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    Review: 2017 Cadillac CT6 Platinum 3.0TT

    • A Cinderella story for Cadillac's flagship sedan

    There has been a common theme for most of the Cadillac vehicles I have reviewed over the past few years. They are always so close to being up there with the best, but there is one thing or trait that knocks them down. Such examples include interior appointments that don’t match up with the price being asked, confusing infotainment systems, and engines that don’t quite match up with the image being portrayed. This was floating around in the back of my head when a 2017 Cadillac CT6 Platinum rolled up onto my driveway. This is an important model for Cadillac as it is taking on the likes of the BMW 7-Series and Mercedes-Benz S-Class. The little things can make or break a sedan in the class.

    Seeing the Cadillac CT6 for the first time at Detroit Auto Show a few years ago, I wasn’t too impressed. The toned-down Art & Science design made me feel that the CT6 blended in with other luxury sedans. But after spending a bit of time with this CT6, I grew to like the design. Yes, the design language has lost some edge found on other Cadillacs, but there is still some sharpness with hard angles and bold lines. The Platinum adds some touches that really bring out the CT6’s shape. A chrome grille helps give the model a more imposing front end and a set of optional 20-inch wheels finished in ‘Midnight Silver’ do an excellent job of filling in the wheel wells. 

    If there has been a consistent weak point to Cadillac’s recent models, it has to be interior. On first glance, it seems they have it nailed down with a modern design and quality materials. But when you sit inside and begin to take a closer look, that illusion begins to go away. A fair amount of the materials used doesn't quite match up the luxury aura being presented such as the sheet piano black trim used for touch-sensitive controls on a number of Cadillac models. But the brand is improving as we noted in our XT5 review, and the CT6 is much the same. There is a noticeable step-up in terms of materials such as fine leather, carbon fiber accents, and wood trim. This comes wrapped in a handsomely-designed dashboard. There are some areas Cadillac still needs to do some work on such as the plasticity controls for the climate control system. 

    The front seats are a treat to sit in thanks to the right amount of cushioning and support. The Platinum trim gets 20-way power seats for both the driver and passenger to help dial in the right position. Those sitting in the back will be pleased to find generous head and legroom. As added bonus, you can order heated and ventilated seats, power adjustments, and a rear entertainment system to make the back more luxurious. The only downside to sitting in the back is that the CT6 isn’t long enough to take full advantage of the power adjustments. I felt somewhat cramped when I had the back seat fully reclined and my legs touching the back of the front seat. A few more inches in the wheelbase would fix this issue.

    Cadillac’s CUE system has undergone some changes for the CT6. Most of the touch-sensitive buttons have either been dropped or replaced with actual, physical buttons. Being able to press a button or flick a switch to change a setting is a welcome change and less frustrating than the touch-sensitive controls. It would have been nice if Cadillac swapped the touch-sensitive volume strip for an actual knob, but at least you can adjust it via the steering wheel controls. Cadillac also added a touchpad controller (think Lexus’ Remote Touch system) for CUE. It is a nice idea on paper, but the execution shows Cadillac needs to do a bit more work. The touchpad is hypersensitive and tends to overshoot from where you want the cursor. You’re better off using the touchscreen. As for CUE itself, the system comes with a faster processor, some tweaks to the interface, and Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility. These changes make CUE less frustrating to use on a daily basis.

    There are three engines on offer for the CT6. The base is a turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder, followed by a 3.6L V6. Our Platinum tester featured the big dog; a twin-turbo 3.0L V6 offering 404 horsepower and 400 pound-feet of torque (@ 2,500 - 5,100 rpm)  Power goes to all four wheels via an eight-speed automatic. Performance for the twin-turbo six may not have same exuberance as V8s found in competitors, but it isn’t a slouch. This engine rockets the CT6 at a surprising rate of speed. Those who have timed the vehicle say it will hit 60 mph in around five seconds and we would believe it. Torque is abundant throughout rev range, meaning you should have no issue trying to merge on the freeway or make a pass. The eight-speed automatic has the right characteristics you want in a flagship sedan, smooth and unobtrusive shifts.

