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Been away for a while.. summer stuff.. figured I'd get out an live while the weather was warm. Decided to get back into riding bikes.. had given it up back in '05 after my then wife (now ex) had issue

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This whole crossover craze has gone a bit too far....

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1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Plus Ford is telling people to expect very high depreciation on the EV Mustang, and has dropped the price by $3000. Kind of like Pony cars and muscle cars in the 60's, everything has it's saturation point. There is a reason AMC did not sell a quarter of a million Javelins or AMX's in 1971. 

I think there is a market for electric vehicles, Obviously. VW is selling a ton in Europe, Norway is highly electrified, Tesla is selling a ton of vehicles, Rivian has a bunch of deposits, high interest in electric commercial light delivery vehicles, China is building a bunch of electrics, etc. 

However GM's approach to this is the same thing that caused them to loose all of the brand equity in cars they had like the Impala, Cutlass, Grand Prix, etc. Namesly, making about the dumbest possible production and marketing decisions and expecting people to live with them when other choices are available. 

A Frumpy little hatchback and a Vaporware super truck are way outside the parameteres of what most EV customers want, so the free market will bitch slap GM like it was a 20 dollar whore refusing to give a blow job in a back alley. 

I think that is hands down the best wording for GM right now! 🙂  Sometimes I feel like the old culture just really never dies. The last time GM did any decent marketing was putting  their cars in the Transformers movies....

It’s like GM wants to shout themselves in the foot....

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1 minute ago, daves87rs said:

I think that is hands down the best wording for GM right now! 🙂  Sometimes I feel like the old culture just really never dies. The last time GM did any decent marketing was putting  their cars in the Transformers movies....

It’s like GM wants to shout themselves in the foot....

Agreed. 

Tesla is building multiple factories at once, and big ones. When was the alst time GM was building multiple factories at once.....50's....60's...Balthazar...any ideas?

2 minutes ago, ykX said:

Kind of funny, we have @David that thinks we all will be driving EVs in 5 years and @ocnblu that EVs are just a crackpot that never will catch on ...

As always the truth is somewhere in between the extremes I suspect.

Reality addiction seems to elude us here. 

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Since I brought up old Beetles elsewhere, here's a nicely-presented / great patina'd '59 bug with the rare retractable canvas 'sunroof' and some mechanical upgrades. Has 29 hrs left on ebay, but it's 'only' been bid to $13K so far. Would anyone take a rare bug 'worth' -say- $15K, then put $65K into it (EVWest EV conversion cost)... and what would it be worth then? $65K? $50K? $25K... or $5K? 

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Obviously some people are doing just that. As for me...I kind of see the Beetle as a paper weight. I want to DO things with vehicles. hence autocrossing, off roading, travelling, etc. 

Modify that bug (and kill all of the glorious Patina) to where I could run the Baja 500 in the Bug class....and we can talk. 

Things getting nuts with coronavirus all over the world...

 

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2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Tacoma you have to get the top level TRD pro to get the manual though. Were they to offer the manual in other trims, I may well have a Toyota in my driveway rather than a Ford. 

Not true. I just went to their site and you can get a manual in the TRD Sport, TRD Off Road, and TRD Pro. 

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1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

Not true. I just went to their site and you can get a manual in the TRD Sport, TRD Off Road, and TRD Pro. 

Ohhh interesting....did not know that. I am thinking about buying an additional truck when the Ranger is paid off....may have to consider this for a second vehicle. Thanks!

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2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Not true. I just went to their site and you can get a manual in the TRD Sport, TRD Off Road, and TRD Pro. 

Question, I have not gone to look myself, but it would imply based on your post that you still have to have a TRD packaged version to get the manual. You cannot just get a base level truck with Manual Transmission, etc. like in the old days a decade ago. My neighbor has his truck base everything, manual windows, manual door locks, manual transmission and from what I see, you cannot do that anymore.

 

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45 minutes ago, David said:

Question, I have not gone to look myself, but it would imply based on your post that you still have to have a TRD packaged version to get the manual. You cannot just get a base level truck with Manual Transmission, etc. like in the old days a decade ago. My neighbor has his truck base everything, manual windows, manual door locks, manual transmission and from what I see, you cannot do that anymore.

 

Correct, it is not on the base SR model, SR5, or Limited models. The TRD Sport and TRD Off road are 33k and 34k, respectively, though. So you're not forced to get some crazy priced mid-size truck for 45-50k with the TRD Pro. The TRD Sport can be had with 2WD, as well, so you're not forced to have 4WD.

I forgot the Gladiator can also be had with a manual transmission. 

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2 hours ago, David said:

Question, I have not gone to look myself, but it would imply based on your post that you still have to have a TRD packaged version to get the manual. You cannot just get a base level truck with Manual Transmission, etc. like in the old days a decade ago. My neighbor has his truck base everything, manual windows, manual door locks, manual transmission and from what I see, you cannot do that anymore.

 

You can't even get a nice standard cab truck. You have to upgrade to an extended or crew cab to get the nice stuff. 

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Correct, it is not on the base SR model, SR5, or Limited models. The TRD Sport and TRD Off road are 33k and 34k, respectively, though. So you're not forced to get some crazy priced mid-size truck for 45-50k with the TRD Pro. The TRD Sport can be had with 2WD, as well, so you're not forced to have 4WD.

I forgot the Gladiator can also be had with a manual transmission. 

I looked at a Manual Gladiator when I bought the Ranger. 

I like watching this guy work, he is a real craftsman, and efficient. 

 

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6 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Horse - check this out :
https://bosunsbox.com/diy-submarine/

Jesus that's cool. 

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6 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Horse - check this out :
https://bosunsbox.com/diy-submarine/

Cool Project, Wonder how he will keep the exhaust out of the inside so one does not suffocate to death?

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