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So sad, Toyota appears to be manufacturing poor quality vehicles...and I thought they were perfect, I cry. Feds investigate possible wind deflector glass defect on Scion tC HARRY STOFFER | Automotive News Posted Date: 9/14/05 WASHINGTON -- Toyota has launched and sold 200,000 units of three Scion vehicles in just over two years without a safety recall. But that achievement may be in jeopardy. Federal safety officials said last week that they are stepping up an investigation of wind deflectors on the sunroofs of 2005 Scion tC coupes. Some deflectors have shattered, showering glass on vehicle occupants. "These occurrences may pose a risk of driver distraction and personal injury," says a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration report. The agency and the automaker have received eight complaints of broken deflectors. Toyota Motor North America Inc. told NHTSA of 37 warranty claims that may be related to the problem. Toyota says its research found no flaw in design, manufacturing or assembly. The automaker suspects the deflectors are being broken by airborne debris. Toyota spokeswoman Ming-Jou Chen declined further comment. NHTSA's upgrading of a defect investigation in this way, from a preliminary evaluation to an engineering analysis, often is a prelude to a recall. More than 60,000 tC coupes are on the road. In another newly upgraded investigation, NHTSA is trying to determine whether there is a safety defect in the release lever for the second-row seat in 2004 Nissan Quest minivans. More than 65,000 of the vehicles are in service. NHTSA says it and Nissan have reports of 11 injuries to people's hands after using the lever. The agency says Nissan has changed the handle's design twice during production. The current handle is larger than previous ones. It has a cup-shaped design, into which fingers fit. Nissan North America Inc. says no injuries have been reported from the latest version of the handle.

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Some deflectors have shattered, showering glass on vehicle occupants.


These occurrences may pose a risk of driver distraction and personal injury


Pardon my French, but NO SHIT SHERLOCK...

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While others are giving Toyota a pat on the back and a gentle "There-there" I'd like to kick the sand in their eyes and go for the throat. That's what they did in the 1980s. :)

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What? Toyota has problems too? If I were the friendly giant (GM) I would start to brethe again!

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The agency and the automaker have received eight complaints of broken deflectors. Toyota Motor North America Inc. told NHTSA of 37 warranty claims that may be related to the problem.

Toyota says its research found no flaw in design, manufacturing or assembly. The automaker suspects the deflectors are being broken by airborne debris.


Funny how this "airborne debris" seems to be targeting the wind deflector of the Scion tC specifically.

:ph34r:

-RBB

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Funny how this "airborne debris" seems to be targeting the wind deflector of the Scion tC specifically.

:ph34r:

-RBB

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They couldnt find a way to pin that on the owners I guess.

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Toyota says its research found no flaw in design, manufacturing or assembly. The automaker suspects the deflectors are being broken by airborne debris. Toyota spokeswoman Ming-Jou Chen declined further comment.


I also found this line to be especially funny. Of course toyota researchers will NOT find anything wrong, and it is obviously crap flying up and shattering thise deflectors, just like on the... oh yeah, I've never heard of that happening to another make.

While we're on the subject of the TC... have you noticed that scion (toyota) is so cheap that, while they designed a cover for a CHMSL spanning the license plate area only the center of it lights up!

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While we're on the subject of the TC... have you noticed that scion (toyota) is so cheap that, while they designed a cover for a CHMSL spanning the license plate area only the center of it lights up!

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Toyotas are so cheap it is not funny. That is why the have so few problems, there is nothing there to have problems.

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Point taken, however Saturn does not have a holier than though complex and obnoxious attitude.

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Exactly.....Toyota has an almost mythical reputation for quality and it get's annoying. I love it when they are exposed.

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Exactly.....Toyota has an almost mythical reputation for quality and it get's annoying.  I love it when they are exposed.

