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18 hours ago, dfelt said:

At my Cadillac dealership, got the CT6 V on display and I have to say, that is one tight engine bay.

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Interesting how the air intake tubes at the front are asymmetrical and length and location.  Strange.       Everything is so tightly packed in there looks like a maintenance nightmare. 

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The run from zero to 60 mph in our all-wheel-drive SE test car takes 7.7 seconds, and the quarter-mile is dispatched in 15.9 seconds at 87 mph -

Car & Driver tests the 2020 Ford Escape SE AWD with 1.5L turbo 3 cylinder engine.

They also remark on its enjoyable, distinctive growl.

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1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

Car & Driver tests the 2020 Ford Escape SE AWD with 1.5L turbo 3 cylinder engine.

They also remark on its enjoyable, distinctive growl.

No doubt the sound of a connecting rod blowing thru the oil pain is distinctive, too.

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4 hours ago, ocnblu said:

The run from zero to 60 mph in our all-wheel-drive SE test car takes 7.7 seconds, and the quarter-mile is dispatched in 15.9 seconds at 87 mph -

Car & Driver tests the 2020 Ford Escape SE AWD with 1.5L turbo 3 cylinder engine.

They also remark on its enjoyable, distinctive growl.

Just not a fan of the Escape any more. If I wanted a Mazda, I would buy one.

Now the Bronco Scout, on the other hand......

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4 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Just not a fan of the Escape any more. If I wanted a Mazda, I would buy one.

Now the Bronco Scout, on the other hand......

I thought that too, at first.

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8 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Random faux woodies

*squints hard*  Is that a VW Touareg with a fake convertible top and woodgrain decals?

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1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

*squints hard*  Is that a VW Touareg with a fake convertible top and woodgrain decals?

It’s a 1st gen Cayenne.  

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2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

I thought that too, at first.

You might be right...

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On 12/14/2019 at 3:27 PM, oldshurst442 said:

I know what you are saying. And I feel your pain. Im a car guy too after all. And an American car guy on top of that.  But...lets be honest about this whole car culture thing. In reality, cars are meant to be driven (hard).  Cars are meant to be used and abused until that car can no longer give anymore and it ends up in the scrap heap.  We as enthusiasts dont like the term appliance and we as enthusiasts are able to sense which cars are really engineered as appliances and which cars are "special" but in reality, ALL cars are appliances. Even Corvettes and Porsches. And Ferraris.  

On the opposite spectrum of this. When people buy "non-appliance" cars, such as Ferraris and that 1 of 704  Eldorado Broughams, and store them to be garage queens never to see the road ever is not a good thing either.  Like I said, cars are meant to be driven.  (Not that you are saying otherwise...)

It takes (a lot of) money and/or time to restore these things.  Time is money even if you are a mechanic and a machinist... so I could understand why cars like these end up being barn finds... (and Im not saying that you dont understand this either...Im just stating the obvious and just doing my part in communicating and enjoying the conversations we have in here)

If I had a second chance at another career choice (I own a very successful hot dog and hamburger restaurant), Id wanna live in the US in one of those sunny and warm States...and Id learn to be a mechanic and machinist and yeah, Id restore old relics like that (on my own time and them sell them at auctions and stuff). But first, to move to the States, Id join the US Air Force and fly around....make Uncle Sam give me my wings, Make Uncle Sam teach me mechanics and machinery, then maybe possibly be a commercial airline pilot and hot rodder...  

 

Very cool story olds.

I totally agree that many of these cars even if rare get used up and found in a barn because the owner didn't have the green backs or heart to move her to the junk yard, or they are stored as garage queens to later be placed in a car museum...or Jay Leno's Garage. 😎 "Time is Money" is actually an abbreviated quote I follow.

The full quote is:

Time is money, and when you waste time you waste money and success you can have; if you just overcome the temptation to be distracted. Don't waste time, be productive, and success will be one step closer.”

 

PS. How dare you call the Corvette or Ferrari an appliance! :D

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On 12/14/2019 at 12:58 PM, dfelt said:

At my Cadillac dealership, got the CT6 V on display and I have to say, that is one tight engine bay.

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Yeah, she's a tight fit. Good thing the turbski's are in the V with Hot V config. You go for a spin?! 

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2 hours ago, USA-1 said:

Yeah, she's a tight fit. Good thing the turbski's are in the V with Hot V config. You go for a spin?! 

Sadly no, did not have the time, though they offered. I will say I did find one thing that blew my mind in a negative way about the CT6 V at $100,000 and that is the gaps and give of the plastic mounting as this white CT6 V had the back seat entertainment systems on the chairs and I was surprised how flimsy they appeared to be attached and the give and gaps around it.

