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If you aren’t losing money because the value holds / appreciates, you’re no fool.

1 hour ago, David said:

As they say, a fool and his money are soon parted and that goes especially true for EVs today. :D 

Interesting statement, coming from you.

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This whole crossover craze has gone a bit too far....

Been away for a while.. summer stuff.. figured I'd get out an live while the weather was warm. Decided to get back into riding bikes.. had given it up back in '05 after my then wife (now ex) had issue

2021 GMC Sierra Elevation crew cab / 6.5' bed. 3.0L DuraMax / 10-spd.   It's only money.

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4 hours ago, balthazar said:

If you aren’t losing money because the value holds / appreciates, you’re no fool.

Interesting statement, coming from you.

Yes, true, if no depreciation, then you're no fool. Course, I also do not think a person who buys something they like and holds onto it like you or myself that changes auto's every 10 to 15 years is a fool either as we truly get our use/value out of it.

On the other hand, a person swapping out auto's every 12 to 18 months could very well fall into that category.

The perception is what it is all about.

My Escalade is 15 years old and like new. SS is 13 years old and like new and my 1999 Durango is 22 years old and then I have my 1994 GMC SLE Suburban being 28 years old. So not sure I fall into the fool category either. :P But still, it is an interesting statement from me. :D 

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Not into the Royals.  However, you wake up and learn that Prince Philip has died.  RIP.  He and the queen seem like decent folks.

So, he made it to 99.  His 100th birthday would have been 2 months from now.  I was hoping he'd make it to 100(+).

For one, London, and England, would have probably partied in his honor.  Parties can be good.  Then, I always like to see centennial birthdays for people who have been going along at a steady pace well into their 90s.

 

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6 minutes ago, ykX said:

 

 

This just proves as I have always believed that America can build superior race auto's when we want over the over rated Italian stuff.

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15 minutes ago, David said:

This just proves as I have always believed that America can build superior race auto's when we want over the over rated Italian stuff.

I love Durango and would love to have either Hellcat or Jeep but you do realize at warmer temperatures Urus would probably win even in a straight line? And if there will be turns, like track or twisty road it will easily walk away from both of them.   Urus faster than most sports cars. 

Nevertheless, there is something infinitely cool about large three row SUV that is that fast.

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2 hours ago, balthazar said:

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This basic roofline was "shared" with other GM brands BOP + C at about this time.  This was one of the better designs. My favorite one would have been the Pontiac fraternal twin.  That funky metallic coral color was fairly nifty and sometimes seen on these cars/brands.

Bottom line:  I painfully miss the larger American coupe.

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^ '59-60 had (2) 2-door designs: the 2-dr sedan and the 2-dr hardtop. Not just a B-pillar added; the sedans had taller windshields by about 2", and more domed rooflines. 
As different as the Divisions were on everything else, the above-beltline greenhouses were shared across the board {for the most part). All 5 car Divisions got the 2-dr hardtop.
That's the same model/bodystyle my '59 is.

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15 hours ago, balthazar said:

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Neat curvature to the front door uppers... interesting how these vintage ambulances always seemed to have unique, non-oem glass and rooflines.

As far as the '59-60 GM greenhouses, it's interesting that there didn't seem to be any distinction between B- and C-bodies for most of the rooflines, unlike '61 forward where there were distinctly different 2dr hts, 4dr hts, 4dr sedans, etc between B- and C-bodies. 

2 hours ago, ykX said:

I love Durango and would love to have either Hellcat or Jeep but you do realize at warmer temperatures Urus would probably win even in a straight line? And if there will be turns, like track or twisty road it will easily walk away from both of them.   Urus faster than most sports cars. 

Nevertheless, there is something infinitely cool about large three row SUV that is that fast.

The Urus is just an Audi Q8 in Lamboish sheetmetal, though...nothing special.  It lacks the true weirdness of the LM002...doesn't even have a Lambo engine--has an Audi engine. 

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1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

As far as the '59-60 GM greenhouses, it's interesting that there didn't seem to be any distinction between B- and C-bodies for most of the rooflines, unlike '61 forward where there were distinctly different 2dr hts, 4dr hts, 4dr sedans, etc between B- and C-bodies. 

I think they were pretty comparable. I think there was only 1 windshield in '61, so the differences in the 2-dr sedan & 2-dr hardtop was less than the prior generation. Where it expanded was '62, when Chevy had 2 different 2-dr hardtops, but only @ Chevy. 

A lot going on to make a generalization about here; would need to make a list. For example, I know Pontiac again had 2 different windshields by '63-64.

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5 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I think they were pretty comparable. I think there was only 1 windshield in '61, so the differences in the 2-dr sedan & 2-dr hardtop was less than the prior generation. Where it expanded was '62, when Chevy had 2 different 2-dr hardtops, but only @ Chevy. 