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It's not like it's an unearned reputation. It's not that they don't have problems, it's that on average they have less than most of their competitors. For instance (and please don't take this as trying to downplay this recall), my mother bought her 1999 RX300 brand new and to this day the largest issue she's had is a dead battery.

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For instance (and please don't take this as trying to downplay this recall), my mother bought her 1999 RX300 brand new and to this day the largest issue she's had is a dead battery.

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I can say the same about my 2000 Camaro SS


(knock on wood!)

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It's not like it's an unearned reputation. It's not that they don't have problems, it's that on average they have less than most of their competitors. For instance (and please don't take this as trying to downplay this recall), my mother bought her 1999 RX300 brand new and to this day the largest issue she's had is a dead battery.

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Ditto with my father's 2000 Bonneville. Literally, the lead was too loose and disconnected from the battery. But beyond that, an ineffectual OnStar module recall, and pitted chrome wheels that were replaced upon delivery, zero non-accident-related problems.

Of course, the Bonnie is one of those crappy, chintzy, overwrought cars that embarass the rest of GM...:rolleyes:

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Exactly.....Toyota has an almost mythical reputation for quality and it get's annoying.  I love it when they are exposed.

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Oh give me an EFFING break.....

You guys are all jumping on Toyota's back because of a WIND-DEFLECTOR PROBLEM?

Wow......please learn how to pick a meaningful battle.....

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Toyota has earned it's reputation as the quality leader, and even GM admits it and admits they're trying to beat them. The only myth about Toyota is that they have superior products to everyone else, which is not the case; we have the media to thank for that myth. It's not all that impressive that the xB and xA haven't had any recalls because (correct me if I'm wrong) they've been on sale for at least 2-3 years in Japan and probably got the problems worked out. That's like GM importing say the Century to another country and it magically having no recalls, even though it probably did here. We'll see what happens with the tC.

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1999... that's irrelevant. Pretty much still a new car. How many miles?

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6 years? Practically a new car? Well then, I guess my parent's newer new car car, a 2000 Blazer, should be more trouble free than it, right? Hahaha... Yeah right. Talk about piece of shit. Seriously, you have a problem.

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1999... that's irrelevant. Pretty much still a new car. How many miles?

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How is that a new car? Maybe compared to your 68 Camaro.

Our 1998 Silhouette was basically falling apart when we got rid of it.

Until GM beats Toyota in initial and long term quality, we have nothing to laugh at Toyota about. It's this kind of thinking that got GM where it's at, "Oh, our toughest competitor just took a step back, we should too." :rolleyes:

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Toyota has earned it's reputation as the quality leader, and even GM admits it and admits they're trying to beat them.

The only myth about Toyota is that they have superior products to everyone else, which is not the case; we have the media to thank for that myth.

It's not all that impressive that the xB and xA haven't had any recalls because (correct me if I'm wrong) they've been on sale for at least 2-3 years in Japan and probably got the problems worked out. That's like GM importing say the Century to another country and it magically having no recalls, even though it probably did here. We'll see what happens with the tC.

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THANK YOU. Toyota has earned it's reputation, and anything "mythical" that some of you people talk about is thanks to the American media, they tend to exaggerate everything :angry: .

Nobody's perfect, so I really don't understand why some members have an almost obsession or perception that Toyota is "perfect". I've never heard anyone saying Toyota is perfect, even in the media, so I don't understand where some people get these delusions.

This issue is being taken far too serious ... a wind deflector problem, where Toyota has only received a total of *gasp* 8 complaints. Yet when a moderately serious domestic recall appears, it seems like business as usual on certain boards like this, or simply "oh thank god *insert Big 3 here* recalled this problem when they did, something Toyota wouldn't do" or anything along those lines.

I mean if this was an actual recall, then I would give some of you guys at least a bit of credit. But this is simply an investigation, which is nothing compared to say the Ford investigation for it's cruise control switches.

