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I came across this photo.  In an in-demand neighborhood near downtown Atlanta.

I should mention that there were 2 of them parked there, one behind the other.IMG_4546.thumb.JPG.4d11e49df17b165ed749a62f6141ee5c.JPG

Probably a 5.0 L Olds V8.  Could also be had with the Buick 4.1 V6, which also found their way into a small number of Cadillacs in that era as a "credit" option.

Its sibling, the Toro, was less clunky looking and easier on the eyes.

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IMO, the Toro was easily the most awkward of the 3 (sorry, DD!). Riviera is probably the sexiest, but I gravitate to the Eldo in this era.
In '79 at least, the Riv Type S had the 3.8 turbo motor. Not sure how long that was available.

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41 minutes ago, balthazar said:

IMO, the Toro was easily the most awkward of the 3 (sorry, DD!). Riviera is probably the sexiest, but I gravitate to the Eldo in this era.
In '79 at least, the Riv Type S had the 3.8 turbo motor. Not sure how long that was available.

Of the 3, the Riv had a nice real tail lamp assembly.  The grille, called the Parthenon by a reviewer of the '77-'78 model, was too much.

The Toro was clean looking and its price point was more "reasonable."

The Eldo was definitely a big improvement for being a nicely proportioned Cadillac, and also one with clean lines.  I'll agree with you there.  The issue was the price point (higher).  Also, some funky engines that turned out to be problem children found their way into the Eldo during this body style run and that didn't help the car.  When I see a nicely kept one on the road, I really appreciate looking at it.

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Eldorados of this gen were super sharp designs. They may have approached the masterpiece of the 67-70 in purity morseo than any other post-70 Eldorado. 

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I like this era Eldorado too.. but the engines scare me.  Put my 307 in an Eldorado and I'd be there all day.   I like all three and think they all did well representing their various brands, though the Riv is my least favorite of the three as I feel it looks very feminine. I always consider the Seville to be the 4th brother of this trio since it is so closely related, and count it among my favorites too. 

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I never really cared for these. Then and now.  Sorry Drew.

But Id have to agree with Balthy, the Riviera looks best.  I like the way the rear quarter panel on the Riviera is curvy as compared to a straight line in the Toronado and Eldorado.

I prefer the Riviera's front end and grill over the other two, although the Cadillac "face" is pretty too.  I do prefer the Eldorado's rear over the other 2 but the Riviera's rear aint too shabby.  

But something about them I dont like. I do not know what it is. I just dont...like them.  I prefer the G-Body even though the G-Body is lower on the ladder.  What is even more weird is that I prefer the successor models from 1986-1991 over that generation as well.  A 1990 and 1991 Toronado Trofeo would be my ultimate.  

 

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11 hours ago, dfelt said:

Awesome 3 Amigo's! :metal:

@Drew Dowdell Is that a Trumpet I see in the background? If so, what brand and who plays?

Grew up playing trumpet and piano focused on Jazz all the way till college. Then my daughter took the trumpet and piano over. :) 

I used to play in highschool. It's more an ornament now than anything. 

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11 hours ago, dfelt said:

Awesome 3 Amigo's! :metal:

@Drew Dowdell Is that a Trumpet I see in the background? If so, what brand and who plays?

Grew up playing trumpet and piano focused on Jazz all the way till college. Then my daughter took the trumpet and piano over. :) 

 

12 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I used to play in highschool. It's more an ornament now than anything. 

My daughter this year has music as a course. Secondary 3 high school.  Grade 9 if you will for Canucks...or last year in junior high for Americans?   

Anyway, she picked the trumpet to learn. Next week, she has her first concert in the school band. XMAS concert. She is nervous. 

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1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I like this era Eldorado too.. but the engines scare me.  Put my 307 in an Eldorado and I'd be there all day.

‘79-80 is the gas 350, and the ‘81 V8-6-4 is the 500/425/368 family, just disable the fuel shut-off solenoids- those are very solid engines. But after that; yeah (and ‘no’ to the rare diesel 350).

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6 minutes ago, balthazar said:

‘79-80 is the gas 350, and the ‘81 V8-6-4 is the 500/425/368 family, just disable the fuel shut-off solenoids- those are very solid engines. But after that; yeah (and ‘no’ to the rare diesel 350).

Gas 350 (3-speed automatic) would be the only combo. 
'81 V8-6-4 (disabling the solenoids can cause transmission issues). I'd rather find a working 8-6-4 and keep it clean with frequent oil changes.

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• I had my info wrong and the gas 368 came out in '80.
• I've read more than one account of owner's pulled the solenoids and having it run fine for years. THM350 is non-electronic; it should have zero issues. In '82 it went to the THM325 4-spd, that I could see maybe having some effect, but haven't read anything there either way.
• Were I spending discretionary cash here, I'd probably swap out the power train for something with more scoot. Maybe a built 368 / 4-spd OD with a better rear than 2.19:1. Would also be sorely tempted to go with a ETC here.

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Always liked the styling of the E-bodies of that era, particularly the sharp-edged Eldos.    

I wouldn't mind having an Eldo Biarritz convertible in S. Florida as a winter cruiser.

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5 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I used to play in highschool. It's more an ornament now than anything. 

