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45 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I remember a long time ago (over 20 years ago), I was working in an corporate IT cube farm, and my team got recubed--my whole department moved across the floor to a different collection of 20 or so cubicles.  I could box up my personal content in my cube, but couldn't move it, my chair or my computer--those had to be moved by union mover resource units.   Struck me as odd.  

That's just annoying. 

We've moved a handful of times at my current job and we have a moving team(the building is slowly being remodeled floor by floor) but I've never been told not to take things myself. 

I haven't heard of Toyota, Honda, Mercedes, or BMW plants having issues. OHSA is still a thing.

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2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

That's just annoying. 

We've moved a handful of times at my current job and we have a moving team(the building is slowly being remodeled floor by floor) but I've never been told not to take things myself. 

Where I was was at a Big Fortune 500 corporation that probably had their facilities maintenance and moving outsourced to a unionized shop.  Odd because it was in Colorado which never struck me as a particular union-ey place.

 The next two places I worked after that were tiny---one a startup company and one a consulting firm, under 10 people each, and we moved offices a couple of times at each place and I helped w/ the moves, once hauled a load of servers, computers and monitors in my Jeep a couple miles between offices.. 

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46 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

If modern unions are so bad, are the alternatives a lot better?  Especially in certain industries (steel, automotive). . . . .

Now, public sector unions I would argue have serious issues that need to be addressed.  Now why do we have public sector unions again?

Yes, Yes they are, just look at how well the NON-Union Auto plants are doing in this country. Yes companies have learned, does not mean we take our eye off of them, but we do not have kids working, no benefits and all the other crap that happened. Unions had their place but in a higher educated society, unions are not needed and that in itself proves why industries like the High Tech industry has not been unionized. Many others do not need it either. Unions feed off the lesser educated work force taking their hard earned money. We are already protected and covered by modern laws that give us the same rights the Unions want to take your money for saying they will secure.

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3 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Where I was was at a Big Fortune 500 corporation that probably had their facilities maintenance and moving outsourced to a unionized shop.  Odd because it was in Colorado which never struck me as a particular union-ey place.

 The next two places I worked after that were tiny---one a startup company and one a consulting firm, under 10 people each, and we moved offices a couple of times at each place and I helped w/ the moves, once hauled a load of servers, computers and monitors in my Jeep a couple miles between offices.. 

Same with me, the startups and small companies we all just pitched in to help move, but here at my current Dell Job, they reorganized the whole building to get teams back together and we were told we could not move any of our stuff once packed up as that was the outside movers job and had to wait for them to come in and move the whole building over the weekend which included a Friday.

I am thinking in this regards it was Dell wanting to minimize potential injury on those not in shape to life.

At Brocade, I was visiting the San Jose HQ and was doing work in the datacenter and we needed to get stuff re-racked, I did it all and then realized we had no power above us in the Star Line system where we were moved too. I grabbed a wrench and moved the star line box's and then got written up by the local facilities folks as in California you have to use a unionized certified electrician to move these 90 degree twist boxes and plug in the power cords from the rack.

Lucky for me, I got the write up removed as the did not know I was from Washington State and did not know about the california requirements since in the data center here we just do all the work ourselves and no requirement to have over paid electricians plug in a server.

That is the stupidity that Unions have brought in this modern 21st century day to slowing down productivity.

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Doesn’t matter, unions will be dead in the next five years anyways....

You can’t make a profit with a union ......or at least a bigger one.

Automation is coming, and very, very soon......

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8 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Doesn’t matter, unions will be dead in the next five years anyways....

You can’t make a profit with a union ......or at least a bigger one.

Automation is coming, and very, very soon......

Who will buy anything if there are no jobs?

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Leg day at the gym today. In the last 1hr, I have seen 2 mbps, 1 bmw, 1 audi and 2 Lexus and 1 ford ad.

Where is Cadillac, GMC, Buick or Chevrolet?

Where is Lincoln or any others for that matter. Clearly the marketing campaigns are not working at many places.

Never see a fiat ad.

Just saw a dump n pump ad for Nissan that just came on.

Interesting, now we know why some brands do better than others. Failure of marketing.

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41 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Leg day at the gym today. In the last 1hr, I have seen 2 mbps, 1 bmw, 1 audi and 2 Lexus and 1 ford ad.

Where is Cadillac, GMC, Buick or Chevrolet?

Where is Lincoln or any others for that matter. Clearly the marketing campaigns are not working at many places.

Never see a fiat ad.

Just saw a dump n pump ad for Nissan that just came on.

Interesting, now we know why some brands do better than others. Failure of marketing.

It all depends what you're watching.

I was also at the gym last night and somebody had like CBS or NBC on the TV in front of me(unfortunately, because I wanted to watch the Blues game) and there was a new Lincoln Corsair commercial and I have certainly seen GMC ads in the past week but I don't know what channel or show I was watching(the one with the fancy Sierra tailgate). 

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I’ve seen the Lincoln ad where Matt is ice fishing in the wilderness probably 8 times, but can’t recall seeing a single GLS ad.

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I've seen several Cadillac ads recently...I generally don't watch TV with ads, but I do watch local news and live events (sports and awards shows) occasionally.    Specifically an XT6 ad with Millennials, saw that during the Oscars last week several times.  During the Oscars there was also a nice 2021 Escalade ad w/ Regina King. 

