William Maley

Buick Regal GS Gets Rated

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It simply fails in its mission to provide performance while maintaining MPG.

Isn't that what potent 4-bangers are supposed to do?

For comparison's sake again:

Subaru Impreza WRX STI*: 17/23, 305 hp

Mitsubishi Lancer Evo*: 17/23, 291 hp

Honda S2000: 18/24, 232 hp

Dodge Caliber SRT4: 19/27, 285 hp

MAZDASPEED3: 18/26, 263 hp

Regal GS: ??/28, 270 hp

... and I'd venture that the Regal GS is more liveable day-to-day than any of these five cars... and not just because it's a size class or two bigger, either.

* - yes, they have AWD. But yes, they're still lighter than the Regal.

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It simply fails in its mission to provide performance while maintaining MPG.

Isn't that what potent 4-bangers are supposed to do?

For comparison's sake again:

Subaru Impreza WRX STI*: 17/23, 305 hp

Mitsubishi Lancer Evo*: 17/23, 291 hp

Honda S2000: 18/24, 232 hp

Dodge Caliber SRT4: 19/27, 285 hp

MAZDASPEED3: 18/26, 263 hp

Regal GS: ??/28, 270 hp

... and I'd venture that the Regal GS is more liveable day-to-day than any of these five cars... and not just because it's a size class or two bigger, either.

* - yes, they have AWD. But yes, they're still lighter than the Regal.

All of those cars are also much faster, some by over 2 seconds to 60, based on GM's claims.

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It simply fails in its mission to provide performance while maintaining MPG.

Isn't that what potent 4-bangers are supposed to do?

For comparison's sake again:

Subaru Impreza WRX STI*: 17/23, 305 hp

Mitsubishi Lancer Evo*: 17/23, 291 hp

Honda S2000: 18/24, 232 hp

Dodge Caliber SRT4: 19/27, 285 hp

MAZDASPEED3: 18/26, 263 hp

Regal GS: ??/28, 270 hp

... and I'd venture that the Regal GS is more liveable day-to-day than any of these five cars... and not just because it's a size class or two bigger, either.

* - yes, they have AWD. But yes, they're still lighter than the Regal.

What Camino is saying there is that a 3.6L DI could have been very well used in the car to give the desired or better results of performance with equivalent fuel efficiency, contrary to what general perception is being filtered about turbo-charging smaller engines to have equivalent power numbers of a larger engine to see tremendous gain in fuel economy.

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All of those cars are also much faster, some by over 2 seconds to 60, based on GM's claims.

Being smaller, and being geared solely toward going fast, they should be.

But to counter Camino's other point (high powered 4s have a mission of providing performance while maintaining MPG), I provided those examples to show that either all those cars fail as high-powered four-bangers... or that his expectations are misguided.

What Camino is saying there is that a 3.6L DI could have been very well used in the car to give the desired or better results of performance with equivalent fuel efficiency, contrary to what general perception is being filtered about turbo-charging smaller engines to have equivalent power numbers of a larger engine to see tremendous gain in fuel economy.

In theory, the smaller-displacement-plus-turbo idea should work. In practice, however, we wouldn't know unless we saw two cars on the same platform using both engines. There are no LWB EpII cars using the turbo 4, and there are no SWB cars using the 3.6...

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I don't think the MPG is that big of a deal here. Those who are worried about MPG probably aren't looking at the GS anyways.

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Then what's the point of the car?

Why use a turbo 4 if it isn't going to deliver both the power and the fuel economy?

The car seems... pointless.

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Maybe the shortcomings of the car have nothing to do with the engine... :scratchchin:

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Maybe the shortcomings of the car have nothing to do with the engine... :scratchchin:

Perhaps for the Regal, but not for the GS.

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If the GS produced both 325HP and 35MPG, I'd give it its due. The case would be made.

In fact, I'd be screaming for the drivetrain to be put into a light RWD coupe so I could enjoy it.

But it doesn't.

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Even the non-GS Regal's MPG are somewhat lower than we'd expect... 19/30 for the 2.4, 18/28 for the Turbo.

Turbo-4, non-turbo-4, the fact remains that the Regal outweighs all its competitors. Not even the 3.6 (about 20 pounds heavier than the LNF) could make up for that shortcoming,

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Been thinking about the weight thing in modern cars lately, myself.

That's another area we can hardly point to as progress when old cars are so much lighter when of a similar size.

Something has to happen on that front industry-wide.

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Sonata 2.0T Limited: 274 hp, 33 mpg, $27,145

Regal GS: 270 hpm 28 mpg, $35,000+???

Why would anyone pay $8,000 more for a Regal? I agree with Camino that the car is pointless. I don't think the Regal with any engine is a bad car, but it is just too expensive for what you get. $30k for a 184 hp engine? No thanks.

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Been thinking about the weight thing in modern cars lately, myself.

That's another area we can hardly point to as progress when old cars are so much lighter when of a similar size.

Something has to happen on that front industry-wide.

It would be a start.

