Idyllic Canton Twp. neighborhood is no Toyotaville

[Guest Josh]

Cherry Hill Village, a picture-perfect, prosperous American subdivision, was an ideal setting for "Toyotaville" -- a TV ad featuring a town with a Toyota in every driveway.

But Cherry Hill Village feels more like Ford country -- and plans to film the commercial were scrapped.

"There was too much controversy," said Tom Yack, supervisor of Canton Township, where the subdivision is located.

"It was just a reaction from the Ford people who didn't want to see it there."

He said many residents work for Ford, while others have been laid off by the Dearborn-based automaker.

Resident Mark Cramton had expected his street to be filmed for the ad but learned Monday that the deal was off. "They canceled the shoot because of the negative publicity."

The location scout, Warren Martin, declined to comment or identify the client. Toyota Motor Sales USA said it was not a national ad and was checking the origin.

Resident Pete Wells said he had spoken with the producer. "The theme was everybody has a Toyota or wants one," Wells said. But "you can't expect Ford people to go along with something that is counterproductive to their company. They just don't want to be part of it."


http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0.../A01-289734.htm

[mustang84]

What is it with Toyota and their advertising? They are so obnoxious and full of themselves that they would attempt to film a commercial in a neighborhood largely populated by Ford employees, and then have the nerve to call it Toyotaville. What statement are they trying to make? How about we go over to Toyota City in Nagoya and film a commercial with a bunch of F-150s and Mustangs in every parking lot and street? Toyota's arrogance never ceases to amaze.

[BrewSwillis]

:lol: Damn.....I wish they would have filmed this commercial. I would have been great reading the articles in the Detroit News and Free Press. Maybe it would have woken some people up.....even if they don't live near Detroit.

[Robert Hall]

Interesting....we have a Cherry Hills Village neighborhood in the suburbs here in Denver.. they could film the ad here, since this Cherry Hills Village has a lot of Lexuses, Mercedes, BMWs, etc... (it's a rather upscale suburb).

[sciguy_0504]

I think the people in this town are acting like sourpusses.

[BrewSwillis]

I think the people in this town are acting like sourpusses.

[post="2516"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

How dare those "sourpusses" not let Toyota film a commercial about how it's perfectly American and fine for every family to own a Toyota......even though they made have lost their job at Ford directly due to Toyota's success in America.

If I lived in that neighborhood, I would have had all of my firends and family come over with their Chryslers, Camaro's, F150's, Jeep's, etc........and see if they would have filmed the commercial then.

That commercial would have been like showing a commercial with a bunch of tech support workers working in an office in the US, and then showing an empty room with a pile of cash, and then showing the new tech support center in India.

[sciguy_0504]

How dare those "sourpusses" not let Toyota film a commercial about how it's perfectly American and fine for every family to own a Toyota......even though they made have lost their job at Ford directly due to Toyota's success in America.

If I lived in that neighborhood, I would have had all of my firends and family come over with their Chryslers, Camaro's, F150's, Jeep's, etc........and see if they would have filmed the commercial then.

That commercial would have been like showing a commercial with a bunch of tech support workers working in an office in the US, and then showing an empty room with a pile of cash, and then showing the new tech support center in India.

[post="2554"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Those people didn't lose their jobs because of Toyota's success in the U.S., they lost them because of Ford's inability to build cars people want to buy.

I'll criticize Toyota for being stupid enough to film a commercial on the outskirts of Detroit. I'm sure there are plenty of "100% American"-looking towns across the country where they could have filmed the ad. I'll also criticize the people of the town for being sore loser crybabies (just like the UAW chapter that decided to not allow soldiers who drive foreign car makes to use its parking lot).

I wonder how you'd react if the roles were reversed: a neighborhood of Toyota owners demanding that Ford film their commercial elsewhere.

WAH, WAH, WAH. :lol:

[BrewSwillis]

Those people didn't lose their jobs because of Toyota's success in the U.S., they lost them because of Ford's inability to build cars people want to buy.

[post="2597"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Yeah....nobody buys F150's, Explorers, Mustangs, Escapes, Fivehunderd's, Focuses, etc. If you can't see how Toyota's growing market share, in a country where they don't even produce half of the vehicles there, that they sell there, is causing Ford workers to lose jobs, then you need to go back to high school Economics.

