Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
William Maley

Infiniti News: Rumorpile: Infiniti's 700 Horsepower Flagship

Recommended Posts

We've been hearing for awhile rumors of a Infiniti flagship. Most recently, reports have pointed towards a model that would compete with the likes of the Porsche Panamera. Now a new report from Motor Trend is spilling a lot information out on this possible flagship.

The report says the new flagship will likely be a four-door version of Infiniti's Essence concept wearing either the Q80 or Q90 nameplate. Engines will include a new 3.0L turbo V6 hybrid with 550 horsepower and a 3.7L twin-turbo V6 hybrid with 700 horsepower. Both engines will feed power to a standard all-wheel drive system.

“We are not planning to create a Mercedes S-Class competitor. Our goal is to launch a revised four-door version of the Essence,” a source said.

The new flagship is expected to arrive in 2017 or 2018 with a pricetag of $100,000.

Source: Motor Trend

William Maley is a staff writer for Cheers & Gears. He can be reached at william.maley@cheersandgears.com or you can follow him on twitter at @realmudmonster.


View full article

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Very Cool, I think AWD Hybrid is the way to go to get all the power that is possible down to the ground. Safer rides with better efficiency. I like it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A 3.0tt with 550hp? A 3.7tt with 700? Seems high.

Combined, i.e. IC + electric engines :AH-HA:

Edited by ZL-1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Of course they aren't launching an S-class competitor because they know they would fail at that. They won't be able to create the luxury and prestige and heritage that the executives and world leaders want. But it makes you wonder what their target market will be, poor man's version of an Aston Martin Rapide, or Quattroporte competitor, but neither of those cars sell.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I doubt Infinit wants to get into the taxi cab market to compete with the S-Class... after all, Nissan already sells the NV200.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My world travel especially in Europe has shown me that the S Class is a heavily used Taxi of nothing special porportions. SMK you have been drinking way too much MB Coolaid.

MB Auto's are Over rated, Over priced and just plain boring.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I doubt Infinit wants to get into the taxi cab market to compete with the S-Class... after all, Nissan already sells the NV200.

Yes, because the S-class has such a lowly image, that even with an above $90,000 MSRP it outsells any other car in its class by 2-1 or more, and and has been doing so for about 30 years. Let's think how many sedans Acura, Lincoln, Cadillac, Infiniti, Lexus, Audi and BMW sell that have a base price over $90,000, oh right, none of them do. I read on CNN Money that the S-class made an estimated $15 billion in profit from 1995-2011, which makes sense because with a $10k per car margin and 100,000 units sold globally, you come up with $1 billion per year profit. I am sure every car maker wishes they had one model that could bring in $1 billion by itself, the whole Infiniti brand probably can't do that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

^ S-class sells below MSRP on average, with up to $30K worth of options added to that MSRP number.
Daimler could peg the MSRP at $180K base- doesn't mean anyone is willing to pay that... and they're not.

mercedes has to put up around $15,000 incentives to move s-classes, and one can only wonder what the real story is AFA fleet sales cutting into profits.
In order to make that kind of claimed profit on the ATPs it's moving @ in general, the car must be much cheaper to build than most folk believe (gee; really??) The 'billion $ profit/yr' claim is highly suspect.

MSRP on a 2013 S350 with NO options is 93905. cars.com shows a brand new one online, FL dealer, asking $80900.

Where MB is making profit is on the versions they jack up to $200K or thereabouts- the profit there HAS to be $125K all by itself.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The 2013 model is obviously going to sell at a discount because the 2014 model is a big leap forward. Look at what 2013 Silverados are selling for, even the new 2014 Silverados have 15% off MSRP incentives this month. Mercedes operates at about a 7% margin, compared to BMW and Audi which are over 10%, but understandable with Audi, most of the mechanicals are shared with VW, and BMW doesn't have too many engines or platforms, it is pretty streamlined. Mercedes most profitable car line is the S-class though, and obviously the AMG models and high end ones help that.

The 2014 S-class according to Truecar.com is selling at .5% below MSRP, $93,000 for an average sale price for the base model, A V8 A8 is $81,000, V8 7-series is $84,000 and an LS460 at $71,000 for average sale price. The Lexus is so far dated and behind it is more like the Hyundai Equus at this point, the A8 sales are awful, the 7-series is hanging on since BMW has a loyal following and they do offer 6 cylinder and diesel options that are cheaper.