I bet you could still get a decent buzz on those lips now! ;) :D 

3 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Always liked the styling of the E-bodies of that era, particularly the sharp-edged Eldos.    

I wouldn't mind having an Eldo Biarritz convertible in S. Florida as a winter cruiser.

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Imagine putting in a modern power train package from GM Performance crate systems. That would makes these cars fly! :D 

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3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

 

Imagine putting in a modern power train package from GM Performance crate systems. That would makes these cars fly! :D 

I wonder how much torque the stock transmission/transaxle could handle...  

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31 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I bet you could still get a decent buzz on those lips now! ;) :D 

Imagine putting in a modern power train package from GM Performance crate systems. That would makes these cars fly! :D 

.... into a tree...  

 

The suspensions aren't up to it. 

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6 hours ago, balthazar said:

‘79-80 is the gas 350, and the ‘81 V8-6-4 is the 500/425/368 family, just disable the fuel shut-off solenoids- those are very solid engines. But after that; yeah (and ‘no’ to the rare diesel 350).

Solid in which way?  Cast iron block-heads?  Are there 3 variants of V8-6-4 which start out with those different displacements?  I always assumed the numbers would look "different."

I could have sworn I saw some late Eldos with this body style with a rectangular badge saying 4100 toward the end, maybe 1983 and 1984.  There was a Lebanese guy who had a beautiful Eldo of this vintage in tri-dark/medium blue:  body color (metallic) - vinyl roof - leather seating.

@Robert Hall

For some reason, the burgundy leather interior in an upscale white GM convertible just worked.  That combo sort of owned that era.

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7 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I like this era Eldorado too.. but the engines scare me.  Put my 307 in an Eldorado and I'd be there all day.   I like all three and think they all did well representing their various brands, though the Riv is my least favorite of the three as I feel it looks very feminine. I always consider the Seville to be the 4th brother of this trio since it is so closely related, and count it among my favorites too. 

The fact that they chose the Olds 307 (5.0) V8 to power some of the latest and biggest Cadillac Fleetwood Broughams speaks to how good the engine is.  When I would drive my parents' cars with 5.7 liter and 4.3 liter Olds V8s over those concrete bridges in California with all the balustrades, I would lower the passenger window to hear the beautiful sound those engines made echo back at me, providing it was a rural road and there wasn't much/any traffic.

@oldshurst442

I once saw a '91 or '92 Toro in a small town on the coast and it was the base model in that color called Light Driftwood Metallic (or something like that) and it had the vaned alloy wheels to sporty it up some.  Maybe it had a trestle shifter, too, if I recall, but couldn't look since it was moving. Granted, it was V6 equipped by then but, of the final set of personal luxury coupes by GM, that one would have worked for me. 

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307 is fine, but it's got no moxie. I drove my G-F's '82 98 Regency Brougham, it felt like 75 HP.
Cadillac used the Olds 307 because they dropped their own V8 too low in displacement and needed a (mild) torque fix.

The 500 / 472 / 425 / 368 family were just well-engineered, basically bulletproof family of motors.
There's only 1 V8-6-4, the '81 368 CI V8.
In '82 the 4100 came out, down the line it grew to 4.6L and 4.9L. These are outside of my area of interest, so I'm fuzzy on the details.

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Youtube suggestions....so I decided to click on it.

 

Pretty accurate and honest journalism for big American cars sold in Britain for 1973 and 1974.

 

 

 

 

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Seems the T-Roc from VW has entered production finally.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/12/04/volkswagen-t-roc-cabriolet-production/

 

BMW seems to not get many to pay for Apple auto play on a recurring bases, as such all 2019 and 2020 models moving forward will now have it as normal free feature.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/12/04/bmw-free-apple-carplay/

 

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It's great to get new windshield wipers.  Instead of waiting them to become obnoxiously noisy, I just head to the auto parts store right after Thanksgiving every year and throw on a new set, ideally after scouting a deal.  I have Bosch wipers on this go round.

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Some randomness on a cold evening...some vintage big Chevys I like...

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On 12/3/2019 at 1:20 PM, dfelt said:

Interesting read on the current state of the global economy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2019/12/03/we-are-on-the-brink-of-the-second-great-depression/ We Could Be Nearing The Second Great Depression - Forbes

Can’t get to the article...

While there is going to be a drop-it’s not going to be depression like at all. At worse, a nasty 80s/early 90s slowdown. People are still working and spending- which will keep the overall layoffs down. Folks making decent coin is where you are going to see the cuts. 

I still see tough times ahead-but nothing that can’t be handled....

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7 hours ago, trinacriabob said:

 

@Robert Hall

For some reason, the burgundy leather interior in an upscale white GM convertible just worked.  That combo sort of owned that era.

It is funny, but usually I don't like white cars, but love white Cadillacs w/ red interiors...as an impressionable teenager i loved the '86 Fleetwood Brougham in 'Color of Money'... 

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I love this burgundy cloth interior...

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Another Big 80s GM biggie I've always liked since seeing them back in the day was the Electra Park Avenue...love the crisp lines of the C- bodies of that era.

An Aunt had a blue one, tried to talk my Dad into test driving Buicks or Cadillacs, but he was a Lincoln Town Car man...

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