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10 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Well, the promised "sub $20k" starting price for the Maverick has me hopeful, but the spy shots have me worried... a regular cab with a minimum 6' bed is needed as one of the choices, but all I'm seeing is crewcab with 2' beds so far.

We’ll have to see. I would think they would need some base trucks for places like auto part stores and such. They would be silly to have no work trucks........

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15 hours ago, David said:

Makes one wonder if the owner of the company was a Star Trek fan and decided Photon was a good name but it did not translate into Chinese, so went with foton.

Should be futon, it will lay down on you. 

11 hours ago, ocnblu said:

2021 Renegade Jeepster in TechnoGreen Metallic

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I love the Renegade. Esp in this color. 

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10 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Believe it or not, I do not see the sedan/coupe dying just yet. With the price of the CUVs/SUVs and trucks going sky high, people will eventually want cheaper, more basic stuff again. I think that Ford may have a hit with the Maverick on their hands if they can price it right. Small businesses alone will love it....

I am already seeing a start, as a few of my friends got cars for their kids that they wanted- a Ford Fusion and a Kia Forte. Neither wanted anything huge and clunky. I expect automakers to switch gears to cheaper rides rather the risk the loss in sales.......

You make sense to me.  It's too big of a paradigm shift for people who are used to cars and want no more than cars.  I see Ford Fusions everywhere and I think KIa Fortes are probably very reliable.  We know the Asians and Europeans will not exit the car market.  Also, with each refresh, these little Asian cars have gotten a little bit bigger (more comfortable) and feature more advanced technology, such as forward collision alert and avoid.

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Is there an age where you more seriously consider ‘splurging’ on a vehicular purchase? Say, your mortgage is long done and any kids are on their own; do you ever think ‘it’s my turn now’?

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47 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Is there an age where you more seriously consider ‘splurging’ on a vehicular purchase? Say, your mortgage is long done and any kids are on their own; do you ever think ‘it’s my turn now’?

I’m certain for some folks, there is but honestly new cars are a terrible investment. There’s a reason why used car sales have taken off over the last decade or so. To each their own though. If someone wants to splurge $100K on a new car, more power to them. You only live once, after all. 

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Is there an age where you more seriously consider ‘splurging’ on a vehicular purchase? Say, your mortgage is long done and any kids are on their own; do you ever think ‘it’s my turn now’?

I am now.  Financially  it will be a bad idea, I still have mortgage and kids, but I am seriously considering getting car of my dream this year.  I am in mid-40s now and there is always some reason that prevents me  buying it.  I realized that if I am not going to do it soon, than it is very likely  might not happen at all, or by the time I can do it comfortably financially it will not matter anymore.

On the positive side I think the car I want will hold her value well enough that if I am forced to sell it I should not loose too much money.

22 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

You only live once, after all. 

Exactly, and you never know when a piano will fall on your head.

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Is there an age where you more seriously consider ‘splurging’ on a vehicular purchase? Say, your mortgage is long done and any kids are on their own; do you ever think ‘it’s my turn now’?

Totally, Both kids are out on their own, just the wife and I at home and while I have a few more years left to pay off the college loan. I am saving for my next auto. Unlike many, I tend to hold onto my auto's for 10 years or longer, so do not see a problem with buying a $100,000 auto when I hold onto it for so long and enjoy it. 

After all, EVERY PARENT DESERVES a little luxury in life. Be it a new auto splurge or a splurge on a auto project that becomes your prized ride. Once you have done the family thing, time to pamper oneself. Nothing wrong with that.

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I guess I'm the exception here.  I don't want super expensive iron because it costs more in every way - to purchase, to insure, to feed, to repair.  And, it's probably extra traumatic when you get a door ding.  Very expensive and exotic cars are for those who are ridiculously rich and those for whom they are "must have" items.

