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GENERAL MOTORS FUTURE PRODUCTS

GM unveils 2-year product plan around its four core brands

JAMIE LAREAU

AUTOMOTIVE NEWS

AUGUST 11, 2009 - 3:09 PM ET

DETROIT -- General Motors Co., trying to build confidence in the marketplace after a stint in Bankruptcy Court, unveiled its two-year product plan today. The highlights:

• Chevrolet: A new small car, the Spark, will be positioned below the Aveo. The Volt plug-in hybrid is scheduled to arrive in November 2010. GO TO: Chevrolet

• Buick: GM will rebuild the lineup with two new crossovers and two sedans smaller than the 2010 LaCrosse. GO TO: Buick

• GMC: A subcompact crossover is under study. GO TO: GMC

• Cadillac: A small model below the CTS is planned, along with a flagship to replace the DTS and STS. The CTS and the small model will get coupe versions. GO TO: Cadillac

During its 39-day bankruptcy, GM struck deals to sell the Saab, Hummer and Saturn brands. Pontiac is being killed this year.

What follows is GM's model-by-model plan for the remaining four brands for the 2010-12 model years. It was compiled from GM's presentation today and from company, supplier and industry sources. It will be published as part of our annual future product series in the August 17 print edition of Automotive News.

Buick's game plan: more style and vehicles

GM will bring the Opel Insignia to the U.S. as the 2011 Buick Regal.

Here are highlights of Buick's product plans for the 2010-12 model years.

• Small sedan: Buick will market a compact car built on GM's global compact front-drive Delta platform. The platform will be shared with the Chevrolet Cruze and other GM models. Buick's model will have unique sheet metal and be slightly longer than the Cruze.

GM probably will sell the small Buick first in China as a 2011 model. The U.S. version is expected to be assembled in North America and marketed as a 2012 model.

• Regal: Buick is resurrecting the Regal name for its version of the Opel Insignia, which it will get as a 2011 model.

The Insignia, Regal and 2010 Buick LaCrosse are based on GM's new global mid-sized, fwd vehicle platform, but the Regal and Insignia are 6.9 inches shorter than the 196.9-inch LaCrosse. The Regal is expected to be priced several thousand dollars less than the LaCrosse and offered only with a four-cylinder engine. The Regal is critical because GM expects the car to be the brand's top seller.

The redesigned 2010 LaCrosse will be Buick's new flagship. The Lucerne will be discontinued.

• LaCrosse: GM is hoping the redesigned 2010 LaCrosse sedan will do for Buick what the Malibu has done for Chevrolet: raise transaction prices and sales volume. LaCrosse sales begin this month. The LaCrosse was developed on GM's new global mid-sized fwd vehicle platform.

GM sees this car as a key to Buick's renaissance. Prices start at $27,835, including transportation, and top out over $40,000. The LaCrosse will be Buick's flagship sedan when the Lucerne is discontinued.

• Lucerne: The Lucerne will be discontinued in the next year or two because of poor sales.

• Small crossover: GM will offer Buick a small crossover developed on its next-generation global Gamma platform. That platform will be shared by the redesigned Chevrolet Aveo and other vehicles. The crossover is expected to appear in the 2012 model year.

• Compact crossover: Buick will get a version of the Saturn Vue, with a restyled front that will make it look like a Buick. The car will debut next year as a 2011 model. A plug-in hybrid will be added in 2011.

• Enclave: GM plans to freshen the Enclave for the 2012 model year. The Enclave is not in line to get a hybrid version because GM cannot fit the powertrain into the current model.

Cadillac aims to sell small, medium and large luxury

Cadillac will add a CTS Coupe to its lineup in 2010.

Here are highlights of Cadillac's plans for the 2010-12 model years.

• Small Cadillac: A small, entry-level Cadillac is expected for the 2012 model year. The car would be developed on GM's new global, rear-drive Alpha vehicle platform and positioned below the CTS. A hybrid version is being considered.

