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    2022 Cadillac CT4 and CT5 Blackwing Bring A Performance Edge

      Missing the hot V models? Here are their replacements.

    After months of rumors and spy photos, Cadillac finally spilled the beans on their new high-performance CT4 and CT5 Blackwing. These new models are planned to give German rivals a bruising when they start arriving at dealers later this summer. Here is what we know.

    CT4 Blackwing

    The smaller of the two Blackwing models starts with a twin-turbo 3.6L V6 engine with 472 horsepower and 445 pound-feet of torque. To achieve this power, Cadillac upgraded the various internals with titanium connecting rods and a revised crankshaft. Power is routed to the rear-wheels by either a six-speed manual or ten-speed automatic. Performance figures are impressive with a 0-60 mph time of 3.8 seconds (automatic transmission) and a top speed of 189 mph.

    In terms of handling, the CT4 Blackwing features an electronic limited-slip rear differential and latest version of Magnetic Ride Control 4.0 - Cadillac claims the latter is the quickest-reacting suspension in the world. A set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires keep the vehicle glued to the road, while optional optional carbon ceramic brakes bring it to a quick stop.

    Visually, the CT4 Blackwing uses a new grille with larger openings to gobble up more air; functional fender vents, front splitter, and a rear spoiler. A carbon fiber package that claims to reduce aerodynamic lift by 214 percent is an option.

    CT5 Blackwing

    For those who want something a bit more mad can direct their attention to the CT5 Blackwing. Under its hood lies a massaged 6.2L supercharged V8 engine with 668 horsepower and 659 pound-feet of torque. Again, power is routed to the rear-wheels via a six-speed manual or ten-speed automatic. 0-60 mph takes 3.7 seconds (automatic transmission) and can cruise towards 200-plus mph. 

    What does this massaged V8 engine have? For starters. there's a larger supercharger (1.7-liters), aluminum cylinder heads, titanium intake valves, and improved airflow. 

    Like the CT4, the CT5 Blackwing gets Magnetic Ride Control 4.0 and electronic limited-slip rear differential. A set of forged 19-inch wheels exclusive to the Blackwing come wrapped in a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires. 

    Outside, a new grille with larger openings to allow for more air, front splitter, and rear spoiler are the key changes to note. A carbon fiber package is optional.

    How Much?

    The CT4 Blackwing will set you back $59,990, and the larger CT5 Blackwing will cost $84,990. Both prices include a $995 destination charge. You can head down to your nearest Cadillac dealer to place a pre-order for either model right now.

    Source: Cadillac

    V-Series Blackwing: Ultimate Track Capability, Zero Compromise

    • The 2022 Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing and CT5-V Blackwing, two of the most powerful Cadillacs ever, raise the bar on performance

    The 2022 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing and CT4-V Blackwing represent the pinnacle of Cadillac performance and craftsmanship, leveraging championship-winning racing heritage to create the most track-capable Cadillacs ever, while continuing to set new standards for luxury and comfort.

    Leveraging a Cadillac racing history that began in 1949 and has seen sustained success over the last two decades, the V-Series Blackwing models were developed with driver engagement and performance at the top of mind.

    “V-Series Blackwing stands for the very highest level of execution from Cadillac and offers a distinctly American vision of performance: incredible power and luxurious craftsmanship, with absolutely zero compromise,” said Brandon Vivian, executive chief engineer, Cadillac. “We looked to our championship-winning racing heritage and brought an uncompromising eye for detail to create two cars that elevate the V-Series experience.”

    V-Series Blackwing vehicles build on the already excellent performance dynamics of the CT5-V and CT4-V to create the top tier of the Cadillac sedan lineup.

    Highlights include:

    • Evolutions of the track-ready Cadillac 6.2L Supercharged V8 in the CT5-V Blackwing and 3.6L Twin-Turbo V6 in the CT4-V Blackwing
    • Upgraded TREMEC six-speed manual transmission standard
    • Available 10-speed automatic transmission
    • Electronic Limited Slip Rear Differential enhanced to reduce mass and improve on-track reliability
    • Advanced suspension refinements providing greater body control and a more agile feel
    • Magnetic Ride Control 4.0, the world’s fastest reacting suspension technology, sharpening the balance between daily-driving comfort and high-performance track capability
    • Unique structural enhancements improving steering response and handling on the track
    • Cadillac’s largest ever factory-installed brakes, available on the CT5-V Blackwing
    • Extensive validation including 12-hour and 24-hour track testing
    • Customizable integrated digital gauge cluster with Custom Launch Control and Performance Traction Management settings

    Liberating performance
    The CT5-V Blackwing uses an upgraded 6.2L supercharged V8 that, thanks to a higher flow air-intake and revised exhaust system, is rated at 668 horsepower (498 kW) and 659 lb-ft of torque (893 Nm), making it the most powerful production Cadillac ever. Each engine is hand-built at GM’s Bowling Green Assembly facility in Kentucky and features a signed engine builder’s plate.