[mustang84]

Those people didn't lose their jobs because of Toyota's success in the U.S., they lost them because of Ford's inability to build cars people want to buy.

Ford is building cars that people would probably buy if only they would drop their biases and grudges and actually test drive them. Toyota fans can be just as close-minded as domestic fans.

I'll criticize Toyota for being stupid enough to film a commercial on the outskirts of Detroit.  I'm sure there are plenty of "100% American"-looking towns across the country where they could have filmed the ad.

They were incredibly stupid and arrogant. Out of the millions of upscale subdivisions around the country, they just happen to pick one that is largely populated by of one of its biggest competitor's employees. It's classic symbolism...Toyota is trying to prove itself superior through arrogant "we're better than you" type of advertising. I hope Toyota really stumbles one of these days...all I see out of them anymore is Imperialistic greed not unlike the Europeans in the 19th century. It would bring me so much satisfaction to see them fail and be brought back down to Earth for a change. Edited August 24, 2005 by mustang84

[Snate]

It's just another push for Toyota to try and show people they are an "american" company.....nothing else really.

[regfootball]

toyota is full of themselves. i hope that someone takes them down HARD.

[sciguy_0504]

Yeah....nobody buys F150's, Explorers, Mustangs, Escapes, Fivehunderd's, Focuses, etc.  If you can't see how Toyota's growing market share, in a country where they don't even produce half of the vehicles there, that they sell there, is causing Ford workers to lose jobs, then you need to go back to high school Economics.

[post="2618"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

With Ford's falling sales, financial losses and the talk of shutting plants I think there's a problem. Sure they might sell a good number of certain vehicles but, ultimately, something just ain't right. Poor products and planning are what's causing Ford to layoff workers, Toyota isn't forcing them to. Toyota's not sabotaging the Focus so it can be recalled for the 1,000th time. Toyota's not secretly wiring money out of Ford's bank accounts. Toyota didn't come up with the acronyms "Fix Or Repair Daily" and "Found On Road Dead." Toyota's not sending out secret agents to kidnap potential Ford customers. Toyota is pretty much doing what it does: builds cars that do not offend that have a reputation for quality. You can go on and on about the "media conspiracy" and Toyota's "great PR department," but it doesn't make a difference. People are buying Toyotas.

Yet it isn't just Toyota's fault. The company's an easy target because it's the largest import manufacturer in the U.S. Nissan and Hyundai's stocks have been growing like crazy, along with the German-owned DCX. However, I bet they don't cause Ford's profits to drop or Ford's employees to be laid off! :rolleyes: Hell, I bet even Cadillac didn't take any sales away from Lincoln, causing the LS to be dropped and the Wixom, MI plant to probably be shut! Damn that Lexus! :P In another thread in the Euro forum there's talk of more European manufacturers wanting to expand into the U.S. again or for the first time. Don't you think they'll take customers away from Ford, as well as the rest of the car industry's companies?

It would be a different story if Ford actually built 100% of their vehicles in the U.S. Yet it runs to Mexico to manufacture the new Fusion, Milan and Zephyr. I guess the Wixom plant, and American workers, weren't good enough. The public will eventually get wind of this, too, probably by that media conspiracy, and a basic thought runs through their head: the Fusion is manufactured in Mexico and the Camry's manufactured in Kentucky. Hmmm... If both cars are pretty much equal in their minds, what do you think will be the deciding factor?

The car industry, just like every other industry in this country (and the world) is a competitive industry. Actually, that's what the capitalistic system is all about: competition. Companies competing for customers and dollars by putting their best foot forward, laying all they got on the line to make a buck, bending or breaking rules to make a sale, not caring about anyone or anything but themselves to gain a customer. That's capitalism. Always has been and always will be. If you don't like it I hear there are still a few communist countries around.

In the past few decades capitalism has changed from a U.S.-only thing to a worldwide thing. Companies across the globe have had to learn to compete not just against their domestic rivals but also their international ones. It seems Ford (and GM) haven't realized this until now. It is rediculous to think Ford or GM (or any car company) can ever again attain a 30 - 50% market share in this country. Consumers have too many choices and automakers have too high expenses.