I guess my maximum "allowance" for a car is adjusted each year for current purchasing power.  I look for a car that both appeals to me, since I don't care what others think, and is durable.  (I got flack for driving GM cars in CA when I was in college and right after it while in the workforce in that same area, as in "eww," but expressed middle finger sentiments to critics in a more roundabout way.)  Right now, I'd say my top end for a (new) vehicle would be about $ 29 K.

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My current daily is 6 yrs old, I've had it for over 3 years and it has less than 50k so far..so i won't be replacing it for a few years...I probably won't keep it past 100k because that is when everything goes no bueno w/ Jeeps in my past experience.    I have thought about getting a fun second car (late model Challenger V8 or Mustang GT are two in particular I've considered)...may still do that in a few years, but with the uncertainty in the reality currently,  it doesn't seem smart to spend money now.   I'm going to invest in improvements to my house over the next few years...

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3 hours ago, balthazar said:

Is there an age where you more seriously consider ‘splurging’ on a vehicular purchase? Say, your mortgage is long done and any kids are on their own; do you ever think ‘it’s my turn now’?

Just did it. 

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15 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Back around 1976, my brother had a ‘75 Mustang II Mach 1 in silver for a couple years.  He traded an orange ‘74 Vega GT on it.  I think it had the V6.  Our Nextdoor neighbor backed her ‘72 Olds 98 into it, mashing the passenger side door and front fender when it was parked across the street.  He traded it on a ‘74 Firebird Formula 400. 

Right around '74 or '75, there was a really cool blue color that the Vega had.  It was an enamel color, not a metallic one.  A family friend had bought one.  I remember riding in it up in the Los Padres National Forest north of L.A.  Who would have thought that Vega engines were prone to meltdowns ... literally?

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15 minutes ago, trinacriabob said:

I guess I'm the exception here.  I don't want super expensive iron because it costs more in every way - to purchase, to insure, to feed, to repair.  And, it's probably extra traumatic when you get a door ding.  Very expensive and exotic cars are for those who are ridiculously rich and those for whom they are "must have" items.

I guess my maximum "allowance" for a car is adjusted each year for current purchasing power.  I look for a car that both appeals to me, since I don't care what others think, and is durable.  (I got flack for driving GM cars in CA when I was in college and right after it while in the workforce in that same area, as in "eww," but expressed middle finger sentiments to critics in a more roundabout way.)  Right now, I'd say my top end for a (new) vehicle would be about $ 29 K.

I understand your concern, I felt that way when I saved up and bought my first $100K auto, my Escalade ESV Platinum. Yet cost of maintaining it, repairs, etc. have been low and over all the pleasure on road trips have been great that I would not want anything other than the Escalade ESV for a road trip auto.

Quality products bought for the long haul last in my opinion as long as you follow the maintenance schedule. I see no reason to not keep doing what I am doing. 2006 Escalade ESV Platinum with 140,000 plus miles and here it is 2020. Worth the money.

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This doesn't feel like auto enthusiast forum, more like Consumer Reports forum ... :) 

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1 hour ago, ykX said:

This doesn't feel like auto enthusiast forum, more like Consumer Reports forum ... :) 

Again, if I was rich, I'd probably opt for the very latest mid-engine Corvette in silver with the maroon leather seats ... and drive it on the weekend as a hobby or novelty car.

But, since I can't, I mentally scour cars and the literature, live in them vicariously through rentals, and then return to my steadfast though not necessarily boring car that people don't notice.  I take that back.  The only people who have noticed my previous cars were gang bangers because, when the Cutlass Supremes and Regals get older, it was gang bangers who adopted those "old schoolz," as they call them.

@David Yes, with thorough maintenance, my previous car hit almost 275,000 miles without ANY work on the powertrain.  Could it have been that I was taught to do break-in oil at about 1,000 or 1,500 miles before going onto the conventional schedule of oil changes?  I've latched on to that old school mentality about break-in oil.

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8 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

You make sense to me.  It's too big of a paradigm shift for people who are used to cars and want no more than cars.  I see Ford Fusions everywhere and I think KIa Fortes are probably very reliable.  We know the Asians and Europeans will not exit the car market.  Also, with each refresh, these little Asian cars have gotten a little bit bigger (more comfortable) and feature more advanced technology, such as forward collision alert and avoid.

