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3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

You make it sound like they didn't already pay for the service up front... 

While annoying, I get it. They paid for that. Why pay two times for charging?

Because it isn't in the spirit of what Supercharging is about... and the typical increase in household electrical cost is $30 - $40 a month.

I don't know what your hourly rate is, but spending an 4 - 6 hours a month charging at a supercharger just to avoid a $40 increase in my electrical bill is not a good use of my time. Heck, double it.... it's not enough to avoid $80 a month increase.  I've paid $40 just to avoid the 30 minutes it takes me to do my lawn. Tesla owners are richer than I am. 

The Supercharger network is there to facilitate long distance driving in your Telsa. 

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15 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Because it isn't in the spirit of what Supercharging is about... and the typical increase in household electrical cost is $30 - $40 a month.

I don't know what your hourly rate is, but spending an 4 - 6 hours a month charging at a supercharger just to avoid a $40 increase in my electrical bill is not a good use of my time. Heck, double it.... it's not enough to avoid $80 a month increase.  I've paid $40 just to avoid the 30 minutes it takes me to do my lawn. Tesla owners are richer than I am. 

The Supercharger network is there to facilitate long distance driving in your Telsa. 

"Isn't in the spirit" sounds like a way to just be grumpy about it. 

It's there. It's paid for. There is no reason not to use them, as long as it's still convenient to the user. Once it isn't convenient, I see no point in it. 

It doesn't really matter when it costs at home. If Tesla didn't package their supercharger network into the price of their cars...I would get it more. 

It is there to facilitate long distance traveling but all of the ones you see Teslas hoarded around are ones "around town". 

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Well, I know if I was a Tesla owner, I wouldn't be doing that.  It's a waste of time. Time is money. It's a waste of money.

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You don't know why they are in the area. They could be perfectly convenient for them to charge up 45 minutes while eating or shopping. 

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2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

You don't know why they are in the area. They could be perfectly convenient for them to charge up 45 minutes while eating or shopping. 

And that's fine.  But I'm talking about the people who hog up superchargers to avoid charging at home.  It's a documented problem that Telsa has actually taken steps to mitigate. 

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33 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

"Isn't in the spirit" sounds like a way to just be grumpy about it. 

It's there. It's paid for. There is no reason not to use them, as long as it's still convenient to the user. Once it isn't convenient, I see no point in it. 

It doesn't really matter when it costs at home. If Tesla didn't package their supercharger network into the price of their cars...I would get it more. 

It is there to facilitate long distance traveling but all of the ones you see Teslas hoarded around are ones "around town". 

Have you ever heard the expression "time is money". I believe that is what Drew is getting at while you accuse him of being "grumpy".

 

Edit: Disregard as I just saw that Drew covered the "time is money" aspect. Carry on lol. 

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Just now, surreal1272 said:

Have you ever heard the expression "time is money". I believe that is what Drew is getting at while you accuse him of being "grumpy".

I work a full time job and I also do consulting for private clients.  I know what my hourly rate is and I keep that in mind for tasks that I don't like doing. I even keep it in mind for laying on the couch doing nothing, as relaxation has a value to me also. The savings has got to be a lot higher than $10 an hour for me to go out of my way to Supercharge for free. 

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18 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I work a full time job and I also do consulting for private clients.  I know what my hourly rate is and I keep that in mind for tasks that I don't like doing. I even keep it in mind for laying on the couch doing nothing, as relaxation has a value to me also. The savings has got to be a lot higher than $10 an hour for me to go out of my way to Supercharge for free. 

I understand and can relate to that 100%.

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22 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I've tried this one out already. BMW lent me one for a day (it's nice to know people).  I picked this one because it is a 1,200, but it is under 500 lbs, so it can go on a Mototote to let me drag it down to Florida without having to get a trailer. It's basically the most powerful bike under 500 lbs that I can find... plus, I love the way it looks.  I'm not a big fan of V-twins. I took an Indian out for a day and I just don't like the lumpiness of it. 

One of the smoothest I found was the Honda CB1100 EX, but it's over the 500lbs limit. 

edit: I also have gorilla arms, so I can do a really long reach 

:worthless:

 

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So much talk about electrics on a  "random thoughts" thread. Shhhh...better be careful folks.😎

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23 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Now who's the troll...

Probably you. 😎

 

Now show me any part of what I said that wasn’t the truth. At least I try to troll with facts. 

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36 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Time absolutely is money. Ive dedicated some thought to this, and a few of the things I do as standard practice is: I drive my vehicle down to empty, and fuel it to the brim. I also never count coin change when I buy something for cash. Less time spent worrying/doing those things. 

I hate coin change...so I try and avoid using cash whenever possible...but I still end up w/ a lot of change in my cupholders and center console bin..   I drive down to 1/8th tank then fill up when home in the burbs, on road trips I'll let it get down to half a tank if it's an unfamiliar area..

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6 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Those are just the public charging points. Most people charge up at home (except the Tesla Supercharger leaches). 

While true, it might be tough for those who live in condos and apartments. In my case I have a 240 in the garage ready to go for my future EV. 🙂 

But charging at home will be nice, though I get the feeling we will get punished in electric rates since the big cheeses won’t be getting their gas tax cut........

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2 minutes ago, daves87rs said:

While true, it might be tough for those who live in condos and apartments. In my case I have a 240 in the garage ready to go for my future EV. 🙂 

But charging at home will be nice, though I get the feeling we will get punished in electric rates since the big cheeses won’t be getting their gas tax cut........

They'll get you on the vehicle registration side of things rather than your electric rates. 

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18 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

They'll get you on the vehicle registration side of things rather than your electric rates. 

This is so true of the states that follow California CARB. They are figuring in an equal gas tax fee to your yearly auto registration.

Washington state for EVs adds a $150.00 fee onto your auto registration and $75 on top of Hybrids.

The off set to this as some said this is higher than what ICE only auto's pay in gas tax over a 10yr life is that we have no sales tax on EVs and reduced on Hybrid.

https://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicleregistration/altfuelexemptions.html

On August 1, 2019, the sales and use tax exemption was reinstated for the sales of:

  • vehicles powered by a clean alternative fuel
  • certain plug-in hybrids

The exemption applies to dealer and private sales of new, used, and leased vehicles sold on or after August 1, 2019.

  • New vehicle transactions must not exceed $45,000 in price or lease payments.
  • Used vehicles transactions must not exceed $30,000 in price or lease payments.

These price thresholds include both the cost of the vehicle and the value of your trade-in, if applicable.

For example: If the cost of a new vehicle is $48,000, and the value of your trade-in is worth $6,000, you can't receive the tax exemption. Even though the trade-in brought the cost down to $42,000, the new vehicle was still worth over the $45,000 limit. You cannot use a trade-in to lower the price of a vehicle to meet the exemption limits.

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30 minutes ago, balthazar said:

^ Gov't. It's automatic.

And not to worry, soon enough they'll get you on BOTH your registration and your electric bill.

Like they haven't already. . .

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7 hours ago, balthazar said:

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Styling is very subjective, what brand is this hideous design?

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6 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Styling is very subjective, what brand is this hideous design?

1934ish Chrysler Airflow, I believe.   The Airflows were a bold move stylistically, helped usher in streamlined designs amidst the early 30s bricks.

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3 minutes ago, balthazar said:

You haven't seen the infamous Chrysler Airflow before? Controversial design but extremely well engineered.

 

WOW, No I had not ever seen this or hear about it, thanks for the video. Still ugly to me, but WOW, that is AMAZING engineering. Love it! :metal:

Love the off the cliff test and the Suicide doors still work! :D 

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