Bottom line: if Ford doesn't have what it takes to compete with GM, DCX, Hyundai, Nissan, BMW, and (gasp!) Toyota, it will fail to attract and retain customers, leaving it with no cash to invest in new and improved products, therefore allowing vehicles no one wants to buy to sit on dealer lots and collect dust, leading it to layoff thousands of workers and close plants to cut costs just to extend the inevitable: it's demise. That's economics. ;)

[Guest Josh]

Ladies & Gents be prepared to read a MOUNTAIN of a defense in comparison to a MOLE HILL of a question.

Dude, I'm a democrat...but give up the fillibuster on the forums!

With Ford's falling sales, financial losses and the talk of shutting plants I think there's a problem.  Sure they might sell a good number of certain vehicles but, ultimately, something just ain't right.  Poor products and planning are what's causing Ford to layoff workers, Toyota isn't forcing them to.  Toyota's not sabotaging the Focus so it can be recalled for the 1,000th time.  Toyota's not secretly wiring money out of Ford's bank accounts.  Toyota didn't come up with the acronyms "Fix Or Repair Daily" and "Found On Road Dead."  Toyota's not sending out secret agents to kidnap potential Ford customers.  Toyota is pretty much doing what it does:  builds cars that do not offend that have a reputation for quality.  You can go on and on about the "media conspiracy" and Toyota's "great PR department," but it doesn't make a difference.  People are buying Toyotas.

Yet it isn't just Toyota's fault.  The company's an easy target because it's the largest import manufacturer in the U.S.  Nissan and Hyundai's stocks have been growing like crazy, along with the German-owned DCX.  However, I bet they don't cause Ford's profits to drop or Ford's employees to be laid off! :rolleyes: Hell, I bet even Cadillac didn't take any sales away from Lincoln, causing the LS to be dropped and the Wixom, MI plant to probably be shut!  Damn that Lexus! :P In another thread in the Euro forum there's talk of more European manufacturers wanting to expand into the U.S. again or for the first time.  Don't you think they'll take customers away from Ford, as well as the rest of the car industry's companies?

It would be a different story if Ford actually built 100% of their vehicles in the U.S.  Yet it runs to Mexico to manufacture the new Fusion, Milan and Zephyr.  I guess the Wixom plant, and American workers, weren't good enough.  The public will eventually get wind of this, too, probably by that media conspiracy, and a basic thought runs through their head: the Fusion is manufactured in Mexico and the Camry's manufactured in Kentucky.  Hmmm... If both cars are pretty much equal in their minds, what do you think will be the deciding factor?

The car industry, just like every other industry in this country (and the world) is a competitive industry.  Actually, that's what the capitalistic system is all about:  competition.  Companies competing for customers and dollars by putting their best foot forward, laying all they got on the line to make a buck, bending or breaking rules to make a sale, not caring about anyone or anything but themselves to gain a customer.  That's capitalism.  Always has been and always will be.  If you don't like it I hear there are still a few communist countries around.

In the past few decades capitalism has changed from a U.S.-only thing to a worldwide thing.  Companies across the globe have had to learn to compete not just against their domestic rivals but also their international ones.  It seems Ford (and GM) haven't realized this until now.  It is rediculous to think Ford or GM (or any car company) can ever again attain a 30 - 50% market share in this country.  Consumers have too many choices and automakers have too high expenses. 

Bottom line:  if Ford doesn't have what it takes to compete with GM, DCX, Hyundai, Nissan, BMW, and (gasp!) Toyota, it will fail to attract and retain customers, leaving it with no cash to invest in new and improved products, therefore allowing vehicles no one wants to buy to sit on dealer lots and collect dust, leading it to layoff thousands of workers and close plants to cut costs just to extend the inevitable:  it's demise.  That's economics. ;)

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[milleramerican]

Wow, you are such an import fanboy it makes me sick. You remind me of baddabing from awhile back. You are extremely annoying and arrogant, but then again, I suppose you learned that from the company that you so dearly love.