• CTS: The CTS added a wagon this year, called the Sport Wagon. A coupe is coming in the 2010 model year.

The next-generation CTS will be smaller and lighter, debuting in the 2013 model year or later.

• DTS: Production will end in 2010 or 2011.

• XTS sedan: The 2012 XTS sedan will replace the DTS and STS.

GM's new global mid-sized, fwd vehicle architecture will be adopted for Cadillac. That architecture is used for the 2010 Buick LaCrosse, Opel Insignia and other vehicles. The platform for the Cadillac model will be widened 2.0 inches. GM executives determined that the interior would be too narrow to compete with the BMW 7 series or other luxury sedans.

The XTS -- if the name is kept -- will be approximately the same size as the 2010 Mercedes-Benz E-class sedan. All-wheel drive is expected to be optional or standard on the Cadillac; the final decision has not been made.

GM revealed a picture of the XTS at a dealer meeting. One dealer described it as "a smaller, more efficient package. It'll be glamorous and good value at the same time."

• STS: Production is expected to end around 2011.

• Plug-in hybrid: GM unveiled the Converj concept at the Detroit auto show in January. It is uncertain whether the vehicle will go into production.

• SRX: The redesigned 2010 SRX is smaller than the previous generation, seating five instead of seven. Weight was reduced, and fuel economy was increased; a V-8 no longer is available. The 2010 SRX was developed on a blend of GM's fwd Theta and global mid-sized vehicle platforms, called Theta Premium. The previous SRX was rwd. A freshening is expected for the 2013 model year.

• Escalade, Escalade ESV, Escalade EXT: The Escalade family's future is on hold until GM determines how the new corporate average fuel economy regulations will affect GM's full-sized GMT900 truck program. The current Escalade model line is likely to continue into the 2011 model year, maybe 2012.

GM's next-generation trucks could appear in the 2013 or 2014 model year. Which Cadillac models if any will remain on the full-sized truck architecture has not been decided.

One option under review is extending the front-wheel-drive Lambda vehicle platform to develop one or two Escalade models, possibly for the 2012 or 2013 model year.

Chevy promises attractive small cars, crossovers

Here are Chevrolet's 2010-12 model year highlights.

• Spark: The 2012 Spark will be Chevrolet's new entry-level model. The five-door hatchback will be slotted below the Aveo, which is moving a bit upmarket. The Spark will be based on the redesigned front-wheel-drive Daewoo Matrix.

The U.S. version will have a 1.2-liter four-cylinder engine and will get an estimated 50 mpg on the highway. A 1.0-liter three-cylinder engine is under consideration. North American assembly is expected; projected annual sales are 25,000 to 30,000.

• Aveo: The Aveo will be redesigned for the 2011 model year. The next-generation car will be sized close to today's Cobalt and priced slightly higher than the current Aveo. One model, a five-door hatchback, is planned.

GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Co. is developing the redesigned Aveo in South Korea with help from a product development team in China. The car will be built on GM's global Gamma platform. The U.S. version likely will be assembled in GM's plant in San Luis Potosi, Mexico.

• Cruze: GM is aiming the 2011 Cruze at the Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla. GM is promising a high level of refinement, a comfortable interior and good ride and handling.

The Cruze was developed on GM's global fwd Delta vehicle platform. GM's Lordstown, Ohio, plant will begin assembling the North American version in April.

The European version went on sale in March. The car also is sold in China. GM's Australian subsidiary, Holden, will market a version in 2010. Daewoo calls its version the Lacetti Premiere. That car went on sale last year in Korea.

The Cruze will be powered by GM's new 1.4-liter four-cylinder engine. A turbocharged version is planned. The Cruze is expected to get 40-plus mpg.

• Cobalt: GM will stop building the Cobalt for retail sale in the first quarter of 2010 but is considering a fleet-only version for a brief period after that.

• Malibu: The restyled, re-engineered Malibu is scheduled for the 2013 model year. To boost fuel economy and reduce weight, the length and wheelbase will be trimmed. But the trunk will be larger to address a shortcoming in the current model.