    EPA fuel economy figures for the CT6 3.0TT stand at 18 City/26 Highway/21 Combined. Our average for the week landed around 22 mpg in mostly city driving.

    Describing a sedan that measures 204 inches in overall length as ‘agile’ seems very disingenuous. But the CT6 is that. Drive it around a turn and the CT6 feels like a smaller sedan with nimble manners and well-controlled body motions. Some credit has to go Active Chassis package that comes standard on the Platinum and comes with the excellent Magnetic Ride Control system and rear-wheel steering. 

    But most buyers who tend to buy a sedan of this caliber don’t really care about handling. Ride quality is king here and that’s where the CT6 begins to falter. When equipped with the Magnetic Ride Control system, the ride is just a touch too firm. You will feel more bumps in this than some of the CT6’s competition. It would be nice if Cadillac could offer an air suspension for those who want comfort. On the upside, road and wind noise are kept to near silent levels.

    It seems somewhat surprising to call the CT6 Platinum a great value, but it actually is. The Platinum 3.0TT begins at $87,495 and our test car with a few options (20-inch wheels, white paint, and spoiler) comes in at $91,580. Considering you have to spend a fair amount more on competitors to match the level of equipment on offer, the CT6 Platinum is quite the steal.

    Most of Cadillac’s vehicles have fallen into the cliche of ‘being so close, yet so far’ due to some odd or boneheaded decision. But the CT6 is the first Cadillac that has avoided this. It feels like Cadillac is starting to feel comfortable in this new identity that it has been putting out there since the mid-2000s, a legitimate competitor to the Germans. The CT6 stands out for a number of reasons; excellent driving dynamics, impressive interior, punchy V6, and being quite the value. There are some niggling issues such as a firm ride and questionable materials, but these can and should be addressed down the road. Whether the CT6 can draw people away from the usual suspects remains to be seen. 

    If Cadillac can take what they have learned from the CT6 and implement them into future models, then we can say something that hasn’t been used in a long time, ‘Standard of the World’.

    Disclaimer: Cadillac Provided the CT6, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas

    Year: 2017
    Make: Cadillac
    Model: CT6
    Trim: Platinum
    Engine: Twin-Turbo 3.0L DI DOHC with VVT V6
    Driveline: Eight-Speed Automatic, All-Wheel Drive
    Horsepower @ RPM: 404 @ 5,700
    Torque @ RPM: 400 @ 2,500 - 5,100
    Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 18/26/21
    Curb Weight: 4,085 lbs
    Location of Manufacture: Detroit, MI
    Base Price: $87,495
    As Tested Price: $91,580 (Includes $995.00 Destination Charge)

    Options:
    20" Midnight Silver Wheels - $2,095.00
    Crystal White Tricoat - $500.00
    Spoiler Kit - $495.00

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    19 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    The AMG V12 hasn't really seen an power increase in 10 years, because they want to protect the transmission and drivetrain and not have reliability issues.  Plus you can only get so much power on the ground.  There was talk a couple years ago that AMG would raise the power of the V12, that engine makes well over 800 lb-ft but they de-tune it.  But they haven't done anything.  I'd like to see them get all wheel drive matched with the V12 so they can get the power down and let it loose. 

    Mercedes can get 200 hp per liter if they want, they already do it on the CLA45, their F1 car makes like 500 hp per liter.  So the know how is there, they just don't seem to want to change the V12.

    Ferrari doesn't do a lot with batteries, the LaFerrari is more like the F1 energy recovery system and electric boost motor, I don't think think it can drive on battery alone like the Porsche 918 can.  I think when AMG gets into that, they are going to make a big splash, because they are going to apply the F1 technology to the road,

    Yep, and police cars, and emergency services SUVs, military trucks, semi trucks, garbage trucks, busses, etc.  All that and still no one can beat them in luxury cars, no one can beat them in racing.

    Yes they sure have de-tuned it...

    Pagani uses this engine with its fullest potential intact...but uses a transmission from another company other than what M-B uses...that does not bode well for the "prestige" of owning a Mercedes-Benz V12...

    Its funny as both GM and Chrsyler use their own transmissions WITHOUT the fear of catastrophic failure..

