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Focus outsells Cobalt

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I read today where the Ford Focus has overtaken the Chevrolet Cobalt in sales so far in 2008, and Ford has an ambitious plan to drastically increase production of the car to meet demand. Like all of us, in the beginning, the new Focus shocked me with its new look, but over time I've warmed to it. I really think it's a pleasant package with some intrinsic European goodness in its chassis, a quiet ride, good features, a nice, comfortable interior, excellent mileage ratings, and distinctive looks. Nevermind Sync, it's got to be more than one feature drawing buyers in at such a fast pace.
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I still am put off by its exterior styling. Much more so than the CR-V. I got a chance to look at one up close, and even more details stood out to me as completely awkward and seemingly intentionally incorporated simply to make the design look goofy/odd/awkward.

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The Cobalt is 4 years old. Not too surprising that the Focus can outsell it.

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the focus is an absolutely horrible joke of a car. at least the cobalt has a serious design and not a humorous one like the focus.

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with the new engine we shall see if it holds....

with the "total redesign" in 1 year, i doubt it will hold up, unless ford does wondersand make a svt eco boost....that'd be something! real competition for the SS for a non AWD vehicle

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I said the car would either be a big hit or a big failure... Looks like Ford has a hit on their hands.

The Focus is dated, but it isn't a bad little car. I actually love the aggressive nose on the new car but can't stand the side vents and forgettable rear.

My '01 Focus is no sports car but it's fun to drive given what I paid for it and it has excellent mileage to boot.

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That's 35 MPG baby!

It also helps that the Focus is fairly large inside with a comfy backseat, helping buyers who scale down from a midsizer. And what's the point of buying a current Cobalt auto when a Malibu auto gets nearly the same mileage? The Focus, on the other hand, gets noticeably better fuel economy than the Fusion.

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sync plus low price plus good gas mileage. don't discount how important it was to keep the old design and keep the selling price low. cruise a ford lot and most focii are priced from 13-16 or 17 grand. sure the 'better' compacts are great but time and time again proof shows that in order for small cars to move in this country they cannot infringe much on the price of the midsizers.

the CR ratings for the focus are good also and so it is not a reason to not buy the car.

it goes to show, people buying small cars for mileage, wise up and realize that paying 20 grand for a civic makes no sense if the same type of car is like 4 grand less and the gas mileage is the same.

i wish the ecoboost fusion were out right now. supposedly 30/40 mpg, can you imagine sales going through the roof on a usable mid sizer like that with that kind of mpg and a reasonable price?

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It's been noted that the best cars are never the best sellers.

Then car manufacturers should do their best not to build the best cars. :scratchchin:

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There are production delays with the Cobalt. We are completely sold out and have had our incoming units slashed in half. We are told there will be an early roll out of '09 Cobalts to pick up the slack, but that doesn't help us now. As with the Malibu, it is frustrating to not be able to get our hands on a hot selling vehicle. The entire city of Toronto is pretty much sold out of Cobalts. We are told to sell Aveos, instead. <_<

The axle strike has affected pick-up availability, too. We are told factory sold orders will be honored, but beyond that, no guarantees.

The packaging changes to the Cobalt have made it a very competitive vehicle. With the engine improvements to the 2.2 in '09 and the upcoming SS, the old gal will have some kick in her yet. However, I wouldn't be upset if a killer was waiting in the wings for '10.

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Focus also has $2K more in cashback than the Cobalt.

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Then car manufacturers should do their best not to build the best cars. :scratchchin:

That's what got GM in trouble some years ago, though. :scratchchin:

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sync plus low price plus good gas mileage. don't discount how important it was to keep the old design and keep the selling price low. cruise a ford lot and most focii are priced from 13-16 or 17 grand. sure the 'better' compacts are great but time and time again proof shows that in order for small cars to move in this country they cannot infringe much on the price of the midsizers.

You and that sync.... So if the RL had Sync would it become a hit overnight? :thumbsup:

it goes to show, people buying small cars for mileage, wise up and realize that paying 20 grand for a civic makes no sense if the same type of car is like 4 grand less and the gas mileage is the same.

Based on that logic, why buy anything other than a Kia Rio? The Rio with auto gets better mileage than the Focus and is cheaper. Better warranty too. Hmmm... there's something missing here....

i wish the ecoboost fusion were out right now. supposedly 30/40 mpg, can you imagine sales going through the roof on a usable mid sizer like that with that kind of mpg and a reasonable price?

I'm skeptical about a smaller displacement turbo motor getting significantly better mileage. Maybe out of boost, but not driven normally or hurriedly. I will believe it when I see it. And what is the price premium going to be?

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The Cobalt is 4 years old. Not too surprising that the Focus can outsell it.

Agreed. And the Focus is only has a 1,000 car lead...that is not much...

