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True, some will be 4500 lbs and 18 mpg.. :)

Hummer is not done yet!

We will see some in the 3000+ range at over 20 MPG and under $25,000.

Don't fall for the Stereo type The H1 is gone. As we get lighter smaller trucks Hummer wil follow.

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If you can afford a Hummer in the 1st place, you can also afford the gas! :AH-HA_wink:

So? You claim Zeta has been killed because of fuel economy concerns (CAFE) It doesn't matter if teh owner can afford the gas or not, it's about the regulations. By that logic, Hummer should be dead first because the brand gets far worse fuel economy.

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That will become a problem IMO.

I'm also a large guy... We are the minority and we will pay the price for that.

These people who care nothing about their fellow americans or quality of life are just selfish; plain and simple. They ARE everything they claim not to be.

In typical spolied american fashion, they believe that their view of the world is right and that we should just conform or not exist/not have a fulfilling life.

It's a defeatists attitude... Instead of innovating and keeping large vehicles, they think we should just 'give up' and roll over because that's the way the rest of the world is.

I'm 6' 250 lbs and fit just fine in a Miata, don't know what ya'lls problem is.

Seriously, I don't mind some people driving large cars/trucks. It is a free country, and the hand that takes away your right to an H2 can take away my right to a Miata.

That being said, I dispise our current situation (war for Oil) in the middle east and we do need to drop our energy usage by an order of magnatude.

Either that or mine Titan, the Martian moon with a supposed petro supply, and I'll be putting an H2 into the garage next to the Miata, thank you.

Chris

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I'm 6' 250 lbs and fit just fine in a Miata, don't know what ya'lls problem is.

Seriously, I don't mind some people driving large cars/trucks. It is a free country, and the hand that takes away your right to an H2 can take away my right to a Miata.

That being said, I dispise our current situation (war for Oil) in the middle east and we do need to drop our energy usage by an order of magnatude.

Either that or mine Titan, the Martian moon with a supposed petro supply, and I'll be putting an H2 into the garage next to the Miata, thank you.

Chris

My problem is that I'm almost a foot taller than you and about 100 lbs bigger.

That said, I think it all depends on the design of the car. I fit in my Focus pretty well but at the same time I fear that automakers will "cut corners" for the sake of CAFE.

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So? You claim Zeta has been killed because of fuel economy concerns (CAFE) It doesn't matter if teh owner can afford the gas or not, it's about the regulations. By that logic, Hummer should be dead first because the brand gets far worse fuel economy.

As I said, Hummer is a cash cow, Zeta is not. :scratchchin:

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So? You claim Zeta has been killed because of fuel economy concerns (CAFE) It doesn't matter if teh owner can afford the gas or not, it's about the regulations. By that logic, Hummer should be dead first because the brand gets far worse fuel economy.

Touche. :lol:

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My problem is that I'm almost a foot taller than you and about 100 lbs bigger.

That said, I think it all depends on the design of the car. I fit in my Focus pretty well but at the same time I fear that automakers will "cut corners" for the sake of CAFE.

Focus is a damned good product. We need to actually cut areas other than transportation to bring our energy usage into line. We can all drive SMART cars and we'll still have problems because our energy budget is blown so many other places.

You fit into a Focus as 6'5 350 lbs? They are a roomy car...

Chris

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Hummer seems pointless...if you want a 6000lb bloat beast, GM has plenty of them already with the GMT-900s that are at Chevy, GMC, and Cadillac dealers..

I disagree. GM doesn't have anything else that says offroad like Hummer. And that's not a brand identity that is meaningless either. There is a reason so many other auto companies want to get their hands on Jeep.

The Escalade is all about the bling factor. The Tahoe is a family hauler. Neither of those are anywhere close to what a Hummer is.

For the future, I would expect GM to get rid of the two sizes of 900 SUVs. Either meld the Tahoe and Suburban into one vehicle somewhere in between their current sizes or for Chevy to get the SWB and GMC get the LWB. (I personally favor the first idea.) I'd expect Caddy to only get one in the future. That leaves the Avalanche and EXT....don't know what will happen to those, but my guess is that it would be to GM's benefit if they could find a way to make the collapsible midgate an option on the Silverado and get rid of the Avalanche...maybe just have an Avalanche trim of the Silverado.

But don't get rid of Hummer, there's too much you can do with it and I think the upcoming H4 will prove that. It will provide revenue to GM that doesn't come from anywhere else. Also, I've believed for a while now that Chevy doesn't need a frame-based midsize SUV and that they can completely transition to crossovers. That's not an easy decision if you're just planning to get out of that market all together, but if you have Hummer with frame-based models to pick up the sales to people who use their midsize utes for towing and such, then it becomes much easier.

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I disagree. GM doesn't have anything else that says offroad like Hummer. And that's not a brand identity that is meaningless either. There is a reason so many other auto companies want to get their hands on Jeep.

The Escalade is all about the bling factor. The Tahoe is a family hauler. Neither of those are anywhere close to what a Hummer is.

For the future, I would expect GM to get rid of the two sizes of 900 SUVs. Either meld the Tahoe and Suburban into one vehicle somewhere in between their current sizes or for Chevy to get the SWB and GMC get the LWB. (I personally favor the first idea.) I'd expect Caddy to only get one in the future. That leaves the Avalanche and EXT....don't know what will happen to those, but my guess is that it would be to GM's benefit if they could find a way to make the collapsible midgate an option on the Silverado and get rid of the Avalanche...maybe just have an Avalanche trim of the Silverado.

But don't get rid of Hummer, there's too much you can do with it and I think the upcoming H4 will prove that. It will provide revenue to GM that doesn't come from anywhere else. Also, I've believed for a while now that Chevy doesn't need a frame-based midsize SUV and that they can completely transition to crossovers. That's not an easy decision if you're just planning to get out of that market all together, but if you have Hummer with frame-based models to pick up the sales to people who use their midsize utes for towing and such, then it becomes much easier.

+1 Well said.

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