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Don't get me wrong. I like the Bonneville also... I just would have heart failure putting tires on it.

Can I ask why or are you kidding?

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Can I ask why or are you kidding?

Cause I'm cheap, but I aim for the highest quality I can get for my money. Right now, that seems to be michelins.

$800 for a set for a Bonneville would give me heart failure.

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Sorry to hijack your thread here gm4life, but I need to ask advice on a tire brand:

MASTERCRAFT AVENGER TOURING LSR (H/V rated)

The repair facility next to my housing development is listed on Cooper Tires website as being an authorized Cooper Tire dealer, but in his e-mail reply to my request for a price on CS4 Touring H/V tires he told me he's no longer a Cooper seller. He said he could get the Mastercraft tires listed above, which are made by Cooper and are the equivilant to the CS4s.

daves87rs, since you're the 'Cooper Tire' guy, is that a good tire?? Would you buy it over the Cooper CS4 Touring tire? He's quoting me $129/tire, whereas the only other Cooper Tire seller is quoting me $173/tire on the CS4s (includes the mounting, balance, and tire disposal - which I don;t want). That is a big difference in price, and if they're the same or very similar tire, should I go with the Mastercraft?

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<- Not a fan of BFGs, btw. Had a set of Killer-Dry-Wet-Snows on the Bimmer, and treadlife was poor. I got them because one of the tires were flat, and I wanted a cheap pair of tires for the affected axle.

I had Bridgestones (Turanza LS-H) on the other axle with 50% tread left, and those tires outlasted the brand-new BFGs.

I've had nothing but good experiences with Bridgestone tires, btw, but they are pricey.

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Sorry to hijack your thread here gm4life, but I need to ask advice on a tire brand:

MASTERCRAFT AVENGER TOURING LSR (H/V rated)

The repair facility next to my housing development is listed on Cooper Tires website as being an authorized Cooper Tire dealer, but in his e-mail reply to my request for a price on CS4 Touring H/V tires he told me he's no longer a Cooper seller. He said he could get the Mastercraft tires listed above, which are made by Cooper and are the equivilant to the CS4s.

daves87rs, since you're the 'Cooper Tire' guy, is that a good tire?? Would you buy it over the Cooper CS4 Touring tire? He's quoting me $129/tire, whereas the only other Cooper Tire seller is quoting me $173/tire on the CS4s (includes the mounting, balance, and tire disposal - which I don;t want). That is a big difference in price, and if they're the same or very similar tire, should I go with the Mastercraft?

Quick Answer: Yes.

The Avengie's are just as good as the CS4s. With a very slight difference, they are pretty much brothers....and will offer the same ride.

As long as he's doesn't say the same thing about the Dean tires (another Cooper brand-not very sporty tires..).. you'll be fine.

Mastercraft falls just below Cooper in price, to offer a little more value. As Cooper tires are sold in many different places (Sears, for example), Mastercraft tires tend to stay with Cooper dealers.

I've considrered Mastercraft myself (I like the Mastercraft Synergys(sp?) ), and would not think twice about buying them. That's just my opinion, though.

I wouldn't worry about the price difference, I think he's quoting you high on the CS4s anyways......

You should check out Mastercraft's website, it looks a lot like Cooper's.... :AH-HA_wink:

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Yes and the price on the BFG's is from Sams.

Thanks for the wear out quick comment, quicker than say 35,000 or 40,000 miles?

Depends on how you drive.

City driving is a quick killer of those tires....

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With TireRack mentioned here I was wondering if anyone has used them. When shopping for tires I considered them but even looking at the listed local companies that install for them and asking about it I was told if you have a problem with a tire warranty the tire has to be sent back to them and they decide if it is covered by warranty them ship a replacement tire. This could leave you riding on the spare for a while or buying a tire locally then having an unused tire sitting around. Granted this could be a con to sell their tire locally and keep a person from using Tirerack.

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Quick Answer: Yes.

The Avengie's are just as good as the CS4s. With a very slight difference, they are pretty much brothers....and will offer the same ride.