The Porsche Panamera is the only one that averages over $90,000 and it sells fairly well in the class, probably since it isn't at all like the S-class. If Infiniti wants to go into the $100,000 segment, then they need to think Panamera or Quattroporte, because they can't build a better luxury car than an S-class, but they might be able to make a 4 door luxury GT-R style car that is a sport alternative.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I find the words "hybrid" and "flagship" to be mutually exclusive. Give me a flagship with a ginormous gasoline V8 or V12, an 8 speed automatic, and real wheel drive. Because that's the way it's done by the biggest boys out there.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  



  • Social Stream

  • Similar Content

    • By Drew Dowdell
      Infiniti announced today that they will exit the Western European market to concentrate on their growth areas in North America and China.  The company stated that regulatory challenges and competition from other premium priced cars were the main factors in its decision. There are 55 Infiniti dealerships in Western Europe.
      As part of the move, Infiniti is canceling the Q30 sedan and QX30 crossover which is sold in the US.  Both vehicles are built in the UK at Nissan's Sunderland plant. Nissan recently announced they will not be building their X-Trail SUV in the UK. Nissan is also rumored to be cutting Leaf and Qashqai production at the Sunderland plant. This follows recent moves by Honda and potentially BMW to end automobile production in the UK in fear of a no-deal Brexit. 
      In January, Infiniti's President Christian Meunier admitted the QX30 was a flop, but said that the model would continue on an all-Infiniti platform.  The exit from Europe now puts those plans into question. 
      Infiniti will remain in Eastern Europe, North America, and China and will electrify most of its products by 2021.
      Related:
      Honda Confirms Swindon Closure
      Nissan and BMW Could Pull Production from UK
      LA Auto Show: Infiniti QX30

      View full article
    • By Drew Dowdell
      Infiniti announced today that they will exit the Western European market to concentrate on their growth areas in North America and China.  The company stated that regulatory challenges and competition from other premium priced cars were the main factors in its decision. There are 55 Infiniti dealerships in Western Europe.
      As part of the move, Infiniti is canceling the Q30 sedan and QX30 crossover which is sold in the US.  Both vehicles are built in the UK at Nissan's Sunderland plant. Nissan recently announced they will not be building their X-Trail SUV in the UK. Nissan is also rumored to be cutting Leaf and Qashqai production at the Sunderland plant. This follows recent moves by Honda and potentially BMW to end automobile production in the UK in fear of a no-deal Brexit. 
      In January, Infiniti's President Christian Meunier admitted the QX30 was a flop, but said that the model would continue on an all-Infiniti platform.  The exit from Europe now puts those plans into question. 
      Infiniti will remain in Eastern Europe, North America, and China and will electrify most of its products by 2021.
      Related:
      Honda Confirms Swindon Closure
      Nissan and BMW Could Pull Production from UK
      LA Auto Show: Infiniti QX30
    • By Drew Dowdell
      Jeep unveiled plug-in hybrid versions of its popular Compass and Renegade crossovers at the Geneva International Auto Show today. 
      The Plug-In Hybrid variants are powered by a 1.3 liter turbocharged engine. In base form, the 1.3T makes 177 hp and 200 lb-ft of torque. On the Renegade, power ranges between 190 hp and 240 hp range while the Compass gets 240 hp through the combined effort of the gasoline engine and electric motors. Zero to 62 mph takes around 7 seconds.
      The hybrids use eAWD technology where the rear wheels are not powered by a driveshaft, but instead from a rear mounted electric motor. This allows the front and rear wheels to be operated independently in a more effective way than a fixed mechanical system.  Greater low-speed torque is made available through the electric motors improving response on challenging terrain.
      The size of the battery pack was not released, but the hybrids can travel up to 31 miles or hit a top speed of 81 mph in electric only mode. Naturally, driving 81 mph will shorten the EV range. 
      Both models will feature a special instrument cluster and infotainment screen geared towards monitoring the hybrid system. 
      No word from FCA yet as to when we will see the Compass PHEV and Renegade PHEV in the US. 
      FCA announced a plant expansion in Michigan last week that included plans for Plug-in Hybrid Grand Cherokees, Wagoneers and Grand Wagoneers. 
      FCA Press Release on Page 2


      The Jeep® E-volution Showcased in Geneva
      Preview of the new Jeep® Renegade and Jeep Compass with plug-in hybrid electric technology New PHEV technology enhances the Jeep off-road performance taking advantage of the high torque control during take-off The combined action of the two propulsion systems delivers up to 240 hp Both Jeep SUVs feature batteries which can be recharged by the internal combustion engine or by the plug-in charging cable The evolution of the Jeep brand in Europe continues and stays true to its core values of freedom, authenticity, adventure and passion March 5, 2019 , Geneva - The Jeep® brand continues to surprise audiences at this year’s Geneva International Motor Show.
       