Agreed! I think if cars were really going away, the Accord and Camry would be in trouble. While sales are down-they are just adjusting production. The only reason we see other auto makers dumping them is that they were never really in the game to begin with. (granted the Fusion was getting there) The easy way to fix cars is to price them sensibly- just simply have more lower models...there are still folks who do not want it all, or simply want it on price. Keep the Luxury (and prices) on the SUVs/trucks...

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Accord at least is in trouble. Down 42% in 5 years... and haven't seen what 2020 is doing to date.

 

EDIT : 31% decline, not 42%. See chart a few posts down.
2020 is looking dismal, tho.

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5 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

I guess I'm the exception here.  I don't want super expensive iron because it costs more in every way - to purchase, to insure, to feed, to repair.  And, it's probably extra traumatic when you get a door ding.  Very expensive and exotic cars are for those who are ridiculously rich and those for whom they are "must have" items.

I guess my maximum "allowance" for a car is adjusted each year for current purchasing power.  I look for a car that both appeals to me, since I don't care what others think, and is durable.  (I got flack for driving GM cars in CA when I was in college and right after it while in the workforce in that same area, as in "eww," but expressed middle finger sentiments to critics in a more roundabout way.)  Right now, I'd say my top end for a (new) vehicle would be about $ 29 K.

You’re talking to someone who until recently had a 17, 16 and 14 year old car. I’m as cheap as they come...brought up that way, and forced to be cheap as well....

Even my current “newies  ” (20 Trax, 19 Nox) are base models. The LS models have just enough of what I need, but still cheap enough to keep after the lease. 

Besides, I’d rather to enjoy other stuff in life, and throw in a classic ride too.

Being cheap is good. 🙂 

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15 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Accord at least is in trouble. Down 42% in 5 years... and haven't seen what 2020 is doing to date.

Your right, the accord is crashing based on the sales numbers database. Still strong but clearly down big time.

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Through August, Accord has sold 125,142 cars to date. With only 4 months left and 10's of thousands expected to be laid off by just the airlines industry alone as the loans ends for keeping them on the payroll, I suspect the last 4 months ARE NOT going to make up the 142,425 that will be needed in sales to equal 2019 sales. I suspect they might get close to 200,000 but would not be surprised based on the average numbers right now if they end up in the 190,000 plus range.

Seems that the Accord peaked in 1990 with 417,000 plus Accords sold and then has gone down since. Clearly they still have figured out how to make money unlike the US brands.

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Full details at the link below.

https://carsalesbase.com/us-honda-accord/

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1 hour ago, daves87rs said:

You’re talking to someone who until recently had a 17, 16 and 14 year old car. I’m as cheap as they come...brought up that way, and forced to be cheap as well....

Besides, I’d rather to enjoy other stuff in life, and throw in a classic ride too.

Being cheap is good. 

Bingo.  Ditto.  For the most part.  My parents believed in spending a little more, not a ton more, to get quality and make things last.

I had to be cheap to be able to go back to grad school and change course.  It changed how I view spending money.

My last car went 16 years, but in a moderate climate, though.  My current one is up to 12 and then some.

The only "vice" I have is travel, and I'm cheap there, too, checking and rechecking the web for airfares, lodging, rental cars, and frequent flyer account promotions that rack up miles for things you'd have to pay for anyway on a trip.

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1 hour ago, David said:

Your right, the accord is crashing based on the sales numbers database. Still strong but clearly down big time.

https://carsalesbase.com/us-honda-accord/

The Accord has become ungainly and bloated.  Between the two of them, I think the Camry is nicer, even though they should do something about its grille.

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Even though the Camry has a face only a mother would love, I still like the car over the Accord.....

