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    Mid-Engine Corvette Reportedly Not Appearing In Detroit

      It would have been nice for the Corvette to appear at Detroit, but that's not happening

    If you were hoping that Chevrolet would bring the house down next month with the debut of the mid-engine Corvette at the Detroit Auto Show, we have some bad news for you.

    GM Authority has learned from GM that Chevrolet isn't planning to show anything car or crossover related at the show. Motor Authority was able to confirm this report by speaking to sources who know GM's plans for future vehicles. It is expected that the Cadillac XT6 crossover will debut at the show.

    Rumor has it that GM could debut the mid-engine Corvette at the New York Auto Show - the original 1953 Corvette debuted at the Motorama event that year in New York - or hold its own event to have the media focus on the new model and nothing else. The latter option seems the most likely to us.

    We'll keep you posted if anything changes.

    Source: GM Authority, Motor Authority

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    I'd love to see a Corvette SUV with none other than the n/a 3.6. 

    Would be fine as a base engine if it had a kick ass transmission like a PDK tuned for it., but to me Corvette has always been about the v8.  I would rather Cadillac had a transverse engine CUV platform with smaller engines and Corvette had v8 versions of it if they go the CUV route.

     

     

     

     

     

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    IMO, if they want to target the performance/luxury market with a Corvette branded SUV I think their 3.0TT would be a great base engine and then the 4.2TT as the top engine. This is a performance-first brand, in my theoretical eyes. 

    Looking at a Corvette, the base model is 455hp so 400hp/tq shouldn't sound too outrageous as a base for a Corvette-branded SUV. 

    If they're just going to make any GM CUV but with a V8 then there's no point in giving Corvette its own legit brand. It would just be another badge-job. I understand it would theoretically come from an in-house-already chassis.

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    All brands PERIOD should be tagged equally for calling a premium lux or performance brand with pathetic 4 banger or 6 banger engines as crap. I do agree that it is amazing how many will attack an American brand for a certain image and not the Euro or Asian for the same pathetic small engine in what is supposed to be performance or luxury.

    Reminds me of throwing stones in glass houses.

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    6 hours ago, frogger said:

    What Porsche CUV is FWD based?

     

    The Macan is AWD, but is still technically sitting on a FWD derived platform.  Is on the same system platform as the Audi A5,A4,A6,A7,A8 , and Q5

    IN ADDITION:

    Personally it never mattered to me in the CUV class whether it was FWD or RWD.. as long as its AWD, especially since the advent of adaptive or selective AWD systems. With the truest issue one could come up with pertains to disadvantages of FWD being that the weight distribution was front biased and thus created inferior handing versus a RWD vehicle, which was typically more balanced.

    All the RIGHTWD stuff aside.. when that notion comes into play.. I find it interesting that a Macan has a weight distribution of 57.2%/42.8% (F/R) while say.. the weight distribution on the Blazer RS AWD is F/R(59/41%) or say a 2017 BMW X5 X35i at F/R(49/51%) They are off.. but not that far off.

    Blazer RS performing the figure 8:

    in 27.1 sec @ 0.65 g (avg) and Lateral g at .83g 

    vs an X5 at 26.8 sec @ 0.69 g (avg) and lateral g .81

    I'm not saying its better.. but I am saying that it in no way do these vehicles deserve the label of being inferior due to being FWD based

     

     

     

     

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    24 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    All brands PERIOD should be tagged equally for calling a premium lux or performance brand with pathetic 4 banger or 6 banger engines as crap. I do agree that it is amazing how many will attack an American brand for a certain image and not the Euro or Asian for the same pathetic small engine in what is supposed to be performance or luxury.

    Reminds me of throwing stones in glass houses.

    But AMERICANS do it.. they hate themselves.. and will by majority these days let the Foreign makers get away with a litany of offenses that they would demand GM or Ford be put out of business for. Imagine GM being caught up in an Emissions scandal with the type of blatant deception VW pulled off.. 