It would be a different story if Ford actually built 100% of their vehicles in the U.S.  Yet it runs to Mexico to manufacture the new Fusion, Milan and Zephyr.  I guess the Wixom plant, and American workers, weren't good enough.  The public will eventually get wind of this, too, probably by that media conspiracy, and a basic thought runs through their head: the Fusion is manufactured in Mexico and the Camry's manufactured in Kentucky.  Hmmm... If both cars are pretty much equal in their minds, what do you think will be the deciding factor?

The car industry, just like every other industry in this country (and the world) is a competitive industry.  Actually, that's what the capitalistic system is all about:  competition.  Companies competing for customers and dollars by putting their best foot forward, laying all they got on the line to make a buck, bending or breaking rules to make a sale, not caring about anyone or anything but themselves to gain a customer.  That's capitalism.  Always has been and always will be.  If you don't like it I hear there are still a few communist countries around.

[post="2818"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

You are a fucking idiot. I can't believe that you would even cite the camry as being made in the states and the ford as being made in mexico when toyota imports far more from foreign countries. How stupid do you really have to be?

Also, I hope your response is witty, since you seem to be good at that, as evidenced by your last post.

[MyerShift]

Even if the other European automakers come back to the U.S. market, it just doesn't seem as threatening to me for some reason as more Asian brands. Yes, I do know that they would steal sales away from the Big 3, but better them than Japan, Korea, or (shuddering) China. Guess it's just that bias showing again.

[turbo200]

Wow, you are such an import fanboy it makes me sick. You remind me of baddabing from awhile back. You are extremely annoying and arrogant, but then again, I suppose you learned that from the company that you so dearly love.
You are a fucking idiot. I can't believe that you would even cite the camry as being made in the states and the ford as being made in mexico when toyota imports far more from foreign countries. How stupid do you really have to be?

Also, I hope your response is witty, since you seem to be good at that, as evidenced by your last post.

[post="2836"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

You can call people names all you want, that's not going to change the profit/sales story, it comes down to who makes the most appealing product, and also who has the most loyal customers. Apparently Tauruses of the 80's and 90's weren't sophisticated and reliable enough to hold on to their number one position in sales, because Ford no longer has a car anywhere near that position. Honda and Toyota are the forces to beat now and it's going to take a lot more than anything Ford has shown us so far, and that includes the Fusion which is no better a car (at least from a looks and sophistication standpoint, still haven't driven it or read reviews) than yesterday's Accord.

Sciguy presents a reasonable, well-rounded argument, and his point about the Camry being built here wasn't to prove it or Toyota's American-ness, it was simply to illustrate a point about the average discerning American consumer. Toyota has done a good job convincing Americans they are American as apple pie, GM and FORD have NOT done a good job of retaliating. What about parts content, what about research and development, retirees, what about the number of jobs tied to a GM product???? These are all issues I have only dreamed about hearing in commercials. What Sciguy was trying to say was that, in this respect, the Fusion falls behind to the Camry, and some average consumer, not knowing any better about parts content and the others mentioned above will think he will be supporting America by buying the true American-made product.

What's it going to take to beat the imports? Quality and good old American style, but a good sense of style that makes you desire to own the car. Neither of these can be half-baked or half-assed; they need to exceed on the bars set by foreign competitors on both levels, otherwise go home. So far Ford hasn't shown enough of either.

[BrewSwillis]

With Ford's falling sales, financial losses and the talk of shutting plants I think there's a problem.  Sure they might sell a good number of certain vehicles but, ultimately, something just ain't right.  Poor products and planning are what's causing Ford to layoff workers, Toyota isn't forcing them to.  Toyota's not sabotaging the Focus so it can be recalled for the 1,000th time.  Toyota's not secretly wiring money out of Ford's bank accounts.  Toyota didn't come up with the acronyms "Fix Or Repair Daily" and "Found On Road Dead."  Toyota's not sending out secret agents to kidnap potential Ford customers.  Toyota is pretty much doing what it does:  builds cars that do not offend that have a reputation for quality.  You can go on and on about the "media conspiracy" and Toyota's "great PR department," but it doesn't make a difference.  People are buying Toyotas.