• Impala: GM will redesign the Impala sedan for the 2014 model year on GM's new global, mid-sized fwd platform. The 2010 Buick LaCrosse was developed on the same platform. The next Impala is expected to have shorter front and rear overhangs; the weight reduction would boost fuel economy.

A Camaro convertible will be available as a 2012 model.

• Camaro: The 2010 Camaro landed in dealerships this spring. A convertible, originally intended as a 2011 model, was pushed back to the 2012 model year because of problems with the roof supplier and GM's cost constraints. Now that GM has some operating cash after emerging from bankruptcy, insiders say, it will try to pull the convertible back to the 2011 model year.

A Camaro freshening is expected for the 2014 or 2015 model year.

• Corvette: Production of the next-generation Corvette, internally called C7, is expected to start in April 2012 for the 2013 model year. The front-engine layout will be maintained.

• Volt: GM's plug-in hybrid is on target for a November 2010 launch. GM plans to build only 200 to 400 cars in November and December 2010, as 2011 models. The production target for 2011 is about 10,000 Volts. A price approaching $45,000 is estimated.

A plug-in hybrid can charge its battery from the power grid, reducing the need for gasoline.

The Volt will share a fwd vehicle platform with the Chevrolet Cruze and Orlando and other GM vehicles.

• HHR: GM will discontinue the retro-styled wagon at the end of the 2011 model year.

The 2012 Orlando will be powered by a four-cylinder engine.

• Orlando: The 2012 Orlando is a small, seven-passenger crossover developed on the same platform as the Chevrolet Cruze. The Orlando will be powered by a four-cylinder engine and priced less than the Equinox.

• Equinox: The Equinox was restyled and re-engineered for the 2010 model year. Sales began in June. The previous generation offered only a V-6 engine, but the redesigned Equinox comes with a 2.4-liter, direct-injection, four-cylinder engine. The V-6 is optional. GM is counting on the more fuel-efficient engine to be a key selling point.

A freshening is expected for the 2013 model year.

• Traverse: No major changes are planned for the 2010-12 model years.

• Tahoe, Suburban: The full-sized SUVs were scheduled to be restyled and re-engineered for the 2012 model year. But GM put its full-sized SUV and pickup plans on hold when gasoline prices soared in the summer of 2008 and light-truck sales plummeted. Since then, the higher corporate average fuel economy regulations were announced, requiring an automaker's fleet average to be 35.5 mpg by 2016.

GM's plans for full-sized truck are expected to be made final in six to nine months. The next-generation trucks may appear in the 2013 or 2014 model year.

Several plans are being considered. The Tahoe may be dropped, or the next generation might be developed on the lighter fwd Lambda platform. The platform is used for the Chevrolet Traverse and three other crossovers.

The Suburban could survive sharing the Silverado platform because the SUV is used for a variety of commercial applications.

• Mid-sized pickup: A mid-sized, all-wheel-drive pickup developed on the fwd Lambda platform might replace the Avalanche. The vehicle would target Honda Ridgeline shoppers who need towing capacity but do not need a big body-on-frame truck. Timing has not been determined.

• Avalanche: The Avalanche will be killed by the 2013 model year because of poor sales, those familiar with GM's plans say. Through June, GM sold just 7,130 Avalanches, down 61.0 percent from 2008.

• Colorado: A global compact pickup platform is being developed by GM do Brasil. It is unclear whether GM will sell a pickup from that platform here as an import, will assemble it in North America or will abandon the compact pickup segment in the United States.

GM is closing the Shreveport, La., plant that assembles the Colorado and GMC Canyon pickups in 2012. Sales have been disappointing for both vehicles. The Colorado and Canyon redesigns originally had been expected for the 2012 model year.

• Silverado 1500: GM put its full-sized pickup and SUV plans on hold when gasoline prices soared in the summer of 2008. Later, the tougher CAFE regulations were announced. GM's full-sized truck plans are expected to be made final in six to nine months. The delay means the next-generation pickups likely will be pushed back to 2013.

