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Chevrolet Goes ECO Over The 2013 Malibu

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The outgoing LTZ has LED tail lamps that use pinpoints similar to the 2013 version

Okay...but what does that have to do with questioning the use of incandescents on an ECO model? I'm not even going into the "introducing unnecessary assembly complexity" yet...

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Wholesale gas prices spiked today. Most of the country will be over $4.25 a gallon in 3 to 4 weeks.... likely all of the country by July 4th.

All that needs to happen is to have the news stories continue about these gas prices.... "and next up, Chevy releases a new mid-size car that they claim can beat the Toyota and Ford hybrid fuel economy"

it was 3.50 at a couple places around here yesterday.think it was still today.

edit: evidently you're wrong olds.... :P lol

http://www.csnews.com/top-story-gulf_ceo_talks_oil_prices_with_cnbc-58539.html

The price of oil is likely nearing a top and will fall beneath $100 a barrel by July 4, Gulf Oil CEO Joe Petrowski told CNBC this morning.

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Personally I prefer the look of the LED units, these looks plain.

Objectively speaking, I'm a little puzzled why they don't use LEDs on an ECO model. LEDs use less energy...more ECOnomical.

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Personally I prefer the look of the LED units, these looks plain.

Objectively speaking, I'm a little puzzled why they don't use LEDs on an ECO model. LEDs use less energy...more ECOnomical.

Regular lighting is cheaper and lighter weight? That could explain the ECO angle...or maybe it's just they wanted the ECO to look different..

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Uses more electrical energy, on a car that's supposed to be as frugal as possible you'd think they'd use the more energy efficient lighting system.

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I'd guess the battery used to power the accessories and the battery used to help propel the car are on different circuits. More likely, the non-LED taillamps on the ECO are for cost savings to keep the surcharge for the ECO over the non-ECO Malibu to a minumum.

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Sleazy trick they're pulling, bringing the "Eco" model to market first, to try to force the e-assist crap on people who otherwise want to be first on their block with a new style Malibu. BOOOOOOOOOOOOO, Chevrolet.

Or maybe it is coming out first to drum up positive press and publicity. Nobody is being forced into anything; if someone doesn't like it, they can wait a couple months or buy a different car. GM wouldn't release the ECO model first if they knew it would cost them sales in the long run... maybe there are actually people who WANT this sort of vehicle.

My thoughts exactly.

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Wholesale gas prices spiked today. Most of the country will be over $4.25 a gallon in 3 to 4 weeks.... likely all of the country by July 4th.

All that needs to happen is to have the news stories continue about these gas prices.... "and next up, Chevy releases a new mid-size car that they claim can beat the Toyota and Ford hybrid fuel economy"

it was 3.50 at a couple places around here yesterday.think it was still today.

edit: evidently you're wrong olds.... :P lol

http://www.csnews.co...cnbc-58539.html

The price of oil is likely nearing a top and will fall beneath $100 a barrel by July 4, Gulf Oil CEO Joe Petrowski told CNBC this morning.

Nope, olds is right on this. Demand means nothing.(only look at the huge loss for Japan for that)

The rapidly falling value of our dollar will keep gas prices up there.

If by chance it really does start falling again-look out.....

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I don't believe your excuse for this. Sorry. To me, it is clearly an attempt to force people into something.

That only counts if it's based on price. (i.e-like the top model)

If the price is still down there (ie affordable), then that is fine for now.

They might not need the other engine......

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Nope, olds is right on this. Demand means nothing.(only look at the huge loss for Japan for that)

The rapidly falling value of our dollar will keep gas prices up there.

If by chance it really does start falling again-look out.....

dave i was being sarcastic.. sorry, to waste time. :(

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As far as the LED taillights go, do we know for sure that the ridiculous ECO is the only model NOT to get them? Perhaps it is only the top LTZ trim that gets them.

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Perhaps if there's an LTZ with the eco drivetrain one would get LED tail lights?

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Wholesale gas prices spiked today. Most of the country will be over $4.25 a gallon in 3 to 4 weeks.... likely all of the country by July 4th.

All that needs to happen is to have the news stories continue about these gas prices.... "and next up, Chevy releases a new mid-size car that they claim can beat the Toyota and Ford hybrid fuel economy"

it was 3.50 at a couple places around here yesterday.think it was still today.

edit: evidently you're wrong olds.... :P lol

http://www.csnews.co...cnbc-58539.html

The price of oil is likely nearing a top and will fall beneath $100 a barrel by July 4, Gulf Oil CEO Joe Petrowski told CNBC this morning.

Nope, olds is right on this. Demand means nothing.(only look at the huge loss for Japan for that)

The rapidly falling value of our dollar will keep gas prices up there.

If by chance it really does start falling again-look out.....

The gas wholesale price issue is really easy to fix. Stop allowing Banks and other investors to speculate on oil as a commodity. Only allow people who have a direct interest in the commodity speculate on it.

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Nope, olds is right on this. Demand means nothing.(only look at the huge loss for Japan for that)

The rapidly falling value of our dollar will keep gas prices up there.