Yet it isn't just Toyota's fault.  The company's an easy target because it's the largest import manufacturer in the U.S.  Nissan and Hyundai's stocks have been growing like crazy, along with the German-owned DCX.  However, I bet they don't cause Ford's profits to drop or Ford's employees to be laid off! :rolleyes: Hell, I bet even Cadillac didn't take any sales away from Lincoln, causing the LS to be dropped and the Wixom, MI plant to probably be shut!  Damn that Lexus! :P In another thread in the Euro forum there's talk of more European manufacturers wanting to expand into the U.S. again or for the first time.  Don't you think they'll take customers away from Ford, as well as the rest of the car industry's companies?

It would be a different story if Ford actually built 100% of their vehicles in the U.S.  Yet it runs to Mexico to manufacture the new Fusion, Milan and Zephyr.  I guess the Wixom plant, and American workers, weren't good enough.  The public will eventually get wind of this, too, probably by that media conspiracy, and a basic thought runs through their head: the Fusion is manufactured in Mexico and the Camry's manufactured in Kentucky.  Hmmm... If both cars are pretty much equal in their minds, what do you think will be the deciding factor?

The car industry, just like every other industry in this country (and the world) is a competitive industry.  Actually, that's what the capitalistic system is all about:  competition.  Companies competing for customers and dollars by putting their best foot forward, laying all they got on the line to make a buck, bending or breaking rules to make a sale, not caring about anyone or anything but themselves to gain a customer.  That's capitalism.  Always has been and always will be.  If you don't like it I hear there are still a few communist countries around.

In the past few decades capitalism has changed from a U.S.-only thing to a worldwide thing.  Companies across the globe have had to learn to compete not just against their domestic rivals but also their international ones.  It seems Ford (and GM) haven't realized this until now.  It is rediculous to think Ford or GM (or any car company) can ever again attain a 30 - 50% market share in this country.  Consumers have too many choices and automakers have too high expenses. 

Bottom line:  if Ford doesn't have what it takes to compete with GM, DCX, Hyundai, Nissan, BMW, and (gasp!) Toyota, it will fail to attract and retain customers, leaving it with no cash to invest in new and improved products, therefore allowing vehicles no one wants to buy to sit on dealer lots and collect dust, leading it to layoff thousands of workers and close plants to cut costs just to extend the inevitable:  it's demise.  That's economics. ;)

[post="2818"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Your replys are old and stale. You have the same response to every argument. You always bring up the few Asian vehicles that are built in the US, and then bring up the few American vehicles that are built in Mexico. You are well on your way to becoming a Toyota PR rep., because you can just ignore the actual numbers and facts that show how Ford still has at least 3 times (heck, it might be more, but I can't search the old board) as many American employees as Toyota, and builds a great deal more vehicles, powertrains, and parts in the US then Toyota ever will.

You always bring up capitalism as a defense for the citizens of the US buying whatever they can for the cheapest price.....at any cost. If that really was a true model for our society, then there would be NO manufacturing jobs here......or people would be working for $3.00 a day, therefore throwing the whole economy in the toilet. It is in fact out government's duty to make sure that there are still jobs for Americans, and that foreign companies do not have the ridiculously unfair advantages that they are currently enjoying. They are doing a piss poor job right now.

[sciguy_0504]

