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Right- same here in the States, basically. Provisional license at 16, full driver's at 17 (I am sure it varies by state).

If they're causing the most incidents/injuries & deaths, perhaps that needs to be PL at 18 and full DL at 19.

I mean... if we're 'after the problem' here... ;)

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Just now, balthazar said:

Right- same here in the States, basically. Provisional license at 16, full driver's at 17 (I am sure it varies by state).

If they're causing the most incidents/injuries & deaths, perhaps that needs to be PL at 18 and full DL at 19.

I mean... if we're 'after the problem' here... ;)

And its more complicated than that in Quebec...

Its more staggered. Full license is obtained at 25 years old.    But I got the feeling that you understood where I was going with this.   I wanted to show you that yeah...in Quebec, we have pushed forward the age of driving...to a sense, right?   I mean, teenaged Quebecois could start to learn to drive at 16, staggered license up until 25...

Edumacation is the key though if we are 'after the problem'.  

In Quebec, we actually DO a good job in TEACHING the new drivers the RULES of the road.  In theory FOR the theory of driving.

But for the ACTUAL driving part, we fail as hard as anybody else so yeah...I agree with your sentiment 100% about young folk and old folk and all that... 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, balthazar said:

The very real issue is you'd be looking at age discrimination lawsuits in trying to implement something like that.

Hope you're ready for 'all the stupid' being able to go 0-60 in 3 seconds!!

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

The very real issue is you'd be looking at age discrimination lawsuits in trying to implement something like that.

Hope you're ready for 'all the stupid' being able to go 0-60 in 3 seconds!!

I do not see an age discrimination lawsuit by having clear defined requirements of being able to drive and control your auto. I see no reason to not use the same test the teens have to take to insure you are still able to safely drive an auto.

I agree with so many EVs going 0 to 60 in 3 seconds, the auto body shops will be kept busy especially in winter.

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The potential legal problem isn't in testing drivers at a certain age, it's testing ONLY drivers of a certain age (vs. testing them all). Within the realm of licensed driving, that's an age-based 'discrimination'. Potentially.

1 hour ago, David said:

with so many EVs going 0 to 60 in 3 seconds, the auto body shops will be kept busy especially in winter.

Well, unless the owners are dead and don't need their car repaired.

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9 hours ago, balthazar said:

The potential legal problem isn't in testing drivers at a certain age, it's testing ONLY drivers of a certain age (vs. testing them all). Within the realm of licensed driving, that's an age-based 'discrimination'. Potentially.

Well, unless the owners are dead and don't need their car repaired.

Again, a privilege, not a right. Testing should happen after a certain age. If there is such a thing as too young to drive, there damn sure is such a thing as too old. Reflexes dull over time and that is a fact, for starters. 

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30 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Again, a privilege, not a right. Testing should happen after a certain age. If there is such a thing as too young to drive, there damn sure is such a thing as too old. Reflexes dull over time and that is a fact, for starters. 

Agree completely. 

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Privilege/right is immaterial. Employment isn't a guaranteed right, but you can’t have different age-related treatments of employees. 
I don’t disagree about ability degradation, but how that’s addressed is the question. And again I point to 16-17 yr old drivers, the worst of all age groups and fresh out of edumacation; what’s the suggestion there to address tje carnage- test them every 6 months until they’re 20?

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8 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Privilege/right is immaterial. Employment isn't a guaranteed right, but you can’t have different age-related treatments of employees. 
I don’t disagree about ability degradation, but how that’s addressed is the question. And again I point to 16-17 yr old drivers, the worst of all age groups and fresh out of edumacation; what’s the suggestion there to address tje carnage- test them every 6 months until they’re 20?

Except there laws regarding employment practices. The same does not exist for driving privileges. 

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10 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Privilege/right is immaterial. Employment isn't a guaranteed right, but you can’t have different age-related treatments of employees. 
I don’t disagree about ability degradation, but how that’s addressed is the question. And again I point to 16-17 yr old drivers, the worst of all age groups and fresh out of edumacation; what’s the suggestion there to address tje carnage- test them every 6 months until they’re 20?

Than to make everyone a better driver, then it would make sense to require every 5 yrs a drivers test of all ages if we are to remove age as an issue and improve driver skills.

I would also then say we need a national standard on drivers skill and testing and I would want to incorporate defensive driving skills for Ice, Snow, Water (hydro planning) as there is far too many that are on a frost covered road, slip a little and freak out as they truly do not know how to respond. 

Better Safety for all then. Yes this makes it more expensive to learn to drive, but then a privilege earned is never cheap.

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13 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Except there laws regarding employment practices. The same does not exist for driving privileges. 

Right; there was discrimination, then there were lawsuits / anti-discrimination laws, not the other way around.

Currently, there is no age-related onerous testing of a certain portion of approved/licensed drivers. 

I'm merely prognosticating on the litigious nature of people and the current times we live in. I see all sorts of outcry if a '75-yr old and older regular driving skills test' is implemented.
 

12 minutes ago, David said:

I would also then say we need a national standard on drivers skill and testing and I would want to incorporate defensive driving skills for Ice, Snow,

Totally disagree WRT a national testing standard. Unworkable. Now you're talking -say- having southern FL drivers in some sort of winter-environment test facility and the like. States have all sorts of different traffic laws & standards; you'd have to nationalize traffic laws, too.