And of course, everyone conveniently ignores the investigation about the Quest ... because it's not a Toyota :rolleyes:

I'm no expert, but I think some of this extreme Toyota bashing may have to do with a lot of repressed jealousy and resentment over Toyota's success and reputation.

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6 years? Practically a new car? Well then, I guess my parent's newer new car car, a 2000 Blazer, should be more trouble free than it, right? Hahaha... Yeah right. Talk about piece of shit.

Seriously, you have a problem.

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What is your deal? Relax.

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I would have to agree with Sixty8 in this case. A 6 year old car is not an old car. I wouldnt expect to have many problems with a car made in 99, but I wouldnt buy a Blazer either. We did have a 6 year old Explorer with 130,000 miles and all it needed was a wheel bearing. And it was a Ford. It was also a rental before we bought it, with 60,000 miles after being one year old. And I almost forgot, it got oil changes every 15,000 miles, sometimes longer.

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And a six year old car isn't a "practically new" car either... As for the Blazer... I wouldn't buy one either. They're crap. I think my 10 year old GA is more reliable than that POS. It'll probably be my parents last Chevy because of this... And there's nothing I can do/say to convince them otherwise. BTW, our non-rental Blazer has only 58,000 miles... Explain that.

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Oh give me an EFFING break.....

You guys are all jumping on Toyota's back because of a WIND-DEFLECTOR PROBLEM?

Wow......please learn how to pick a meaningful battle.....

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How many people jumped on the Cobalt because the headlamp glass busted in two (2) vehicles? How many jumped on GM for having 'most NHTSA complaints filed' even though a good proportion of them include major factory defects like 'SEATS ARE UNCOMFORTABLE', 'CD PLAYER SKIPPING', and a whole lot of "unintended acceleration into a stationary object" incidents?

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They couldnt find a way to pin that on the owners I guess.

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I don't think they havn't pinned it on the owners. Just like their engine failures.

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I don't think they havn't pinned it on the owners.  Just like their engine failures.

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Toyota has never had any problems with their cars, they are so perfect they make their owners look stupid? The same owners that chose to buy a Toyota in the first place!

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Blackviper: From the sound of the milage it does seem like you have a lemon. Your Blazer could be an exception to the rule though. My 128K mile 1991 Blazer ran like a top and gave me no trouble when I got rid of it. Actually I got it with 104K and got rid of it at like 128K... in all those miles I spent $56 for parts and labor. $56 bucks. It was a faulty 4x4 switch. In the end it was one of the best vehicles I ever owned and I still mois it. Often times I think back to how awsome that truck was esp. wiht the 5-speed and how I never should have sold it. As far as your 2000 Blazer, how well do yuor parents maintain it? Do they beat the shit out of it off road wiht the lights off like you wiht your ATVs.? :P Edited by Sixty8panther

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My parents had 3 Blazers: '86, '96 and '00. They never had major problems with any of them. I personally liked the last-gen Blazer, besides the crash test results. More than enough power, acceptable gas mileage and room, good looks. I like it more than the Trailblazer.

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Toyota enthusiasts are a sensitive lot. Toyota got exposed for poor quality. So hard to live up to an overblown image.

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I've owned 2 Corollas (1997, 2003) and have had no problems except for brakes(mechanically). On a bumpy ride my drivers side sunvisor fell off, a few months later the passenger side lost a screw. The stereo is not fit into the dash properly, it can be pushed into place but pops out after driving for a bit. On long drives the latches for the folding rear seats come un clipped. Mechanically good but the interior is no better than a 1993 Chevrolet Corsica.

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Sunroof visor breaking = poor quality? Sorry but I really don't see it.

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Toyota enthusiasts are a sensitive lot.  Toyota got exposed for poor quality.  So hard to live up to an overblown image.

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How did Toyota get exposed? I fail to see why they just got exposed. So if GM has a recall of any type they get exposed too?

Seriously, who gives a shit about recalls, they happen to everyone and are bound to happen on basically all cars.