Hey, domestic fanboy. The glare from that Ford logo is sure blinding. You can call me any name your little mind comes up with but it doesn't take away from the facts. Without proper products and planning Ford, along with any company, will fail. It's that simple. Case in point: my parents owned a late 80's Aerostar. Let's just say they'll never own another Ford product, no matter how desireable one (ie. Mustang) looks. Why not mention that the Camry is made in the U.S. and the Fusion is going to be made in Mexico? Unless some land-swap deal between the U.S., Mexico and Japan occured during the past 24 hours, that's a fact. Toyota does import far more vehicles than Ford but that has nothing to do where certain cars are manufactured. To think it does would be idiotic. I keep up with the "old and stale" replies because few of you seem to understand them, mainly the capitalism argument. I don't have a degree in business (yet) but it seems like common sense to me. People ARE going to buy products that allow them to make the most of their money. Wouldn't you? Why do you think Hyundai is getting so popular? Lucky Jeans are 100% made in the U.S. Why don't you go buy a pair. Sure their prices start at $100 but I'm sure you can pony up a few more bucks just because they're made in this country, unlike jeans from Wal-Mart and Target (though I'm sure the $15 jeans at Wal-Mart and the $100 pair at Lucky are pretty much equal in quality). You wouldn't want to seem hypocritical... In your mind, brew, "government protection" probably means not allowing any foreign manufacturers to sell products in the U.S. I'm taking a guess based on your statements so please correct me if I'm wrong. How does not allowing certain companies to do business in this country help? Without any competition those select few manufacturers allowed to do business in this country have free reign to make poor products and charge any price and the public is pretty much forced to buy them (we all need cars). Contrary to your opinion, foreign manufacturers also contribute to our economy. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't favor one manufacturer over another. I like a car because I like a car, not because it's made by a certain company in a certain country. No amount of name calling, opinion bashing, truth twisting or hissyfits are going to change one simple fact: Ford and GM need to drastically change if they want to get their mojos back. That includes design, pricing, sales experience, service, corporate culture, PR, etc. Remember...you guys are enthusiasts. Normal buyers are different.

[milleramerican]

Hey, domestic fanboy.  The glare from that Ford logo is sure blinding.

You can call me any name your little mind comes up with but it doesn't take away from the facts.  Without proper products and planning Ford, along with any company, will fail.  It's that simple.  Case in point:  my parents owned a late 80's Aerostar.  Let's just say they'll never own another Ford product, no matter how desireable one (ie. Mustang) looks.

Why not mention that the Camry is made in the U.S. and the Fusion is going to be made in Mexico?  Unless some land-swap deal between the U.S., Mexico and Japan occured during the past 24 hours, that's a fact.  Toyota does import far more vehicles than Ford but that has nothing to do where certain cars are manufactured.  To think it does would be idiotic.

I keep up with the "old and stale" replies because few of you seem to understand them, mainly the capitalism argument.  I don't have a degree in business (yet) but it seems like common sense to me.  People ARE going to buy products that allow them to make the most of their money.  Wouldn't you?  Why do you think Hyundai is getting so popular?  Lucky Jeans are 100% made in the U.S.  Why don't you go buy a pair.  Sure their prices start at $100 but I'm sure you can pony up a few more bucks just because they're made in this country, unlike jeans from Wal-Mart and Target (though I'm sure the $15 jeans at Wal-Mart and the $100 pair at Lucky are pretty much equal in quality).  You wouldn't want to seem hypocritical...

In your mind, brew, "government protection" probably means not allowing any foreign manufacturers to sell products in the U.S.  I'm taking a guess based on your statements so please correct me if I'm wrong.  How does not allowing certain companies to do business in this country help?  Without any competition those select few manufacturers allowed to do business in this country have free reign to make poor products and charge any price and the public is pretty much forced to buy them (we all need cars).  Contrary to your opinion, foreign manufacturers also contribute to our economy.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:  I don't favor one manufacturer over another.  I like a car because I like a car, not because it's made by a certain company in a certain country.

No amount of name calling, opinion bashing, truth twisting or hissyfits are going to change one simple fact:  Ford and GM need to drastically change if they want to get their mojos back.  That includes design, pricing, sales experience, service, corporate culture, PR, etc.

Remember...you guys are enthusiasts.  Normal buyers are different.

[post="3128"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Actually im a GM fanboy, thats why im at this site. Also, the main reason I got pissed was because you seemed arrogant in response to brew a few posts up. This last post wasnt nearly as bad.

[PontiacTechNJ]

I love putting a Camry up on the lift . Looking at the wet oil pan from the leaky head gasket , the oil leak at the plug where the distributer was . The always failing fuel air sensor . The leaky water pump . The timing belt banging around from the flimsy tensioner . The not so flexible axle boots that crack from age . The oil pump seal leaks . The V6 sludge , clogging the oil drainbacks and valvecover baffles , causing the customer to drive around with the oil light on all day . The valve guide seals causing puffy blue smoke from the tailpipe like a 66 283 chevy on start up on a cold morning . The never ending hunger for wheel bearings that are a bear to press out . Oh yes Toyota and it's relentless pursuit of perfection as long and as many times you tell the public how perfect you are , after about 45 years they believe you .

