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2012 Buick Verano Official Release

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car and driver's test of the Malibu 4 cyl six speed auto rendered a 0-60 of 8.6 seconds with a curb weight of 3524 pounds.

If we assume the Vernino will weigh 3300 pounds and do the math with merely a weight adjustment, then it amounts to an 8.05 second 0-60 time which I guess would indeed correspond with GM's advised time.

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Really? I thought they did, they certainly did on the Lucerne. So what are they, just chrome add on these days with no significance at all?

They were originally to denote the upper series from the lower series.

Loads of V8-only LeSabres had 6 VPs, VPs never changed when the Skylark or Apollo or Park Avenue had both 6s and 8s. There are more examples.

They're stylized air extractors; who ever told you they were supposed to 'stand for' something in a numerical sense ? :huh:

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I think this car will do fine if priced correctly.

Specifically, it would be great in Canada.

I know many people who bought a CSX (and before the CSX the Acura EL which resembled a Civic even more closely than the CSX does)

just because they wanted something "better" than the civic, even if it really doesn't offer much more; where this car really does offer more than the Cruze.

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They're stylized air extractors; who ever told you they were supposed to 'stand for' something in a numerical sense ? :huh:

Balthazar, Buick did what DF is describing on the Lucerne. Three per side meant you bought the creaky old 3800 and four per side meant you were doing it right and bought the Northstar V8.

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Balthazar, Buick did what DF is describing on the Lucerne. Three per side meant you bought the creaky old 3800 and four per side meant you were doing it right and bought the Northstar V8.

Right, and doing it that way gave them some purpose besides being factory installed chrome stick-ons. They certainly don't extract air these days.

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Astra for comparison

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hey! no plood! bolstered seats!

C/D or one of the web sites says the wood in the Verano is REAL.

if it's real why does it look so godawful heinous.

I'm really not seeing what your comparing here they look like the same bolstering with knee support on the Buick

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um no just look they are different.

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Reg, would it kill you to wait to see the wood in person? And it kind-of reminds me of the tortoise shell accents in previous Chryslers.

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And spoilers don't provide any downforce, either; they're just glued-on edges.

I acknowledge the Lucerne/Lucerne Super 6/8 VentiPorts scenario, but unless Buick specifically stated that they equated to cylinder count, we're still assuming that's the 'definition'.

Most upgrade models add 'more'- look at the M3, what are all those bulges & gills- they don't 'stand for' anything either- just gingerbread. Same thing.

From 1 picture, I'm intriqued by the tortoise shell look of the Verano inserts, they're unique for sure, but would have to see them in person.

Wood in modern cars is all a big joke anyway- none of it looks real because it's molded in impossible shapes and it all feels exactly like plastic. If there's zero tactile association, it might as well all BE plastic.

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And spoilers don't provide any downforce, either; they're just glued-on edges.

I acknowledge the Lucerne/Lucerne Super 6/8 VentiPorts scenario, but unless Buick specifically stated that they equated to cylinder count, we're still assuming that's the 'definition'.

Most upgrade models add 'more'- look at the M3, what are all those bulges & gills- they don't 'stand for' anything either- just gingerbread. Same thing.

From 1 picture, I'm intriqued by the tortoise shell look of the Verano inserts, they're unique for sure, but would have to see them in person.

Wood in modern cars is all a big joke anyway- none of it looks real because it's molded in impossible shapes and it all feels exactly like plastic. If there's zero tactile association, it might as well all BE plastic.

I would say the definition Buick originally set up for the Lucerne (then the LaCrosse Super), with the 6/8 ventiports has been gone since EVERY MANUFACTURER has tacked on airholes, including GM, and it's essentially lost all meaning. Hell, I've seen the 3 ventiports you find on a 2005 Park Avenue Ultra, on a Camry with those cloth roofs (whatever they're called).

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Reg, would it kill you to wait to see the wood in person? And it kind-of reminds me of the tortoise shell accents in previous Chryslers.

Yes, I'm replying to my own. It also reminds me of the RL's wood before the refresh.

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A3 = Wagon only...not a competitor for the verano

A4 = Sedan should be the listed competitor, and it has sufficiant rear seat leg room, and a real life 32 mpg highway

As usual with GM Badge engineering you can get the Cruz (I think the same platform) for less money.

Can GM's history of terrible start up quality issues be a thing of the past? I hope so for Buick.

I like the interior one of the better looking one's in their fleet (at least the pictures look good).

Wrong engine, should be the 2.0 turbo, offer a low boost one for MPG and a high boost one for the GN/S version.

Glad to see Buick get a full range of vehicles. Will they get a version of the Equinox?

Time will tell about the quality issues that have plagued GM's SOP vehicles are behind them.

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And spoilers don't provide any downforce, either; they're just glued-on edges.

I acknowledge the Lucerne/Lucerne Super 6/8 VentiPorts scenario, but unless Buick specifically stated that they equated to cylinder count, we're still assuming that's the 'definition'.

Most upgrade models add 'more'- look at the M3, what are all those bulges & gills- they don't 'stand for' anything either- just gingerbread. Same thing.

From 1 picture, I'm intriqued by the tortoise shell look of the Verano inserts, they're unique for sure, but would have to see them in person.

Wood in modern cars is all a big joke anyway- none of it looks real because it's molded in impossible shapes and it all feels exactly like plastic. If there's zero tactile association, it might as well all BE plastic.