    The CT4-V Blackwing sports an evolution of the Cadillac 3.6L Twin-Turbo V6 that features revised control system software and an improved air intake system to create 472 horsepower (352 kW) and 445 lb-ft of torque (603 Nm). The turbos’ low-inertia (titanium-aluminide) turbine wheels enable more precise and responsive application of torque throughout the rev range.

    Highlighted features and output:

    • CT5-V Blackwing: 6.2L Supercharged V8 - 668 hp, 659 lb-ft of torque
      • GM-estimated top track speed: over 200 mph
      • GM-estimated 0-60 mph: 3.7 seconds (automatic transmission)
      • Most powerful Cadillac ever
      • Air intake airflow is improved by 46 percent vs. the CTS-V
      • Compact, high-output 1.7L four-lobe Eaton supercharger with small-diameter rotors that enable boost to be generated earlier in the rpm band for instantaneous response
      • Rotocast A356T6 aluminum cylinder heads are stronger and handle heat better than conventional aluminum-alloy heads
      • Lightweight titanium intake valves
      • Track-capable wet-sump oiling and vent system with external oil separator and drainback
    • CT4-V Blackwing: 3.6L Twin-Turbo V6 - 472 hp, 445 lb-ft of torque
      • GM-estimated top speed: 189 mph
      • GM-estimated 0-60 mph: 3.8 seconds (automatic transmission)
      • Most powerful and fastest Cadillac in the subcompact class
      • Air intake restriction is improved by 39 percent vs. the ATS-V
      • Turbocharger compressors matched for peak efficiency at peak power for optimal track performance
      • Titanium connecting rods (manual transmission only) and revised crankshaft counterweights reduce main/rod bearing reciprocating loads
      • Re-targeted piston oil squirters, which direct engine oil at the bottoms of the pistons, for improved temperature control
      • The manifold-integrated water-to-air charge cooling system contributes to more immediate torque response
      • Airflow routing volume is reduced by 60 percent when compared to a conventional design that features a remotely mounted heat exchanger

    Track-capable braking systems
    Both V-Series Blackwing models feature advanced high-performance braking systems that have been extensively track and road-tested. The exclusive V-Series Blackwing wheel designs enable an even larger rotor over the previous CTS-V, making the CT5-V Blackwing braking system the largest factory-installed brakes in Cadillac history. Additionally, an available carbon-ceramic brake package for the CT5-V Blackwing, featuring cross-drilled rotors, deliver several benefits including weight savings, durability and heat management.

    Highlighted features:

    • CT4-V Blackwing: 14.96 x 1.34-inch (380 X 34 mm) front rotors and 13.4 x 1.1-inch (340.5 x 28 mm) rear rotors
    • CT5-V Blackwing: 15.67 x 1.42-inch (398 X 36 mm) front rotors and 14.7 x 1.1-inch (373.5 x 28 mm) rear rotors
    • Staggered Brembo® six-piston front calipers and four-piston rear calipers
    • Available on the CT5-V Blackwing, the lightweight carbon-ceramic brake package significantly improves heat management, as well as greater resistance to wear under extreme conditions on the racetrack, while also reducing unsprung mass and rotating mass:
      • 53-pound (24 kg) reduction in unsprung weight
      • 62-pound (28 kg) reduction in rotating mass
    • High-performance copper-free brake linings comply with California law and deliver superior fade resistance with an excellent pedal feel on and off the track
    • Brake systems are integrated to each vehicles’ selectable drive modes, including brake pedal feel. Brake pedal feel can also be assigned within My-Mode and V-Mode

    Manual transmission is standard
    Rare for sport sedans today, a six-speed TREMEC manual transmission is standard on both vehicles. It has been optimized for each V-Series Blackwing vehicle to provide an engaging experience on the track or on the road. Details include:

