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7 hours ago, balthazar said:

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Grungy but rust free '62 Pontiac full-size fender, for sale on the internet for $5,000.

Rust free because it's one of GM's past examples of aluminum body panels; this is an NOS Super Duty fender.

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Had some January thaw weather yesterday--sunny and in the low 40s.  Went out and about to a few parks and beaches nearby..

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Just got the latest Chevy Performance email. Talk about crazy price drops on their crate motors.

One has to wonder just how long crate motors as a business will continue. 5, 10 more years?

I wonder once EVs start to take hold if we will see OEM EV powertrains that can be used for old auto restoration? :scratchchin:

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1 minute ago, dfelt said:

 

Just got the latest Chevy Performance email. Talk about crazy price drops on their crate motors.

One has to wonder just how long crate motors as a business will continue. 5, 10 more years?

I wonder once EVs start to take hold if we will see OEM EV powertrains that can be used for old auto restoration? :scratchchin:

I wonder when Car Craft or Hot Rod will transplant a Bolt drivetrain into a '69 Camaro?   Or a Prius drivetrain into an old Celica?  Seems like something the hot rodders would do.. 

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• Maybe someone will put an EV motor in a 2 million dollar Duesenberg Model SJ - toss that archaic supercharged inline 8 on the scrap heap.

• The very term 'restoration' precludes an electric motor retro-fit. Even a otherwise correct but non-numbers matching engine in a collectible reduces it's value, a downgrade to a weaker/smaller IC engine is even worse. An electric motor in a -say- '69 Z/28 would be automotive murder and a tremendous financial loss. Electric motors need to stick to present & future vehicles, leave the past ones alone.
'Hot rodding' or modifying is another mindset- there pretty much anything goes... just don't expect huge levels of admiration, if that's what you're after.

• GM crate engine pricing was due to come down as volume rises, just like many retail commodities. Look, for example at Buick- the last BBB 455 was built in 1976, yet there are 2 aftermarket blocks available today. There are numerous heads; Buick only offered Stage 1 and Stage 2 thru the factory, but the leading aftermarket BBB company is now developing a Stage 6 head, in addition to repro-ing the factory heads, and there are still other companies out there.

• People need to keep the numbers in mind. EVs haven't remotely achieved what fidget spinners have yet (and those are already on the way out). Marketing & consumer trends moves much slower than people think.

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I subscribed to this magazine when this cover/article hit in '96. That's a '60 Toyota with a ZZ3 SBC with a crossram EFI unit. The uproar nearly derailed the magazine. Subscribers mailed the torn up cover back to the offices. It wasn't the specs, wasn't even that it was a dumpy 4-dr with American-cribbed cues, it was simply an ideal out of step with it's market.

Gotta know your market.
 

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1 minute ago, balthazar said:

I subscribed to this magazine when this cover/article hit in '96. That's a '60 Toyota with a ZZ3 SBC with a crossram EFI unit. The uproar nearly derailed the magazine. Subscribers mailed the torn up cover back to the offices. It wasn't the specs, wasn't even that it was a dumpy 4-dr with American-cribbed cues, it was simply an ideal out of step with it's market.

Gotta know your market.
 

 

Given how xenophobic a lot of the old farts in the hot rodding world are, not a surprise...different niche than the import tuner and JDM crowd.

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I don't think it's xenophobia as much as it's a love for the history and the product as conceived.

Looked at your link- wonder if the guy ever finished his silent, front wheel drive '46 truck. Wonder if he put a driveshaft into it, hung in a carrier bearing under the cab so it looks like the rear wheels are being powered? Wonder how long he's been going to AA?

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2 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Googlin' turned up this Prius powered '46 Chevy truck hot rod..  

 

I see he put out an updated video July 9th 2017. First show he took his Prius powered 46 pickup too.

 

2 hours ago, balthazar said:

I subscribed to this magazine when this cover/article hit in '96. That's a '60 Toyota with a ZZ3 SBC with a crossram EFI unit. The uproar nearly derailed the magazine. Subscribers mailed the torn up cover back to the offices. It wasn't the specs, wasn't even that it was a dumpy 4-dr with American-cribbed cues, it was simply an ideal out of step with it's market.

Gotta know your market.

Interesting, Different strokes for different folks, those that tore up their copy and mailed it back are narrow thinking as the idea of custom rodder covers everything. Asian, European and American, this includes any small auto companies in Africa or South America for that matter. 

Custom is custom and all ideas should be welcomed and cool! :P 

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2 hours ago, dfelt said:

I see he put out an updated video July 9th 2017. First show he took his Prius powered 46 pickup too.

 

Interesting, Different strokes for different folks, those that tore up their copy and mailed it back are narrow thinking as the idea of custom rodder covers everything. Asian, European and American, this includes any small auto companies in Africa or South America for that matter. 

Custom is custom and all ideas should be welcomed and cool! :P 

As long as it is not ruining the "good" stuff, I'm game! Chances are good that we will see them in trucks like this-which is cool. There are some things out there that would be pretty cool to EV...

 

Was talking to someone a little while back that was looking to EV a 1990 Chevy Cavalier, so there are choices out there!

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Let's make a deal: no EV-ing anything built before 1980.
Because this truck is definitely 'good stuff'... or was.

Sorry my friend but this is one time I have to disagree with you. Purist can be purist, but anything goes when it comes to auto's and customization.

I understand number matched collectors and that is the beauty of our country to do what one wants, but there are plenty of cool auto's that if someone wanted to rebuild it as an EV or hybrid, why not. It is their money after all. Let them enjoy what they want.

Would love my old Grandmas 1970 2 door skylark with it's big V8 back and convert it to AWD EV and then blow away people. :D 

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Classic cars and EVs just don't match up well, imo. I don't care how neat of a powertrain an EV might be they're just not suited for an older car. 

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27 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Well, in 50+ years, that can be the solution. Until then, I don't want no stinkin EV in anything classic. 

Personal Choice!

So many great options to take older classic auto's and give them a modern life while looking classic with low maintenance powertrains.

Some Great Examples:

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Just think of the room one would have in a Lincoln Convertible with Suicide doors and a Frunk plus trunk. Talk about a road car that would be roomy, comfy and can carry all your stuff. :P

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There's this FANTASTIC engine line called the Chevy LS and they're extremely reliable and modern. I'll take a classic Ford or Mopar with a Chevy LS swap over an EV all day. 

Keeping a gasoline engine up front doesn't sacrifice any of the interior room of the Lincoln. Those batteries to go 300 miles minimum have to go somewhere. That Lincvolt is a hydrogen electric hybrid so they're using the under-hood space.  

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7 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

There's this FANTASTIC engine line called the Chevy LS and they're extremely reliable and modern. I'll take a classic Ford or Mopar with a Chevy LS swap over an EV all day. 

Keeping a gasoline engine up front doesn't sacrifice any of the interior room of the Lincoln. Those batteries to go 300 miles minimum have to go somewhere. That Lincvolt is a hydrogen electric hybrid so they're using the under-hood space.  

Get a Frunk, in wheel hub motors or like many, the electric motor is in between the wheels. Since no drive line, the space between the 4 wheels under the main seating area is where you get a nice thin battery sled that also offers a bit more rigidity to the auto for a better lower center of gravity giving a better ride.

You can have your LS, I will take an EV. Silence in a road cruiser is golden.

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