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Just spec'd out a 2012 Wrangler. Durn thing ran up to $27k, and it was a Sport with hardtop and manual transmission plus a few options. WTH?

Too many luxury features are available on the Wrangler, imo.

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A new 2dr convertible 4x4 for under $30k, seems like a bargain..and it's the only vehicle of it's sort on the market today. I like that they have options and modern features available to make them more drivable on road...

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$27k isn't bad at all, if you want an '86 Jeep hop on Craigslist and find an '86.

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I really don't understand buying a new wrangler. New vehicle = new paint, etc, don't want to get it dirty or scratch the paint. Wrangler = lame if you don't take it off road, where it'll get dirty & the paint will get scratched.

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This is it, the one I specified. I think "Dozer" is a cool colour, although I like just about all the colours.

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I really don't understand buying a new wrangler. New vehicle = new paint, etc, don't want to get it dirty or scratch the paint. Wrangler = lame if you don't take it off road, where it'll get dirty & the paint will get scratched.

I understand it..get the.warranty and reliability of a new car and avoid the headaches of a used car. I'd buy a new Wrangler and take it off road, since I bought my Grand Cherokee new and took it off road a week later...

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You can spec a Wrangler Unlimited up to $40 grand. When you think about it, you get like 6 vehicles in one. You can drive it every day to take the kids to school, you can carry just about anything Home Depot sells, you can drive it up a mountain, in the summer its an open-top cruiser, in the winter its a blizzard-beater. I think the fact that it has power windows and air conditioning is just fine.

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Just spec'd out a 2012 Wrangler. Durn thing ran up to $27k, and it was a Sport with hardtop and manual transmission plus a few options. WTH?

Too many luxury features are available on the Wrangler, imo.

You need a used jeep of the 1997-2006 vintage...the one with the good inline six.

You already have a nice new Chevy as a daily...you need something older you can beat on and get dirty...

You can spec a Wrangler Unlimited up to $40 grand. When you think about it, you get like 6 vehicles in one. You can drive it every day to take the kids to school, you can carry just about anything Home Depot sells, you can drive it up a mountain, in the summer its an open-top cruiser, in the winter its a blizzard-beater. I think the fact that it has power windows and air conditioning is just fine.

It is one heck of a vehicle, and Ohio built as well!

This is it, the one I specified. I think "Dozer" is a cool colour, although I like just about all the colours.

I like the Dozer, but the natural green is better IMHO!

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Not only are they pricey... they're pretty heavy, too. An Unlimited weighs more than 4,000 lbs.

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All the more reason to get the 97-2006 model and modify it for a little trail work...

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What can I say, I've been craving something that still feels... mechanical.

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Agreed....

Buying an older Jeep would b e wicked cool...

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If you can't find a decent CJ or TJ on Craigslist for under $4 grand, you're a failure at the internet.

But if you really want something new that isn't a modern car, I'm sure the good people of India would welcome you to their country to sample a Nano.

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Bingo on the cheap Jeep on the internet thing...

Saw a Chinese three wheeler for sale on a car lot in Columbus the other day....

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I know Jeeps are used as summer and winter runabouts by a fair number of owners as second cars or whatever, but... those above posted photos make me skeert to consider a used one. Mental blockage?

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They built eleventy billion of them...find one that hasn't been trashed.

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Clean, unmodified examples will run closer to $7-10 grand but they'll run forever. It isn't tough to find one that was bought to be a boulevard cruiser.

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A base model Sport without S package, with a hardtop, is still about $24k. The only other things I'd like to have are a positraction rear end and A/C. Cool looking steel Cragar black wheels only cost $99 apiece, and BFG All-Terrain T/A tires would complete the look. Those base 16" silver steelies look positively TINY inside those wheel arches.

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I wish my Jeep would've worked out. I really miss it. My Cherokee probably had the best driving position of any SUV I've been in, bar none. And considering how well taken care of it was before I bought it, it handled like a champ.

Jeeps are like an incurable virus. Once one gets underneath your skin, there's no getting away from one.