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So sad when train operators do not pay attention to the right rail they are supposed to take, as such you end up with millions of dollars of damage and some people new auto's destroyed. Seems Ford will have some auto's to deal with as a Ford Explorer and Lincoln Navigator appear to be totaled. All the crushed auto's appear towards the end of the video, but clearly another bridge hit one of the train cars which must have been taller than the others since damage already appeared before hitting this low bridge.

Shocked that in this modern time, we still have so many old train bridges that do not work with newer train cars.

 

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Two same year, same model pickups that are also very different, but beauties all the same. I'd take either in a heartbeat.

 

'56 Chevrolet 3100 4x4 NapCo

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'56 Chevrolet 3100

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7 hours ago, David said:

Interesting, @Robert Hall take a look and let me know if you agree with what they say about Jeeps.

https://blog.cheapism.com/jeep-pros-and-cons/

That article seems primarily about Wranglers, but some is definitely applicable to my experience w/ 20 years of driving GCs...they are great all-weather vehicles, solid,  and have good HVAC systems.  I wouldn't say they are simple--lots of complex electronics esp. on the newer ones.   And unlike Wranglers, GCs are very good on long road trips. 

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1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

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Jumanji!!!

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Random thought ...

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... a very random thought.

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Ribs 🤤🤤🤤

 

Pork 🤤🤤🤤

 

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I like the color, looks great with black rims and black grill.

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That body style has grown a lot on me. I LOVE it in certain trims and that's one of them. 

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That is the best looking version of that truck, still take the GMC over Chevrolet.

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3 hours ago, balthazar said:

HNNGGH.
'20 Silverado 1500 RST Crew Cab / Standard Bed, inline 6 turbo-diesel / 10-spd. Rated 23/29 MPG.

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• Sunroof (don't want),
• leather seating (don't want),
• 22-in rims (would prefer 20s, tho these do look awesome),
• Trailer brake controller (yes),
• NO 'safety Group (YES!),
• Convenience Package II [Universal Home Remote, rear sliding power window, 120-V power outlet, 120-V bed-mounted power outlet, Chevrolet Infotainment System with 8"  touch-screen, SiriusXM Radio, HD radio/ HD Rear Vision Camera, Bose Premium Sound System]
•  All Star package [ includes Convenience Package I [dual-zone automatic climate control, 10-way power driver seat including power lumbar, heated driver / passenger seats, leather-wrapped steering wheel, heated steering wheel, manual tilt/telescoping steering column, Rear Seat with Storage Package) ] PLUS locking rear differential & trailering package.

$52,700.

There ya go! Done deal!

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12 hours ago, David said:

So sad when train operators do not pay attention to the right rail they are supposed to take, as such you end up with millions of dollars of damage and some people new auto's destroyed. Seems Ford will have some auto's to deal with as a Ford Explorer and Lincoln Navigator appear to be totaled. All the crushed auto's appear towards the end of the video, but clearly another bridge hit one of the train cars which must have been taller than the others since damage already appeared before hitting this low bridge.

Shocked that in this modern time, we still have so many old train bridges that do not work with newer train cars.

 

Someone in dispatched effd up.  That's not the engineer's fault.

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On 9/16/2020 at 10:36 AM, surreal1272 said:

I’m certain for some folks, there is but honestly new cars are a terrible investment. There’s a reason why used car sales have taken off over the last decade or so. To each their own though. If someone wants to splurge $100K on a new car, more power to them. You only live once, after all. 

In my case used truck market, prices so clsoe to new made sense to buy new. 

 

Love this modified Jeep...

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@David  No apologies for being a carnivore.  Have a tough time with ribs.  Strange consistency and aftertaste.  Better than most lamb, though. Have never ordered them.  Will accept them upon entering and exiting a supermarket when they will give out free samples (going forward, that'll be the day).  Great photos, by the way.

For meat, I'm all about the types they serve at Brazilian steakhouses (the different sirloins and the filet mignon) but that's a quarterly event, at best.  I'm learning to eat more poultry and I now enjoy fish a lot, which I detested as a kid.