Our Maxx had the recall for the steering column, and it took the dealership two tries to fix it.

Toyota had a recall, big whoop. Like I already said, until GM beats Toyota in the IQS and long-term quality, we have nothing to fault Toyota for. Toyota's quality image is NOT overblown, the only image overblown is that they don't have the best cars out there as the media would imply, just the most reliable.

I don't like Toyota either, but totally overlooking the competition and thinking they're going to faulter because of ONE DAMN RECALL is how GM got in the position they are in.

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For instance (and please don't take this as trying to downplay this recall), my mother bought her 1999 RX300 brand new and to this day the largest issue she's had is a dead battery.

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1997 Ford Escort, original battery and 86k miles. Take that Toyota! Oh, but everything is falling apart on it =D

Toyota is overall good quality, from what I've heard. The only company I can really comment on is Honda. 93 Civic, bought with 147,000 - Stolen at 156,000. Didn't put a single penny into that car, ran great (aside from oil changes of course). 99 Integra, bought at 65k, at 77k now, again not a single penny other than maintenance (I'm taking more care now so it won't get stolen haha).

I don't think GM's are bad quality, as long as you treat them right and take care of them. Like my dads 2004 GMC Sierra half ton. Bought a 0 miles, at 17,000 now. Only problem is a squeeky bed. Overall build quality isn't that great though, cheap interior, lose floor mats, squeeky plastic pieces. Oh, and the steering wheel does this thing where it clicks the first time I turn it in the morning when I go to drive to work (when I drive the truck). No biggie, I wouldn't drive it if it wasn't the company truck and I had to.

Oh, aside from that. I don't think the broken wind deflectors is a horrible defect, but it is pretty big considering it could cut someone's face up if it broke while they had the window down. Toyota was probably just trying to save on costs and sourced the deflectors from some cheap manufacturer.

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okay dont let me get started on Toyotas, they havent earned crap... GM had some bad years in the 80's but still GM has more working vehicles on the road then any other automaker, why because they sold more, why because they have built better vehicles... is anyone doubting GM's v8's here? better not be... GM knows engines better then anyone, GM does more R&D then any one else... sure GM is going to have problems when they are taking risks... and sure sales are going to drop if GM stops taking risks... So lets get on track here... who has ever had a windsheild crush under impact? and secondly the windsheild is designed to stay together, not fall apart... if it falls apart that is even worse... ugg Toyota sucks... :Toyota:

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Did i mention that a hate Toyota. Any way a 2000 blazer my uncle has one an it has 145,000 on it no problem except a belt and tires. then my dads 02 sierra has 65,000 and only problem was a his twisted driveshaft that rubed against a part of the frame and sqeaked at low speeds. (it doesnt help if you do a lot of burnouts and stuff like that. my 1990 caprice i new the owner and he bought it then died gave it to his nieghbor i new him and sold it to me it has o i think still like 260,000 and only problem yet is altenator 3 belts a battery. things that where replaced and didnt need to is like hoses and brakes. and a neighbor (who i hate, is it that hard to pick up dog shit i mean com on?) but he bought a toyota in a GM FORD DCX SUBDIVISION so every one hated him even more but he told me that his 04 corola was broken so i look at it 5,000 miles the engine mount at the weld broke off and smashed the transaxle into the wheel well i told him they got a preety good warentee they said it was driver error and they wont cover it. i said bullshit so being the nice person i am i went to go help him and we talk to the mechinic and he said nope toyota corp wont cover it a 12,000 dollar bill they charged him im like thats more than what the car is worht he is the biggest safty driver ive ever seen i dont think that car has been past 65 mph( im serious he merged on to I94 at 50 mph i was crapin my pants behind him like im going to get killed mergeing at 50 mph who thinks that is bullshit? i mean if some ask me about a car i will give an unbyist statement but they should of covered that. GM should build cars like they did my land boat big a PUSHROD V8 and lots of steel also yes my car has still r-12 air and it works wonderfully. and we have no reason to dog toyota but i still do cause thats what being an american is all about right?

