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Report: Honda CR-Z With Turbocharged Four-Banger Planned

By Viknesh Vijayenthiran

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December 6th, 2010

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Honda CR-Z Mugen conceptEnlarge PhotoThe Honda CR-Z currently has a sole powertrain option, a finicky hybrid system consisting of a 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine mated to the automaker’s Integrated Motor Assist (IMA). The setup is good for 122 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 128 pound-feet of torque from 1,000-1,500 rpm, figures hardly worth mentioning.

And if you were thinking the car has stellar fuel economy because it’s a hybrid, think again. The CR-Z returns 36/38 mpg city/highway for the CVT-equipped model and 31/37 for the manual-equipped version--numbers that numerous small cars can match these days.

Not surprisingly, there are reports claiming Honda is looking at expanding the appeal of its CR-Z by launching a new gas-only turbocharged model. A new engine is reportedly being developed at the automaker’ Tochigi R&D center in Japan and could be in production as early as the end of next year.

The unit is said to be a 1.6-liter four-cylinder unit, which thanks to turbocharging technology, has the pulling power of a 2.0-liter mill. There’s expected to be two different versions: a standard version with 160 horsepower on tap and a high-performance unit with 200 horsepower. This latter unit will likely be reserved for a new CR-Z Type R model.

Interestingly, at last month’s SEMA show, Honda showed off a turbocharged concept version of the regular CR-Z hybrid hatch that was developed by its official in-house tuner Mugen.

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http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1052196_report-honda-cr-z-with-turbocharged-four-banger-planned

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Rumormill: Honda planning turbocharged, non-hybrid CR-Z

by Steven J. Ewing (RSS feed) on Dec 6th 2010 at 9:26AM

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As much as Honda wants us to believe that its CR-Z hatchback is some sort of "sport hybrid," the truth is that it doesn't exactly live up to our expectations. It's a decent steer, but it's not exactly a sports car, and its meager fuel efficiency is easily bested by the majority of non-hybrid B-segment offerings. According to a report from Autocar, however, Honda is rumored to be working on a CR-Z that ditches its conventional hybrid powertrain in favor of a small-displacement, turbocharged mill.

The proposed new engine is an all-new 1.6-liter unit that will produce around 160 horsepower. Autocar states that a higher-output CR-Z Type R may follow shortly thereafter, rumored to produce around 200 hp. This new powerplant is reportedly slated for use in the Honda Jazz (Fit), Civic and Accord, and could provide the basis for the next-generation Civic Si engine.

We saw a preview of Honda's hot hatch intentions at this year's SEMA show in the form of the CR-Z Hybrid R concept. That show car featured a turbocharged version of the Honda's current 1.5-liter engine, but it shows that Honda is indeed serious about reworking the CR-Z's sporting image.

Sales of the hybrid CR-Z have started to fade in Honda's home market, despite the hatch being named the Japanese Car of the Year. Honda hopes that a turbocharged CR-Z would broaden the vehicle's appeal in other key markets, as well, such as the United States and Europe.

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http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/06/rumormill-honda-planning-turbocharged-non-hybrid-cr-z/

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anyone need more evidence that Honda is just throwing darts at the dartboard in the dark?

This is just a rumor, and probably isn't true. I don't see any reason for Honda to develop an entirely new engine line when they have a number of N/A engines that would work wonders in the CR-Z.

Edit: Removing more credibility from this rumor is the thought that Honda would need a turbocharged 1.6 liter to make 160 HP, when they've been pumping out 100hp/liter N/A engines for decades now.

you know, they do need that turbo in this car. it's a decent car i think. but man, i think i need some rice to go with my sweet and sour chicken.

You probably shouldn't base your opinion of the exterior design on a couple of show cars at SEMA, which have nothing to do with any new factory CR-Z and are just there for eye candy because the autoblogs have nothing else to show.

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WTH? At first I thought it was a strange camera angle... but it looks like this stupid thing has WAY bigger wheels on the front than the rear...

It's the camera angle. The only FWD cars that would do that would be drag-racers. Just to reiterate, the pictures shown are from SEMA and do not depict the rumored 1.6 turbo CR-Z. If this rumor turns out to be true, expect a minor aero kit and 1" larger wheels compared to the current CR-Z, but nothing that drastic.

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Taking the body kit and stickers off doesn't really help the CR-Z's looks. A tarp might.

It's not that bad looking, compared to Honda's other monstrosities like the Crosstour, but it's no looker.