    And..lest NOT forget that the HOT ROD world pushes MOPAR and GM engines to HYPERCAR levels OFTEN using the transmissions that GM or MOPAR produce!

    Also....in time....A Pagani, or a M-B Black Series will just be LS swapped...just like the Ferraris every other car out there....

    I was searching to post a Ferrari but this came up....LAMBORGHINIS are not safe either anymore...

    So much for prestigious Italian prouncing horses and V12s being the Grand Daddy of them all!

    The Corvette V8 looks like its the MOTHER of all engines!

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    A Cadillac CT8 with a CADILLAC V8 will do just fine in the UBER class!

    Remember

    This is what Cadillac does best

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    And there was a 500 cubic inch V8 under that hood.

    THAT is what people want from Cadillac. There is no need for a V12.

    And THAT is why I said a V12 means shyte!

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    17 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Fully loaded is relative.  The CT6 doesn't have a V8 or a V12, doesn't have a refrigerator, heated arm rests, a sunroof that can change from clear glass to solid with push up a button, doesn't have pillow head rests or champagne flutes, no autonomous drive or Lidar, the list goes on.  You can option an S-class up to $250,000.  If the CT6 was so good, then Cadillac would charge $130,000 for it and sell 100,000 a year.  But they can't do that, the S-class is the only car in the world that can sell that volume at that price.  Escalade isn't even sold in Europe or China, so Cadillac's premier product though a huge cash cow in the USA misses completely in 2 of the 3 largest auto markets in the world.

    U still lose. What I'm saying is that the CT6 comes fully loaded about $10K less than the price the dime a dozen S550 4matic. Sick of looking at them..  They don't even come off as exclusive. BTW there sales are subsidized in the same way that Caddy sell excess XTSs. The CT8 has great potential of creating a beautiful extention of an excellent, well thought out line of luxury vehicles. What you should fear is the fact that Cadillac is selling more vehicles in China than the US without the need for the Slade. Again.. Adding anymore vehicles to the line will only add volume in a positive way without a need to whore out everything under the tarp. Mercedes is a whore. A dirty skank of a whore who sucks fat ones that haven't been washed in days. 

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    arrive in a cadillac and people ask how much you got off sticker during a promotion

    arrive in a mercedes and people ask you for a promotion

    #justsayin

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    16 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

    arrive in a cadillac and people ask how much you got off sticker during a promotion

    arrive in a mercedes and people ask you for a promotion

    #justsayin

    Yeah...sure...

    With all the big shots that I serve at my restaurant with the leased dime a dozen C-Class or GLA who ask me the price difference between a hamburger and a cheeseburger and then bitch at the 50 cent difference and opt out for the cheese while paying their bill by credit  card....probably their loaded up credit card!

    Or the baseball moms  that drive  in their big boy GL SUVs whose sons and daughters play baseball/softball with my kids and when we get invited to their homes...they got the big pools and the expensive BBQs and the pave uni exterior landscaping....all the parts that show from the OUTSIDE yet their basements are unfinished and their homes are literally empty on the inside and if furnished, furnished with IKEA furniture....

     

     

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    In Canada if you show up in a current CTS (less than 100 sell a month) or CT6 (30 sell a month) most would wonder what is that, haven't seen one before. ATS occasionally gets lease deals for under 400 a month 0 down so there are some out there and sells a few hundred a month.

     

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    6 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    Then please oh please explain how an Escalade, you know that overdressed Tahoe you love to bring up, beat all competitors in the most recent comparison on top of being a top seller in its class. 

    I have always said the Escalade is highly successful.  I don't like that it is a Tahoe but to the people buying it they want a big trucky SUV and the Escalade hits the sweet spot for those buyers.  Cadillac would be fools to change the formula on that product.

    The Escalade is not sold in China which is the number 1 auto market in the world now.  That is a problem.  Escalade doesn't sell to the performance crowd. Cadillac fans preach how the CT6's weight makes it best in class the Escalade is the heaviest and thirstiest in its class.  A polar opposite of what Cadillac tries to do with their sedans.  I have thought for years they need another large SUV that can do performance and that can sell in China, Omega platform would fit that.