    The Macan starts off with a 248HP 4cyl engine for $50K. The Cadillac XT5 has a 310HP V6 and starts at $41K. How is that even cool? Even if U drop back to the XT4, it only has 11 less HP and starts off at $35K.. and I seriously don't see Porsche as a luxury Cadillac competitor. That's Audi.  I do see it as Sport Corvette competitor. GM needs to jump in that portion of the game.. with both brands

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    5 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Sorry, I thought responding about the Macan was being civil.. I definitely wan't looking for a rant as a response. I thought we were just talkin' automobiles. 

    It's something in the water...I almost never see your responses as less than sane and civil. 

    You are always civil and decent...

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    I have a question: why should the Corvette be a separate division within GM?

    In a time when many brands are altering themselves to be just profitable and lack a unique selling point, there really is no reason to convert the Corvette into what Porsche is: a separate division within an automaker that has an increasingly weak USP.  I do not think that Porsche should have pursued the CUV market at all; leave it to Audi for that.  A Corvette is special; there is no reason to turn it into the next Pontiac between 1990 and 2008.

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    13 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

    I have a question: why should the Corvette be a separate division within GM?

    In a time when many brands are altering themselves to be just profitable and lack a unique selling point, there really is no reason to convert the Corvette into what Porsche is: a separate division within an automaker that has an increasingly weak USP.  I do not think that Porsche should have pursued the CUV market at all; leave it to Audi for that.  A Corvette is special; there is no reason to turn it into the next Pontiac between 1990 and 2008.

    Simple, to me I say leave Corvette in Chevrolet, but offer Corvette CUV/SUV V8 options. Currently there is no real performance CUV/SUV at Chevy. Corvette is the ultimate performance auto, so why not have a Corvette performance series of vehicles and leave everything else the way it is. Last performance SUV was my Trailblazer SS 6.0L V8 AWD, bloody fast and fun to drive, Chevy has nothing right now to replace it unless you move up to the Heavy RST Tahoe.

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    @riviera74

    A lotta people will hate me for saying this, but this seems like the perfect opportunity for GM to cut ties between Chevy and the Corvette. Its actually time for this to go its separate way and be sold outta of a Corvette only store or a Cadillac store IF Cadillac is not getting its own version. Heck, even if it is. As a Corvette owner since the 1990s (’79 L82, ’95, ’00 Z51, ’08 Z51, ’14 Z51, ’16 Z06) and a Cadillac owner since ’05 (’05 STS4.6L, ’09 CTS-V, ’12 CTS-V Coupe, ’16 CTS-V) I can honestly say that one gets nowhere near the treatment at a Chevy dealership as U get from a Caddy or BMW, for that matter, one. Corvette is a sports/luxury brand. Its as simple as that. $60-130K says it all. In fact, at this point it is actually more expense than any Cadillac on the top end. Luxury car owners need more.

    That being said.. I think and wish the C7 continued production. To actually help populate a Corvette Brand. It already is a sub-brand and should get full fledged status. We currently have Stingray, Grand Sport, Z06, and ZR1. A mid-engined and CUV would complete the brand and make it full on a Porsche competitor as Zora saw it. Furthermore the Camaro has all the chops to take the Vette’s place in the Chevy line-up.

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    1 hour ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    @riviera74

    A lotta people will hate me for saying this, but this seems like the perfect opportunity for GM to cut ties between Chevy and the Corvette. Its actually time for this to go its separate way and be sold outta of a Corvette only store or a Cadillac store IF Cadillac is not getting its own version. Heck, even if it is. As a Corvette owner since the 1990s (’79 L82, ’95, ’00 Z51, ’08 Z51, ’14 Z51, ’16 Z06) and a Cadillac owner since ’05 (’05 STS4.6L, ’09 CTS-V, ’12 CTS-V Coupe, ’16 CTS-V) I can honestly say that one gets nowhere near the treatment at a Chevy dealership as U get from a Caddy or BMW, for that matter, one. Corvette is a sports/luxury brand. Its as simple as that. $60-130K says it all. In fact, at this point it is actually more expense than any Cadillac on the top end. Luxury car owners need more.

    That being said.. I think and wish the C7 continued production. To actually help populate a Corvette Brand. It already is a sub-brand and should get full fledged status. We currently have Stingray, Grand Sport, Z06, and ZR1. A mid-engined and CUV would complete the brand and make it full on a Porsche competitor as Zora saw it. Furthermore the Camaro has all the chops to take the Vette’s place in the Chevy line-up.