A lot going on to make a generalization about here; would need to make a list. For example, I know Pontiac again had 2 different windshields by '63-64.

An example would be the B hardtop rooflines vs C hardtop rooflines of a given year, like ‘61.  The C has a more squared C-pillar and back window shape compared to B.    Olds 88 vs 98 example...

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Likewise for '62-64....the C body has a more squared off roofline compared to the rounded B body roofline.

 

 

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The interesting factoid is the difference between B- and C-body rooflines continued as far as I can tell across each generation, all the way to the end in '84...

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2 minutes ago, balthazar said:

^ I know that was done @ Olds. 
But '63-64 Pontiac did not have different 2-dr hardtops from B to C.

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Wasn't the Bonneville considered a LWB B-body?   I thought only Buick and Olds had both B- and C- bodies.  Then there was the Grand Ville in the 70s that had C-body style rooflines but was considered a B-body.

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2 minutes ago, balthazar said:

They DID have a unique GP windshield/roofline vs. the Cat (both B-Bodies).
 

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Yes, as did the Olds Starfire.  There were always anomalies, like the Chevy Caprice/Impala Custom rooflines from the late 60s onward.  I'm talking standard B and standard C rooflines..applicable to 4dr sedans and 4dr hts also..the C- rooflines were more formal and squared.   This is without going down the rabbit hole w/ Hollander manuals, just from eyeballing over the years in person and in photos.

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Wasn't the Bonneville considered a LWB B-body?   I thought only Buick and Olds had both B- and C- bodies.

I don't think there was such a thing (long WB B-body). Pontiac in '63-64 had the same 3" difference in wheelbase between the Cat & Bonne ('junior & senior' full-size) as Buick did in '59. Bonneville has to be a C-Body... but I'm not 100% sure.

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6 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I don't think there was such a thing (long WB B-body). Pontiac in '63-64 had the same 3" difference in wheelbase between the Cat & Bonne ('junior & senior' full-size) as Buick did in '59. Bonneville has to be a C-Body... but I'm not 100% sure.

Pontiac had two wheelbase for their B bodies for many years, but I've never seen the longer wheelbase referred to as a C-body..pretty sure it's considered a LWB B.   The Catalinas and Bonnevilles seemed to always have the B-body rooflines for 2drs, 4drs, sedans and hts, never the C-body roofline except for the Grand Ville.

Though in reality, was there really a meaningful difference between a B- and C- body besides wheelbase and roofline?  

Anyway, fun stuff to geek out about..  the B vs C roofline difference even continued in the FWD era, w/ the H vs C bodies from the late 80s through the 90s..

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2 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Though in reality, is there really a meaningful difference between a B- and C- body besides wheelbase and roofline?

That would be it, I believe.
What are the 133" WB Fleetwood Broughams of the (for example) circa 1970?
Fleetwood Series 75 limos were D-Bodies...

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3 minutes ago, balthazar said:

That would be it, I believe.
What are the 133" WB Fleetwood Broughams of the (for example) circa 1970?
Fleetwood Series 75 limos were D-Bodies...

Another anomaly, a LWB C-body.   I like how the '71-72 Fleetwood Sixty Specials had the funky exposed B-pillar between the doors.  According to the Book of Knowledge, the Sixty Specials are C-bodies... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_Sixty_Special

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As a random aside, wouldn't it have been cool if they had made a 2dr on the Fleetwood 75 wheelbase....long deck or longer hood...

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5 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

An example would be the B hardtop rooflines vs C hardtop rooflines of a given year, like ‘61.  The C has a more squared C-pillar and back window shape compared to B.    Olds 88 vs 98 example...

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Likewise for '62-64....the C body has a more squared off roofline compared to the rounded B body roofline.

 

 

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I like the first 2 more so than the last 2.  Those were svelte lines coming from fairly chunkier cars during the preceding decade.

I did not know that the 88 and 98 were that closely related at one time.  By the '70s, the difference between the two, and all their relatives, was noticeable enough (wb, trim, etc.)

A couple of things:

I think it's great how some Northern and East Central Europeans (HU, CZ, etc.) love some of our larger American cars.  I've seen quite a few photos and videos of the colonnades over there with their license plates on them.

"Speaking" of 454s and 455s, I found this:

Because it's a convertible, the interior is vinyl. The 455's engine paint is in nice condition and it has the Pontiac specific air cleaner decal.  The exhaust note could be nicer.  (They sure were when they were newer.)  Look at how small an adult looks in this video compared to the overall car.

I preferred the coupe, and with cloth seats.    I will never forget when, one November,  I went to Yosemite with my parents - where it was cool, comfortable, and not crowded - and there was a forest green metallic Bonneville coupe with a pale green landau roof, a pale green cloth interior, and the Pontiac sport wheels.  That car was a dream.

 

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