     

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    6 minutes ago, frogger said:

    In Canada if you show up in a current CTS or CT6 most would wonder what is that, haven't seen one before. ATS occasionally gets lease deals for under 400 a month 0 down so there are some out there.

     

    In Quebec in the Montreal region, the ATS is literally everywhere!

    Yes its got very aggressive lease deals, the fact of the matter is, Im willing to put money down, I havent checked any sales figures, but Im will to bet that in the Montreal region the ATS outsells the BMW 2 and 3 Series and the M-B C-Class!

    And EVERY customer I talk to about their ATS ALL LOVE the ATS!

    It is I who questions the existence of the ATS because I question the ATS' ability to catapult Cadillac to the next level....but at least in Quebec, the ATS has built quite a loyal following...

     

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    1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

    Yes they sure have de-tuned it...

    Pagani uses this engine with its fullest potential intact...but uses a transmission from another company other than what M-B uses...that does not bode well for the "prestige" of owning a Mercedes-Benz V12...

    Its funny as both GM and Chrsyler use their own transmissions WITHOUT the fear of catastrophic failure..

    And..lest NOT forget that the HOT ROD world pushes MOPAR and GM engines to HYPERCAR levels OFTEN using the transmissions that GM or MOPAR produce!

    Also....in time....A Pagani, or a M-B Black Series will just be LS swapped...just like the Ferraris every other car out there....

    I was searching to post a Ferrari but this came up....LAMBORGHINIS are not safe either anymore...

    So much for prestigious Italian prouncing horses and V12s being the Grand Daddy of them all!

    The Corvette V8 looks like its the MOTHER of all engines!

    lamborghini-diablo-with-ls3-v8-engine-sw

     

    A Cadillac CT8 with a CADILLAC V8 will do just fine in the UBER class!

    Remember

    This is what Cadillac does best

    72Eldo1.jpg

    And there was a 500 cubic inch V8 under that hood.

    THAT is what people want from Cadillac. There is no need for a V12.

    And THAT is why I said a V12 means shyte!

    It is actually physically impossible for a V8 to have the NVH that a V12 can achieve.  You can't get Rolls Royce Phantom refinement out of a V8.  That is why Mercedes sticks with that V12 even when their V8 car is faster.  You also can't charge as much for a V8 as you can a V12.  With the Bentley Mulsanne being the lone exception.

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    @FAPTurbo

    Then there is the red neck BMW or Mercedes owner where these owners own and drive 10 year old, burnt headlighted because too expensives to replace, sometimes rusted out 3 and 5 Series Bimmers and C and E class cars pretending to be big time playas!

    Oh yes....BMW and Mercedes has reached that zenith where Cadillac once was with the low class crowd pretending to be somebodys!

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    26 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    I have always said the Escalade is highly successful.  I don't like that it is a Tahoe but to the people buying it they want a big trucky SUV and the Escalade hits the sweet spot for those buyers.  Cadillac would be fools to change the formula on that product.

    The Escalade is not sold in China which is the number 1 auto market in the world now.  That is a problem.  Escalade doesn't sell to the performance crowd. Cadillac fans preach how the CT6's weight makes it best in class the Escalade is the heaviest and thirstiest in its class.  A polar opposite of what Cadillac tries to do with their sedans.  I have thought for years they need another large SUV that can do performance and that can sell in China, Omega platform would fit that.

     

    Tip toe around it but the fact remains that those "Tahoe Bones" do not delude the prestige, the performance, and the luxury of the Escalade. It matter not one damn bit what chasis it uses when it beats the hell out of the competition that is supposedly "the best" of you believe the marketing hyped commercials. 

     

    And we are not talking about China here so no bar moving. 

     

    I do wondwe one thing though. Will you express a similar disappointment if Benz brings that pick up over here, Frontier bones and all?