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okay dont let me get started on Toyotas, they havent earned crap...

GM had some bad years in the 80's but still GM has more working vehicles on the road then any other automaker, why because they sold more, why because they have built better vehicles... is anyone doubting GM's v8's here?  better not be... GM knows engines better then anyone, GM does more R&D then any one else... sure GM is going to have problems when they are taking risks... and sure sales are going to drop if GM stops taking risks...  So lets get on track here... who has ever had a windsheild crush under impact?  and secondly the windsheild is designed to stay together, not fall apart...  if it falls apart that is even worse... ugg Toyota sucks... :Toyota:

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Read the article again. It's the wind deflector not windshield.

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okay dont let me get started on Toyotas, they havent earned crap...

GM had some bad years in the 80's but still GM has more working vehicles on the road then any other automaker, why because they sold more, why because they have built better vehicles... is anyone doubting GM's v8's here?  better not be... GM knows engines better then anyone, GM does more R&D then any one else... sure GM is going to have problems when they are taking risks... and sure sales are going to drop if GM stops taking risks...  So lets get on track here... who has ever had a windsheild crush under impact?  and secondly the windsheild is designed to stay together, not fall apart...  if it falls apart that is even worse... ugg Toyota sucks... :Toyota:

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RIGHT THERE I COULDNT AGREE MORE!!!! :metal:

but GM doesnt have the greatest 4 bangers but at least they DONT OVERRATE THEM COUGH*TOYOTA*COUGH

when i went to high shcool every one drove old american beaters that start every mornig only forign cars were brand new ones i still drive by and see old american beaters only NEW forieng cars.

If gas was .80 a gallon GM would be on top! they would have a V8 in every thing bring back there 454 502 and improve them with out fancy dual over head cam more moving part to break computer timed varible valve crap just one cam and pushrods and somke any thing.

GM has the best factory create engine ever made the 572ci with 620 or for 1,000 more 730 hp NO FORCED INDUCTION OR THROTTLE BODY JUST A CARB!!!! with guess what PUSHRODS.

GM will raise then the EPA and little green is good hippies will F it up again.

You wont realize how much the car industry does for america till its is gone!!

o and dont CRY UNCLE SAM since GM is cutting overtime uncle sam wont collect sh*t for taxes this year awww to bad should of though about that before sendind jobs to countrys that dont want OUR help any way.(just our money) anyway GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS (and any one that buys a foriegn car and says are econmy is crappy.)

Also if you are 65 and older and collect Social Secerity and buy a foriegn car you should have your check cut to about a 1/4 of what you get cause Manufacturing is one of the only things keeping SS alive because they are UNION.

I will shut up now Untill i get fired up again and please dont do that. cuz im pissed right now!!!

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RIGHT THERE I COULDNT AGREE MORE!!!! :metal:

but GM doesnt have the greatest 4 bangers but at least they DONT OVERRATE THEM COUGH*TOYOTA*COUGH

when i went to high shcool every one drove old american beaters that start every mornig only forign cars were brand new ones i still drive by and see old american beaters only NEW forieng cars.

If gas was .80 a gallon GM would be on top! they would have a V8 in every thing bring back there 454 502 and improve them with out fancy dual over head cam more moving part to break computer timed varible valve crap just one cam and pushrods and somke any thing.

GM has the best factory create engine ever made the 572ci with 620 or for 1,000 more 730 hp NO FORCED INDUCTION OR THROTTLE BODY JUST A CARB!!!! with guess what PUSHRODS.

GM will raise then the EPA and little green is good hippies will F it up again.

You wont realize how much the car industry does for america till its is gone!!

o and dont CRY UNCLE SAM since GM is cutting overtime uncle sam wont collect sh*t for taxes this year awww to bad should of though about that before sendind jobs to countrys that dont want OUR help any way.(just our money) anyway GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS (and any one that buys a foriegn car and says are econmy is crappy.)

