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Ford News: Ford CEO Reveals F-150 Hybrid Is Coming In 2020


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A hybrid full-size pickup is on the horizon and will be wearing a blue oval badge.

 

In an interview with NPR's All Things Considered, Ford CEO Mark Fields confirmed that a hybrid F-150 is coming.

 

"Well, we do have plans to have a rear-wheel drive hybrid truck but the end of the decade. So yes, we're working on electrified F-series, and it's really around a conventional hybrid," said Fields.

 

This follows comments made by Ford's development chief, Raj Nair last year when he said a rear-drive hybrid truck would come out in 2020. Nair also mentioned that hybrid SUVs are also on the way.

 

Before you think this is the result of Ford and Toyota's partnership to do hybrid pickups in 2010, it isn't. In 2013, the two automakers dissolved their partnership and went their separate ways.

 

Source: NPR


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So Hopefully GM will use a beefed up VOLT system and do this to their Pickups. Both full size and mid size.

 

Mid Size should already be in the works as this is a no brainer. City living folks would love a mid size pickup to us for their Home Depot runs. Mostly would be always pure electric.

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if GM could "2mode" their 8speeds.. that'd be a no-brainer, then just have to decide if it's a v6 or v8 and where would the bater pack go.

 

but to ford... did they help in any transmission electrification? would they just use a fusion hybrid setup? and i'm not really familiar with how the fusion's works.

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I wish Chevy made a hybrid Colorado when I ordered mine so I could make a big stink about not choosing one.  ;)

 

But then you would not be making a stink you would be bragging about the 40 miles petro free commute. :P;)

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if GM could "2mode" their 8speeds.. that'd be a no-brainer, then just have to decide if it's a v6 or v8 and where would the bater pack go.

 

but to ford... did they help in any transmission electrification? would they just use a fusion hybrid setup? and i'm not really familiar with how the fusion's works.

 

..... GM already has a 4-mode hybrid coming in the CT6. It's not being called a 4-mode, but that's essentially what it is.   And calling it a "6-speed" or "8-Speed" would be a misnomer since it is really a series of CVTs.  Cadillac is referring to it as an eCVT.

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^ Hopefully their eCVT is better than my current experience with CVTs which I say pass on. Give me a traditional 9 speed tranny any day.

 

I was wrong, they are calling it an EVT (Electronic Variable Transmission).   You can read more in the article that I posted back during the LA Auto Show - Cadillac CT6 Hybrid

 

But the basic gist is this - It is three CVTs with electric motors built in combined with 5 clutches that blend power from the electric motor and gas engine.  I wouldn't expect it to feel like a traditional CVT at all, yet it won't have shift points. 

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^ Hopefully their eCVT is better than my current experience with CVTs which I say pass on. Give me a traditional 9 speed tranny any day.

 

I was wrong, they are calling it an EVT (Electronic Variable Transmission).   You can read more in the article that I posted back during the LA Auto Show - Cadillac CT6 Hybrid

 

But the basic gist is this - It is three CVTs with electric motors built in combined with 5 clutches that blend power from the electric motor and gas engine.  I wouldn't expect it to feel like a traditional CVT at all, yet it won't have shift points. 

 

 

Very cool, will read your posting again, some how I missed this info on it. Thanks Drew.

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2020 model year isn't that far off. We're already into 2016's and it's very common to see next model year's vehicle in the previous year. It's basically 2016 already and they tend to put things out early so 2019. Three years isn't "a long way off" if you ask me. Much closer than any other truck at the moment so it's still a good thing to hear. 

 

I think it is safe to say they are finishing up the 10spd first then the hybrid system to work with that, just my assumption. 

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Hybrid pick up is a very smart move. 2020 seems like a long time though. And you have to offer 4 wheel drive. Put a pair of 50 hp electric motor on the front wheels at least.

 

Any new model due to be released in 2020 is probably 1/3rd of the way through the development phase at this point.

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They're so late to the party.  Everyone has already jumped on... and OFF this bandwagon.  Because it didn't work and no one wanted it.

 

Silverado Hybrid

Tahoe Hybrid

Yukon Hybrid

Escalade Hybrid

Aspen Hybrid

Durango Hybrid

 

All relegated to the dustbin, where they belong.

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They're so late to the party.  Everyone has already jumped on... and OFF this bandwagon.  Because it didn't work and no one wanted it.