    Yet you know Chevrolet will never let the Corvette go away even though they have Camaro.

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    14 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    @riviera74

    A lotta people will hate me for saying this, but this seems like the perfect opportunity for GM to cut ties between Chevy and the Corvette. Its actually time for this to go its separate way and be sold outta of a Corvette only store or a Cadillac store IF Cadillac is not getting its own version. Heck, even if it is. As a Corvette owner since the 1990s (’79 L82, ’95, ’00 Z51, ’08 Z51, ’14 Z51, ’16 Z06) and a Cadillac owner since ’05 (’05 STS4.6L, ’09 CTS-V, ’12 CTS-V Coupe, ’16 CTS-V) I can honestly say that one gets nowhere near the treatment at a Chevy dealership as U get from a Caddy or BMW, for that matter, one. Corvette is a sports/luxury brand. Its as simple as that. $60-130K says it all. In fact, at this point it is actually more expense than any Cadillac on the top end. Luxury car owners need more.

    That being said.. I think and wish the C7 continued production. To actually help populate a Corvette Brand. It already is a sub-brand and should get full fledged status. We currently have Stingray, Grand Sport, Z06, and ZR1. A mid-engined and CUV would complete the brand and make it full on a Porsche competitor as Zora saw it. Furthermore the Camaro has all the chops to take the Vette’s place in the Chevy line-up.

    I agree with most of what you said, especially when it comes to the dealership experience.  I am concerned that the Vette may end up with an identity problem sometime in the future if Corvette were a separate division.  GM has four divisions now; it was not that long ago that it had as many as nine.  BK forced the required pruning down to where it is now. 

    Does Corvette deserve to be a separate division with its own dealer network of about 500 dealers?  I would say yes.  But as a separate division, Corvette would need great leadership and vision to prevent what happened to Pontiac in the 25 years before BK.

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    21 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    @riviera74

    A lotta people will hate me for saying this, but this seems like the perfect opportunity for GM to cut ties between Chevy and the Corvette. Its actually time for this to go its separate way and be sold outta of a Corvette only store or a Cadillac store IF Cadillac is not getting its own version. Heck, even if it is. As a Corvette owner since the 1990s (’79 L82, ’95, ’00 Z51, ’08 Z51, ’14 Z51, ’16 Z06) and a Cadillac owner since ’05 (’05 STS4.6L, ’09 CTS-V, ’12 CTS-V Coupe, ’16 CTS-V) I can honestly say that one gets nowhere near the treatment at a Chevy dealership as U get from a Caddy or BMW, for that matter, one. Corvette is a sports/luxury brand. Its as simple as that. $60-130K says it all. In fact, at this point it is actually more expense than any Cadillac on the top end. Luxury car owners need more.

    That being said.. I think and wish the C7 continued production. To actually help populate a Corvette Brand. It already is a sub-brand and should get full fledged status. We currently have Stingray, Grand Sport, Z06, and ZR1. A mid-engined and CUV would complete the brand and make it full on a Porsche competitor as Zora saw it. Furthermore the Camaro has all the chops to take the Vette’s place in the Chevy line-up.

     

    6 hours ago, riviera74 said:

    I agree with most of what you said, especially when it comes to the dealership experience.  I am concerned that the Vette may end up with an identity problem sometime in the future if Corvette were a separate division.  GM has four divisions now; it was not that long ago that it had as many as nine.  BK forced the required pruning down to where it is now. 

    Does Corvette deserve to be a separate division with its own dealer network of about 500 dealers?  I would say yes.  But as a separate division, Corvette would need great leadership and vision to prevent what happened to Pontiac in the 25 years before BK.

    While agree with most of what you both say, I actually take a different spin on this using a perfect example as follows:

    In the Greater Pacific Northwest, that covers Oregon and Washington state, there used to be a high end Audio / Video dealer called Magnolia HiFi. They only sold top end gear, always had separate rooms setup so that those that want to experience high quality / high priced gear could try it out, then buy and schedule up installation and configuration on site.