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4 hours ago, USA-1 said:

There ya go! Done deal!

Did you miss the part where the price begins with a '5'? Ugh.

Guess what the 72-monthly is WITH my trade in? That also begins with a '5'. Ugh, again.

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This thing is a monkey, and I like monkeys.

 

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'63 Studebaker Lark R-2. Rare machine, factory supercharged, full factory spec verified via engine teardown, runs a best of 12.2 @ 114 MPH.

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2 hours ago, balthazar said:

Did you miss the part where the price begins with a '5'? Ugh.

Guess what the 72-monthly is WITH my trade in? That also begins with a '5'. Ugh, again.

Dude, that's a pretty well equipped new truck though. So $50k+ that isn't bad when the new Sierra Denali's are $68k-$75k. 22's are still spendy wheels and if factory 22's you can basically double the price of aftermarket ones. 

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2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

 

This thing is a monkey, and I like monkeys.

 

"Mud & Sand"...more like "Water & Puddles" for city dwellers :D

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42 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

So $50k+ that isn't bad when the new Sierra Denali's are $68k-$75k.

Right, but this is an RST; there's still an LTZ and a High Country above this one.

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3 hours ago, ocnblu said:

 

This thing is a monkey, and I like monkeys.

 

Not going to lie, it’s funky, kinda like it....

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45 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Right, but this is an RST; there's still an LTZ and a High Country above this one.

Before discounts LTZ with I-6 Dmax is $58k, HC with Dmax $60k-$62k and fully loaded HC with 6.2L and everything are pushing $67K. Remember the I-6 Dmax is a $2,500 option.

I know it's crazy!

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^ 6.6L Duramax is a $10,200 option!!

I'm seeing different prices for the 3.0L. Looking at a '20 Sierra and the sticker says the 3.0L is $3890, but the same dealer is offering a "diesel special" of $1500 off- bringing it down to $2390.

I thought I just read this month that GM was dropping the 3.0L's cost by $1500... but now I can't find that online.

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And here I am as a base truck guy....though the engines are nice for towing!! 🙂 

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41 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

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It's a decent enough blue.  Weird that, with those blues, of which there are quite a few these days, they do not allow a tan interior.  That combo looks good.

I was going to say the dashboard and cabin look good.  A lot going on in that pod over at the left with the air vent.  But, overall, nice.

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13 hours ago, ocnblu said:

 

This thing is a monkey, and I like monkeys.

 

I certainly don't hate it as much as I probably "should". 

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I will have to admit that I always watch those "bear in someone's back yard" videos ... more than once.  It's probably the only dangerous animal for which people minimize how dangerous it is.  We idealistically think it will go on eating its berries from the berry patch and leave us humans alone.

This was in a Boston suburb.  Bears seem to like pools and hot tubs, too.  This was a younger bear.  That's why it scampered off the way it did.

(note:  look toward the end, the bear seems to come back for a while)

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1 hour ago, trinacriabob said:

It's a decent enough blue.  Weird that, with those blues, of which there are quite a few these days, they do not allow a tan interior.  That combo looks good.

I was going to say the dashboard and cabin look good.  A lot going on in that pod over at the left with the air vent.  But, overall, nice.

Yeah, tan interior options would be nice..I don't like the 50 shades of gray or black interiors..The current dash design is very similar to that of the '14-18 generation. 

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Whoo - that IS a bad influence!

Understood, but I can't help reminding readers I last bought a truck 61 years ago tomorrow.

14 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

The current dash design is very similar to that of the '14-18 generation. 

Same model line, so that's logical.

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16 hours ago, balthazar said:

Did you miss the part where the price begins with a '5'? Ugh.

Guess what the 72-monthly is WITH my trade in? That also begins with a '5'. Ugh, again.

Get one of those Pandemic business loans that they will forgive and use it to get you a new truck to keep working. :) 

4 hours ago, balthazar said:

^ 6.6L Duramax is a $10,200 option!!

