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    Trump Raises Tariffs on All Mexican Goods

      ... 5%, to 10%, to 25% by October...

    Not content with a trade war just with China, Donald Trump has opened a second front in what is slowly turning into a trade world war.   Yesterday evening, Trump announced that beginning June 10th a 5% tariff would be slapped on all Mexican products coming into the country. That tariff would increase to 10% by July 1st and then go to its 25% maximum in October.  For automakers with razor thin margins, there is absolute certainty that the American consumer will end up paying these tariffs. 

    The White House said in a statement:

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    If the illegal migration crisis is alleviated through effective actions taken by Mexico, to be determined in our sole discretion and judgment, the Tariffs will be removed. If the crisis persists, however, the Tariffs will be raised to 10 percent on July 1, 2019. Similarly, if Mexico still has not taken action to dramatically reduce or eliminate the number of illegal aliens crossing its territory into the United States, Tariffs will be increased to 15 percent on August 1, 2019, to 20 percent on September 1, 2019, and to 25 percent on October 1, 2019. Tariffs will permanently remain at the 25 percent level unless and until Mexico substantially stops the illegal inflow of aliens coming through its territory.

    Goods from Mexico account for 13.6 percent of all imported goods to the U.S, totaling about $346.5 billion. Automobiles and their components are high on the list of goods that are imported from Mexico.  Further complicating matters is that components can move over the border up to 20 times before reaching their final assembly location. 

    General Motors and other domestic manufacturers are going to be hit especially hard.  GM imported 811,000 vehicles from Mexico last year. One of their recent vehicles, the Chevrolet Blazer, caused a stir for being Mexican built when it was put on display at Comerica Park in Detroit at a time when GM was closing five U.S. manufacturing facilities. General Motors eventually took the display down and replaced it with a US built Traverse. 

    Stocks fell sharply Friday morning in response to the tariff announcement. 

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    4 minutes ago, dwightlooi said:

    Just because YOU say so doesn't make it so. I have very clearly explained why they do not. You on the otherhand have offered no argument other than your insistence.

    Why should we believe anything you say? What is your proof for your statements?    Your comments appear to be right-wing propaganda. 

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    15 minutes ago, dwightlooi said:

    Just because YOU say so doesn't make it so. I have very clearly explained why they do not. You on the otherhand have offered no argument other than your insistence.

    That goes both ways. Just because YOU say it doesn’t make it so and I got news for you on this. The facts, the law, and the constitution are not on your side here. Go ahead and send the military to shoot unarmed “foreign invaders” (they are not, no matter how many times you spit that BS) and lay out some land mines. See how that works out. (That was full on sarcasm btw)

     

    It has been very clearly laid out by others and myself why your suggestions are utter BS. You are not as educated as you think you are and your last few posts have proven that hand over fist. 

    11 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Why should we believe anything you say? What is your proof for your statements?  

    We shouldn’t and he doesn’t. His words are almost straight lifted from far right wing extremist websites and their supported propaganda. 

    15 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    1. The people at the border are seeking asylum. The Geneva conventions and other international law dictates that we must treat those people in a certain manner.... blowing them up is certainly not one of the options.  This also addresses your last lines of number 2. 

    2. Due Process is part of the bill of rights. Sorry, not sorry. 

    3. The whole reason we have Gitmo as a detention center is that if the prisoners were brought to the US mainland, they got certain constitutional protections.  

    Allowing doctors to refuse to treat Trans patients... no other group is subject to this right of refusal.
    Banning of transgender people in the military.... they've been serving openly since the Obama administration with no issues. Why ban them now other than to be evil to a group of people you don't like? Don't give me the "medical costs" argument... the military spends more on Viagra than they do on general medical care for Trans members.
    Changed the terms of student loan forgiveness applications so that now 99% of all applications are denied. This is supposed to go to firefighters, police, ems, teachers and other people who provide public service. Not only that, the Trump admin is also trying to say that the loan companies should be protected from lawsuits for deceptive practices surrounding the program. 

    Locked kids in cages.
    Locked sick kids in cages and denied them medical care resulting in their deaths
    Locked kids in cages while their parents got deported with no known way of reuniting the families
    "Lost" over 1,000 kids.
    Running concentration camps.
    Arresting people who offer water to people who might be illegal. 

    5th and 14th amendment.  I don't need to go further.  Done. 

    Like yesterday, I’d up vote this a thousand times but alas, I’m out lol. 

     

    Im thinking this conversation has probably run its course but that’s just my opinion. Back to some pool therapy for me. Peace. 

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    1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    1. The people at the border are seeking asylum. The Geneva conventions and other international law dictates that we must treat those people in a certain manner.... blowing them up is certainly not one of the options.  This also addresses your last lines of number 2. 

    2. Due Process is part of the bill of rights. Sorry, not sorry. 

    3. The whole reason we have Gitmo as a detention center is that if the prisoners were brought to the US mainland, they got certain constitutional protections.   

    Allowing doctors to refuse to treat Trans patients... no other group is subject to this right of refusal.
    Banning of transgender people in the military.... they've been serving openly since the Obama administration with no issues. Why ban them now other than to be evil to a group of people you don't like? Don't give me the "medical costs" argument... the military spends more on Viagra than they do on general medical care for Trans members.
    Changed the terms of student loan forgiveness applications so that now 99% of all applications are denied. This is supposed to go to firefighters, police, ems, teachers and other people who provide public service. Not only that, the Trump admin is also trying to say that the loan companies should be protected from lawsuits for deceptive practices surrounding the program. 

    Locked kids in cages.
    Locked sick kids in cages and denied them medical care resulting in their deaths
    Locked kids in cages while their parents got deported with no known way of reuniting the families
    "Lost" over 1,000 kids.
    Running concentration camps.
    Arresting people who offer water to people who might be illegal. 

    (1) Actually, the USA is NOT party to all of the Geneva Conventions. More specifically, the USA is NOT a signatory to:-

    Protocol I (1977) relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts

    Protocol II (1977) relating to the Protection of Victims of Non-International Armed Conflicts

    The USA is also NOT a party to the Ottawa Treaty prohibiting landmines and cluster munitions, either.

    Don't believe me? Look it up! In any case, even if the USA is there is no stopping the USA from withdrawing from treaties that is no longer in the national interest of the USA. Nobody has to be blown up; they do not have to cross the border. It is static defense; very different from having A10s cluster bomb the Caravans (for instance). There will be clear signs saying "Minefield AHEAD". We have as much right to mine our border as Korea has to mine theirs with North Korea. It is called National Defense.

    (2) Due process is what laws and regulations define them to be. It is perfectly constitutional for congress to pass a law saying that the USA will grant asylum ONLY to compromised US Spies and defectors from enemy regimes we are trying to undermine. And, that the due process is that they get to speak to a State Department Representative who will determine whether the applicant is a Spy or qualifying defector. If he is not, the due process is that he be deported to his country, the country he entered the USA from or to different country (who will accept him) within 30 days.

    (3) Detaining Kids is the RIGHT THING TO DO. Firstly, being of a certain age does not entitle a foreigner to enter or stay in the USA. Secondly, if you cannot ascertain the identity of the kid or whoever "claims" to be their parents, it is wrong and dangerous to release them to the custody or proximity of potential strangers -- who can be human traffickers. Thirdly IT IS standard policy and the proper practice for the Obama, Bush, Clinton, Papa Bush and Reagan administrations.

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