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    1 hour ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    U still lose. What I'm saying is that the CT6 comes fully loaded about $10K less than the price the dime a dozen S550 4matic. Sick of looking at them..  They don't even come off as exclusive. BTW there sales are subsidized in the same way that Caddy sell excess XTSs. The CT8 has great potential of creating a beautiful extention of an excellent, well thought out line of luxury vehicles. What you should fear is the fact that Cadillac is selling more vehicles in China than the US without the need for the Slade. Again.. Adding anymore vehicles to the line will only add volume in a positive way without a need to whore out everything under the tarp. Mercedes is a whore. A dirty skank of a whore who sucks fat ones that haven't been washed in days. 

    A "fully loaded" Hyundai Sonata is $50k less than a CT6, doesn't make it better.  Fully loaded doesn't mean anything when one car has half the features of the other.  The S-class has factory bullet proofing as an option even, it not only comes in short and long wheelbase, but in Maybach and Pullman versions as well, plus coupe and convertible.  My 9 year old Mercedes faster than top engine CT6.  So why would someone with a 4-5 year old Mercedes and $100k laying around want a CT6?

    As far as China goes, Cadillac sold 116,000 cars there in 2016.  Jaguar-Land Rover sold 119,000.  Mercedes sold 472,000, BMW (with Mini) 516,000 and Audi 591,000.

    In Europe Mercedes sold 840,000 units, Audi 831,000, and BMW 821,000.  Jaguar-Land Rover sold 222,000 and Cadillac isn't even a player there.  

    Cadillac in 2017 should sell more vehicles in China than the USA, but they need more crossovers in both markets in a bad way.

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    27 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    It is actually physically impossible for a V8 to have the NVH that a V12 can achieve.  You can't get Rolls Royce Phantom refinement out of a V8.  That is why Mercedes sticks with that V12 even when their V8 car is faster.  You also can't charge as much for a V8 as you can a V12.  With the Bentley Mulsanne being the lone exception.

    Oh yes you can!

     

    You are thinking about these kinds of V8s...

     

    But a V8 is smooooooth

    sure its a Lexus...

     

    But that 500 cubic inch Cadillac V8 was that smoooooth too! With a helluva lot more torques!

    Hell...my dad's 1979 Impala and my own 1985 Olds Delta  305 catalytic converter mess was smoooooth too! Smoother than a V12?

    Probably not....Chevy and Oldsmobile not uber luxury Cadillac class....and we are talking about GM's malaise period to which Lexus had an answer for in that 1989 commercial!

    Coinkidinkies....that Lexus commercial was also a shot towards Mercedes Benz too! More so for M-B than Cadillac...

    Besides....cam technology has advanced big time to make V8s as smooth as you want them to be....

     

    Cadillac cant charge that much for a V8?

    Not now they cant....perception is all phoqued....

    But....they once did!!!

    From the late 1940s to the mid 1970s they did! (for V8 power)....because in the late 1920s and 1930s Cadillac had V16s...but....the V8 won out...ask yourself why in the cubic inched crazed 1960s, Cadillac chose not to sell anything but V8s?

    Because V12s mean shyte!

     

     

     

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    18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    A "fully loaded" Hyundai Sonata is $50k less than a CT6, doesn't make it better.  Fully loaded doesn't mean anything when one car has half the features of the other.  The S-class has factory bullet proofing as an option even, it not only comes in short and long wheelbase, but in Maybach and Pullman versions as well, plus coupe and convertible.  My 9 year old Mercedes faster than top engine CT6.  So why would someone with a 4-5 year old Mercedes and $100k laying around want a CT6?

    As far as China goes, Cadillac sold 116,000 cars there in 2016.  Jaguar-Land Rover sold 119,000.  Mercedes sold 472,000, BMW (with Mini) 516,000 and Audi 591,000.

    In Europe Mercedes sold 840,000 units, Audi 831,000, and BMW 821,000.  Jaguar-Land Rover sold 222,000 and Cadillac isn't even a player there.  

    Cadillac in 2017 should sell more vehicles in China than the USA, but they need more crossovers in both markets in a bad way.

    I love how you continue to compare the entire Mercedes portfolio (China sales figures) to one GM brand. Want to compare Mercedes Benz to GM in China? That is a more accurate comparison. Buick alone sold over 1.2 million cars, cars that compete with lower trim Mercedes. 

