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1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

It has it now with the latest version of uconnect. I think the year it got the facelift would have it. I’d have to look it up. This reminds me that I need to write my review of it.

2019 for the Cherokee, it looks like according to Wikipedia. With the facelift it got UConnect 4 with Apple Car Play and Android Auto.   Looks like the Grand Cherokee got that for 2018. 

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8 minutes ago, balthazar said:

See- I mostly look at them as a source of big cube motors. I owned a running '72 Riviera boattail; white, black vinyl half roof, 455, black interior - had been smacked in the rear quarter. It was totally fixable if one got a new quarter... but I was only thinking of putting it's 455/th400 into my '59. I line a '59 coupe next to a '72 Riviera, and I almost can't focus on the '72.
 

72 Riv.jpg

In a relative sense....yes...50's and 60's iron is better. Compared to the Kia Sedona we had as a rental for our Michigan Debate trip...that Riviera is a Bugatti or a Bentley by comparison.

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11 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

It has it now with the latest version of uconnect. I think the year it got the facelift would have it. I’d have to look it up. This reminds me that I need to write my review of it.

So it's not until 2018's then? That's a bummer. 

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1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

So it's not until 2018's then? That's a bummer. 

2019s. But they've been building them since about July.

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25 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

2019s. But they've been building them since about July.

Dang,

On another note, have you heard anybody with any Carvana experience? It's a really interesting process but it just seems so odd to order a used car without any pictures of it right up front. 

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1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

Dang,

On another note, have you heard anybody with any Carvana experience? It's a really interesting process but it just seems so odd to order a used car without any pictures of it right up front. 

Friend of mine got his Cooper through them. He was really happy with the service. Handles the trade and all.

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27 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Friend of mine got his Cooper through them. He was really happy with the service. Handles the trade and all.

Yeah I see some things that interest me but the whole process starting without any actual pictures is intimidating to me. Also, their prices seem much better than most anywhere  else so it's hard to believe. Pretty much any vehicle that is priced "too good to be true" is exactly that. 

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OK.... so getting a flickering budgetary green light over here at Rancho Balthy, so I headed up the road & was soon sitting in an all black '19 Silverado 1500 LT. And I got a shiny brochure I can lay on the floor on my belly, kick my feet around & read.

The Good ::
• that rear seat 'storage' bulkhead is only attached to the floor with a couple screws & will pop right out. Hopefully there's no sensors for the rear belts, as I would yank the rear seat ASAP.
• The rear of the crew cab is huge- must be about 6" deeper than my '04.
• Most configurations don't have the stupid, space-wasting console / console shifter, thank god.
• Interior is NOT filled with as much soft-touchy-feely materials that have decidedly less durability as I was afraid of. I hate it when car people try & dictate what truck people should have/want.
• Front seat room & comfort is pretty good, IMO.
• I had no issues with exterior visison/site lines (tho the rearview is kinda small), but will be better able to tell on a test drive.
• Dealer can install larger rims; I was wondering of the different diameter tires would be a computer issue. Guess they can reflash.

The Questionable ::
• Bed is deeper than mine & other generations, to the point I would look at the costs to LOWER the truck a few inches.

• The 2nd upper glove box is basically useless because the vertical box's rear 'wall' is the door- I don't have any idea what you'd put in there that wouldn't tumble out. Your only going to use about 20% of it's volume. Should have open down like a drawbridge.
• There's no lower dash cubbies or ashtray. I don't smoke, but I like cubbies.
• I'd love to see Chevy / GMC incorporate a MUCH larger slider rear window. I have to tip my hat- the tundra models where the entire rear window goes down flush is a fantastic idea (maybe the tundra's ONLY good idea, ever).

In this limited exposure, it looks pretty good. Will stop in the GMC dealer soon and see how fingerprinty I can get a few Sierras

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17 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Yeah I see some things that interest me but the whole process starting without any actual pictures is intimidating to me. Also, their prices seem much better than most anywhere  else so it's hard to believe. Pretty much any vehicle that is priced "too good to be true" is exactly that. 

What do you mean no pictures? Most of them that I've seen have pictures. 

3 minutes ago, balthazar said:

OK.... so getting a flickering budgetary green light over here at Rancho Balthy, so I headed up the road & was soon sitting in an all black '19 Silverado 1500 LT. And I got a shiny brochure I can lay on the floor on my belly, kick my feet around & read.
 

Having met you, the mental picture of this is hilarious. 

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27 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

What do you mean no pictures? Most of them that I've seen have pictures. 

After looking at more vehicles some are and some aren't real pictures of the vehicle but this was one that caught my eye. 

