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GM will have to reduce the price of this truck to take over the market share in this class of trucks. Why pay the same for a mid-size when you can get a full size?

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Don't expect to be able to get a full-size GM truck for compact-truck prices for much longer. GM will cut production in order to increase margins when the GMT 901/902 arrive in '07. The GMT 800's are in run-out and you won't see these prices in future.

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Don't expect to be able to get a full-size GM truck for compact-truck prices for much longer. GM will cut production in order to increase margins when the GMT 901/902 arrive in '07. The GMT 800's are in run-out and you won't see these prices in future.

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If GM is smart, they won't rise prices..much...

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Agreed.  The midsize GM trucks are right on the money for size and they have the right powertrain for these uncertain times concerning gas prices.  A diesel engine option and more differentiation between Chevy and GMC would only increase their appeal.  Other "small" trucks have gotten too big, and like I've said before... what's the point of having trucks in two sizes if there isn't enough of a noticeable difference?

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I agree, unfortunately the word around the shop (GM) is that the next gen GMT 360's (mid size SUV's) will be bigger and drop the ext version-goodbye OK plant. I can't imagine how anyone will tell the difference between an 07 Tahoe and an 07 Trailblazer...especially as the front end of the new Tahoe is closer than ever to the current Trailblazer. I guess we'll have to see if the 355's (pickups) follow the same path. BTW I don't mean to use the ()'s to insult your knowedge of GM, it's for viewers who might not be formiliar...

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The 2006 Holden Rodeo (I think Colorado is based on the same platform) is about to arrive with the HF 3.6.

We have not been told what the power output is yet (Do dealers all over the world share this problem?) but I believe it will be somewhere around 235hp. This engine should also give pretty good fuel economy.

Why does GM USA stick with the I5 when it has the HF V6 that is supposed to be in everything? Torque maybe?

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Not, sure ... maybe too expensive. But the inlines were designed specifically for trucks. I've also heard the inlines ( atleast the I-6 which is of the same family as the I-4 and I-5) may get DOD in 07. I don't believe the high feature V-6's have that. Now the new 3.9 with VVT and DOD?....240 horse without SC (like the 3800)?
That might just work, especially for those who think an I-5 is wierd- like the old timers...

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Don't forget the I5 is being bumped up to 3.7 L. Along with other upgrades that should increase power to be competitive with Nissan's 4.0 L V6, and more than Toyota's. The diesel is waiting for a reasonable NOx solution, currently a urea additive which the EPA doesn't think people will bother topping up (frequency would be similar to an oil change). H3 and Colorado models built in South Africa and Thailand don't have to worry, but will probably get a more powerful version of the current 3.0 L. A V8 SS model for the Colorado and a V8 H3 Alpha will come, probably with DOD to keep fuel economy low.

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They must bump it to a 3.7 if they plan to use it as a base for the next gen GMT 900 pickups. But I saw somewhere an obscure artical about the possibilty of a 4.6l V6 as a base engine for the next gen pickups. A chopped 6.0? like the 4.3 off the 5.7? If anyone else has heard of this 4.6 and has a link please send.... :CG_all:

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If all the rumors on different engine families are true then I can see some of GM's current cash problems. How many entirely different engine ranges does one (think global on this one) manufacturer need? Toyota manage to get away with different versions of the same family of engines around the globe. Maybe this gives a hint as to why they can manufacture vehicles with a bigger margin then GM.

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If all the rumors on different engine families are true then I can see some of GM's current cash problems.

How many entirely different engine ranges does one (think global on this one) manufacturer need?

Toyota manage to get away with different versions of the same family of engines around the globe. Maybe this gives a hint as to why they can manufacture vehicles with a bigger margin then GM.

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GM has esssentially only a hanful of "different" engines. Think "Engine Family". Small block v8/(4.3 v6 built on the same old line as the 350 side by side for yrs.), Big block v8, Ecotech (just different displacements but mostly same parts) 60 degree pushrod family (3.5, 3.9 which replace 3.1, 3.4) high feature v6 Family (caddie 2.8, 3.6) NorthStar, and Atlas Family (I4,I5,I6) 4 and 5 built on same assembly line at Tonawanda, and soon 5 and 6 built on same line at Flint. And I believe all the Vette Engines are built on the same line in St. Cathrines as the small block truck engines and impalla and mony v8's. Only odd ball left is 3800....maybe they will bore and stroke that to replace the 4.3 as it is a 90 degree v6 (which btw was also a chop of the old 60's buick "Wild Cat" engine) So making a replacement for the 4.3 may not reqire alot of $, just go with bigger 3800, or chop one of the new V8's. I count 6 differen't engine families...........not that many when you consider 8 GM brands....Uh Oh...7 forgot about duramax....this is USA only that I'm refering to.

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O.C., I bought my Colorado in January of '04, so it's an early one.  My problems have been minor, and my fuel mileage is averaging 4 mpg better than the old 4.3 in my last S-10, a '98 ZR2.  This Colorado is better made than any of the 5 S-10s I've owned, all brand new.

I don't agree with your assessment of the 3.5L I-5.

It seems to me the market agrees with me.  The trucks are selling well, last I've seen.

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I have no doubt the Colorado is a better vehicle than the S-10....it's a MUCH newer design. And I'm glad you are happy with it.

However, engine alone doesn't dictate one's success in the marketplace. If Colorado is the best selling small pickup, then the numbers don't lie. ('Course I wonder what impact GM's massive incentives have had on Colorado's sales bragging rights....?)

That doesn't change the fact that the I-5 is uncompetitive IMHO in terms of power, smoothness, and NVH (compared to its V6 competition......Tacoma, Frontier, and even Ridgeline if you want to throw the Honda in.) Even the 4.0L OHC V6 in the Ranger has a much torquier feel.....and even THAT engine is smoother and quieter at least from my drives.

I'll tell you I don't see NEAR as many of those here in California as I do Frontier and Tacoma....which tend to be the popular choice in this part of the country.

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I think I see a fair share of ever mid-size truck in these parts. OC mentioned the Ridgeline...I don't see that.

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