Not what I would expect for the price of this auto. Course I would not have them in it either.

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I drove it last week, albeit not crazy hard. It's smooth and quiet with minimal lag. Still, I must say that there is a little more "rubber band" effect than say the VW-Audi CEUC 4.0TFSI. That might be because that engine peaks lower and with less toque (443 lb-ft @ 1,500 rpm) and doesn't make as mcuh power 435 hp @ 5,500 rpm. Less boost means less boost rise and a more linear perceived power delivery.

I still think that trying to be more European is a mistake for Cadillac and GM. There is no need to do that. I'll very much prefer that Cadillac stuff their flagships with a "Premium" Pushrod V8 given the features which Chevy had to cut out from the LT2 for cost reasons. Features like individual throttles, Dual Injection and concentric cam dual VVT. A 6.8L V8 with all these features and the LS7 stroke will produce an estimated 550 bhp @ 6,200 rpm with 525 lb-ft @ 5,200 rpm. No turbos, no intercoolers, no lag, no extra weight and no extra things to break. With AFM it'll still turn in 16/25 mpg which is good enough and no worse than the LTA 4.2TT.

I'll also get rid of ALL the 3.6L V6es altogether. Full size Sedan and SUV Caddy customers can have a choice between the 2.7L Turbofour or the big V8 depending on their preferences for economy or performance. There is no reason for the 310-335 hp V6 to exist. Crossover and compact customers can choose between the 2.0T and the 2.7T. Very simple power train lineup. Maybe they can upgrade the 2.0T and 2.7L to a "premium" setup exclusive to Caddies and Buicks -- Air-to-water intercooling, individual throttle butterflies and dual injection. The 2.0T should easily make 280-300 hp and the 2.7T 380~420 hp with NO CHANGE to compression ratio and boost pressure (by not running out of breathe at 4,500 rpm).

 

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7 hours ago, dfelt said:

Sadly no, did not have the time, though they offered. I will say I did find one thing that blew my mind in a negative way about the CT6 V at $100,000 and that is the gaps and give of the plastic mounting as this white CT6 V had the back seat entertainment systems on the chairs and I was surprised how flimsy they appeared to be attached and the give and gaps around it.

Not what I would expect for the price of this auto. Course I would not have them in it either.

Hmm, I didn't sit in the backseat of the CT6-V Blackwing I drove. I've sat in others and don't remember the trim around the screens. I do remember this V interior had polished aluminum trim where there was any shiny trim, real carbon fiber and smooth and suede leather everywhere, very little plastic anywhere. I think it's a steal for $100K when competitive M5's or 7 Series or even MB AMG's are around 40-50 grand more.  

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3 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Hmm, I didn't sit in the backseat of the CT6-V Blackwing I drove. I've sat in others and don't remember the trim around the screens. I do remember this V interior had polished aluminum trim where there was any shiny trim, real carbon fiber and smooth and suede leather everywhere, very little plastic anywhere. I think it's a steal for $100K when competitive M5's or 7 Series or even MB AMG's are around 40-50 grand more.  

I would agree with you as everything was tight and very impressive, the only thing was what I thought was an after thought way of how they installed the rear seat entertainment systems. The V surround mounting was plastic that was an attempt to blend it into the seat but the flimsy nature of the mount left me thinking old GM days of the bean counters.

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7 hours ago, dwightlooi said:

I drove it last week, albeit not crazy hard. It's smooth and quiet with minimal lag. Still, I must say that there is a little more "rubber band" effect than say the VW-Audi CEUC 4.0TFSI. That might be because that engine peaks lower and with less toque (443 lb-ft @ 1,500 rpm) and doesn't make as mcuh power 435 hp @ 5,500 rpm. Less boost means less boost rise and a more linear perceived power delivery.

I still think that trying to be more European is a mistake for Cadillac and GM. There is no need to do that. I'll very much prefer that Cadillac stuff their flagships with a "Premium" Pushrod V8 given the features which Chevy had to cut out from the LT2 for cost reasons. Features like individual throttles, Dual Injection and concentric cam dual VVT. A 6.8L V8 with all these features and the LS7 stroke will produce an estimated 550 bhp @ 6,200 rpm with 525 lb-ft @ 5,200 rpm. No turbos, no intercoolers, no lag, no extra weight and no extra things to break. With AFM it'll still turn in 16/25 mpg which is good enough and no worse than the LTA 4.2TT.