    Magnolia HiFi was founded in 1954 and had 13 top end stores across the PNW. The children were not interested in Audio/Video as their dad, so on Dec 18th 2000 with Revenues topping $100 million a year, Best Buy stepped up and purchased them for $87 Million giving the children a pay day as the father retired.

    Now Why do I bring this up?

    Best buy then opened in every store across North America the Boutique Magnolia store within a store. To this day, Best Buy still has great high end gear / sales due to taking the concept of Magnolia and spreading it across the country in every store they have and making sure that that store inside their store is still the best experience ever.

    This is what I believe GM needs to do with Corvette. Corvette needs to be a Boutique inside of the Chevrolet dealerships that only sells V8 Powered and Electric Powered cars, SUV/CUVs and Trucks. These should ONLY  be top of the line best powered performance auto's.

    The benefit here is that Cheverolet can whore out the rest of the history with entry level to so called SS visual packaged auto's with a bit more power, but when people who do not want the mid level or luxury level names such as GMC, Buick or Cadillac, they step into the Boutique store for a Corvette powered auto.

    That is who I see GM maximizing the Corvette without creating another division or group that has to be separate from the existing company divisions.

    In fact, GM needs to figure out the best way and they might have already by just having all GMC / Buick dealerships be a required merged dealership. Is there any more sepereate GMC or Buick sites? I have not seen any in a long time. GM needs to improve marketing for all name brands covering the full product line and not just spend it all on 1 name plate for a few years till another product gets updated and then shift focus.

    They need Family Coverage Marketing.