• Silverado 2500, 3500: The re-engineered heavy-duty pickups have been pushed back from the 2011 model year to the 2012 model year or later. One issue is how "heavy duty" will be defined in the new CAFE regulations.

• Express: No significant changes are expected in the next three years.

Review delays new trucks for GMC

Here are GMC's plans for the 2010-12 model years.

• Subcompact crossover: GMC is considering a small subcompact fwd crossover. The vehicle would be positioned below the Terrain. Timing is uncertain.

• Terrain: GMC adds a compact fwd crossover for the 2010 model year. Exterior and interior styling distinguishes the Terrain from the 2010 Chevrolet Equinox, its sister vehicle. The Terrain has more standard equipment and a higher sticker price.

GMC will stress the 30-mpg-plus fuel economy of the base Terrain model, which has a 182-hp, 2.4-liter, four-cylinder engine.

The crossovers were developed on GM's Theta Premium platform.

• Acadia: The Acadia receives a freshening for the 2012 model year.

Yukon, Yukon XL: GM is expected to lock in its plan for full-sized trucks in six to nine months. One option: Drop the Yukon, on grounds that the more fuel-efficient V-6 Acadia fills the needs of most Yukon buyers. The Yukon XL might survive to support commercial applications for the big V-8 SUV.

• Canyon: A redesign had been penciled in for the 2012 model year. A global compact pickup platform is being developed by GM do Brasil, which could provide a U.S. model. But GM may drop a compact pickup because of poor sales.

The Canyon is built in Shreveport, La. GM is closing that plant in 2012.

• Sierra: The timing of the next-generation Sierra 1500 pickup has not been determined. The next-generation pickups likely will be pushed back to 2013.

• Sierra 2500, 3500: The re-engineered heavy-duty pickups have been pushed back from the 2011 model year to the 2012 model year or later.

• Savana: No major changes are planned for GM's full-sized van through the 2012 model year.

*** On that XTS, I think they meant to say Mercedez Benz S-Class. If the XTS was the same size as the Mercedes Benz E-Class, it would make it compete against the CTS which is in that same segment. The Mercedes Benz S-Class is about 205 inches long.

Edited by NINETY EIGHT REGENCY
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So the Impala will limp along for 5 more yrs without an update leaving service of W body's of 26 years :nono: . It's 1996 again GM gives up on full sized cars AGAIN. I did noticed that the new FWD MID sized global platform is going to be top dog, so goodbye American full size automobile you WILL be missed sorely.

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Impala until 2014?!?!?!? Good grief. Let's hope the G8 gets a Chevy treatment, leading to the Impala replacement coming early. Long-in-the-tooth doesn't even begin to describe a FWD sedan that wasn't competitive in 2000 when it debuted.

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I think GM has ratioinalized that the EPII Malibu will be big enough to service most people, and the bigger sedans will be the territory of Buick. The Impala is a wart, though, and I really hope something like the Commodore steps in to replace it.

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I think GM has ratioinalized that the EPII Malibu will be big enough to service most people, and the bigger sedans will be the territory of Buick. The Impala is a wart, though, and I really hope something like the Commodore steps in to replace it.

It also says that 'Bu gets smaller they will need a full oops I mean mid sized car to cram everyone into.

So as great as the Opel 'Bu is Americans really do need a real trunk? Global design for America has always either been a misstep or a flop. GMNA either needs to do their own development or supervise their contractors ie Opel , Daewoo, even Holden(lighter weight) much better

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I don't understand why they aren't growing the GMC brand.

it needs to be different from Chevrolet and offer the trucks that people still want/need.

GMC could be an opportunity or a relic. I hve a bad feeling that GM, in it's stupidity, will make it a relic.

Doesn't look like there is too much to be excited about. A bunch of under powered cars that I can't fit into.