As long as he's doesn't say the same thing about the Dean tires (another Cooper brand-not very sporty tires..).. you'll be fine.

Mastercraft falls just below Cooper in price, to offer a little more value. As Cooper tires are sold in many different places (Sears, for example), Mastercraft tires tend to stay with Cooper dealers.

I've considrered Mastercraft myself (I like the Mastercraft Synergys(sp?) ), and would not think twice about buying them. That's just my opinion, though.

I wouldn't worry about the price difference, I think he's quoting you high on the CS4s anyways......

You should check out Mastercraft's website, it looks a lot like Cooper's.... :AH-HA_wink:

Yeah, I noticed Mastercrafts website being similar to Cooper's. Figured they had more in common than what I knew.

I think I'm going to go with the Mastercraft Avenger LSR Touring tires for the G6. This morning I received an e-mailed price quote of $867 for the Goodyear Assurance Tripletred tires :mind-blowing: That's just crazy!! I put out a couple of e-mails yesterday to other tire retailers around me asking for Cooper CS4 Touring tires, but have yet to hear back from them (I'm assuming they don't stock them). I will ask one more vendor for a price quote on the Mastercraft tires, just to see if they're charging any less than the repair place near my house. The Sears auto center by me does not carry the Mastercraft brand, so I can't go there.

Thanks for the advice and input, I feel more comfortable going with this brand knowing that someone else out there in the real world has experience and knowledge of these tires.

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With TireRack mentioned here I was wondering if anyone has used them. When shopping for tires I considered them but even looking at the listed local companies that install for them and asking about it I was told if you have a problem with a tire warranty the tire has to be sent back to them and they decide if it is covered by warranty them ship a replacement tire. This could leave you riding on the spare for a while or buying a tire locally then having an unused tire sitting around. Granted this could be a con to sell their tire locally and keep a person from using Tirerack.

I've bought many set of tires from Tirerack and I've been very happy with them. I've never had to warranty out a tire through them so I can't answer you there.

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Yeah, I noticed Mastercrafts website being similar to Cooper's. Figured they had more in common than what I knew.

I think I'm going to go with the Mastercraft Avenger LSR Touring tires for the G6. This morning I received an e-mailed price quote of $867 for the Goodyear Assurance Tripletred tires :mind-blowing: That's just crazy!! I put out a couple of e-mails yesterday to other tire retailers around me asking for Cooper CS4 Touring tires, but have yet to hear back from them (I'm assuming they don't stock them). I will ask one more vendor for a price quote on the Mastercraft tires, just to see if they're charging any less than the repair place near my house. The Sears auto center by me does not carry the Mastercraft brand, so I can't go there.

Thanks for the advice and input, I feel more comfortable going with this brand knowing that someone else out there in the real world has experience and knowledge of these tires.

Not a problem. :cheers:

If you have more questions, feel to to ask....

I think you'll like the Avengers.....

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With TireRack mentioned here I was wondering if anyone has used them. When shopping for tires I considered them but even looking at the listed local companies that install for them and asking about it I was told if you have a problem with a tire warranty the tire has to be sent back to them and they decide if it is covered by warranty them ship a replacement tire. This could leave you riding on the spare for a while or buying a tire locally then having an unused tire sitting around. Granted this could be a con to sell their tire locally and keep a person from using Tirerack.

Wal Mart is good about installing tires...you could take em there.

And as far as replacements go, I've seen them ship tires first (helps to send a pic), and then ask for the tire back.

If I get the T/As, I plan on using TR.....

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At least TireRack is used by at least a couple people. Their tires are all at good prices and there were several places locally listed as recommended installer in my area. I would prefer to use real tire stores since one service I like to get along with the lifetime balance and rotate is the lifetime or multi-year alignments.

I have never had a tire needing a replacement under warranty but I always get the road hazard protection. I think I have only had one flat in the last 20 years. But we never know what misfortunes might happen the next day.

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At least TireRack is used by at least a couple people. Their tires are all at good prices and there were several places locally listed as recommended installer in my area. I would prefer to use real tire stores since one service I like to get along with the lifetime balance and rotate is the lifetime or multi-year alignments.