Also if you are 65 and older and collect Social Secerity and buy a foriegn car you should have your check cut to about a 1/4 of what you get cause Manufacturing is one of the only things keeping SS alive because they are UNION.

I will shut up now Untill i get fired up again and please dont do that. cuz im pissed right now!!!

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heh. dude, um, WHAT?!?!

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Blackviper:

From the sound of the milage it does seem like you have a lemon. Your Blazer could be an exception to the rule though. My 128K mile 1991 Blazer ran like a top and gave me no trouble when I got rid of it.

Actually I got it with 104K and got rid of it at like 128K... in all those miles I spent $56 for parts and labor. $56 bucks. It was a faulty 4x4 switch. In the end it was one of the best vehicles I ever owned and I still mois it. Often times I think back to how awsome that truck was esp. wiht the 5-speed and how I never should have sold it.

As far as your 2000 Blazer, how well do yuor parents maintain it? Do they beat the shit out of it off road wiht the lights off like you wiht your ATVs.? :P

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Do remember one of the other times I complained about the Blazer... And I said there have been other Blazers in the family with the same problem of being total crap? Let's see... my grandpa had two, my other grandpa has one, my uncle had one, my aunt had one, and some extended cousins have had them. With the exception of my grandpa's first one; a 95, they have all been crap. My parents knew that too... I couldn't believe it when they bought one. Now ours has been especially crappy, much moreso than theirs. That could be because my mom drives it like its a sports car. She's a maniac driver... However, it's maintained properly and on time. Right now it's literally killing us and we're stuck with it. If there was a way out of it.... it'd be gone.

And just so you know... I don't beat the shit out of my ATV when I ride at night with no lights. :D

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Wow. alot going on in here. :unsure: First of all, this has to be the stupidest recall I have ever heard of. If I remember correctly, that piece is a dealer add on. I guess if this happens t someone in their tC and it flips over, then I guess it was meant to be. :rolleyes: A bee in the car is a much bigger problem than that... First, both of these Companies have issues with their cars. Check those books. One just takes better care of it, with less BS. (Or dealer issues, if you want to call it that) GM didn't take care of business, and it hurt them. One thing I think people fail to see is how many more cars GM built than Toyota. Of course stupid things will come up. You can pick makes on both sides that were great running cars. Toyota just tends to build them with less annoying problems.. On other notes.... I noticed the Blazer really does well, or just fall falt. The biggest issue I've seen with them were the 94-01 4X4s..some of them tended to be POSes..as well as the s-10 4X4s of those same years...ever notice why there aren't as many of the road? The 2wd drive, however, seem to be pretty rock-solid, and see plenty high-milage ones around here... I had a s10 for three years, and it was great with no problems....a classmate I've known forever has an Blazer he takes everywhere, and besides needing a starter and a battery, his 99 still runs great at 185k.... BV, do you know how many of those were 4x4s?

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That's too bad BV. I'll tell you bud, I'll most likely own a few more Blazers in my life. I'd love a 80s C/K but even a S10 5-speed will do if I need a tow vehicle/truck. Edited by Sixty8panther

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The Scion tC has one of those large panoramic glass sunroofs. The deflector isn't one of those tacked-on pieces of acrylic or those little metal things that pop up. It's glass, so debris hitting it is plausible, just as windshields get their fair share of pebbles. But a manufacturing defect or even a design flaw could also be plausible. Nonetheless, this is hardly worth everybody getting all excited over. Because it is in a vulnerable location, I would think that it should have been laminated glass, like a windshield, but perhaps no one was expecting this to happen.