If by chance it really does start falling again-look out.....

dave i was being sarcastic.. sorry, to waste time. :(

Oh-Sorry! sad.gif

I've been in so many gas debates lately I didn't even notice! My bad!

Wholesale gas prices spiked today. Most of the country will be over $4.25 a gallon in 3 to 4 weeks.... likely all of the country by July 4th.

All that needs to happen is to have the news stories continue about these gas prices.... "and next up, Chevy releases a new mid-size car that they claim can beat the Toyota and Ford hybrid fuel economy"

it was 3.50 at a couple places around here yesterday.think it was still today.

edit: evidently you're wrong olds.... :P lol

http://www.csnews.co...cnbc-58539.html

The price of oil is likely nearing a top and will fall beneath $100 a barrel by July 4, Gulf Oil CEO Joe Petrowski told CNBC this morning.

Nope, olds is right on this. Demand means nothing.(only look at the huge loss for Japan for that)

The rapidly falling value of our dollar will keep gas prices up there.

If by chance it really does start falling again-look out.....

The gas wholesale price issue is really easy to fix. Stop allowing Banks and other investors to speculate on oil as a commodity. Only allow people who have a direct interest in the commodity speculate on it.

It would be nice JB....

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Why is there so much butthurt over what taillights are in this car? This thread and the other one over in the Chevy Cars section is full of non-stop bitching about why this doesn't have LEDs vs. regular bulbs. It could have CFLs and lampshades hanging from its ass for all I care.

That said, my hat's off to Chevy. I really think this latest incarnation of the Malibu is going to stack up well. Yeah, the ECO model isn't a full hybrid model, but I think it's very possible light-footed drivers will see a surprising mpg return with this car.

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I just like the technology and the car itself, I hope GM finds a better place to put the battery pack.

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Talked to my engineer friend tonight about the Malibu launch.

The reason we are getting the Eco model first is indeed engine availability. The 2.4L eAssist powertrain is ready to go now. The way he put it, it was simply a matter of "dropping it in" since that powertrain was already in 2 other GM vehicles and the work was done.

I asked him if the 2.5L was simply an enlarged 2.4L...and, well, I'm just going to post the exchange word for word:

Engineer: Oh that is exactly what the engine is, they actually send it to todd's customs, he bores it 5 over and sends it back, then they drop it in

Me: LOL

Engineer: Todd is back logged right now though

Me: I bet

Engineer: so the program got delayed, what a bitch

Sarcasm aside, I asked how much of the 2.5L was new:

"Quite a bit. lots of the components are new, they are doing a lot for FE." He said he thought these new motors would really be competitive.

The other funny thing was that I told him I thought the LED tails didn't look all that good. He wasn't really a fan of them either and said LED tails were never part of the original plan. Marketing said they had to add them in order to be competitive.

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This is too funny. Yes, marketing is correct that they need LEDs to be competitive, but design should have known how to do it TASTEFULLY. Morons. It honestly looks like some dumpy middle-aged midwesterner thought "Hey, all the kids like Kanye, Kanye wears light-up LED sunglasses...let's make the taillights look like that!!"

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Thanks for the update, Chris. I can see a slow ramp-up of sales for the car that way, maybe that's a good thing. Fleet managers and regular people interested in keeping the car past the warranty period should be more interested in the 2.5L.

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I prefer the look of the all-red lenses in the LED lights, but I hate it when you can actually see the individual LED bulbs. Most manufacturers that use LED taillights are guilty of this - it makes the lights look like cheap eBay specials. It's actually pretty pathetic considering that GM got it right 11 years ago:

cadillac_05deville_taillight_Large.jpg

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From talking to him, I get the sense the LEDs might've been quite a late add. They may not have had much choice, from an engineering standpoint, with other aspects of the car long since locked in.

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I prefer the look of the all-red lenses in the LED lights, but I hate it when you can actually see the individual LED bulbs. Most manufacturers that use LED taillights are guilty of this - it makes the lights look like cheap eBay specials. It's actually pretty pathetic considering that GM got it right 11 years ago:

cadillac_05deville_taillight_Large.jpg

Yes, I was just going to post a similar thing. This is a perfect example of getting the LED tails right. There are still some good examples of LED tails out there today, but the ones on the Malibu looks chintzy.

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It is awesome following a Cadillac with LED tails if you're a car geek like me. The uniform, instant red beacons are cool to watch, and they catch your eye so well, they have to be safer. I prefer the Malibu EEK, oh tails to the LTZ ones, though... they do look cheesy when lit.

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Lighting, gauges and wipers are my thing. Let's ignore the wiper thing cause I come off like a freak, but with me. Proper lighting/accents can really make a car pop and stand out. They did so many great little effects on the inside, I'm surprised that's what they did for the LED version of the Malibu's taillamps. I was hoping with some creative pipe lighting or deflectors they could really make it look cool from behind.

The shape of the overall lights is definitely better than what I thought it'd look like.

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