I'm seeing different prices for the 3.0L. Looking at a '20 Sierra and the sticker says the 3.0L is $3890, but the same dealer is offering a "diesel special" of $1500 off- bringing it down to $2390.

I thought I just read this month that GM was dropping the 3.0L's cost by $1500... but now I can't find that online.

Here is what I found about the price cuts for diesel.

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/09/08/chevy-silverado-gmc-sierra-diesel-price-cut/

 

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3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

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Crewcab standard bed RST with the 6.2 liter and 10-speed - $52,310

I like the Trail Boss package, but wish it has the monochromatic look of the RST.

My biggest pet peeve is the drab interiors of Chevrolet. Jet Black or this blah multi grey interior just sucks IMHO.

Why not a tan or a lovely mocha brown interior. Options GM, Need BETTER OPTIONS for interior colors.

2 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

I will have to admit that I always watch those "bear in someone's back yard" videos ... more than once.  It's probably the only dangerous animal for which people minimize how dangerous it is.  We idealistically think it will go on eating its berries from the berry patch and leave us humans alone.

This was in a Boston suburb.  Bears seem to like pools and hot tubs, too.  This was a younger bear.  That's why it scampered off the way it did.

(note:  look toward the end, the bear seems to come back for a while)

Saw this video, truly a young bear, looking for food and water. This happens yearly here in the greater Seattle suburbs. Gates are required, but seems even a 6 foot gate does not keep the bears out. Very scary for sure for the humans who under estimate the bears.

2 hours ago, balthazar said:

YOU JUST BOUGHT A (basically) BRAND NEW TRUCK LIKE 38 MINUTES AGO!
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I think that Northsky Blue is my favorite. I love black, but I think I'd pass on it.
The Red Tintcoat is very nice, but I'm not a bright vehicle color guy.
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'20 Sierra Elevation in Carbon Black, Crew Cab / Standard Bed, 3.0L TD :

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That is a sharp looking truck, way nicer looking IMHO than the Chevy.

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16 hours ago, ocnblu said:

 

This thing is a monkey, and I like monkeys.

 

I prefer a car fit for humans....this is fit for a Money, Kia Soul fit for a hamster. Please bring me a car for humans...

Amazing the difference between a crappy SUV and a real off road vehicle. 

 

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2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I KNOW! THAT'S WHY I SAID YOU'RE A BAD INFLUENCE! 

I love my truck, but I can't help looking. 

I honestly think your truck looks way better than the current Chevrolet design. Go GMC is how I would direct people right now, way better looking truck.

Over all, Love your Avalanche! :lovey:

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On 9/16/2020 at 8:00 PM, ocnblu said:

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I like her better than the car.....!

2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I KNOW! THAT'S WHY I SAID YOU'RE A BAD INFLUENCE! 

I love my truck, but I can't help looking. 

Don't feel bad, I am looking at Wranglers and wodnering about the upcoming Bronco. 

2 hours ago, balthazar said:

YOU JUST BOUGHT A (basically) BRAND NEW TRUCK LIKE 38 MINUTES AGO!
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I think that Northsky Blue is my favorite. I love black, but I think I'd pass on it.
The Red Tintcoat is very nice, but I'm not a bright vehicle color guy.
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'20 Sierra Elevation in Carbon Black, Crew Cab / Standard Bed, 3.0L TD :

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I really like the looks of the new GMC. Alot. 

13 hours ago, balthazar said:

Right, but this is an RST; there's still an LTZ and a High Country above this one.

I just bought a new truck, as did Drew...cmon...join the club!

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The Gladiator at about 9:46 is amazing. 

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40 minutes ago, David said:

I honestly think your truck looks way better than the current Chevrolet design. Go GMC is how I would direct people right now, way better looking truck.

Over all, Love your Avalanche! :lovey:

I like the Chevys as long as they're not overloaded with chrome.  So the RST and the High Country work for me.

The opposite is true at GMC.... Denali all the way baby, although the Elevations and AT4s are great looking too. 