      After setting a new global sales record in 2018, the Jeep brand welcomes 2019 as the year of an evolution that remains true to those core values that have been at the heart of the brand for almost 80 years. The Jeep brand has always pioneered new segments and new technologies: its legend started in 1941 with the Willys-Overland, the first 4x4 vehicle, followed in 1946 by the Willys Wagon, which first introduced the concept of the Sport Utility Vehicle. Its legendary reputation for off-road capability has lasted ever since. Comfort, handling and connectivity have been increased over time, in parallel with the all-terrain performance of Jeep SUVs. Today, the Jeep brand is making another major evolutionary step toward respecting the environment and reducing the total cost of ownership by presenting its new plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) models. A no-compromise hybrid solution, which integrates the unmatched technical layout of each Jeep SUV, will power both the Jeep Renegade and Jeep Compass and will turn them into vehicles that provide absolute freedom while taking their capability to the next level through some of the most advanced eco-friendly technology.
       
      New Renegade and Compass PHEV: Power and Range
      In the spotlight at the Jeep stand in Geneva, these new plug-in hybrid models are equipped with batteries that are rechargeable from an external power outlet and, as a consequence, can store more electric energy. This choice allows for the use of more powerful electric motors, which translate into a pure electric range of approximately 50 kilometers and about 130 km/h full electric top speed for both Renegade and Compass.
       
      The electric units work in synergy with the new 1.3-litre turbo petrol engine to increase efficiency and power overall. For the Renegade, the power sits in the 190 and 240 hp range resulting in outstanding on-road performance: 0-100 km/h is reached in approximately 7 seconds. The same figures – although still pending homologation – are achieved by the first plug-in hybrid Compass. Also, on the Compass, the simultaneous action of the internal combustion engine (ICE) and the electric motor delivers up to 240 hp of maximum power.
       
      In addition, the new Jeep SUVs with plug-in hybrid technology are more fun to drive courtesy of improved acceleration and fast engine response. They are also extremely quiet and respectful of the environment with CO2 emissions lower than 50 g/km.
       
      But above all, thanks to electrification, the Jeep range further improves its legendary off-road capability, courtesy of the greater torque offered by the electric motor and the ability to adjust it with extreme precision during take-off and while driving on the most challenging terrain, where a very low transmission ratio is needed.
       
      Thanks to the new electric all-wheel-drive technology (eAWD), traction to the rear axle is not provided by a prop shaft but through a dedicated electric motor. This allows the two axles to be separated and to control the torque independently in a more effective way than a mechanical system.
       
      Renegade and Compass PHEVs feature a dedicated instrument cluster and infotainment screen, updated in order to help the customer with information related to daily hybrid driving.
       
      While being loyal to its mindset of overcoming any limit, the Jeep brand continues to evolve, to develop and to bring its SUVs to the next level in line with its core values of freedom, authenticity and passion. Today the brand is embracing a new challenge and setting new standards. Behind the wheel of Jeep Renegade and Jeep Compass featuring PHEV technology, driving fun becomes efficient and, for the first time, it will be possible to tackle the most extreme off-road trails not only in the utmost safety but also while listening to the sounds of nature.
      View full article
    • By Drew Dowdell
      Jeep unveiled plug-in hybrid versions of its popular Compass and Renegade crossovers at the Geneva International Auto Show today. 
      The Plug-In Hybrid variants are powered by a 1.3 liter turbocharged engine. In base form, the 1.3T makes 177 hp and 200 lb-ft of torque. On the Renegade, power ranges between 190 hp and 240 hp range while the Compass gets 240 hp through the combined effort of the gasoline engine and electric motors. Zero to 62 mph takes around 7 seconds.
      The hybrids use eAWD technology where the rear wheels are not powered by a driveshaft, but instead from a rear mounted electric motor. This allows the front and rear wheels to be operated independently in a more effective way than a fixed mechanical system.  Greater low-speed torque is made available through the electric motors improving response on challenging terrain.
      The size of the battery pack was not released, but the hybrids can travel up to 31 miles or hit a top speed of 81 mph in electric only mode. Naturally, driving 81 mph will shorten the EV range. 
      Both models will feature a special instrument cluster and infotainment screen geared towards monitoring the hybrid system. 
      No word from FCA yet as to when we will see the Compass PHEV and Renegade PHEV in the US. 
      FCA announced a plant expansion in Michigan last week that included plans for Plug-in Hybrid Grand Cherokees, Wagoneers and Grand Wagoneers. 
      FCA Press Release on Page 2