    • LuK twin-disc clutch for high torque capacity and great pedal feel
    • Active Rev Matching accessible via a console mounted toggle switch to automatically adjust engine speed to match anticipated downshifts
    • No-Lift Shift allowing the driver to shift gears without letting off the gas pedal. In the case of the CT4-V Blackwing, it allows the turbos to remain spooled, resulting in faster lap times
    • Transmission and rear differential cooling – the manual and automatic transmissions use the same track-performance cooling system for greater track performance
    • Clutch and brake pedals positioned for optimal driver ergonomics
    • A physical barrier stop for the clutch pedal rather than a hydraulic master cylinder stop provides greater driver feedback during clutch operation
    • A shorter shifter ratio than previous generations for more precise shifts

    Ten-speed automatic transmission
    The CT5-V Blackwing and CT4-V Blackwing are available with a 10-speed electronically controlled automatic transmission. It is tuned to complement the dual-personality experience of each respective model.

    Highlighted features:

    • Tap Shift/Manual Mode allowing the driver to use integrated magnesium paddle shifters to select a gear and hold it until selecting the next gear, up or down
    • Sport Mode providing real-time interpretation of driving conditions, adjusting the transmission to reduce shift busyness and improve performance, while retaining aggressive driving dynamics
    • Twenty-four-hour track testing resulted in several improvements in response to the demands of a high-g track environment, including a unique oil pan design and priority valve changes
    • Unique control systems with performance calibrations tailored for each model
    • Ten forward gears offer the most available transmission speeds in each sedans’ respective segments, helping keep the engines within their optimal rpm bands, while also anticipating the next shifts
    • Dynamic Performance Mode is calibrated specifically for V-Series Blackwing to deliver track focused shift patterns and automatically activates when high-g forces are experienced in Sport or Track mode
    • An auxiliary pump primes the automatic transmission system from the time the vehicle door is opened for improved cold-shift performance.

    Both V-Series Blackwing models also feature an enhanced Electronic Limited Slip Rear Differential. It weighs less and has been optimized for each driving mode and each Performance Traction Management setting.

    Highlighted features:

    • More control of the rear differential compared to traditional open and mechanical limited-slip differentials
    • Enhances road grip by automatically allocating torque to the rear wheel with the most traction during hard cornering — with the capability of sending up to 1,475 lb-ft (2,000 Nm) of locking torque across the axle
    • High-performance differential cooler
    • An aluminum housing replacing the previous generation cast iron housing, reducing mass by more than 22 pounds (10 kg)
    • Exclusive integrated heat exchanger for enhanced cooling

    Advanced suspension systems and strengthened chassis
    V-Series Blackwing combines the fourth generation of Magnetic Ride Control (MR 4.0), with improvements to the front and rear suspension systems. Stiffer spring rates, unique hollow stabilizer bars, higher-rate bushings and more enable a driving experience that isolates the driver from road imperfections, while also providing a precise, engaging connection with the road.

    MR 4.0 highlights:

    • Immense performance envelope that gave Cadillac engineers the freedom to optimize everyday driving and aggressive track performance
    • New accelerometers and an inertial measurement unit that transmit and process changes in road conditions four times faster than the previous generation system
    • Secondary temperature maps that enable engineers to compensate for changes in damper fluid temperature for more consistent performance, even during performance driving
    • Inertial measurement unit that provides more precise measurements of body motion relative to the wheel for more accurate readings under heavy braking, hard cornering and other driving conditions
    • Improved magnetic flux control that creates a more consistent and accurate transition between rebound and compression
    • Improvements to transient body control that allow the vehicle to remain more level while transitioning between corners

    MacPherson strut front suspension:

    • Ride link includes an all-new 100-percent elastomer bushing on the CT4-V Blackwing and a retuned hydro bushing on the CT5-V Blackwing, for improved ride response
    • Handling link has cross-axis ball joints for improved lateral control and quicker steering response

    Five-link independent rear suspension:

    • Lateral link features stiffer bushings for faster response and increased cornering agility
    • Toe link has cross-axis ball joints for increased stability and driver confidence
    • Rear knuckles have increased stiffness for improved braking and better control during cornering
    • Rear cradle mounts have been stiffened for optimum balance between road comfort and track performance

    V-Series Blackwing models are built on Cadillac’s award-winning rear-wheel drive architecture and feature unique structural enhancements including shock tower braces, an underside shear plate and thicker rear cross members to improve chassis rigidity. Along with the unique suspension elements, the stiffer structure enhances steering response, handling and the everyday driving experience.

