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I appreciate all things but like @Robert Hall stated, much belongs in the books or museums and I like moving forward into the future. Prefer things to change much faster than they are. As I would love to be in space moving between planets and seeing our Universe. 

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I like...cars.

I like 1920s and 1930s cars.  Some of them.  

I like some 1940s cars.

I LOVE 1950s cars.

I LOVE 1960s cars.

I LOVE some 1970s cars. Others from the 1970s, not so much.

I like some 1980s cars. Cars from my teenaged to adulthood years will always have a special place in my heart just because that is how it is.  

I like some 1990s cars and 2000s all the way to today.  But the art of designing beautiful lines is all but gone. Different times.  From how we as a people and society view the automobile all the way to how engineers and designers have to comply with aerodynamics for fuel efficiency and for safety.  Design could still be beautiful, but we as a society appreciate that aspect a lot less as we as a society now view the automobile as a nuisance but necessary appliance. We dont value it more than we have to.  

We use to see it as freedom, now we see it as a burden. 

I love older cars because one could see and correlate the sign of the times in those older cars.  As I LOVE rock-n-roll, I could see rock-n-roll in those 1950s fins.  As I love airplanes, one could see the rise of the jet age in those 1950s and 1960s cars. 

The streamlining in the 1960s cars just gives those cars such beautiful, sleek lines.  When designers got away from the fins and the bulky fenders, the cars got so low and wide and lean and long.  Its the opposite of what is happening today.  Cars are becoming massive, and tall and high.  Ive said in the past that our SUVs and CUVs are starting to resemble late 1930s to 1940s cars. Only that they are not as long therefore this current crop of cars look frumpy as compared to the 1930s and 1940s cars.

@Robert Hall said that the 1940s cars look like a bar of used soap.  Well, he aint wrong, but that trend started in the 1990s all in the name of aerodynamic fuel efficiency's sake.  And its gotten to where our current crop of cars resemble one another because computer calculated aerodynamic efficiency anywhere in the world will always come to the same conclusion as to which shape is the most efficient whether it be at GM in Detroit or GM in Korea or Tesla in California or Mercedes in Stuttgart or Nissan in California or Nissan in Japan...

The artist designing cars gave way to a generic computer program.  

Not that there arent any interesting designed cars nowadays, but you got to admit, there were far more intersting designs back in the day...

Kinda like music.

Over the radio waves nowadays, its all formulaic sounds that rule...gone is the musician. Enter human psychology sound engineers with marketing  executives with a computer background deciphering what set of musical notes will please the general population  the most and voila...superstars with no ability to play any musical instrument, nor sing, but they look good, and sell "music" to folk, but also peddle their faces and bodies to other useless commodities that are marketed and produced in the same vein as their "music"...  and those "celebrities"  last a little over 6-7 years until the newest, freshest, cutest face comes along...

 

So yeah...we could move forward...as fast as we could. @dfelt

But that does NOT mean that moving forward actually means we as a species are actually moving forward, if you know what I mean...

 

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5 hours ago, dfelt said:

I would love to be in space

I thought you were tho

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A couple great looking late 60s formal roof coupes...the roofline of the '68 Cadillac Coupe de Ville and the '68 Impala Custom Coupe are very similar...look at the length of those quarter panels and rear decks...

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I like cars from every decade...though it may have taken a little while for some!

Was not a big model T era fan...but now they are a fave of mine. 🙂 Maybe it’s an older and wiser thing?Just happy to enjoy them......

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12 hours ago, balthazar said:

My brother has his Firebird engine back from the builder. Gonna be zippy! ~

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Any Dyno Spec's?

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On 12/10/2019 at 1:59 PM, balthazar said:

Cars -as design- are no different than art, architecture, or music.

Bingo. 

(Probably a little bit more art and architecture than music.)

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Four years later, I wonder where it is now?

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Supposed to be a heat wave today... up to 40.   Was a bit sunny earlier, but cloudy now.

Just a bit envious of my sister, she's starting a new 3 month gig in January in West Palm Beach.  No polar vortex down there. 

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7 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Four years later, I wonder where it is now?

Probably a pile of Rust flakes based on the picture. :P 

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14 hours ago, balthazar said:

The white car is 1 of 704 Eldorado Broughams:

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Can't save 'em all, but too bad the owners (how ever many there may have been) let that rare of a Caddy go to crap. 

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At my Cadillac dealership, got the CT6 V on display and I have to say, that is one tight engine bay.

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On 12/13/2019 at 1:30 PM, USA-1 said:

Can't save 'em all, but too bad the owners (how ever many there may have been) let that rare of a Caddy go to crap. 

I know what you are saying. And I feel your pain. Im a car guy too after all. And an American car guy on top of that.  But...lets be honest about this whole car culture thing. In reality, cars are meant to be driven (hard).  Cars are meant to be used and abused until that car can no longer give anymore and it ends up in the scrap heap.  We as enthusiasts dont like the term appliance and we as enthusiasts are able to sense which cars are really engineered as appliances and which cars are "special" but in reality, ALL cars are appliances. Even Corvettes and Porsches. And Ferraris.  

On the opposite spectrum of this. When people buy "non-appliance" cars, such as Ferraris and that 1 of 704  Eldorado Broughams, and store them to be garage queens never to see the road ever is not a good thing either.  Like I said, cars are meant to be driven.  (Not that you are saying otherwise...)

It takes (a lot of) money and/or time to restore these things.  Time is money even if you are a mechanic and a machinist... so I could understand why cars like these end up being barn finds... (and Im not saying that you dont understand this either...Im just stating the obvious and just doing my part in communicating and enjoying the conversations we have in here)

If I had a second chance at another career choice (I own a very successful hot dog and hamburger restaurant), Id wanna live in the US in one of those sunny and warm States...and Id learn to be a mechanic and machinist and yeah, Id restore old relics like that (on my own time and them sell them at auctions and stuff). But first, to move to the States, Id join the US Air Force and fly around....make Uncle Sam give me my wings, Make Uncle Sam teach me mechanics and machinery, then maybe possibly be a commercial airline pilot and hot rodder...  

 

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1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

I own a very successful hot dog and hamburger restaurant

Please post a menu.  You can block the name if you feel uncomfortable.

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9 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Please post a menu.  You can block the name if you feel uncomfortable.

I will...in due time.  I promise. 

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7 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

I will...in due time.  I promise. 

But I'm hungry NOW dammit.  Don't tease me, bro!

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Been reading up on the new Ford Escape.  Like the Ranger, general consensus among reviewers is that the lower trim is the one to get.

It also sprung up that the 1.5EB in the 2020 Escape is a three cylinder.  And it sounds good, and is somewhat fun to drive.  It has a conventional 8 speed automatic, a precious feature with the rise of CVTs (although with a dial shifter, bleh).  I like the interior on the SE model, comes with heated seats and mirrors, and I like the look of the dash and door trims.  33+ cu ft of space with rear seats up is also pretty good.

Plus, Ford dealers are knocking the price down on the brand new 2020 Escape already.  A $29k Escape SE 4WD is going for $26k locally.

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