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    9 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Totally subjective as MB has NOT built the best cars in the world for the last 40+ years. The S class has been shit at times especially in the 70-s to early 90's. 80's being the worst.

    The interiors were horrendous in this era. Couple that with the innovation of plastic cladding and; yikes.

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    4 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    The interiors were horrendous in this era. Couple that with the innovation of plastic cladding and; yikes.

    PLUS....the crappy reliabilty and the electrical nightmares which to this day is still horrendous!

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    2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    1) A "fully loaded" Hyundai Sonata is $50k less than a CT6, doesn't make it better.  Fully loaded doesn't mean anything when one car has half the features of the other.  

    2) The S-class has factory bullet proofing as an option even,

    3) it not only comes in short and long wheelbase, but in Maybach and Pullman versions as well, plus coupe and convertible.  

    4) My 9 year old Mercedes faster than top engine CT6.  So why would someone with a 4-5 year old Mercedes and $100k laying around want a CT6?

    5) As far as China goes, Cadillac sold 116,000 cars there in 2016.  Jaguar-Land Rover sold 119,000.  Mercedes sold 472,000, BMW (with Mini) 516,000 and Audi 591,000.

    6)In Europe Mercedes sold 840,000 units, Audi 831,000, and BMW 821,000.  Jaguar-Land Rover sold 222,000 and Cadillac isn't even a player there.  

    7) Cadillac in 2017 should sell more vehicles in China than the USA, but they need more crossovers in both markets in a bad way.

     

    1) The Hyundai is in a different segment altogether. Two rungs down and isn't even considered to be tops of the Mainstream Class let alone the Premium or Luxo. In other words I can get drunk off of Mad Dog 20/20, or I can get drunk off Pappy Van Winkle.. either way.. I'm getting drunk.. But I can tell U from experience.. I'm gonna enjoy the shit outta Old Van way more than I will the MD

    2) Who the FUCK.. gives a FUCK.. except dignitaries and cartel bosses.. who could give a fuck less if its factory or aftermarket?

    3) Granted.. U will see that the trend here will be that this is the only point I agree on.. because quite frankly I think U're stupid and not in my league

    4) In 2009, since we are entering 2018MY, we had the E350 with 268HP, E550 with 382HP, and E63AMG with 507HP. In 2009 Cadillac had the STSV6 with 304HP and the STS-V with 469HP.. they also had as a still then, as it remains.. larger than EClass, CTS3.6L with 263HP, CTS3.6LDi with 304HP, and CTS-V with 556HP.  Still to this day I fail at seeing WHY THE FUCK.. U keep bring the CT6 up when U speak about your Taxicab of an EClass. If U must play.. the 2009 E550, I assume U bought... according the MT had a 0-60 (because its the measure by which U live by in your house of shit) 4.8 second 0-to-60 sprint and a 13.4 second quarter mile at 105.3 mph, While the CT6.. a car over a foot longer, and several inches wider...  put down 5.0 seconds and quarter mile of 13.4 seconds at 105 mph.. But wait.. it gets weird. The longer, wider CT6 also manages to pull a .88G vs the lil ass Benz's .82G, Stops in 106 ft versus the lil Bitch.. I mean Benz's 124ft, does the figure eight in 25.4 sec @ 0.75 g (avg) vs the Benz 27.1 sec @ 0.65 g (avg)

    5) Cadillac sold.. ALONE 116K vehicles without the Escalade. LR-Jag is 4SUVs and 4 Cars. I would say that they shouldbe ashamed that Cadillac came that close selling the just the CTS, ATS, XT5, CT6, and XTS.. , When U bring up Mercedes and Audi selling in big numbers U fail to include the fact that they are selling to the same consumers as Cadillac's sisters Buick and Chevy are selling  to with a great deal of their product

    6) Cadillac isn't a player there.. and personally I never saw a reason why they needed to be. Europe isn't even profitable on its own for Benz, BMW, and Audi.. Their labor is the most expensive in the world. 

    7) Null

    Great points.. all of them.. if U were like Frank Reynolds.. and had a Donkey Brain Certificate saying U weren't dimwitted.

    U don't do U??? Have a Donkey Brains Certificate?

    It would let U off the hook for having the brain.. of a Donkey.

