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  2. ^ Right now the federal gas tax is 18.4 cents & the tax on diesel is 24.4 cents.
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  4. Random Thoughts Thread

    You can see the tattered edges of black canvas around the perimeter. Maybe it is a fiberglass shell with the black canvas glued to it.
  5. Kia News: 2018 Kia Stinger to Begin At $32,800, GT At $39,200

    @Sal Collaziano I dont do numbers anymore. I dont argue about them either. When someone INSISTS on one car being faster than another and then proceeds to tell me that that car is better than the other JUST BECAUSE of said numbers I just ignore. I am NOT saying that is what you did here. Nor am I accusing you of anything, I am just telling you how I am and how I deal with numbers. I know that numbers change from day to day and from track to track and all kinds of factors are involved. Factors like the test drivers for instance. Skill also plays a role with numbers. Just to let you know, I was not offended by any of your comments, nor did I judge you negatively in any way. I just wanted sound discourse and I want us to continue with sound discourse in the future, you and I. I did not mean anything by my posts to you. I just wanted you to understand why I and CCAP questioned the "under 12 seconds" remark. I just wanted to point out and correct the discrepancy. Nothing more, nothing less. You should post in here more often as I enjoy reading your posts!!!
  6. Random Thoughts Thread

    DuraMax don't know the meaning of 'can't':
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    Not going to lie....made me tear up a bit....reminds me of a good friend I lost a few years back... Thanks for sharing....
  8. I have a better idea: tax diesel fuel the same as gasoline. Poof: no more subsidies. It is rare that governments SHOULD have energy subsidies of one form or another. Those subsidies distort markets and consumer choice. It is best to get rid themselves of them.
  9. Subaru News: Subaru's First EV To Arrive In 2020

    I've always had a soft spot for the 'prez, so you know I like this idea. Can't go wrong with both EV and AWD.....
  10. Review: 2017 Fiat 124 Spider Abarth

    Interesting, feel the same way about the Miata. Took me a while to drive one, but I totally understand why folks love them the way they do. As much fun as I make of them 124, I bet it is fun to drive too....
  11. Kia News: 2018 Kia Stinger to Begin At $32,800, GT At $39,200

    A sub 13 sec quarter mile and a sub 5 sec 0-60 time...hard to imagine those numbers and Kia in the same sentence..fascinating times we live in..
  12. Random Thoughts Thread

    I believe it was canvas that had been sun-bleached back to white in the many years (circa 1959-1989) it sat outside. BTW- Pontiac also showed the same formal configuration in '53 :
  13. Review: 2017 Fiat 124 Spider Abarth

    No it isn't. It is a turn indicator. I watched the video on YouTube going over the functions. It is a turn indicator for people who are in the lane next to you.
  14. Kia News: 2018 Kia Stinger to Begin At $32,800, GT At $39,200

    Our whole conversation at this point is just one big accident because I should have never said the car does the 1/4 in under 12 seconds. Total accident and I apologize for wasting your time. All that you wrote up there - should have never happened... I've been running a Stinger community for an entire year and never once said (or even remotely believed) the Stinger was anything but a high 12 second/low 13 second car. It was just a slip of the brain that my statement came out that way. My fail of the year.
  15. Random Thoughts Thread

    When I saw that rear roof in white and looking amateur, I was alarmed. Now I'm more than pleased.
  16. Random Thoughts Thread

    dfelt- those 4 circles in the rear bumper are lights- the exhaust is fed thru the bumper corners, under the bullets & thru grilled ports. The EBTC recently took a trip back to Warhoops where it was rescued from, circa 1989 :
  17. Kia News: 2018 Kia Stinger to Begin At $32,800, GT At $39,200

    I never said that you did. I just mentioned that because you mentioned that before any discussions were made. Im just reassuring you that he and I were not annoyed with the Stinger's numbers and all we want is sound discourse.
  18. Kia News: 2018 Kia Stinger to Begin At $32,800, GT At $39,200

    Well that's my facepalm of the day and what I get for rushing. I meant to say something like "runs 12 second 1/4 miles out of the showroom". Yes, of course, if it were running anything like 11.99 or under and cost anywhere near $50k, that would be tremendous news... I'll come back and read this rest tomorrow. I'm out of time for today - but I HAD to come back and correct that error... Also, I never said he (ccap41) was annoyed at anything. I said, "I can see how it may annoy some people" - that wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I actually wrote that line before he began participating in the discussion...
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  20. Kia News: 2018 Kia Stinger to Begin At $32,800, GT At $39,200