I have never had a tire needing a replacement under warranty but I always get the road hazard protection. I think I have only had one flat in the last 20 years. But we never know what misfortunes might happen the next day.

Walmart does lifetime balance and rotation also.

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i have ordered tires on tire rack but discount tire is truly the way to go.

Depends if they price match....though he usually do...

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Walmart does lifetime balance and rotation also.

Just about any place will do the lifetime balance and rotation. The expensive part is the alignments which are needed to get the most life out of a set of tires. Most alignments run about $60 to $70 each time. I usually get the lifetime or 5 year alignments for anywhere between $140 to $180. Then this allows an alignment at the same time as the balance and rotate so about every 5-6000 miles.

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I went with Pirelli P Zero Nero All Season High Performance Tires. I ordered them Online with free delivery to my house, I also got a $40 mail in rebate on them. Bringing the cost from $424 down to $384, I am going to throw them in the car and drive them down to my dealer to have them put on for $60 plus the twelve bucks for the valve stems. After getting some quotes from local places and hearing quotes of 550...600...even 700 I decided on the Pirelli's.

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Good luck on the Pirelli's, Sir.

Saw a beautiful bonneville in traffic tonight...it was a non GM color, kind of a modernish grey similar to the color that was on Elanor (the mustang) in Gone in 60 Seconds. Running an aftermarket alloy wheel that really fit the car...lowered slightly.

Looked HOT! Thought of you and your Bonnie when I saw it.

Chris

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I went with Pirelli P Zero Nero All Season High Performance Tires. I ordered them Online with free delivery to my house, I also got a $40 mail in rebate on them. Bringing the cost from $424 down to $384, I am going to throw them in the car and drive them down to my dealer to have them put on for $60 plus the twelve bucks for the valve stems. After getting some quotes from local places and hearing quotes of 550...600...even 700 I decided on the Pirelli's.

I don't believe that you can go wrong with the Neros (or Neroes as the case may be). I bought a set for the Seville back in June and found them to be stellar performers especially when caught in some of those thundershowers which were prevalent for the first half of the Summer. Very quiet on the road at speed and having excellent lateral grip as well. Best wishes with your vehicle.

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I don't believe that you can go wrong with the Neros (or Neroes as the case may be). I bought a set for the Seville back in June and found them to be stellar performers especially when caught in some of those thundershowers which were prevalent for the first half of the Summer. Very quiet on the road at speed and having excellent lateral grip as well. Best wishes with your vehicle.

Hey, thanks glad to hear you like them. I just hope they are okay in the snow, not that my SLE see's alot of that anyways. :AH-HA_wink:

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Good luck on the Pirelli's, Sir.

Saw a beautiful bonneville in traffic tonight...it was a non GM color, kind of a modernish grey similar to the color that was on Elanor (the mustang) in Gone in 60 Seconds. Running an aftermarket alloy wheel that really fit the car...lowered slightly.

Looked HOT! Thought of you and your Bonnie when I saw it.

Chris

Thanks for the best wishes. That color was called Graystone Metallic only made in 2 years 2004 and 2005. Looks amazing on the GXP's and SLE's with the big wheels. Do you know what trim it was? Or year? Did it have the OnStar antenna mounted on the roof?

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Didn't get a good look at the roof...but that car in that color was just AMAZING.

Don't usually even like "family" type cars but that one dropped my jaw. I'll have to do some internet research to see other cars in that color.

Chris

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Didn't get a good look at the roof...but that car in that color was just AMAZING.

Don't usually even like "family" type cars but that one dropped my jaw. I'll have to do some internet research to see other cars in that color.

Chris

Was this the color and style Bonneville you saw?

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A co-worker of mine bought a new '05 Bonneville GXP as a retirement gift for himself, though he hasn't retired yet! It's in that gray above, and IMHO, that's the best looking color for the GXPs. I get to see it everyday.

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Good luck with them! :thumbsup:

Just remember, rotate those puppies every 6k!

Hey thanks, I certainly hope so...

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