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Thanks for this post, Ninety-Eight. :thumbsup:

My thoughts:

  • GM dropping the Colorado and Canyon because of poor sales? Maybe if they were good... because I've heard from a decent contingent of people who would buy a compact pickup if there were a good, updated one out. Domestic, that is.

  • A unibody Lambda pickup to target Ridgeline shoppers? Sorry, some markets just need to be left alone to die on their own. No sense wasting money to compete with a pile like that.

  • The next Aveo will be close to Cobalt size? That would put it in the same segment as the Cruze. But since it's only coming as a hatch, I don't expect that to be a problem. Actually a decent move, I think.

  • Moving the Tahoe to Lambda would be giving away its police business. Oh, and once again GM would have four Lambdas if that happened. Seriously, there will still be a retail market for people who need a fullsize SUV but not the extra length of the Suburban/Yukon XL.
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So the Impala will limp along for 5 more yrs without an update leaving service of W body's of 26 years :nono: . It's 1996 again GM gives up on full sized cars AGAIN. I did noticed that the new FWD MID sized global platform is going to be top dog, so goodbye American full size automobile you WILL be missed sorely.

I was kind of having the same reaction as I read through it too. I think they're going too far in the wrong direction worrying about CAFE. They need to at least have one or two full size rear drivers. You know with almost 100% certainty that Lexus, BMW and Mercedes are going to keep around their full size rear drive cars during this time. GM needs to have their own Caddy and perhaps Buick version (I mean, isn't that what Caddy and Buick were all about when GM had 50% of the market????). GM can do it - and probably do a good job at it too, but they must not see the money in it for some reason.

Oh well, at least GM fans that like RWD vehicles will have a rear drive Camaro and Cadillac CTS and "ATS" to consider. Oh yeah, and full size trucks.

<_<

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I would hope the XTS isn't the size of the E-class, that means it is the size of the Malibu and CTS. Although why are they worried about how narrow it is compared to the 7-series? It isn't going to compete with the 7-series.

And the Lucerne and DTS will be killed due to poor sales, only to be replaced by another land barge front driver, hmmm. I noticed they claimed a few models will get lighter, that I will believe when I see it. GM's cars have been adding weight like crazy lately.

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It is aimed at streamlining costs and platform sharing immediately to start recouping some costs. I look for deversification and more differentiation after the 2012 MY. Think about it... 3 years from start to finish for a ground up car where an existing platfrom is used. Don't get down or sad, it will be the same for the next year or two as old ideas and commitments cycle through.

If product isn't substantially better by MY13 count it as game over for GM.

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A lot could change in the coming weeks, let alone years. No sense in counting the nails in GM's coffin over this month's (week's?) product outlook for the coming years. The market will change, people inside GM will continue to push for & against models, and the plans will change again and again.

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That GM chart above? I do not know if you noticed, but there will not be any full-sized cars at GM by 2012-2014 time frame. The biggest Buick will be midsized. The biggest Chevrolet the Impala will have shorter over hangs. If Impala is 200 inches now, and you shorten the overhangs and put it on the same platform as the 2010 LaCrosse and the new LaCrosse is a 196.9 inches long and you shorten Malibu which is a 190 inches long, you will have nothing but midsized cars. The only one that might be fullized is the Cadillac XTS. It may be as big as a 1988 Cadillac Fleetwood Sixty Special which was 200 inches long or a 1991-1996 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight or a Buick Park Avenue which were 206 inches long.

Ford said they were going to reduce the front and rear overhangs on the new Taurus and Lincoln MKS in the redesigns. The new 2010 Taurus is 200 inches. The Lincoln MKS is 204 inches long. They are phasing out Lincoln Town Car and Grand Marquis and Crown Victoria in the 2011 time frame. Ford like GM will have nothing bigger than a midsized car.

I bet you anything that next Impala will not offer a bench seat either and that XTS won't either.

It seems we are reliving the downsized era again at GM. That 2010 LaCrosse is pretty much the same size as a 1985-1990 Buick Park Avenue or a 1986-1991 Buick LeSabre.