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1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I like the Chevys as long as they're not overloaded with chrome.  So the RST and the High Country work for me.

The opposite is true at GMC.... Denali all the way baby, although the Elevations and AT4s are great looking too. 

Agree on Denali. 

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6 hours ago, balthazar said:

^ 6.6L Duramax is a $10,200 option!!

I'm seeing different prices for the 3.0L. Looking at a '20 Sierra and the sticker says the 3.0L is $3890, but the same dealer is offering a "diesel special" of $1500 off- bringing it down to $2390.

I thought I just read this month that GM was dropping the 3.0L's cost by $1500... but now I can't find that online.

Yeah, the 6.6L Dmax package includes the Allison trans. as well though.

I'm seeing different pricing on the I-6 Dmax here as well. On the sticker an LTZ and HC with the Dmax is $995 option, but an RST Dmax is $2,390 option...THEN an LT RWD Dmax is $3,890. Looks like there's def. some padding in the higher trims. But, THEN you look at the RST, LTZ, HC even LT TB with 6.2L option and it's $2,495 across the board. WTH?!

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1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I like the Chevys as long as they're not overloaded with chrome.  So the RST and the High Country work for me.

The opposite is true at GMC.... Denali all the way baby, although the Elevations and AT4s are great looking too. 

Very true. The Silverado LTZ they chrome the bumper and lower trim as well as the grille...WAY too much chrome. I agree, GMC does it right with the Denali, the in your face chrome grille works because they have the bumper the body color. Body color bumpers or all black like the TB are the way to go. Sierra AT4 for me, body color bumpers and black chrome grille, looks sick.

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As I drive around, I think it is obnoxious for dealerships to have placed a decal or emblem on the trunk lid or rear door of a vehicle you may have bought from them.  I don't want their decal or emblem on my vehicle - on the paint surface - doing free advertising for them. 

They can give me their dealership license plate frames. I can then decide what to do with them.  I typically decide not to put them on the car at all.  Less is more.

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The old metal dealer badges from the '60s-70s are kind of neat..it's always interesting too when the badge is quite far from where it's spotted...my Jeep has a Bill Luke Phoenix badge on the back (where I bought it from).   I've thought about getting an Orange Coast Jeep Costa Mesa license plate frame as that is where it was originally sold new. 

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My local CJRD dealer here in Cleveland is Spitzer, they now have plastic badges, but they used to have metal ones, with this neat font (which they still use today):

 

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I like the AT4 look but the 2” lift is a deal breaker for me. Also like that there is a LTZ for those that want it; i like chrome just fine.

I’ve looked occasionally for a license frame from either my ‘59 or ‘64. ‘59 came from a small PA dealer (Pollino Buick-Pontiac) already gone by 1990, ‘64 came from a huge Chicago dealer (Grossinger Pontiac), now a conglomerate dealer, but neither the lil guy or the giant seems to have hardly advertised at all back in the day. Never seen a plate frame ever.

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On 9/16/2020 at 1:16 PM, ykX said:

This doesn't feel like auto enthusiast forum, more like Consumer Reports forum ... :) 

People don't get on automotive forums to be happy....they go on them to be miserable. Want to find a group of guys who really don't like Mustangs...go to the Mustang forums...lots of guys bitching there.  People really don't want to be happy, and often they alck the emotional security to be happy regardless of what life brings them. 

2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I like the Chevys as long as they're not overloaded with chrome.  So the RST and the High Country work for me.

The opposite is true at GMC.... Denali all the way baby, although the Elevations and AT4s are great looking too. 

 

I love all three trucks, the Rubicon, the super duty, and the Chevy. they Chevy looks damn near perfect just like THAT IMHO.  Also, the super duty with the bigger tires and lift is just the bomb. 

50 minutes ago, trinacriabob said:

As I drive around, I think it is obnoxious for dealerships to have placed a decal or emblem on the trunk lid or rear door of a vehicle you may have bought from them.  I don't want their decal or emblem on my vehicle - on the paint surface - doing free advertising for them. 