    All-day performance, on and off the track
    The CT5-V Blackwing and CT4-V Blackwing build on Cadillac’s racing heritage and were developed to be track-capable straight from the factory. That includes an intensive validation program to ensure consistent performance during the most challenging track conditions.

    Validation for both models included:

    • Twenty-four-hour continuous track testing with the available automatic transmission, available carbon fiber aero package, aluminum wheels and available carbon ceramic brake package
    • Twelve-hour continuous track testing with the standard manual transmission, available carbon fiber aero package, aluminum wheels and available carbon ceramic brake package

    Functional aerodynamics, including an available carbon fiber aero package, contribute to the V-Series Blackwing models’ track prowess to support a variety of cooling needs for the cars’ respective engines, transmissions, axles and other supporting systems.

    Additionally, MICHELIN® Pilot Sport 4S tires developed exclusively for the V-Series Blackwing models contribute to their balance of track capability and road comfort. Highlights include:

    • Unique, multiple-compound tread composition:
      • Contact patch composed of three unique tread rubber compounds
      • Racing “R compound” used for the majority of the tread
      • Compounds optimized for wet traction, enhanced street and track durability, as well as rolling resistance
    • The mold shape of the tire has been specifically engineered for Blackwing models to optimize contact with the road
    • Tire sizes:
      • CT5-V Blackwing tire size: 275/35ZR19 (front) and 305/30ZR19 (rear)
      • CT4-V Blackwing tire size: 255/35ZR18 (front) and 275/35ZR18 (rear)

    Both V-Series Blackwing vehicles feature standard forged aluminum alloy wheels with staggered widths, front to rear. These forged wheels are stronger and lighter than conventional cast aluminum.

    Wheel sizes:

    • CT5-V Blackwing: Front – 19 x 10 inches / Rear – 19 x 11 inches
    • CT4-V Blackwing: Front – 18 x 9 inches / Rear – 18 x 9.5 inches

    Coming this summer
    Reservations for both vehicles open on Feb. 1, 2021 at 7:30 p.m. ET on Cadillac.com, with deliveries later this summer. Pricing begins at $59,9901 for the CT4-V Blackwing and $84,9901 for the CT5-V Blackwing.

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    8 hours ago, balthazar said:

    Daimler isn't competing with Cadillac, it's competing with General Motors.

    GM is worth 15% / $10 billion more than Daimler, and sold 7.7 million units in '19, vs. 2.8 million.

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    Ya, I'm sure it was me who sent things down another track. Oopsie.

    Daimler is worth $85 billion today, and GM worth $80 billion.  When Daimler splits to Mercedes-Benz and Daimler Truck those valuations will rise.  Not sure these companies are really that similar since they serve different markets and customers.  

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    Thanks for the correction- I saw something else apparently.
     

    The 2 corporations are very close in many metrics, and Daimler has been benchmarking GM for decades. Remember their slogan not that long ago; "In a perfect world, there'd be a Mercedes in every driveway"...

    Finance-wise, Daimler is up 354% over the last 12 months, GM is up 398%. They also have a decisive edge in the arena investors seems to lose their critical thought on- BE's, so how it goes is anyone's guess. 

    One thing tho- the idle talk of Daimler buying GM has long evaporated (not saying that Daimler was contemplating that). 

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    1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    I just want to have that in a car, and take said car out and thrash on it. 

    Every sane-minded human should want to do that as well. 

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    On 2/9/2021 at 7:39 AM, ccap41 said:

    Scroll back and you'll find USA and Balthy mentioned Rolls and Maybach before smk did, Thursday, to help with your search. 

    If you're an honest man, you'd get on those two for mentioning Rolls and Maybach. 

    Diamler is miles ahead of Cadillac. Cadillac wishes and dreams they could be what Mercedes and BMW are. 

    No, smk brought up the Charger or Kia comparing them to a Cadillac which is obvious BS talk. He's the master of the goal post mover...

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    9 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

    No, smk brought up the Charger or Kia comparing them to a Cadillac which is obvious BS talk. He's the master of the goal post mover...

    My point was just because the CT5 is E-class size, doesn't, mean it is E-class competition.  Because a Camry or Sonata are the same size as a CT5 or E-class too.  There are like 20 mid-size sedans out there, it is the most common size.

    I am sure Hellcat fans are saying how the Charger is cheaper and more powerful than a CT5 and therefore better, and not factoring in the Charger has a garbage interior and garbage handling.  