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10 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Doesn’t matter, unions will be dead in the next five years anyways....

You can’t make a profit with a union ......or at least a bigger one.

Automation is coming, and very, very soon......

I doubt they will be dead, the one area that Unions seem to have a strangle hold on is basic construction of buildings, roads and especially the plumbers, electrician and appliance service industry.

The change is eventually you will find more folks going out on their own as independents giving pricing options that are better than a mega large unionized company. Yet some who will not do their research will still over pay to a union shop.

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Pffft- you don’t think every car brand advertises on every channel, every day, do you?

The 24 hour fitness I go to has 9 TV's up on the wall in front of all the cardio equipment. Only one is on music videos, the other 8 are all on different stations so I felt it was a good spread of seeing what commercials are playing as I looked over them all and people watched warming up.

I did end up seeing an Acura commercial and 2 Toyota commercials on when I was leaving.

I still did not see any GM ads. Very weird.

41 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Cadillac is probably advertising on shows liked "My 600lb Life". 🤣

That's cause the Trust Fund 600lb Millennial's need the Escalade to move their Butt around.  🤣

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I disagree that 8 channels is necessarily a representation of all media.
Cadillac stat I saw said they're advertising on 250 different media outlets.
How many total are there?

Cadillac is not at a mainstream production volume, like nissan or Chevy or mercedes, and they traditionally have done heavy 'event' ads (sports, award event, etc).

Question- how many Tesla ads did you see at the gym? ;)

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The bigger question is how relevant is TV advertising in the age of streaming, where a lot of content can be consumed ad-free? 

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In the age of streaming AND internet usage as a whole.  Social media with platforms like Facebook and Twitter. Which lends itself to personalized ads through controversial privacy shenanigans. 

 

 

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@Robert Hall @balthazar @oldshurst442 @ccap41 Very valid thought is the loss of traditional TV advertisement with the move to commercial free or limited commercial on streaming platforms. 

Took a bit of time this morning to Look around my Roku box as well as the firestick my daughter has that I borrowed and our family account of YouTube TV where they have 4 commercial sections of no more than 5 min across any show you watch and it is very interesting the change in commercials. 

Still did not see any Cadillac commercials. Last one I saw was while watching the superbowl and I felt it did not have any impact to me. Was MEH......

I did see a variety of auto ads on the Rocku, Firestick and YouTube TV but nothing for Tesla or Cadillac, but did see a GMC ad focused on their trucks and a Chevy ad focused on their CUVs.

I think marketing is going through a big change with the attempt to keep happy the baby boomers while the rest have already changed due to technology.

Interesting times we live in friends, interesting times.

Funny stuff, but custom wraps on Auto's is such a big thing now and I had to laugh at these 50 as I see stuff like this all the time now on company and private auto's.

https://yeahmotor.com/cars/custom-car-wraps/

Enjoy! :rofl:

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I saw the Cadillac 'running' ad yesterday on TV. Seen that one at least 4 times and it just came out.

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25 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I saw the Cadillac 'running' ad yesterday on TV. Seen that one at least 4 times and it just came out.

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Is it on Youtube at all as I would like to know which it is to see what it is like.

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This is the 30 sec version Ive been seeing; theres a longer 1 min version too

 


Theres also the one from a bit ago where someone is peeling the vinyl wrap camo off a CT5.

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

This is the 30 sec version Ive been seeing; theres a longer 1 min version too

 


Theres also the one from a bit ago where someone is peeling the vinyl wrap camo off a CT5.

Thank you for posting, very interesting.

SAD, Have to say that is a YAWN of a commercial. I am not inspired by it. Sounds and Feels very mechanical and forced. No passion for the performance luxury auto at all in the voice they use. The commercial just leaves me wanting. 

Sad 😢

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How about this XT6 ad with a diverse group of Millennial hipsters...

(struck me as funny since the XT6 is a 3 row soccer mom family hauler type of CUV).

 

 

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

SAD, Have to say that is a YAWN of a commercial. I am not inspired by it.

Just saw it again on Hulu watching the Container Home show.

NO car commercials “inspire” me, I am largely numb to advertising influence and I’ve seen it all / its all been done before.

 

32 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

How about this XT6 ad with a diverse group of Millennial hipsters... (struck me as funny since the XT6 is a 3 row soccer mom family hauler type of CUV).

That’s just your strict association with 3-row CUVs tho. Anytime 6 or so want to travel in one vehicle, what are they supposed to do; hire a stretch limo?

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55 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

How about this XT6 ad with a diverse group of Millennial hipsters...

(struck me as funny since the XT6 is a 3 row soccer mom family hauler type of CUV).

 

 

Much better, but still not inspired, the female voice is so flat and unexcited. It is as if they have a person who loves Lexus trying to sell Cadillac.

WHERE IS THE PASSION?

That is missing from both of these commercials. I remember the commercial that had and projected true emotion of I want to check out that auto.

Recardo Montalbon.

There are others, but we need people who can project passion and sell the auto even if you do not care for the auto. This has always stuck in my mind as he did an outstanding job of selling the auto with passion.

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