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Dave, they were all 4x4s... I'm in Pa. I guess that sounds plausible, though. One of the biggest problems we've experienced has been the 4x4 system. Currently, it isn't working. The third time since we bought it two years ago. Then there is the malfunctioning brakes and ABS. Can't forget the bad wheel hubs; replaced twice, power window motors not working, door hinges that broke, fuel gauge that doesn't work, rear wiper that doesn't work, seat recliner that broke, and so on. I just can't believe that the Grand Am gets such a bad rep, yet compared to this piece of shit, it's a Lexus. I just wish we could get rid of it and get a new car... but it's not even half paid off and we just can't afford it. We can't really afford to keep it either. I guess we're just fucked, either way. :(

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I just can't understand why some people get so worked up about this garbage. This is a GM ENTHUSIAST SITE. Here, it's a commonly-held belief that Toyota quality isn't everything it's been cranked up to be (especially as of late), that the domestics don't get enough credit in some areas, and Toyota and others get a free-pass in others. So, when Toyota gets some bad press for a recall, guess what? We party. Don't like it? Change your address bar - it's a free @*$&#* net. Lastly, I used to own a '96 Blazer. It was one of the biggest POS I've ever owned. It went through more of my money than my wife at a shoe sale. Edited by cmattson

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Who's getting worked up? Only people I see are the GM enthusiasts screaming about "bad quality" and "I told you so" over a sunroof deflector. Edited by sciguy_0504

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My response was largely related to The O.C.'s post of:

Oh give me an EFFING break.....

You guys are all jumping on Toyota's back because of a WIND-DEFLECTOR PROBLEM?

Wow......please learn how to pick a meaningful battle.....


As for the wind-deflector itself. Get past the idea of what the part does. Go right to the idea that a part of the car could shower you with glass. Not exactly a pleasant thought, is it? It illustrates that Toyota can use substandard parts -- or have in-exact engineering. Something you won't always hear from the auto press.

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So when a stone hits my windshield and I'm showered with glass should I file a complaint because of "bad engineering?" What about GM's truck/SUV ABS brakes that corrode? Should I get past the idea of what ABS brakes do or ignore the fact that the problem could cause me to be showered not only by glass but by a variety of other materials, too? Stop drinking so much kool aid, son.

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Wait. This is just an inquiry based on NHTSA complaints, right? Has anyone actually read of those things?

Seriously, go look at some of the complaints people have filed on NHTSA. I'll pick a few for you. Remember, when people say "...and X Brand of car seems to have worse quality based on this number of NHTSA complaints filed by owners."

THE VEHICLE'S RIGHT REAR POWER WINDOW REGULATOR FAILED. *NM THE CONSUMER WOULD LIKE TO BE REIMBURSED. *TC

Car: 1996 Oldsmobile Aurora
Filed: 2005

THE VEHICLE EXPERIENCED ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS AFTER BEING HIT IN THE FRONT. *NM THE DAY AFTER THE VEHICLE WAS HIT THE POWER WINDOWS AND LOCK FAILED WITH EXCEPTION OF THE DRIVER'S DOOR. THE FOG LIGHTS WOULD GO ON AND OFF. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO A REPAIR FACILITY AND THE TECHNICIAN INDICATED THAT THE WIRES APPEARED CORRODED FROM WATER DAMAGE AND THAT THERE WAS SOME AFTERMARKET STEREO WIRING DONE ON THE CAR. *NM

Car: 2000 Pontiac Bonneville

YOU CANNOT OPEN EITHER A DOOR OR WINDOW ELECTRICALLY IF THE BATTERY IS DEAD. THIS HAPPENED TO US TODAY, AND MY WIFE WAS TRAPPED IN A HOT CAR UNTIL WE COULD JUMP THE CAR AND OPEN THE DOOR. SHE CALLED THE GM DEALER, BRAD FENTON MOTORS IN ARDMORE, OK AND WAS TOLD THAT THE "OWNERS MANUAL" TOLD YOU WHAT TO DO IF THIS HAPPENED. CAN YOU IMAGINE TRYING TO LOOK THIS UP IN THE "OWNER'S MANUAL" WHEN YOU WERE 6 FT. UNDER WATER OR YOU WERE TRAPPED INSIDE ON A 100 DEGREE DAY, ESPECIALLY WITH A CHILD? I THINK THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE AND I WANT SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THIS PROBLEM. *JB