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    On 2/9/2021 at 7:39 AM, ccap41 said:

    Scroll back and you'll find USA and Balthy mentioned Rolls and Maybach before smk did, Thursday, to help with your search. 

    If you're an honest man, you'd get on those two for mentioning Rolls and Maybach.

    I was proving a point on apples to apples and same class of luxury cars because smk continued to bring up econobox Kia's and muscle car Charger's on the other end of the scale that are no where close to a Cadillac on build quality or fit and finish. I wasn't comparing anything on this string to RR directly, it was a rhetorical statement.

    The following is what I stated...

     

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    18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    My point was just because the CT5 is E-class size, doesn't, mean it is E-class competition.  Because a Camry or Sonata are the same size as a CT5 or E-class too.  There are like 20 mid-size sedans out there, it is the most common size.

    I am sure Hellcat fans are saying how the Charger is cheaper and more powerful than a CT5 and therefore better, and not factoring in the Charger has a garbage interior and garbage handling.  

    Again, you make no sense with your statements. Yes, Cadillac CT5 and Mercedes E Class compete directly because they are both LUXURY makes and are nearly identical in size and that's a fact, that doesn't change, no matter what your opinion is and it makes them exactly that...COMPETITORS. 

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    50 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

    Again, you make no sense with your statements. Yes, Cadillac CT5 and Mercedes E Class compete directly because they are both LUXURY makes and are nearly identical in size and that's a fact, that doesn't change, no matter what your opinion is and it makes them exactly that...COMPETITORS. 

    Lexus ES350 and Acura TLX are the same size as the CT5 and from a luxury make.  

    You can say the CT5 is an E-class competitor, but Cadillac is severely outgunned on luxury and technology on that one.  

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    2 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Lexus ES350 and Acura TLX are the same size as the CT5 and from a luxury make.  

    You JUST stated Camry and Sonata above as comparisons that is what I'm talking about and you know it, your new nickname is "flip the script". The ES350 is just a re-badged Camry, there's nothing unique about either of those luxury makes, but you're getting closer! 

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    On 2/12/2021 at 7:57 PM, USA-1 said:

    No, smk brought up the Charger or Kia comparing them to a Cadillac which is obvious BS talk. He's the master of the goal post mover...

    That's still not Rolls or Maybach. 

    On 2/12/2021 at 8:28 PM, USA-1 said:

    I was proving a point on apples to apples and same class of luxury cars because smk continued to bring up econobox Kia's and muscle car Charger's on the other end of the scale that are no where close to a Cadillac on build quality or fit and finish. I wasn't comparing anything on this string to RR directly, it was a rhetorical statement.

    The following is what I stated...

     

     

    I never said WHY you brought it up, just that you brought it up before smk. 

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    31 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    That's still not Rolls or Maybach. 

    I never said WHY you brought it up, just that you brought it up before smk. 

    smk very recently brought up the Maybach GLS600 in a post before I ever did, comparing it to the new 2021 Escalade so he knows where I was going with it, it's straight from his playbook.  

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    51 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

    smk very recently brought up the Maybach GLS600 in a post before I ever did, comparing it to the new 2021 Escalade so he knows where I was going with it, it's straight from his playbook.  

    Again, I never said WHY you brought it up or where else it was brought up, just that you brought it up HERE first. 

    I'm not sure how or why that's confusing or why you're defending that. It was like a week ago, nobody cares. 

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    Again, I never said WHY you brought it up or where else it was brought up, just that you brought it up HERE first. 

    I'm not sure how or why that's confusing or why you're defending that. It was like a week ago, nobody cares. 

    What part did you miss? It seems like all of it, so here's a recap. I've driven a CT6-V Blackwing Platinum so I know exactly what Cadillac can do in our modern day and has done again with the Cadillac CT4 and CT5-V Blackwing's. I stated RR because smk makes the Cadillac CT-V B's (before even seeing one in person) out to be on a much lower level comparing them to a Kia, Toyota or Dodge because of the similar size or it having a V8 for comparison, which is an F'n joke! Then he props up his fan fav. MB to something higher like their Maybach which HE brought up in the past so LIKE I SAID, HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT so it doesn't matter what YOU think since you weren't involved in conversation. I don't care if it's this thread or not it was a very recent post between myself and him. 