Well I can't get a direct quote from GM, but this is from wikipedia's page on Buick:

After the Park Avenue was discontinued, Buick salvaged the portholes to appear on the new-for-2006 Lucerne. In a break with tradition, the Lucerne's portholes refer directly to engine configuration: V6 models have three on each side, while V8s have four on each side.

So we were both right in a way. You're right the traditionally they didn't stand for cylinder count, but I'm right that they did on the Lucerne, as well as the LaCrosse (supers, with the V8, has 8 portholes while the V6's had 6).

At any rate, I like this approach and wish Buick would continue it.

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Reg, would it kill you to wait to see the wood in person? And it kind-of reminds me of the tortoise shell accents in previous Chryslers.

yeah its that sort of wood design I do not care for most of the time but certainly I am more than happy to rewrite what i think of it if it turns out ok. GM's photography is not helping here. The recent caddy's IMO have had some pretty good wood, but its because it doesn't look like leopard print like this stuff does. Audis and Volvos and some higher end bimmers with the low sheen inoffensive grain on them. On multiple websites on comments regarding this Verano announcement I am seeing plenty of discord on the wood, I am most certainly not alone in the level of reaction to the wood.

things like furniture and stuff, I don't care for massive detail like burl walnut or stuff like that. They don't put maple and cherry in cars but stuff like that appeals to me. Subtle grain, not so much color variation. Nice simple grain.

Things like knotty pine set me off. I hate the stupid little knots in the pine.

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Well I can't get a direct quote from GM, but this is from wikipedia's page on Buick:

So we were both right in a way. You're right the traditionally they didn't stand for cylinder count, but I'm right that they did on the Lucerne, as well as the LaCrosse (supers, with the V8, has 8 portholes while the V6's had 6).

At any rate, I like this approach and wish Buick would continue it.

Oh come on; who are you going to trust on this one; me or wikipedia ? ;)

Regardless, I still don't see where Buick stated they equated to cylinder count- the claim certainly could still be assumption on the part of the writer.... but I haven't poured over every Lucerne press release, either. Buick may have decided to dumb it down for the masses and make it DUH-simple.

I prefer that the VentiPorts don't go so obviously simplistic.... but asking for high(er) concepts from the general public generally doesn't get much traction. It's not a big deal either way.

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Hopefully the bolstered seats and the black with aluminum (or fake aluminum, whatever it is) as seen on the Astra is available on the Verano. That color combination (and the seats) would be much more attractive to your typical entry level Acura/Audi buyer, IMO.

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For what it's worth, I've come to the conclusion that the Cruze is the better-looking of these two cars. The newest pics of the Cruze in the gallery here convinced me - it is a cleaner design.

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yeah its that sort of wood design I do not care for most of the time but certainly I am more than happy to rewrite what i think of it if it turns out ok. GM's photography is not helping here. The recent caddy's IMO have had some pretty good wood, but its because it doesn't look like leopard print like this stuff does. Audis and Volvos and some higher end bimmers with the low sheen inoffensive grain on them. On multiple websites on comments regarding this Verano announcement I am seeing plenty of discord on the wood, I am most certainly not alone in the level of reaction to the wood.

things like furniture and stuff, I don't care for massive detail like burl walnut or stuff like that. They don't put maple and cherry in cars but stuff like that appeals to me. Subtle grain, not so much color variation. Nice simple grain.

Things like knotty pine set me off. I hate the stupid little knots in the pine.

That was another point I was going to bring up... it's GM's photography which we've seen in many instances in the past tends not to capture the real beauty of its vehicles.

I agree with you to a degree on knots... I don't like knots or burl in a car's interior... it doesn't look right. On actual wood furniture, a knot can be a thing of beauty in my eyes... but over a large expanse of space which wood in a car never seems to have.

I say, see it in person before knocking it... only because you may be pleasantly surprised. I thought the plood/interior in the 07-09 LaCrosse was horrendous, but when I saw it in person, it actually looked like a very warm, inviting interior--it completely shocked me. It looked MUCH more upscale than in photos... and what shocked me most is that it was on a dated design.

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The Plood they put in the 08-11 DTS was really nice, it was a browny woodgrain, I think it was simulated Bubango wood. I wish they put that wood in the cars for real, it was a really nice contrast to the light linen interior (my favorite color).

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The Plood they put in the 08-11 DTS was really nice, it was a browny woodgrain, I think it was simulated Bubango wood. I wish they put that wood in the cars for real, it was a really nice contrast to the light linen interior (my favorite color).

I agree... I've heard nothing but excellent comments in reviews about the plood in the new LaCrosse... they claimed they had to study it carefully to discover it wasn't real. I always wondered why they couldn't mimic real wood in cars... just don't make it form crazy shapes real wood couldn't conform to, and give it a nice grain/detail.

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I don't understand why they couldn't use the Olive Ash or the wood they use in the Platinums for all Cadillacs... at the price you pay, I don't think you should be getting plood. Yes, I'm aware that in previous Cadillacs they used real wood and switched to plood based on reviews calling it fake-looking, but there are so many rich and beautiful woods and grain-styles out there, they could really spice up a dull interior with the correct choice. I'd also like to see different materials used--there are so many creative ways to decorate, why aren't they showing up anywhere even in our most-luxurious cars?

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Once a Cruze is optioned up and crests the $21k I'd choose the Verano without much more thought.

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