They can give me their dealership license plate frames. I can then decide what to do with them.  I typically decide not to put them on the car at all.  Less is more.

Agree on less is more.  While I had flags on the roof of my MINI Cooper S, I decided not to put stripes on my 70 Chevelle or 71 Chevelle, or either of my Miatas.  I like a really clean look with any vehicle. More and more I just like all black, including the rims. 

35 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

The old metal dealer badges from the '60s-70s are kind of neat..it's always interesting too when the badge is quite far from where it's spotted...my Jeep has a Bill Luke Phoenix badge on the back (where I bought it from).   I've thought about getting an Orange Coast Jeep Costa Mesa license plate frame as that is where it was originally sold new. 

s-l300.jpg

 

My local CJRD dealer here in Cleveland is Spitzer, they now have plastic badges, but they used to have metal ones, with this neat font (which they still use today):

 

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I love that retro font. Design in many ways was so much better in the 1950's. 

1 hour ago, USA-1 said:

Yeah, the 6.6L Dmax package includes the Allison trans. as well though.

I'm seeing different pricing on the I-6 Dmax here as well. On the sticker an LTZ and HC with the Dmax is $995 option, but an RST Dmax is $2,390 option...THEN an LT RWD Dmax is $3,890. Looks like there's def. some padding in the higher trims. But, THEN you look at the RST, LTZ, HC even LT TB with 6.2L option and it's $2,495 across the board. WTH?!

Allison trans would push me towards GM were I to buy a diesel truck. 

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5 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

The current dash design is very similar to that of the '14-18 generation. 

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It really isn't, if you sat in both back to back you'd see the obvious differences. The dash layout is different, the center stack is more spread out in the '19 - current T1XX and it's slightly taller with a longer, flatter front. It also has new buttons, dials and switches and totally new steering wheel. I prefer the center stack of my '18 K2XX right now. It'll all grow on me, but it is noticeably different.

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On 9/17/2020 at 8:15 AM, David said:

Jumanji!!!

One of the guys I used to autocross with had a huge collection of restored vingage bicycles. Was really cool. Haven't seen that dude for years. 

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2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

People don't get on automotive forums to be happy....they go on them to be miserable. Want to find a group of guys who really don't like Mustangs...go to the Mustang forums...lots of guys bitching there.  People really don't want to be happy, and often they alck the emotional security to be happy regardless of what life brings them. 

 

I love all three trucks, the Rubicon, the super duty, and the Chevy. they Chevy looks damn near perfect just like THAT IMHO.  Also, the super duty with the bigger tires and lift is just the bomb. 

Neat..I've been to Tincup...drove that pass with my WJ GC about 20 years ago.  The comment about people being miserable reminds me of the Gin Blossoms album New Miserable Experience.  

I'm on several FB forums for Jeep Grand Cherokees, and it seems 90% of the posts are about upgrading headlights, how to blackout the chrome trim, bigger tires, and diagnosing the check engine light...pretty dull mostly. 

3 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

It really isn't, if you sat in both back to back you'd see the obvious differences. The dash layout is different, the center stack is more spread out in the '19 - current T1XX and it's slightly taller with a longer, flatter front. It also has new buttons, dials and switches and totally new steering wheel. I prefer the center stack of my '18 K2XX right now. It'll all grow on me, but it is noticeably different.

 

 

They look way more similar than different in those two photos...even the steering wheel looks very similar. 

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2 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

diagnosing the check engine light...

 

They look way more similar than different in those two photos...even the steering wheel looks very similar. 

 

That's common for Jeeps I hear LOL!!  My cousin has a Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon.

 

I mean like @balthazar stated it's the same model. It's hard to change too much on a layout engineers have worked on perfecting for decades.

What do you want the steering wheel in the middle of the dash?! :roflmao:

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7 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

 

What do you want the steering wheel in the middle of the dash?! :roflmao:

Or the aircraft style controls seen on some '60s concept cars...or the wrist band steering..

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