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      However, as a result of accommodating regional needs somewhat excessively in each individual region, we recognize that the number of models and variations at the trim and option level have increased and our efficiency has declined. So, we will undertake initiatives to further strengthen our inter-regional coordination and collaboration and advance our art of making automobiles in order to simultaneously increase the attractiveness and efficiency of both global and regional models.
      Strengthening inter-regional coordination and collaboration
      As for inter-regional coordination and collaboration, under the new operational structure we adopted for our automobile operations starting from April, we began reviewing and sharing the product lineup by grouping some of our six regions outside Japan based on a similarity of key factors, such as market needs and environmental regulations. With this initiative, by 2025, we will reduce the total number of variations at the trim and option level for our global models to one-third of what we have now. In addition, we will increase efficiency by eliminating and consolidating some similar regional models into even more competent models shared across multiple regions.
      Advancement of our art of making automobiles (automobile development) 
      As for the advancement of automobile development, since I became the president, we have been increasing the efficiency and speed of our Monozukuri (the art of making things) by innovating the entire process, from planning and development all the way through production, by enabling the S-E-D-B (sales, manufacturing, R&D, purchasing*1) functions to collaborate beyond the boundaries of their divisions.
      Moreover, we have already introduced the Honda Architecture in our development.
      The Honda Architecture is a company-wide initiative which will increase the efficiency of development and expand parts-sharing for our mass-production models. The first model being developed with this new method will be the global model we are launching next year. And we will continue increasing the number of models to which we apply this new architecture.
      With the strengthening of global and regional models through inter-regional coordination and collaboration and with the introduction of the Honda Architecture, by 2025, we will reduce the number of manhours we use for the development of mass-production models by 30%, and we will repurpose those manhours to accelerate our research and development in advanced areas for the future. In this way, we can continue creating new technologies which will support the future of Honda.
      Strengthening our operational structure in the area of production 
      In addition to the area of development, we are further strengthening our operational structure in the area of production as well, so that we can create strong products with high efficiency.
      We are making steady progress in optimizing our production capacity in all regions. When this is complete, we are expecting to see that our global capacity utilization rate, excluding China, will increase from 90% recorded in 2018, and we will be producing at full capacity by 2022.
      In China, the third plant of Dongfeng Honda became newly operational, and this put us in a position where we can definitely accommodate market demand in China. We believe that this progress we made paved the way for the optimization of our global production capacity.
      From here onward, we think it is important to increase our competitiveness by increasing the efficiency of our production system in North America.
      For our business in North America, while keeping pace with sales expansion, we enhanced our model lineup and established a flexible production system where our plants sometimes produce various models in duplication to accommodate changes in market demand. However, as a result of the pursuit of high flexibility, an increase in the investment amount and a decline in production efficiency started to become an issue. Therefore, in North America as well, we will reduce the number of variations at the trim and option level, and at the same time, we will simplify the production model allocation at each plant. Through this initiative, we will re-establish a highly-efficient production system and realize the growth of North American business through the pursuit of quality.
      By implementing these initiatives to increase production efficiency in each region, we are expecting to reduce global cost in the area of production by 10% by 2025, compared to the cost recorded in 2018.
      Through all these initiatives I have mentioned, we will steadily strengthen the structure of our automobile business and realize the solidification of our existing automobile businesses by 2025, and, at the same time, we will accelerate our preparation for the future.
      Direction for the electrification of our automobile products
      Striving to realize a carbon-free society, Honda set a goal to electrify two-thirds of our global automobile unit sales by 2030.
      When we talk about the introduction of electrified vehicles, there are two perspectives. One is the improvement of fuel economy, and the other is zero emissions. Regulations for the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards are becoming increasingly stringent in every country around the world and complying with CAFE standards is one of the most important challenges for the automobile industry. At Honda, in light of the required infrastructure and how people use automobiles, we believe that hybrid technology is, at this moment, the most effective way for us to comply with CAFE standards. Therefore, we will electrify our products mainly with hybrid technologies. By increasing sales of our hybrid models all around the world, Honda will contribute to the global environment through the improvement of fuel economy.
      To this end, we will expand the application of our 2-motor hybrid system to the entire lineup of Honda vehicles. In addition to the 2-motor hybrid system which is compatible with mid-to-large-sized vehicles, we developed a new, more compact 2-motor hybrid system suitable for small-sized vehicles. This small-sized 2-motor hybrid system will be adopted first by the all-new Fit which we are planning to exhibit as a world premiere at the Tokyo Motor Show this fall.
      In addition to the expansion of the lineup of products equipped with the 2-motor hybrid system, we also will expand the application of the 2-motor hybrid system on a global basis. With that, by 2022, we are expecting to reduce the cost of the 2-motor hybrid system by 25% compared to the cost of this system in 2018.
      As for zero emission vehicles, with our battery EVs we will comply with the Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) program being adopted by California and other states in the U.S. and China's New Energy Vehicle (NEV) mandate. We will efficiently introduce our battery EVs to the market by selecting the most appropriate partners and resources to satisfy the different needs in each region.
      In North America, we will jointly develop battery components with General Motors and introduce highly-competitive battery EVs in the market.   
      In China, in order to keep up with the fast speed of electrification, we have already begun introducing battery EV models developed together with our local joint venture companies in China. While envisioning the introduction of battery EV models from the Honda brand, we will continue utilizing local resources in China and introduce more battery EV models in a timely manner to fulfill local market needs in China.
      In Europe and Japan, we will introduce the Honda e, a new battery EV model, which was recently introduced as a prototype at the Geneva Motor Show.
      To summarize, Honda will popularize and improve the business feasibility of electrified vehicles by focusing on hybrid vehicles and battery EVs.
      Changes in operational structure
      In order to ensure the solid implementation of these initiatives I just introduced for our automobile business, we renewed our operational structure as of April. The aims of this structural change are to establish an organization which brings all regional operations together to strongly facilitate inter-regional coordination and collaboration and to increase the speed of our business operations by enabling prompt decisions and prompt execution.
      Today, I introduced our initiatives to strengthen our automobile business structure and the direction of our electrification. Under the new organizational structure, we will realize our goals with a keen sense of speed. 
      Closing
      As we stated in our 2030 Vision, Honda is striving to grow through the pursuit of quality so that we can fulfill our vision to "Serve people worldwide with the joy of expanding their life's potential."
      Honda will continue taking on new challenges while being driven by strong passion, so that we can continue to be a company that society wants to exist even in 2050 after Honda becomes more than 100 years old. 
      *1 S-E-D-B: Sales, Engineering (Manufacturing), Development (R&D), Buying (Purchasing)
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