Carvana Pic.PNG

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2 hours ago, balthazar said:

There's no lower dash cubbies or ashtray. I don't smoke, but I like cubbies.

Cool!  Hey you have your center armrest storage, plus IIRC there is another storage area under the center seat cushion (I will need to double check on that).

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According to a June 2017 number, there are 16,812 dealerships (of all makes) in the U.S..

Take a guess at how many dealerships of just GM had at the peak.

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GM alone probably had at least that many dealers.  I remember as a kid in 1980 every little town in my area in Ohio had a new car dealer or two it seemed.  Anecdotal, but probably similar across the country.  Today dealers seem to be concentrated in larger locations, corporate owned chains, and auto mall locations close to major cities and freeways. 

Of course, there were a lot more stores period back then, not just more car dealerships.   Doesn't seem that long ago since it's within my lifetime, but nearly 40 years!  

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For Drew...PRR Action!

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2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

For Drew...PRR Action!

My favorite steam loco of all is the PRR T1. I have a pencil drawing of it in my office at home.

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19 hours ago, ccap41 said:

After looking at more vehicles some are and some aren't real pictures of the vehicle but this was one that caught my eye. 

Carvana Pic.PNG

Not a fan of not seeing the real picture till after I start the commit process. Nope not gonna happen. Tells me they have things to hide.

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4 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Not a fan of not seeing the real picture till after I start the commit process. Nope not gonna happen. Tells me they have things to hide.

Most of the ones I've seen have pictures.

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8 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Not a fan of not seeing the real picture till after I start the commit process. Nope not gonna happen. Tells me they have things to hide.

I agree that not seeing it isn't ideal buuuuut they do reassure you that you're not stuck paying for it to see it. There is a $100 refundable down payment to "order" the vehicle. It seems like a very odd and relatively simply process but it's a car and not a toy car and almost seems too simple and easy. 

Here's the link and you can look around the page for yourself. It's interesting. 

https://www.carvana.com/details/1192593

6 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Most of the ones I've seen have pictures.

Yeah, I didn't realize that after I found this one without. All of their pictures "from afar" look the same as they use the same background for everything so I didn't realize this was an anomaly and not the norm.

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11 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I agree that not seeing it isn't ideal buuuuut they do reassure you that you're not stuck paying for it to see it. There is a $100 refundable down payment to "order" the vehicle. It seems like a very odd and relatively simply process but it's a car and not a toy car and almost seems too simple and easy. 

Here's the link and you can look around the page for yourself. It's interesting. 

https://www.carvana.com/details/1192593

Yeah, I didn't realize that after I found this one without. All of their pictures "from afar" look the same as they use the same background for everything so I didn't realize this was an anomaly and not the norm.

Thanks CCAP41, I looked around. Interesting concept. For the Amazon type buyers, this should work. For me, I like to see it before even putting a dollar down. Very different way of buying, that is for sure.

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All these hyper and super cars from Geneva Auto show that are in multi millions don't even excite me anymore.  Yes, they are hyper, super cars that can do incredible things at the incredible prices and will be bought by a few hyper rich that will never drive them in anger.  Most people will not see them even on the street.

At least cars like Corvettes and Porsches while expensive are not that expensive that most people will not be able to buy them, maybe as a second or third owner.   But these Hyper cars will never be accessible to pretty much anyone.

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4 minutes ago, ykX said:

All these hyper and super cars from Geneva Auto show that are in multi millions don't even excite me anymore.  Yes, they are hyper, super cars that can do incredible things at the incredible prices and will be bought by a few hyper rich that will never drive them in anger.  Most people will not see them even on the street. 

They are so boring and predictable...they all look like they were drawn by boys going through puberty or something out of a cheesy sci-fi show.  And they always catch on fire.    Just carbon fiber toys....

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27 minutes ago, ykX said:

All these hyper and super cars from Geneva Auto show that are in multi millions don't even excite me anymore.  Yes, they are hyper, super cars that can do incredible things at the incredible prices and will be bought by a few hyper rich that will never drive them in anger.  Most people will not see them even on the street.

At least cars like Corvettes and Porsches while expensive are not that expensive that most people will not be able to buy them, maybe as a second or third owner.   But these Hyper cars will never be accessible to pretty much anyone.

Agreed. I much rather a real Porsche any day... in fact, probably an older one.

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It does suck. The whole hyper car thing has lost my interest as well. I give them about a 10 second look and them move on. I'm legitimately more interested in a Camaro/Mustang than almost any hyper car. the first batch of 3(P1, La Ferrari, 918) were epic and pretty cars but they've morphed into street legal(some) race cars without much for interiors and wings and flaps everywhere.. They just don't look good anymore. 

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