That means that Impala might be a big as a 1986-1991 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight at 196.1 inches long or as big as a 1987-1991 Pontiac Bonneville which was 198.7 inches long.

That new Opel Insignia based Regal? It is about the same size as a 1988 Buick Regal which was a 188 inches long. That Regal coupe and sedan were 188 inches long and with updates grew to 192-194 inches long. The GM front wheel drive A bodies that lived on forever until 1996 were a 188 inches long and grew to a 190 with updates.

The Cadillac CTS coupe? It is big as a 1986 Cadillac Eldorado. The E- bodies were a 187-188 inches long until their updates in 1989-1990.

They called the 1992-1999 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight and Pontiac Bonneville "premium midsized". They were 200 inches long, had great interior room and huge trunks.

There are some gaps in the line up too. There is no affordable six passenger fullsized car( front wheel drive or rear drive). No midsized personal luxury coupe or coupe, no affordable rear drive sedans or coupes( bigger than Camaro and Cadillac ATS or CTS).

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This plan is a huge steaming pile of suck.

+1

95% of it is a cure for insomnia. This particular tidbit caught my attention

• Silverado 2500, 3500: The re-engineered heavy-duty pickups have been pushed back from the 2011 model year to the 2012 model year or later. One issue is how "heavy duty" will be defined in the new CAFE regulations.

Um, "heavy duty" isn't defined by some bureaucracy. Its defined by the customers who require something that can do more the occasional Home Depot run. Unless the plan is to outlaw horse trailers, RVs, large boats, landscaping businesses, construction companies, masonry, etc. I don't think abandoning the HDs is a good idea.

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95% of it is a cure for insomnia. This particular tidbit caught my attention

Um, "heavy duty" isn't defined by some bureaucracy. Its defined by the customers who require something that can do more the occasional Home Depot run. Unless the plan is to outlaw horse trailers, RVs, large boats, landscaping businesses, construction companies, masonry, etc. I don't think abandoning the HDs is a good idea.

When defeatist and defensive mentality sets in no amount ideas or fundings are going to help. Ford updated its F series despite of gas being $4/gallon. GM has to have a congress-like 15 committee decision followed by veto on everything.

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That GM chart above? I do not know if you noticed, but there will not be any full-sized cars at GM by 2012-2014 time frame. The biggest Buick will be midsized. The biggest Chevrolet the Impala will have shorter over hangs. If Impala is 200 inches now, and you shorten the overhangs and put it on the same platform as the 2010 LaCrosse and the new LaCrosse is a 196.9 inches long and you shorten Malibu which is a 190 inches long, you will have nothing but midsized cars.

I bet you anything that next Impala will not offer a bench seat either and that XTS won't either.

There are some gaps in the line up too. There is no affordable six passenger fullsized car( front wheel drive or rear drive). No midsized personal luxury coupe or coupe, no affordable rear drive sedans or coupes( bigger than Camaro and Cadillac ATS or CTS).

The old midsize is the new full size. Midsize has become 190 inches long, and the 196-200 inch long is basically full size. The Genesis is 196 inches long and has more interior room than a 207 inch long DTS. Length for the sake of length is dumb, it just makes the car harder to park, adds weight, thus decreases fuel economy and handling.

Over 200 inch long cars, especially the front drive ones aren't selling, that is why GM is moving away from them, and trying to et models like the Carmy, 3-series, Civic, etc that sell in bunches. Front bench seats are so far out of style, they should be gone.

Camaro and CTS coupe, and ATS coupe gives them enough rear drive coupes. They will need a Cruze coupe for the lower end of the market. Big coupes like the Monte Carlo don't sell, Camry Solara is dead also.

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One thing I genuinely hope is that GMPPD is formed again and Cruze gets the SS DI 2.0 LNF. It is too good an engine to lay waste. Let it go with a car which has a worthy quality to support the worthy powertrain.

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An Epsilon 2 rival to the 7-series? Really?

