for a number of years now.  The term gets over-used. 

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    Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

    Lots of things are called sport sedans that aren't. Toyota has been referring to the Avalon as a sport sedan for a number of years now.  The term gets over-used. 

    It is overused but an Alpha chassis sedan is pretty much the definition of a sport sedan. 

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    2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    It is overused but an Alpha chassis sedan is pretty much the definition of a sport sedan. 

    Just because something has the same chassis, a sport sedan it is not.

    Yes, outside of the V models, the CT5 is just a sedan. I feel this way about everything out there. Mercedes and BMW outside of the AMG or M series are just sedans.

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    19 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    It is overused but an Alpha chassis sedan is pretty much the definition of a sport sedan. 

    Would you say the same about the C-Class with the base 4-cylinder? 241hp at 5500 RPM.

    The Q60, with a 208 hp Turbo-4?

    The XTS V-Sport with 410hp and AWD?

    Just because they're rear-wheel drive doesn't make them a sport sedan.  The Maxima is faster and has FWD and a CVT. The K900 is rear wheel drive and is a boat.

    So I guess what I'm asking is... what about the Alpha makes it a sport sedan? (I'm not taking Dfelt's side here on the application of it on the CT5, I haven't driven it yet).  Suspension tuning is changeable and not platform specific. 

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    Sat in this car last week in NYC. Overall look and interior are definitely an improvement over the ATS/CTS.

    Rear seat packaging is most improved and actually adult habitable now, unlike the sometimes "can I even put human legs back there?" of the ATS/CTS. The talk of their work to get the same dynamics but soften and refine out the ragged, harsh impact edges of the ATS/CTS to be a more refined day to day package sounds good too...

    Cars are cars. No one cares, and it won't be a big market. So making 1 good one vs. 2 confusing ones is better than nothing.

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Would you say the same about the C-Class with the base 4-cylinder? 241hp at 5500 RPM.

    The Q60, with a 208 hp Turbo-4?

    The XTS V-Sport with 410hp and AWD?

    Just because they're rear-wheel drive doesn't make them a sport sedan.  The Maxima is faster and has FWD and a CVT. The K900 is rear wheel drive and is a boat.

    So I guess what I'm asking is... what about the Alpha makes it a sport sedan? (I'm not taking Dfelt's side here on the application of it on the CT5, I haven't driven it yet).  Suspension tuning is changeable and not platform specific. 

    Yes, they are all still riding on sporty vehicles. 

    The Alpha platform is world class and is sporty as hell. All they have to do is use their fancy magnet dampers that can adjust from firm to floppy in fractions of a second, perfect.  It is also the same underpinnings as the V Series. Same sedan. Yea, they change components on the sedan but the same sedan is being used. 

    Is an FRS/BRZ no longer sporty because it's slower than those listed above? Is straight line acceleration the only requirement for a sporty car? 

    They seem to think it's pretty sporty. 

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    1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

    Yes, they are all still riding on sporty vehicles. 

    The Alpha platform is world class and is sporty as hell. All they have to do is use their fancy magnet dampers that can adjust from firm to floppy in fractions of a second, perfect.  It is also the same underpinnings as the V Series. Same sedan. Yea, they change components on the sedan but the same sedan is being used. 

    Is an FRS/BRZ no longer sporty because it's slower than those listed above? Is straight line acceleration the only requirement for a sporty car? 

    No, that was my point and why I included the XTS-VSport. Most people don't consider any XTS to be a sport sedan. 

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    I just hate the proportions on the XTS so damn much. I don't even consider that a vehicle. I don't care how great it might be. It's on top of my sh!t list with the Impala and MKT. 🤮

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    4 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    I just hate the proportions on the XTS so damn much. I don't even consider that a vehicle. I don't care how great it might be. It's on top of my sh!t list with the Impala and MKT. 🤮

    Both the Impala and the XTS die this year.  Not sure about the MKT.

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    10 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    The difference is one is legitimately quick and can be enjoyed more so as a sports sedan with its base engine and the other much less so. That's a significant difference. 

    Then don't buy the base engine.  If the CT5 is priced under $40k to start I don't know that a C300 or ES350 are all that fast, probably quicker than the base CT5, but I don't think those buyers care.  CT6's base engine is too weak, I agree with you there.  I think the CT5 V6 needs some quickness as it is then competing with some quick cars to capture buyers that do care more about performance.

    8 hours ago, dfelt said:

    @ccap41 You can downvote me and that is fine, but I agree with @Drew Dowdell what about the CT5 outside of the Chassis that they are using makes it a Sports Sedan?

    I would argue Cadillac might be better served not trying to "sell" a sports sedan.  They should be promoting luxury and other attributes.  Obviously you don't want a car with sloppy handling that body rolls all over the place like an 80s Town Car, but pushing sport has got them no where over the past 15 years.

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    7 hours ago, ccap41 said:

     

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    Power Trip on a 2.0 4-cylinder is laughable.  Maybe on the TT V6 they can use that, but they should have something about 30+ mpg efficiency on the base engine, with no mention of power.  This is probably why Cadillac can't sell cars, they push the 2 liter car as the fast lane, so why buy the big engine.  And no mention of efficiency for people there aren't buying it for performance.

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    12 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Then don't buy the base engine.  If the CT5 is priced under $40k to start I don't know that a C300 or ES350 are all that fast, probably quicker than the base CT5, but I don't think those buyers care.  CT6's base engine is too weak, I agree with you there.  I think the CT5 V6 needs some quickness as it is then competing with some quick cars to capture buyers that do care more about performance.

    Well no sh!t. The talk was about base engines though. A base engine at BMW is a legitimately quick car while the GM one is much less so, was the comparison. 

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    21 hours ago, ccap41 said:

     

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    That statement not only makes me laugh, but I have to think it is an idiot marketing dweeb that has no fracking clue about power.

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    1 minute ago, dfelt said:

    That statement not only makes me laugh, but I have to think it is an idiot marketing dweeb that has no fracking clue about power.

    Well, it's directly on Cadillac's website. I think we all have said their marketing team has been junk at GM for awhile now. A long while. 

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    53 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    Has Cadillac released MPG ratings for the CT5 yet ??

    24/34 mpg rating for the CT6 with the same powertrain.  So that or better.   But no, it's not officially released yet. 

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