It looks like even Ford was surprised by this one...the Wayne Plant is on overtime until further notice.

Even though many of us thought the refresh was very halfass (which it was), Ford is getting the last laugh. They didn't have to spend a lot, which saves them money (hopefully for a really good Focus next round), and the Sync is a huge hit. And it is priced right......

Suddenly I'm having flashbacks of the Escorts..... :scratchchin:

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The styling of the Focus turns me off completely...as with the lack of hatchbacks..I've never seen the appeal of sedans in compact cars like the Focus--hatchbacks are much more useful. The original Focus hatchbacks looked great, IMHO, and the SVT model was a blast (I drove a friend's a few times--fun little car).

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the civic makes sense as a small family sedan. it has an uspcale feel, is incredibly efficient, and has a great drive/ride. in hybrid mode it has ample power and gas mileage [i am again averaging over 42]. it surely is an example of one automaker's best being a hot selling car as well as commanding upscale pricing.

the focus svt was a cool car, as are all hatches, agreed.

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You and that sync.... So if the RL had Sync would it become a hit overnight? :thumbsup:

Based on that logic, why buy anything other than a Kia Rio? The Rio with auto gets better mileage than the Focus and is cheaper. Better warranty too. Hmmm... there's something missing here....

I'm skeptical about a smaller displacement turbo motor getting significantly better mileage. Maybe out of boost, but not driven normally or hurriedly. I will believe it when I see it. And what is the price premium going to be?

price premium = cheaper than a hybrid civic.

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Agreed. And the Focus is only has a 1,000 car lead...that is not much...

It looks like even Ford was surprised by this one...the Wayne Plant is on overtime until further notice.

Even though many of us thought the refresh was very halfass (which it was), Ford is getting the last laugh. They didn't have to spend a lot, which saves them money (hopefully for a really good Focus next round), and the Sync is a huge hit. And it is priced right......

Suddenly I'm having flashbacks of the Escorts..... :scratchchin:

it's so funny. people underestimate how big a part sync plays in this. SOME folks want to ignore it and discount it and what people forget is we are now a gadget / cell phone / mp3 society. basically, y'all don't know what motivates buyers.....

and no, the RL won't sell any better with sync because THAT car is still overpriced to begin with.

it may be luck and the planets aligning, but again, ford gets the last laugh. retail sales for focus up 36%, avg transaction prices up 2k from before

ad today, new focus with air for 12 and change. how anyone can justify paying 3-5 grand more for a civic if they are simply looking to save transporatation cost is beyond me.

if you want a family car, then escew the civic and get into a fusion for 16 and change.

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Ford has advertised the "new" focus quite a bit. I wonder what the relative significance of that vs. "synic" has been?

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reg, it may come as a shock but not everyone has the same priorities as you do when they shop for a car.

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Wasn't someone saying that the Cobalt was in short supply? i.e. after a couple of strong months there aren't enough to go around?

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I still am put off by its exterior styling. Much more so than the CR-V. I got a chance to look at one up close, and even more details stood out to me as completely awkward and seemingly intentionally incorporated simply to make the design look goofy/odd/awkward.

...with that statement you also could be talking about Scion. The New xD has got to be one of the ugliest cars on the planet, alongside most of Nissan's product lineup.

Chris

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Then car manufacturers should do their best not to build the best cars. :scratchchin:

They have all been doing that for years, hence the present cluster-f@#k.

While he gets on my nerves, sometimes ya just gotta admit sixty-eight is right. I would in some ways agree that "the best cars were made 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago."

That being said, the Focus is a fine example of a car we need right now. Well built, handles well, priced right, nice stereo, should continue to sell well.

Glad to see Focuses (Foci? What is the logical plural of Focus?) going out the door instead of Nissans, Mitsu's, and Kias.

Chris

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There are production delays with the Cobalt. We are completely sold out and have had our incoming units slashed in half. We are told there will be an early roll out of '09 Cobalts to pick up the slack, but that doesn't help us now. As with the Malibu, it is frustrating to not be able to get our hands on a hot selling vehicle. The entire city of Toronto is pretty much sold out of Cobalts. We are told to sell Aveos, instead. <_<

The axle strike has affected pick-up availability, too. We are told factory sold orders will be honored, but beyond that, no guarantees.

The packaging changes to the Cobalt have made it a very competitive vehicle. With the engine improvements to the 2.2 in '09 and the upcoming SS, the old gal will have some kick in her yet. However, I wouldn't be upset if a killer was waiting in the wings for '10.

...by the way BIZ', thank you for your excitement about the Cobalt. Had I walked into your Toronto dealership methinks I would have bought a 'balt rather than my Scion xB when I bought my last car.

My next buying decision should rectify that problem, however.

As far as kick in the old gal, the SS/Sc had plenty of it for a small car, can't wait for the SS/TC to come out.

Chris

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