Why Honda didn't stick a decent engine in this thing in the first place is beyond me. As a hybrid it's pretty poor and as a sporty car it's pretty middle of the road with no power. They should just drop the hybrid nonsense, lighten the car, and add a real engine.

A lighter car with a rev happy 175 hp engine could be a lot of fun, and would be closer in spirit to the original CRX.

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Report: Honda Readying Engine for Possible CR-Z Si or Type R

Automaker said to be working on turbocharged 1.6-liter engine that could power several models.

by Bryan Laviolette on Dec.07, 2010

Could the 2011 Honda CR-Z Hybrid R Concept suggest what a Honda CR-Z Si or Type R might look like?

Fans of the beloved old Honda CRX Si may finally get what they want in its spiritual successor, the CR-Z.

The CR-Z has the look of a third-generation Honda CRX, xx years after Honda stopped selling it.

Now, Autocar, a British auto enthusiast publication is saying that Honda is working on a new powertrain that trades the current car’s hybrid powertrain for a turbocharged engine. How does a CR-Z Si sound? Or even a CR-Z Type R.

Autocar says its sources in Japan say Honda is working on a new turbocharged 1.6-liter four cylinder aimed at replacing the 2.0-liter from the defunct Civic Type R.

Click here to read Autocar’s report.

Sources have told Autocar that Honda is working on a turbocharged 1.6-liter four cylinder that could power CR-Z Si and Type R models.

Honda is reportedly developing two versions of the engine producing 160 and 200 horsepower.

Honda actually showed the CR-Z Type R Concept, a de-hybridized version of the CR-Z at SEMA in 2010. That car used a turbo version of the 1.5-liter four in the production CR-Z. The concept, which used an upgraded hybrid sytem, along with the turbo, produced 200 horsepower.

Besides serving as a high-performance option for the CR-Z, the new engine will also help Honda downsize its engine lineup for other vehicles, a strategy several automakers are using to meet more stringent fuel economy restrictions.

The production CR-Z is powered by a 112-horsepower version of the 1.5 combined with a 14-horsepower electric motor.

While many Honda enthusiasts have been enamored by the style and handling of the two-seater, acceleration can only be described as tepid.

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http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2010/12/report-honda-readying-engine-for-possible-cr-z-si-or-type-r/

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Taking the body kit and stickers off doesn't really help the CR-Z's looks. A tarp might.

It's not that bad looking, compared to Honda's other monstrosities like the Crosstour, but it's no looker.

Have you seen it in person yet? I'm surprised how anyone could dislike it other than people who simply don't like small cars. I think it can look awkward in photos and at some angles, but it is a very handsome, sporty, and dynamic-looking vehicle. Definitely the best design at Honda since the Accord coupe.

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This is just a rumor, and probably isn't true. I don't see any reason for Honda to develop an entirely new engine line when they have a number of N/A engines that would work wonders in the CR-Z.

Edit: Removing more credibility from this rumor is the thought that Honda would need a turbocharged 1.6 liter to make 160 HP, when they've been pumping out 100hp/liter N/A engines for decades now.

You probably shouldn't base your opinion of the exterior design on a couple of show cars at SEMA, which have nothing to do with any new factory CR-Z and are just there for eye candy because the autoblogs have nothing else to show.

even consumer reports says its a pile of dung on the road.

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even consumer reports says its a pile of dung on the road.

Is that what they said? They probably said it about the CRX too.

Who cares? Everybody picks on Honda for being too timid, then when they try something cool and different (which happens to also be a great car, but with limited usability and some flaws) they again get chastised.

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It's not particularly good as a fuel miser even though it's a hybrid. It doesn't have particularly good handling, especially for it's size. It doesn't have a particularly good ride. The interior isn't something I'd write home to mother about.

It's a self proclaimed sports car that is 1 second ahead of of a 5-speed Aveo in the 0-60... unless the battery is depleted, then the Aveo would win. 0-60 in 9.7 seconds? A 4-cylinder Lacrosse can do 0-60 in 9.1 seconds, when eAssist joins the game, that speed will improve. Oh, BTW, the Lacrosse eAssist can to 37mpg highway just like the CR-Z.

It sets no styling direction that should be emulated... by anyone.... anywhere.

But maybe I missed something.... The CR-Z is a great car.... how?

My biggest impression with the CR-Z was simply that you could get a hybrid with a manual trans. Pretty sure that's never been offered in any other vehicle.

besides the Civic?

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