      The Jeep® E-volution Showcased in Geneva
      Preview of the new Jeep® Renegade and Jeep Compass with plug-in hybrid electric technology New PHEV technology enhances the Jeep off-road performance taking advantage of the high torque control during take-off The combined action of the two propulsion systems delivers up to 240 hp Both Jeep SUVs feature batteries which can be recharged by the internal combustion engine or by the plug-in charging cable The evolution of the Jeep brand in Europe continues and stays true to its core values of freedom, authenticity, adventure and passion March 5, 2019 , Geneva - The Jeep® brand continues to surprise audiences at this year’s Geneva International Motor Show.
       
      After setting a new global sales record in 2018, the Jeep brand welcomes 2019 as the year of an evolution that remains true to those core values that have been at the heart of the brand for almost 80 years. The Jeep brand has always pioneered new segments and new technologies: its legend started in 1941 with the Willys-Overland, the first 4x4 vehicle, followed in 1946 by the Willys Wagon, which first introduced the concept of the Sport Utility Vehicle. Its legendary reputation for off-road capability has lasted ever since. Comfort, handling and connectivity have been increased over time, in parallel with the all-terrain performance of Jeep SUVs. Today, the Jeep brand is making another major evolutionary step toward respecting the environment and reducing the total cost of ownership by presenting its new plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV) models. A no-compromise hybrid solution, which integrates the unmatched technical layout of each Jeep SUV, will power both the Jeep Renegade and Jeep Compass and will turn them into vehicles that provide absolute freedom while taking their capability to the next level through some of the most advanced eco-friendly technology.
       
      New Renegade and Compass PHEV: Power and Range
      In the spotlight at the Jeep stand in Geneva, these new plug-in hybrid models are equipped with batteries that are rechargeable from an external power outlet and, as a consequence, can store more electric energy. This choice allows for the use of more powerful electric motors, which translate into a pure electric range of approximately 50 kilometers and about 130 km/h full electric top speed for both Renegade and Compass.
       
      The electric units work in synergy with the new 1.3-litre turbo petrol engine to increase efficiency and power overall. For the Renegade, the power sits in the 190 and 240 hp range resulting in outstanding on-road performance: 0-100 km/h is reached in approximately 7 seconds. The same figures – although still pending homologation – are achieved by the first plug-in hybrid Compass. Also, on the Compass, the simultaneous action of the internal combustion engine (ICE) and the electric motor delivers up to 240 hp of maximum power.
       
      In addition, the new Jeep SUVs with plug-in hybrid technology are more fun to drive courtesy of improved acceleration and fast engine response. They are also extremely quiet and respectful of the environment with CO2 emissions lower than 50 g/km.
       
      But above all, thanks to electrification, the Jeep range further improves its legendary off-road capability, courtesy of the greater torque offered by the electric motor and the ability to adjust it with extreme precision during take-off and while driving on the most challenging terrain, where a very low transmission ratio is needed.
       
      Thanks to the new electric all-wheel-drive technology (eAWD), traction to the rear axle is not provided by a prop shaft but through a dedicated electric motor. This allows the two axles to be separated and to control the torque independently in a more effective way than a mechanical system.
       
      Renegade and Compass PHEVs feature a dedicated instrument cluster and infotainment screen, updated in order to help the customer with information related to daily hybrid driving.
       
      While being loyal to its mindset of overcoming any limit, the Jeep brand continues to evolve, to develop and to bring its SUVs to the next level in line with its core values of freedom, authenticity and passion. Today the brand is embracing a new challenge and setting new standards. Behind the wheel of Jeep Renegade and Jeep Compass featuring PHEV technology, driving fun becomes efficient and, for the first time, it will be possible to tackle the most extreme off-road trails not only in the utmost safety but also while listening to the sounds of nature.
    • By Drew Dowdell
      Nissan Group reports February 2019 U.S. sales

       
      February 2019
      February 2018
      % chg
      Nissan Group Total sales (units)
      114,342
      129,930
      -12.0
      Nissan Division sales
      103,735
      117,110
      -11.4
      INFINITI sales*
      10,607
      12,820
      -17.3
      NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Nissan Group announced total U.S. sales for February 2019 of 114,342 units, a decrease of 12 percent compared to the prior year.
      Nissan highlights:
      NV commercial van sales were 1,439 units, up 26 percent to achieve a February record. Armada SUV sales rose 25 percent to 3,190 units. Versa sales rose 3 percent in February to 7,410 units. *INFINITI sales total included for reference. For more information on INFINITI’s February sales performance, please visit INFINITINews.com.
      NOTE: To ensure consistency in global sales reporting, Nissan North America calculates monthly variances on a straight-percentage basis, unadjusted for the number of selling days. February 2019 and February 2018 each had 24 selling days.
       