    Because I'm going to call BS when I see it is why and it doesn't matter if it was a month ago. I'm not on this site everyday because I have much better things to do with my life. I know why you're trying to vehemently defend your fan fav. "MB" and "AMG" but don't try to call me out like you know what we were talking about if you don't.  HE KNEW what I meant even though you didn't...   

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    It's always ironic when somebody tries to talk down upon a specific brand calling them your "fav." all while dry humping another brand whose spiraling in seventeen different directions. 

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    47 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    It's always ironic when somebody tries to talk down upon a specific brand calling them your "fav." all while dry humping another brand whose spiraling in seventeen different directions. 

    The first actual mention of Maybach followed but the first response, in the screenshot below. Can we put this to bed already or do you want me to tell you what you told me on the very first page about going back and forth with someone?

     

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    It's always ironic when somebody tries to talk down upon a specific brand calling them your "fav." all while dry humping another brand whose spiraling in seventeen different directions. 

    Pot calling Kettle...🤪

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    46 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    The first actual mention of Maybach followed but the first response, in the screenshot below. Can we put this to bed already or do you want me to tell you what you told me on the very first page about going back and forth with someone?

     

    D45D5242-C482-4CD9-BC3C-F66E47D00B34.thumb.jpeg.64edac538c85d4ce9560f86c625681ee.jpeg

     

    Yes, Yes I know this already. Scroll up to where I pointed it out to David. This is exactly what I said, smk didn't mention Maybach first. 

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    9 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

    Pot calling Kettle...🤪

    Minus the dry humping. 

    This entire time I repeatedly mentioned I was not taking anything away from the CT4/5-VB. I clearly was just saying the CLA45 AMG was not the Benz to knock on, NOT that they don't have vehicles to knock on. I've also repeatedly hated on their garbage-@ss looking GLC Coupe and GLE Coupe, AMG or not. No, I do not love their entire lineup but Yes, they have a lineup that only BMW can compete with as they have legitimate high end performance variants from the bottom to the top, something Cadillac can only dream of. Instead Cadillac drops a truck engine in their sports sedan(yes, at the press release of the 2.7 Silverado, they said it was a dedicated truck engine). 

    "Standard on LT and RST trims, the new engine delivers an SAE-certified 310 horsepower and 348 lb-ft of torque, for 22 percent more torque than the 4.3L V-6 it replaces. Developed specifically for truck applications, the new 2.7L Turbo inline four-cylinder engine delivers peak torque from 1,500 to 4,000 rpm"

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    4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Minus the dry humping. 

    This entire time I repeatedly mentioned I was not taking anything away from the CT4/5-VB. I clearly was just saying the CLA45 AMG was not the Benz to knock on, NOT that they don't have vehicles to knock on. I've also repeatedly hated on their garbage-@ss looking GLC Coupe and GLE Coupe, AMG or not. No, I do not love their entire lineup but Yes, they have a lineup that only BMW can compete with as they have legitimate high end performance variants from the bottom to the top, something Cadillac can only dream of. Instead Cadillac drops a truck engine in their sports sedan(yes, at the press release of the 2.7 Silverado, they said it was a dedicated truck engine). 

    "Standard on LT and RST trims, the new engine delivers an SAE-certified 310 horsepower and 348 lb-ft of torque, for 22 percent more torque than the 4.3L V-6 it replaces. Developed specifically for truck applications, the new 2.7L Turbo inline four-cylinder engine delivers peak torque from 1,500 to 4,000 rpm"

    I've said the same with GM and Cadillac and I definitely don't like GM's entire lineup, but they do offer an entire line of cars, midsize and fullsize BOF trucks and SUV's as well as CUV's, unlike Daimler. There's always going to be powertrain sharing when GM Powertrain builds all the engines and transmissions in house and ships them off to the other assembly factories to be installed in a Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick or GMC and Daimler would definitely do the same if they had trucks which they can only dream of.

    My point earlier was that these Cadillac CTx-V Blackwing's even the CT4-5-V Series non Blackwing do compete with MB AMG, BMW M and M Sport, Audi S and RS and Lexus F to some extent with all of them offering RWD luxury performance models, but I never said the whole lineup from Cadillac competes with the Germans. Cadillac doesn't want nor do they need a full lineup of performance vehicles because not only do they have the V Series and Blackwing line they have a fully loaded vehicles from their other 3 divisions where Benz is only Benz. The Chevrolet Corvette 3LT with 500 hp at the ready with a Z06, ZR1 and Zora on the way and many other pretty damn well built cars, trucks and SUV's that can and do equal if not better some of the vehicles coming out of Munich and Stuttgart. There are vehicles GM offers that Daimler doesn't and vice versa. I've owned a lot of really good GM vehicles having owned 2 Cadillac's, several Chevrolet's and 1 GMC over the years and I drive my vehicles pretty hard and they hold up really well, but I also maintain them very well which many people miss.