Car: 2000 Pontiac Bonneville
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WHEEL BAD ON MY TOYOTA AT 63 THOUSAND MILES. *AK

Car: 2001 Toyota Avalon
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EXPERIENCED SUDDEN ACCELERATION ON THREE OCCASIONS. *MR THE PROBLEM WAS INTERMITTENT. ON ONE OCCASION, THE CONSUMER WAS SLOWING TO STOP BEHIND ANOTHER VEHICLE THAT HAD STOPPED AT A STOP LIGHT WHEN THE CONSUMER EXPERIENCED SUDDEN ACCELERATION AND CAUSED MINOR DAMAGE. THE LAST TIME THIS HAPPENED, THE VEHICLE HAD COME TO A COMPLETE STOP AT A SIGNAL WHEN THE SUDDEN ACCELERATION OCCURRED. THE DEALER WAS UNABLE TO FIND THE CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM. *SC *JB

Car: 2000 Buick LeSabre

Now, most of the complaints are legit, but I would surely take them with grains of salt...

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Listen: I'm not defending some of GM's memorable (and numerous) issues. GM's recent ABS issue is a serious safety issue. Getting showered with glass is a safety issue and IMO, can't be brushed off with "it's just a bug deflector". Again, as per my original post: this is a GM enthusiast site. What exactly were you expecting when you directed your browser towards CNG?

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It's not like it's an unearned reputation. It's not that they don't have problems, it's that on average they have less than most of their competitors. For instance (and please don't take this as trying to downplay this recall), my mother bought her 1999 RX300 brand new and to this day the largest issue she's had is a dead battery.

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Our RX300 has had some brake issues which they claim is normal, an MAF sensor go out and noe the back hatch does not lock when we hit the lock button on the key fob. Toyota quality my ass. I laugh at my wife everytime her precious Lexus ( oh excuse me, glorified Highlander ;-) ) has problems.

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Dave, they were all 4x4s... I'm in Pa.

I guess that sounds plausible, though. One of the biggest problems we've experienced has been the 4x4 system. Currently, it isn't working. The third time since we bought it two years ago. Then there is the malfunctioning brakes and ABS. Can't forget the bad wheel hubs; replaced twice, power window motors not working, door hinges that broke, fuel gauge that doesn't work, rear wiper that doesn't work, seat recliner that broke, and so on. I just can't believe that the Grand Am gets such a bad rep, yet compared to this piece of shit, it's a Lexus.

I just wish we could get rid of it and get a new car... but it's not even half paid off and we just can't afford it. We can't really afford to keep it either. I guess we're just fucked, either way. :(

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AMEN! They can go to Scion, Lexus or Toyota forums if they don't want to taste some bitter lemonade.

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Our RX300 has had some brake issues which they claim is normal, an MAF sensor go out and noe the back hatch does not lock when we hit the lock button on the key fob. Toyota quality my ass. I laugh at my wife everytime her precious Lexus ( oh excuse me, glorified Highlander ;-) ) has problems.

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Well, since the RX300 came out first, the "glorified Highlander" comment is dead right there. That's like calling the Saab 9-3 a glorified Pontiac G6.

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That's too bad BV.

I'll tell you bud, I'll most likely own a few more Blazers in my life. I'd love a 80s C/K but even a S10 5-speed will do if I need a tow vehicle/truck.

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Didn't the recent Nissan Maxima have a similar problem?

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AMEN! They can go to Scion, Lexus or Toyota forums if they don't want to taste some bitter lemonade.

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Don't act like you can't taste that bitter lemonade, too.

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