      NISSAN DIVISION
      FEB
      FEB
      Monthly
      CYTD
      CYTD
      CYTD
       
      2019
      2018
      % chg
      2019
      2018
      % chg
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
      Nissan Division Total
      103,735
      117,110
      -11.4
      194,174
      230,013
      -15.6
      Versa
      7,410
      7,196
      3.0
      14,059
      14,444
      -2.7
      Sentra
      17,072
      17,148
      -0.4
      31,160
      34,879
      -10.7
      Altima
      16,216
      19,703
      -17.7
      28,405
      39,888
      -28.8
      Maxima
      3,504
      4,387
      -20.1
      6,961
      8,720
      -20.2
      LEAF
      654
      895
      -26.9
      1,371
      1,045
      31.2
      Juke
      2
      124
      -98.4
      5
      314
      -98.4
      370Z
      211
      312
      -32.4
      384
      536
      -28.4
      GT-R
      25
      35
      -28.6
      44
      69
      -36.2
      Total Car
      45,094
      49,800
      -9.4
      82,389
      99,895
      -17.5
      Kicks
      3,563
      0
      n/a
      7,375
      0
      n/a
      Frontier
      6,291
      7,992
      -21.3
      12,353
      13,893
      -11.1
      Titan
      2,722
      3,761
      -27.6
      5,753
      7,812
      -26.4
      Pathfinder
      4,860
      6,140
      -20.8
      10,128
      11,426
      -11.4
      Armada
      3,190
      2,548
      25.2
      5,392
      4,794
      12.5
      Rogue
      31,899
      38,119
      -16.3
      58,012
      74,303
      -21.9
      Murano
      3,412
      6,179
      -44.8
      7,492
      12,971
      -42.2
      Quest
      0
      1
      -100.0
      0
      2
      -100.0
      NV
      1,439
      1,139
      26.3
      2,702
      2,162
      25.0
      NV200
      1,265
      1,431
      -11.6
      2,578
      2,755
      -6.4
      Total Truck
      58,641
      67,310
      -12.9
      111,785
      130,118
      -14.1
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
      INFINITI
      FEB
      FEB
      Monthly
      CYTD
      CYTD
      CYTD
       
      2019
      2018
      % chg
      2019
      2018
      % chg
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
      Infiniti Total
      10,607
      12,820
      -17.3
      20,909
      23,455
      -10.9
      Infiniti Q50
      2,230
      3,904
      -42.9
      4,479
      6,616
      -32.3
      Infiniti Q60
      327
      855
      -61.8
      733
      1,467
      -50.0
      Infiniti Q70
      269
      450
      -40.2
      504
      836
      -39.7
      Infiniti QX30
      574
      775
      -25.9
      1,029
      1,588
      -35.2
      Infiniti QX50
      1,122
      1,120
      0.2
      1,944
      2,171
      -10.5
      Infiniti QX60
      4,117
      3,880
      6.1
      8,305
      6,909
      20.2
      Infiniti QX70
      0
      147
      -100.0
      4
      349
      -98.9
      Infiniti QX80
      1,968
      1,689
      16.5
      3,911
      3,519
      11.1
      Total Car
      2,826
      5,209
      -45.7
      5,716
      8,919
      -35.9
      Total Truck
      7,781
      7,611
      2.2
      15,193
      14,536
      4.5
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
      NISSAN GROUP
      FEB
      FEB
      Monthly
      CYTD
      CYTD
      CYTD
       
      2019
      2018
      % chg
      2019
      2018
      % chg
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
      TOTAL VEHICLE
      114,342
      129,930
      -12.0
      215,083
      253,468
      -15.1
      Total Car
      47,920
      55,009
      -12.9
      88,105
      108,814
      -19.0
      Total Truck
      66,422
      74,921
      -11.3
      126,978
      144,654
      -12.2
      Selling days
      24
      24
       
      49
      49
       
  • My Clubs

  • Recently Browsing

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Reader Rides

About us

CheersandGears.com - Founded 2001

We ♥ Cars

Get in touch

Follow us

Recent tweets

facebook

×
×
  • Create New...