Can't get away from the safety systems mandated by the feds, though, so reduction in the weight of chassis and body components ends up being the way to go. Some of the more upscale marques (Audi, Jaguar) have already shown progress on that. Others have plans to in the future.

GM could stand to add some lightness company-wide, and not just to Buick.

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Sonata 2.0T Limited: 274 hp, 33 mpg, $27,145

Regal GS: 270 hpm 28 mpg, $35,000+???

Why would anyone pay $8,000 more for a Regal? I agree with Camino that the car is pointless. I don't think the Regal with any engine is a bad car, but it is just too expensive for what you get. $30k for a 184 hp engine? No thanks.

Premium cache. Buick still has a smidgen of it. Hyundai never has.

Also, good luck finding a Sonata 2.0T with a manual.

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I just started a thread about this in the industry forum.

I question the safety regs as the source. If true, then ways to lighten the safety equiptment has to be a priority. And, if the regs are way off-base, they need to be reformed to comply with reality.

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I just started a thread about this in the industry forum.

I question the safety regs as the source. If true, then ways to lighten the safety equiptment has to be a priority.

Agreed.

And, if the regs are way off-base, they need to be reformed to comply with reality.

This IS the government we're talking about here... but so as not to completely derail discussion of the Regal, I'll continue with my thoughts over there. I have questions myself.

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Sonata 2.0T Limited: 274 hp, 33 mpg, $27,145

Audi A4 2.0T: 210 hp 30 mpg, $32,300+???

Why would anyone pay $6,000 more for an A4? I agree with Camino that the car is pointless. I don't think the A4 with any engine is a bad car, but it is just too expensive for what you get. $32k for a 200 hp engine? No thanks.

Fixed it for you. The point Camino is making is not about cheapness and more hp, please read the arguments carefully.

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Hmmmm well the Sonata is a good car, the Regal is better in all ways but economy and space. I would choose the A4 Quattro over the GS in a heartbeat though. 35K FWD does not compute.

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^ Problem is that $32,000 Audi is a FWD. And Buick GS has something that Audi does not to fix the FWD demons - Hiper Strut Suspension - reviews of which have been pretty good when it comes to driving dynamics.

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^ Problem is that $32,000 Audi is a FWD. And Buick GS has something that Audi does not to fix the FWD demons - Hiper Strut Suspension - reviews of which have been pretty good when it comes to driving dynamics.

Spend another grand and get a 6MT and quattro. :P

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Sonata 2.0T Limited: 274 hp, 33 mpg, $27,145

Regal GS: 270 hpm 28 mpg, $35,000+???

Why would anyone pay $8,000 more for a Regal? I agree with Camino that the car is pointless. I don't think the Regal with any engine is a bad car, but it is just too expensive for what you get. $30k for a 184 hp engine? No thanks.

Premium cache. Buick still has a smidgen of it. Hyundai never has.

Also, good luck finding a Sonata 2.0T with a manual.

Buick in 2010 had the highest average buyer age of any car brand at 62 years old. It is still an older person's car, not to mention Hyundai makes more expensive luxury cars than Buick. The top Buick sedan is a $30k LaCrosse, Hyundai has sedans priced well above that. I'd say the Hyundai brand has a better image than Buick.

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The A4 has a far better interior than any Buick, the A4 interior is better than what is in the CTS. I'm not really an A4 fan, the A4 is worth it's price tag. The Infiniti G37 is a pretty good deal too to get 330 hp RWD and a 7 speed tranny. I had one as a rental once, and it is a fun to drive car, probably not something I'd buy because I don't care for the styling of it, but a good car none the less. I just don't think the Regal is worth a price tag that is similar to a G37 or A4 or even an MKZ or Acura.

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Buick in 2010 had the highest average buyer age of any car brand at 62 years old. It is still an older person's car, not to mention Hyundai makes more expensive luxury cars than Buick. The top Buick sedan is a $30k LaCrosse, Hyundai has sedans priced well above that. I'd say the Hyundai brand has a better image than Buick.

Because of two upscale entries, none over three years old, that currently barely sell, Hyundai should be considered more premium than Buick? (notice I'm referring to market position, not brand image... different matter)

No. :thumbsdown:

Because for the Genesis and Equus that elevate it, Hyundai still has the Accent and Elantra that negate whatever cache those two cars bring. AND the reputation for building nothing but econoboxes, which still persists even through the current generation of cars.

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And the well-earned & recent reputation for building utter crap since their debut here.

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Sonata is a good car but drive both sonata and regal and it's pretty damn obvious the higher quality feel of the regal.

Consider now also the sonata hybrid getting panned for poor execution. Hyundai only has so much cache on the sonata.

Most buff books have said regal is just a few powertrain and suspension fine tweaks from turning into a really well done car. I met a regal owner who said the adjustable ride feature transforms the car. GS should perform well. Not everyone wants a BMW or Mercedes ......or Audi.

People blow money on turds like the maxima....and regal will still prob outsell many German competing vehicles.

Biggest knock on regal is curb weight and we all know that current poems have been porky. Non 5 star cars are unsellable however and the IIHS and insurance industry have a sterling grip on the buyers influence.

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