GM could put a 536 hp twin turbo V12 and 8-speed transmission into an Epsilon II car with self closing doors and they are ready to go.

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I'm confused about a few things...

The Aveo is supposed to grow to about the size of where the Cobalt is now. Doesn't that mean it'll compete with the Corolla/Civic? The Cobalt was already a bit bigger than both. And the Cruze is going to be bigger?

And the Regal will be roughly the same size as a Malibu with only a 4-cyl engine, and cost thousands less than the LaCrosse? I see heavy Malibu overlap. Especially since you can get the Malibu in 4-cyl LTZ trim. I know, I know, the Regal will be "premium". Better be damn nice.

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I bet you anything that next Impala will not offer a bench seat either and that XTS won't either.

Well, why bother with a front bench seat if you can't fit an child seat between two adults. Overgrown/stretched midsized Ep2s are still narrow.

It seems we are reliving the downsized era again at GM. That 2010 LaCrosse is pretty much the same size as a 1985-1990 Buick Park Avenue or a 1986-1991 Buick LeSabre.

That means that Impala might be a big as a 1986-1991 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight at 196.1 inches long or as big as a 1987-1991 Pontiac Bonneville which was 198.7 inches long.

The Cadillac CTS coupe? It is big as a 1986 Cadillac Eldorado. The E- bodies were a 187-188 inches long until their updates in 1989-1990.

And it has been generally accepted that one of GM's huge failures was overestimating the gas shortages of the '70s and shrinking _way_ too many cars too much in the '80s. Then to combat this disaster, GM was stuck stretching platforms and applying band aids for a decade.

Since Americans are not shrinking, I see history repeating itself. IMHO, CAFE will force people out of SUVs and pickups back into cars... full sized cars like the Avalon, since GM will not have any competition there. IMHO, if CAFE goes too far, the public will respond by buying hybrids, diesel or electric or by forcing out the polititions forcing CAFE down our throats... not by driving exclusively tiny cars.

They called the 1992-1999 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight and Pontiac Bonneville "premium midsized". They were 200 inches long, had great interior room and huge trunks.

They are OK. As a '99 Bonneville owner, its the smallest car I feel comfortable in. I'm not sure I could live with a Grand Prix or G6, as I barely fit.

There are some gaps in the line up too. There is no affordable six passenger fullsized car( front wheel drive or rear drive). No midsized personal luxury coupe or coupe, no affordable rear drive sedans or coupes( bigger than Camaro and Cadillac ATS or CTS).

This is my biggest concern. GM got rid of everything interesting, so now it is three brands with various flavors of FWD biased sedan or CUV in small/medium/large... CTS and Camaro excepted.

Um, "heavy duty" isn't defined by some bureaucracy. Its defined by the customers who require something that can do more the occasional Home Depot run. Unless the plan is to outlaw horse trailers, RVs, large boats, landscaping businesses, construction companies, masonry, etc. I don't think abandoning the HDs is a good idea.

Yes and no. Not officially, it isn't... which is what I think the original poster meant. In an effort to satisfy CAFE, heavy duty isn't going to be quite as heavy duty in the future. Its just that horse trailers, RVs, large boats, landscaping biz, construction companies, masonry, etc. will have to pay more and get less... limiting HD to people who need it. In 2014, it will cost $300 a week to cut your grass. ;-)

As for the government, medium duty and heavy duty trucks (over 10,000lbs) will not have CAFE regs. So GM is killing the TopKick and Kodiak just in time for the next SUV craze. ;-)

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In 2014, it will cost $300 a week to cut your grass. ;-)

Auggh...my yard service charges $50/week now, and they do a crappy job..always breaking sprinkler heads and lights..

Rob

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Okay, beacuse no one else is going to say it-

This is the BEST GM can do with the little money they have. If you're hoping for cooler stuff, buy a Volt.

When PCS said he was worried, there is your reason why. :scratchchin:

This is actually better than what I heard.

Bottom line-it's not bad, but it's not great either.

Better hope their marketing is good.... :scratchchin:

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