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I wish my Jeep would've worked out. I really miss it. My Cherokee probably had the best driving position of any SUV I've been in, bar none. And considering how well taken care of it was before I bought it, it handled like a champ.

Jeeps are like an incurable virus. Once one gets underneath your skin, there's no getting away from one.

This would be correct...once your addicted...your addicted.

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I'm lusting after the 4th gen Grand Cherokee. Would like to get 150k out of my 2nd gen '00 before I trade or buy another, though. Though I really like the Charger, Challenger, 300, Mustang, Camaro, and Panthers....

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I'm lusting after the 4th gen Grand Cherokee. Would like to get 150k out of my 2nd gen '00 before I trade or buy another, though. Though I really like the Charger, Challenger, 300, Mustang, Camaro, and Panthers....

I would suggest Grand Cherokee...your an SUV kind of a guy in a way.

The new Grand Cherokee is one of the hotest things out there IMHO.

I wish my Jeep would've worked out. I really miss it. My Cherokee probably had the best driving position of any SUV I've been in, bar none. And considering how well taken care of it was before I bought it, it handled like a champ.

Jeeps are like an incurable virus. Once one gets underneath your skin, there's no getting away from one.

This would be correct...once your addicted...your addicted.

I know this: another Cherokee is pretty much in my immediate future. The first one was enough of a learning experience of what to look out for (mainly, condition of heads and head gaskets) and how to buy one cheap.

I wish Jeep would build a true successor to the Cherokee, though: an innovative, highly capable, well handling, tough and rugged, lightweight, cheap and efficient compact mid-sized SUV (of course, with the customer's choice of two or four doors, two four-wheel drive systems, and two different transmissions and engines).

The only time the Liberty came remotely close was with the Renegade package, but even then its hefty curb weight still left it lacking. The 2008 and up models are an insult to what legacy the Cherokee left. Sure, you could argue the four-door Wrangler Unlimited is better poised to carry the Cherokee's torch, but it comes at a hefty cost whereas the Cherokee always remained affordable throughout its entire run. The Patriot makes for a fun runabout, but it lacks the real off-road prowess of the SUV it tries so hard to emulate.

The Grand Cherokee is in a league of its own, far removed from the original Cherokee. It doesn't fit into this picture, despite being originally designed to replace it.

Alas, it seems corporate ignorance has buried one of the best modern SUVs any company has ever built ... and the company that truly takes credit for that impressive piece of design would be AMC (with a dump truck's load of credit to Richard Teague), the McGyver of automotive design and engineering. Ironically the Cherokee has left most, if not all, of Jeep's line-up under the weight of its shadow since it left the room. Look at how ChryCo redesigned the Liberty and designed the Patriot; look at how they designed the Commander and consider why they decided to build the Wrangler Unlimited with four full doors. You don't just build any successful vehicle relatively unchanged for almost two decades and expect people to just forget why they bought one in the first place.

Also consider the fact it was the Cherokee just about everyone scrambled to compete with during the late '80s and early '90s. Because of the Cherokee, GM had to add an extra set of doors to the Blazer and Jimmy. Because of the Cherokee, Ford had to take the Bronco II down to the bare foundation and redesign it to be bigger and, yep, with a set of four doors (read: Explorer). It was the Cherokee's original formula that everyone copied and that would eventually lead to the SUV boom.

I have to wonder how many people who shown up to trade their old Cherokees in around the debut of the original Liberty were completely turned off and away by what they were presented with at their Jeep dealer.

I can't forget the truck the Cherokee spawned, either. With Ford giving up on compact trucks and Dodge moving on to follow Honda's failed model by slapping beds on minivans, Jeep could really take hold of the compact truck market in a big way if they built another truck like the Comanche. The Comanche was exceptionally light-weight, good looking, and fuel efficient for a small truck while still remaining rugged and capable and a new Jeep designed in the exact same vein would bring a lot of sales. I guarantee that, especially if they also add different cab configurations into the mix (that's the only thing the original Comanche should've stayed ahead on).

Anyway, my rant is over.

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