I'll also get rid of ALL the 3.6L V6es altogether. Full size Sedan and SUV Caddy customers can have a choice between the 2.7L Turbofour or the big V8 depending on their preferences for economy or performance. There is no reason for the 310-335 hp V6 to exist. Crossover and compact customers can choose between the 2.0T and the 2.7T. Very simple power train lineup. Maybe they can upgrade the 2.0T and 2.7L to a "premium" setup exclusive to Caddies and Buicks -- Air-to-water intercooling, individual throttle butterflies and dual injection. The 2.0T should easily make 280-300 hp and the 2.7T 380~420 hp with NO CHANGE to compression ratio and boost pressure (by not running out of breathe at 4,500 rpm).

 

The CT6-V I drove didn't seem to have much turbo lag at all, but every car has it's own "personality" too. Although the GM LS/LT OHV V8 engines are hard to beat and pretty bullet proof, the point of the Blackwing engine is that it is hand-built and exclusively a Cadillac engine. It will never be offered in any other GM make and I'm told they may still offer it in the upcoming top of the line Escalade Platinum and/or an Escalade V.

I actually think the NA 3.6L V6 is still a viable offering being that many people don't want a 4 cylinder under the hood, turbo or not, but like you stated they don't want or need a V8 either, so there's still a need for the V6 for the entry Luxury and middle Premium Luxury trim buyers. The 3.0TT V6 that I've driven as well is another good option between the less expensive NA 3.6L and the Blackwing. GM built the 2.7T I4 exclusively to be a truck motor for the new Silverado and Sierra. They could probably re-tune it for luxury car use, but I find it hard to believe Cadillac would want or need to use it. The newer 4 cylinder engines have gotten better, but they still have that course grainy sound and feel that screams econo car. I'm told they sell very few of the 2.0T over the 3.6L and 3.0TT here in the U.S. and they tried to offer the 2.0 I4 PHEV that didn't sell well at all here and it had the same 335hp as the 3.6L and obviously more torque output with the Hybrid setup.

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47 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I would agree with you as everything was tight and very impressive, the only thing was what I thought was an after thought way of how they installed the rear seat entertainment systems. The V surround mounting was plastic that was an attempt to blend it into the seat but the flimsy nature of the mount left me thinking old GM days of the bean counters.

Yeah, like one strange thing here or there that GM engineering tends to miss at the last second and it makes it through the final inspection. Like everything is 98% awesome and there's the one thing that has you scratching your head like, WTF were they thinking here?! LOL!!

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Philadelphia warehouse built in 1851. Looks completely terrifying.

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Demolished circa 1969 for I-95 Expressway routing.

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Guest What the hell is that?
1 hour ago, balthazar said:

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A Broke Back Hotrod?

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On 12/16/2019 at 7:33 PM, USA-1 said:

The CT6-V I drove didn't seem to have much turbo lag at all, but every car has it's own "personality" too. Although the GM LS/LT OHV V8 engines are hard to beat and pretty bullet proof, the point of the Blackwing engine is that it is hand-built and exclusively a Cadillac engine. It will never be offered in any other GM make and I'm told they may still offer it in the upcoming top of the line Escalade Platinum and/or an Escalade V.

I actually think the NA 3.6L V6 is still a viable offering being that many people don't want a 4 cylinder under the hood, turbo or not, but like you stated they don't want or need a V8 either, so there's still a need for the V6 for the entry Luxury and middle Premium Luxury trim buyers. The 3.0TT V6 that I've driven as well is another good option between the less expensive NA 3.6L and the Blackwing. GM built the 2.7T I4 exclusively to be a truck motor for the new Silverado and Sierra. They could probably re-tune it for luxury car use, but I find it hard to believe Cadillac would want or need to use it. The newer 4 cylinder engines have gotten better, but they still have that course grainy sound and feel that screams econo car. I'm told they sell very few of the 2.0T over the 3.6L and 3.0TT here in the U.S. and they tried to offer the 2.0 I4 PHEV that didn't sell well at all here and it had the same 335hp as the 3.6L and obviously more torque output with the Hybrid setup.

Actually, it does. Not a heck of a lot, but noticeably more than very low boost Germans like he Audi 4.0T. The reason is simple. It takes longer to get to 640 lb-ft than it does to 444 lb-ft. That boost rise simply takes longer. The Germans have very tiny turbos reaching only 122 lb-ft per liter vs 152. Boost only reaches 9.5 psi and plateaus from 1,500 to 5,100 rpm.

Anyway, the whole hand built and exclusive to Cadillac thing is bullcrap. You can handbuilt and make exclusive a version of the small block V8 too.

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