    12.79 seconds is totally NOT under 12 seconds. That is .79 seconds and that is a whole lot. That does not mean that 12.79 seconds in the quarter mile is not fast, because it is. But...saying the Stinger does the 1/4 mile in under 12 seconds means that the Stinger is an 11 second car. But these guys did the 1/4 mile in 12.79 seconds....that is quite a big gap for the Stinger to be an 11 second car. In fact, its a high 12 second car. Meaning, the way you presented the Stinger, you made it seem like it belonged in the 11 sec bracket. Its a 12 second car. Just to give you an idea, (forget about prepped tracks and slicks and barometric pressures and the like because all that plays into the times...just use the numbers for chit chatting and learning a lesson) Just to give you an idea... Car and Driver https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-dodge-charger-srt-392-first-drive-review An Dodge Charger SRT 392 6.4 liter V8 weighing 4400 lbs producing about 485 Horsepower and 475 ft. Lbs of torque does the 1/4 mile in 12.4 seconds At the same publication....Car and Driver https://www.caranddriver.com/kia/stinger got the Stinger weighing 4100 lbs to do the 1/4 mile in 13.2 seconds @108 mph. The Stinger has got 365 horsepower and 375 ft.lbs of torque (like I said...just use the numbers as a guide line...different day, different track...etc...) In other words...120 horses less and 100 ft.lbs less resulting in 1 full second less in the 1/4 mile... The Dodge Charger Hellcat again from Car and Driver https://www.caranddriver.com/dodge/charger-srt-srt-hellcat ...at 4550 lbs with a 6.2 liter supercharged V8 producing 707 horsepower and 650 ft. lbs of torque does the 1/4 mile with standard tires but prepped track in 11.4 seconds @ 128 mph. Taking the two Chargers...same car with different powertrains...it took 222 horses and 175 ft.lbs of torque to gain 1 full second in the 1/4 mile... Meaning...the Stinger needs a whole lot of horsepower and torque than what it has to achieve under 12 second runs... Car and Driver got 13.2 seconds. The Aussie guys got 12.79 seconds...its believable...the Stinger might have had slicks or it was a prepped track or the weather heavily favored that run...but to say the Stringer is an under 12 second car....well....for that to happen...at 4100 lbs...it probably needs close to Hellcat horsepower and torque...in other words....at least 600 horsepower... Just to show you further... From Car and Driver 2000 December (keeping it stable and constant with the test resource) https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/slp-trans-am-10th-anniversary-firehawk-road-test-review A 10th Anniversary SLP Trans Am producing 335 hoprsepower and 350 ft./bs of torque from a 5.7 liter V8 weighing 3576 lbs (very close to Stinger numbers albeit weighing considerably less) did the 1/4 mile that particular day in 13.6 seconds @106 mph... As a guide line... aprox. 300-350 horsepower and 300-360 ft.lbs of torque on cars weighing 3500-4000 lbs will produce high 12 second to low 13 second 1/4 mile cars... (I remember quite well that a 4rth generation LS1 Camaro ...same as that Trans Am...did constant 1/4 mile runs in the high 12 seconds...) Like I said...Just numbers....to be used as a guideline...and that is why @ccap41 questioned you... And no, I dont think he is annoyed about the Stinger numbers....I aint either. Its pretty cool actually that KIA offers us a car like this!!!
  21. Random Thoughts Thread

    Very cool Table. That was awesome. Sappy but awesome! @A Horse With No Name There is a local wood worker, someday I hope to be able to afford his dining table and 12 chair set when I remodel. I bought my wife one of his jewelry boxes. The Woodwork is amazing. http://www.woodmerchant.com/index.cfm
  22. Other than HD trucks and commercial, time to just ban diesel cars period. Petrol, CNG, Hybrid, Hydrogen and EV is the future.
  23. Kia News: 2018 Kia Stinger to Begin At $32,800, GT At $39,200

    It's been done so many times at this point that I don't know where to begin. These guys got a 12.7 but only mustered a 4.8 0-60...
  24. Kia News: 2018 Kia Stinger to Begin At $32,800, GT At $39,200

    It most certainly does not do that. If so, do you have a link to said review/test?
  25. Kia News: 2018 Kia Stinger to Begin At $32,800, GT At $39,200

    The Kia Stinger is a grand tourer and concentrates first and foremost on a comfortable driving experience. There are quite a few luxury amenities and it's a very quiet car. It's not supposed to be a four door Camaro or Mustang. I can see how it may annoy some people that Kia has a rear wheel drive car that can hit 60mph in 4.4 seconds and run 1/4 miles in under 12 out of the showroom. That kind of thing isn't supposed to happen. But it's nice that it does - and it's nice that Kia is offering this to people who don't mind a Kia badge. It's certainly true that Canadians are getting a much better deal and have almost every option available in other places. The only thing they're missing is a suspension option only available, to my knowledge, in Australia. I don't believe the Canadians get the same warranty we get here, however. The most wanted feature missing from our Stingers is Surround View Camera. I'm not sure why they left out this feature (and a few others, like wireless charging) but I have to imagine it has something to do with the Genesis G70...
  26. Diesel is quite popular in Europe partly due to subsidies provided by governments - in this case, a lower tax rate o https://t.co/Suw0P43ucS

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