[BrewSwillis]

In your mind, brew, "government protection" probably means not allowing any foreign manufacturers to sell products in the U.S.  I'm taking a guess based on your statements so please correct me if I'm wrong.  How does not allowing certain companies to do business in this country help?  Without any competition those select few manufacturers allowed to do business in this country have free reign to make poor products and charge any price and the public is pretty much forced to buy them (we all need cars).  Contrary to your opinion, foreign manufacturers also contribute to our economy.

[post="3128"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

I never said anything about the government not letting foreign companies do business in the US.......as long as it's FAIR. Manipulating currency, and building vehicles in a place that has much lower wages and public health care is not exactly fair. Therefore, I think that there needs to be some government interaction to keep the playing field level. If Toyota was burdened with the same retiree costs and health care that GM is burdened with, do you think they would be able to sell their "higher quality" cars for the same price? The Asians still enjoy unfair economic advantages......and that's why they have "nicer" interior materials and fasteners, can afford to load up their cars with "standard options", and spend BILLIONS on R&D to come up with hybrids and such.

Competition is fine.....as long as it's fair and ethical. Edited August 24, 2005 by BrewSwillis

[PontiacTechNJ]

Toyota and domestic suppliers . Bodine steel . Great American company . Headline in the newspaper " TOYOTA SIGNS SUPPLIER CONTRACT WITH BODINE STEEL " Such and such numbers of new jobs etc . One small problem . Toyota owns Bodine steel . I am sure the benefits the Congress hoped for in this SCAM of building Japanese cars in this country are not in the United States favor .

[capriceman]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :Toyota: I no exactly where that subdivision is infact my uncle frank lives in it and guesss what? HE WORKS FOR FORD!! never would he let a jap crap car in his driveway he makes my family (GM FAMILY) park in the street cuz we all have GM cars. But my uncle called me about this and he said if it went on he said for my dad to try to get a H1 company car and i would pull in the night before and put it in the garage. then pull it out and park it in the drive way. LOL LOL its nice when places you no get attention on a site or news that you can relate to :lol: :lol: :lol: i didnt expect to see this on C&G :Toyota:

[Variance]

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :Toyota:
I no exactly where that subdivision is infact my uncle frank lives in it and guesss what?

HE WORKS FOR FORD!!

never would he let a Japanese crap car in his driveway he makes my family (GM FAMILY) park in the street cuz we all have GM cars.

But my uncle called me about this and he said if it went on he said for my dad to try to get a H1 company car and i would pull in the night before and put it in the garage. then pull it out and park it in the drive way. LOL LOL its nice when places you no get attention on a site or news that you can relate to  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

i didnt expect to see this on C&G :Toyota:

[post="3379"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

You didn't expect to see an article on Toyota in the Asian Marque section of the "Other Guys" forum?? :huh:

[evok]

Your replys are old and stale.  You have the same response to every argument.  You always bring up the few Asian vehicles that are built in the US, and then bring up the few American vehicles that are built in Mexico.  You are well on your way to becoming a Toyota PR rep., because you can just ignore the actual numbers and facts that show how Ford still has at least 3 times (heck, it might be more, but I can't search the old board) as many American employees as Toyota, and builds a great deal more vehicles, powertrains, and parts in the US then Toyota ever will.

You always bring up capitalism as a defense for the citizens of the US buying whatever they can for the cheapest price.....at any cost.  If that really was a true model for our society, then there would be NO manufacturing jobs here......or people would be working for $3.00 a day, therefore throwing the whole economy in the toilet.  It is in fact out government's duty to make sure that there are still jobs for Americans, and that foreign companies do not have the ridiculously unfair advantages that they are currently enjoying.  They are doing a piss poor job right now.

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Post data that supports your opinion. I just went through every single one of your posts since this site came back. You opinion with zero support in either experiene in this industry or data. Give me a break. And, every argument you have made is ill informed and lacks insight into this industry or for that matter any industry. Please re-read the constitution, it does not make such claims as the purpose of the US goverment. Edited August 25, 2005 by evok