Last thing we need in the guise of improvement is the federal gov't's grubby hands in the matter.
 

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19 minutes ago, balthazar said:



Last thing we need in the guise of improvement is the federal gov't's grubby hands in the matter.
 

Agree. 

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35 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Right; there was discrimination, then there were lawsuits / anti-discrimination laws, not the other way around.

Currently, there is no age-related onerous testing of a certain portion of approved/licensed drivers. 

I'm merely prognosticating on the litigious nature of people and the current times we live in. I see all sorts of outcry if a '75-yr old and older regular driving skills test' is implemented.
 

Totally disagree WRT a national testing standard. Unworkable. Now you're talking -say- having southern FL drivers in some sort of winter-environment test facility and the like. States have all sorts of different traffic laws & standards; you'd have to nationalize traffic laws, too.

Last thing we need in the guise of improvement is the federal gov't's grubby hands in the matter.
 

BIIIIG difference between the lawsuits regarding discrimination in employment and ones that you propose could happen regarding driving privileges. Employment affects one person at a time. Driving affects that one person plus everyone else who has to share the road with them. And there does not have to be age related testing per say. Just test every so many years (5-7 perhaps) across the board. Sorry but given that the older you get, the slower your reflexes get, I don’t see how this is really even a debatable topic.

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2 hours ago, David said:

Than to make everyone a better driver, then it would make sense to require every 5 yrs a drivers test of all ages if we are to remove age as an issue and improve driver skills.

I would also then say we need a national standard on drivers skill and testing and I would want to incorporate defensive driving skills for Ice, Snow, Water (hydro planning) as there is far too many that are on a frost covered road, slip a little and freak out as they truly do not know how to respond. 

Better Safety for all then. Yes this makes it more expensive to learn to drive, but then a privilege earned is never cheap.

If they can figure it out driving on the autobaun- we could bring it here. Many other countries around the world have better testing and evaluation of drivers than we do in the US.....

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22 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

In other off topic discussion, this is actually a model of a human cell. Pretty cool. 

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Well this channel is called Random! :P 

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2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Borderline political, but funny...and True!

 

May be a cartoon of text that says 'You can't eat that, it has nuts in it. LITIETA'

Perfect for the Joke Thread! :roflmao:

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5 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Many other countries around the world have better testing and evaluation of drivers than we do in the US.....

Its NOT just the testing and evaluation.

Its also the actual 'how to' that is lacking. 

There is NO actual driver training.  What I mean by driver training, I LITERALLY mean driver training. There is no training on car control. Like what a police officer has to go through. And yes...THAT kind of rigorous driving training. Maybe not the  PIT maneuver, but teach drivers how to respond and drive in emergency situations. Teach them not to panic. Teach them how to understeer. How to oversteer. How to gain control back. How to brake hard. What to do when braking hard. In rain. On snow. On gravel. On clean dry tarmac.  And so forth. And by teaching them these skills, only then could the mindless dolts realize the IMPORTANCE of keeping FOCUSED when driving.  And who knows?   Maybe when these mindless dolts master the basics at the very least and at most, be   proficient in the hard skills of driving  maybe they will become enthusiastic about the whole driving culture...

But when driving schools across North America even fail to teach people to parallel park, what else do you expect on our roads?

 

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^ That may well be the best route to addressing the problem. Some it may be 'defeated' by technology, IE; over/understeer vs. traction control/ESC. ;)
I've always urged my sons to get out & slide around in the snow, to (safely) push their vehicles in braking, acceleration, limit of handing traction to get to know it. That's an even higher level of literal training vs. whatever vehicle you road test in. 
I believe commercial truckers have testing akin to what you're suggesting. My brother has a Mack tri-axle dump truck and moves his own equipment; his commercial license supersedes his regular license, and infractions committed on his personal vehicles are 'counted' as commercial offenses. It's a prime reason I believe the vast majority of HD truckers drive with such care (and rightly so). 

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On 2/22/2021 at 6:57 AM, A Horse With No Name said:

When I was a kid, MAD magazine had a cartoon about middle aged women replacing sex with food. I still have lots of sex, but my main cravings seem to be power tools and good books. 

There was one MAD magazine cover when I was young that everyone in my house laughed at, and a copy of it was even purchased.  It had the MAD magazine guy with the curly red hair and an irreverent prank involving a cartoon of Sophia Loren and her cleavage.  My parents even laughed at it.  I looked for that image to no avail.

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But I found this one.  This is a little different.  I've seen this a lot as of late.  (That's Jayne Mansfield.)  It's difficult to infer what the possibilities might be here.

Main cravings - it's kind of perplexing when they become food, travel (even if sitting on an airplane and playing with the video monitor), and sleep ... a lot of quality sleep.

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On 2/22/2021 at 7:02 AM, A Horse With No Name said:

May be an image of 2 people and text that says 'Hey Debbie? It's me, The Lord. SADANDUSEI ESS.COM Listen... You need to stop telling the doctor your health is in my hands. You're going to have to watch your carbs and get your A1C checked on the regular, ok?'

 

Artists and illustrators can't let go of this.  They fail to grasp that Jesus Christ was a man from the Middle East.  Instead, we have become conditioned to believe that he looked like someone who may have attended today's Burning Man festival.

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