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    Cadillac didn't lose on LUXURY around the 90s. it had that in spades. It lost on the transition from LUXURY to LUX-SPORT as Gen X wanted their luxo to be able to handle

     

    Backseat of a Fleetwood Brougham d-Elegance circa 1990

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    and an 560SEL same year... 

    AMG-1990-560-SEC-Mercedes-24.jpg

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    2 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    Cadillac didn't lose on LUXURY around the 90s. it had that in spades. It lost on the transition from LUXURY to LUX-SPORT as Gen X wanted their luxo to be able to handle

     

    Backseat of a Fleetwood Brougham d-Elegance circa 1990

    90cadsac68.JPG

    and an 560SEL same year... 

    AMG-1990-560-SEC-Mercedes-24.jpg

    That's actually an SEC interior (2dr).   The SEL didn't have the center console, and had a reclining back seat. 

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    2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    As far as China goes, Cadillac sold 116,000 cars there in 2016. Mercedes sold 472,000.

    Yes MB sold more than Cadillac, but then lets look at that 472,000. This included all their car versions, vans, trucks,etc. 

    So if we look at GM, then the 1.6 million auto's they sold in 2016 clearly beats MB.

    Apple to Apple comparison. Cadillac, Buick and Chevy equal the whole MB product line.

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    19 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    That's actually an SEC interior (2dr).   The SEL didn't have the center console, and had a reclining back seat. 

    Regardless.. its still an S-Class.. 

    11 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Yes MB sold more than Cadillac, but then lets look at that 472,000. This included all their car versions, vans, trucks,etc. 

    So if we look at GM, then the 1.6 million auto's they sold in 2016 clearly beats MB.

    Apple to Apple comparison. Cadillac, Buick and Chevy equal the whole MB product line.

    GM sold 3.87M vehicles in China in 2016

    Cadillac Sold 116K

    Buick sold 1.2 Mil

    Chevy sold 525K

    Baojun 688K

    Wuling sold 1.3 Mil

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    2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    I love how you continue to compare the entire Mercedes portfolio (China sales figures) to one GM brand. Want to compare Mercedes Benz to GM in China? That is a more accurate comparison. Buick alone sold over 1.2 million cars, cars that compete with lower trim Mercedes. 

    Buick sells econoboxes like the Excell in China.  And the entire Mercedes portfolio in China, is Mercedes.  1 brand of luxury cars.  So I compared it to one brand of luxury cars.

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    51 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    The interiors were horrendous in this era. Couple that with the innovation of plastic cladding and; yikes.

     

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      10 hours ago, dfelt said:

    Totally subjective as MB has NOT built the best cars in the world for the last 40+ years. The S class has been $h! at times especially in the 70-s to early 90's. 80's being the worst.

    From wikipedia:  "The different body styles of the W126 S-Class achieved a combined sales total of 892,123 units (818,063 sedans and 74,060 coupés), making the W126 the most popular S-Class ever produced."

    I think still to this day the W126 S-class is the number 1 selling luxury car of all time.  It was pretty much the car that cemented Mercedes world wide reputation and sales growth.  Those 80s Cadillacs are what killed Cadillac's reputation and led to their demise.  

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    6 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Buick sells econoboxes like the Excell in China.  And the entire Mercedes portfolio in China, is Mercedes.  1 brand of luxury cars.  So I compared it to one brand of luxury cars.

    Yeah because I'd feel like the king of the town showing up in an A or B Class...

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    From wikipedia:  "The different body styles of the W126 S-Class achieved a combined sales total of 892,123 units (818,063 sedans and 74,060 coupés), making the W126 the most popular S-Class ever produced."

    I think still to this day the W126 S-class is the number 1 selling luxury car of all time.  It was pretty much the car that cemented Mercedes world wide reputation and sales growth.  Those 80s Cadillacs are what killed Cadillac's reputation and led to their demise.  

    This guy:rolleyes: the Impala still holds the record for over a 1 Million sold in one year. TWICE.. just counting the U.S.A... My country.. get your Kraut lovin ass out

    and where is your response from the NUMBERED response I gave to your quote

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