    Automotive manufacturers constantly change their strategy, Daimler does it, GM does it, Ford does it, ALL of them do it. I remember the Chevrolet reps saying the same thing about the 2.7T I4, it's all marketing speak that they all spew. There are ways to tune the same engine for truck or car use and it is a brand new pretty high tech engine that's said to be very quiet and smooth for an I-4 and it puts out pretty impressive numbers. It's only offered to help balance GM CAFE numbers anyway.  

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    4 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Yes, Yes I know this already. Scroll up to where I pointed it out to David. This is exactly what I said, smk didn't mention Maybach first. 

    Yet here you are still going back and forth. Again, refer to what you said about another and myself on the first page. Good grief. 

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    3 hours ago, USA-1 said:

    I've said the same with GM and Cadillac and I definitely don't like GM's entire lineup, but they do offer an entire line of cars, midsize and fullsize BOF trucks and SUV's as well as CUV's, unlike Daimler. There's always going to be powertrain sharing when GM Powertrain builds all the engines and transmissions in house and ships them off to the other assembly factories to be installed in a Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick or GMC and Daimler would definitely do the same if they had trucks which they can only dream of.

    My point earlier was that these Cadillac CTx-V Blackwing's even the CT4-5-V Series non Blackwing do compete with MB AMG, BMW M and M Sport, Audi S and RS and Lexus F to some extent with all of them offering RWD luxury performance models, but I never said the whole lineup from Cadillac competes with the Germans. Cadillac doesn't want nor do they need a full lineup of performance vehicles because not only do they have the V Series and Blackwing line they have a fully loaded vehicles from their other 3 divisions where Benz is only Benz. The Chevrolet Corvette 3LT with 500 hp at the ready with a Z06, ZR1 and Zora on the way and many other pretty damn well built cars, trucks and SUV's that can and do equal if not better some of the vehicles coming out of Munich and Stuttgart. There are vehicles GM offers that Daimler doesn't and vice versa. I've owned a lot of really good GM vehicles having owned 2 Cadillac's, several Chevrolet's and 1 GMC over the years and I drive my vehicles pretty hard and they hold up really well, but I also maintain them very well which many people miss.

    Automotive manufacturers constantly change their strategy, Daimler does it, GM does it, Ford does it, ALL of them do it. I remember the Chevrolet reps saying the same thing about the 2.7T I4, it's all marketing speak that they all spew. There are ways to tune the same engine for truck or car use and it is a brand new pretty high tech engine that's said to be very quiet and smooth for an I-4 and it puts out pretty impressive numbers. It's only offered to help balance GM CAFE numbers anyway.  

    It's just unfortunate that they chose to share an engine specifically designed for truck use, to be in their luxury sport sedan. It isn't that it is tune-able, it's that it isn't refined enough for luxury sport sedan-use. 

    "I wasn't going to describe it as such when Cadillac admitted that the turbocharged 2.7-liter four-cylinder comes from the Chevrolet Silverado pickup, but then I slid behind the wheel and hit the start button. The largest four-cylinder engine on the market starts up with a grumble, like a teenager being dragged out of bed at 5:00 a.m. I'm not kidding, on startup you can feel the torque twist the engine in its mounts, a sensation that reverberates through the car – it's uncouth and unacceptable behavior for a car with a luxury badge. So, yes, this is a truck engine, even if it smooths out at idle."

    https://www.motor1.com/reviews/428474/2020-cadillac-ct4-v-first-drive/

    Mercedes makes REAL trucks. 

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    I will certainly agree that any company would be stupid to not want the success Ford, GM, and Ram have had with their trucks. Great margins, great profits. 

    I know I've said it, maybe/maybe not here, that the C8Z is going to seriously hurt feelings. The C8 Z51 is already putting dents in serious super car territory. I'm stoked for the Z06 and/or ZR1. 

    1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

    Yet here you are still going back and forth. Again, refer to what you said about another and myself on the first page. Good grief. 

    I was literally never talking to you about this. I responded to David. 

    Classic Surreal, nutting all over a thread. 

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