 

Silverado Hybrid

Tahoe Hybrid

Yukon Hybrid

Escalade Hybrid

Aspen Hybrid

Durango Hybrid

 

All relegated to the dustbin, where they belong.

 

Ocnblu you know that they all ended up in the dustbin due to ignorance and lack of marketing by the companies. You design, build and bring out a 2 mode Hybrid that gets a constant 22 mpg and then do not bother to market and let the world know of it so of course it is going to die. 

 

If you talk to people who own them, they are going to drive these auto's till the wheels fall off and parts are no longer available. They are well built and do what they were designed to do, increased MPG in a full size SUV.

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Smallblock can achieve 22 MPG by itself without the crappy add-ons.

 

Yes so take the current small block and add the hybrid components and get even higher MPG. Really you need to accept change, otherwise you are going to have a hard time with the future my friend.

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Smallblock can achieve 22 MPG by itself without the crappy add-ons.

 

So why not aim for better in the city and a little better on the highway?.... plus have outlets to run powertools (that's my main reason for interest in one)  The outlets in most cars don't have the amperage to run a power saw. 

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A 22 mpg hybrid sucks though. That is why the 2-modes failed. If this F150 gets 30 mpg city, and the small block Silverado is getting 16, Chevy better be worried. And 30 mpg is a realistic target I think. They took a Fusion from 24 to 48 mpg a 200% increase, 30 mpg on an F150 should be easy.

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A 22 mpg hybrid sucks though. That is why the 2-modes failed. If this F150 gets 30 mpg city, and the small block Silverado is getting 16, Chevy better be worried. And 30 mpg is a realistic target I think. They took a Fusion from 24 to 48 mpg a 200% increase, 30 mpg on an F150 should be easy.

 

How much can someone get wrong in a single post?

 

The Silverado Hybrid came out in 2008 and exactly ZERO V8 trucks at that time got 22mpg highway.  Not Ford, not Ram, not Nissan, not Toyota. In fact, the Silverado's city mpg beats the highway mpg of all of those I mentioned.   So, back then, it was a very large increase in fuel economy. The Silverado Hybrid was paired to the 6.0 liter V8 with 335 hp.   But you're comparing 8 year old technology to modern standards.  So let's put on our imagineering caps and think about this for a second.  The new 5.3 can already equal the old Silverado hybrid on highway MPG, it also has more horsepower than the old 6.0 liter.  Pairing the new 4-mode system to the 5.3 liter would do even better.  That's point one that you get wrong.

 

Point two - The Fusion hybrid system will NOT be the same system used in the F-150... it would be absolutely DAFT to think that would be the case.  People complained about only a 6,100 lb tow rating in the Silverado hybrid, so how low do you think the tow rating in a Ford F-150 with a CVT would be?!  the F-150 hybrid system would have to be completely different from the Fusion and not use a CVT.... so you CANNOT extrapolate anything from the Fusion. 

 

Point three - The two modes didn't sell because they were too expensive at the time, but the technology has been updated and lives on today, so it didn't "fail".  The system can be anything from a basic hybrid setup to a full plug-in system like the Volt.  The only determining factor is number of batteries you can pack into the vehicle. 

 

Point four - The technology at GM is ready today, they just need to install it in their trucks.... it won't take till 2020 to do that.

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They're so late to the party.  Everyone has already jumped on... and OFF this bandwagon.  Because it didn't work and no one wanted it.

 

Silverado Hybrid

Tahoe Hybrid

Yukon Hybrid

Escalade Hybrid

Aspen Hybrid

Durango Hybrid

 

All relegated to the dustbin, where they belong.

 

Agreed. The market for hybrid trucks just isn't there. I'll be shocked if the Ford hybrid makes any waves. Diesel is the way to go, and I believe there's a rumor Ford is working on that, too.

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Ford hybrids up to now have been proven farces when it comes to ACTUALLY ACHIEVING the lofty numbers promised by the manufacturer.  They are silly wastes of time and they need to fall by the wayside like any other failed idea.

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Ford hybrids up to now have been proven farces when it comes to ACTUALLY ACHIEVING the lofty numbers promised by the manufacturer.  They are silly wastes of time and they need to fall by the wayside like any other failed idea.

 

The Fusion Hybrid is rated at 42 MPG combined... and it seems to get... 42mpg combined

The Ford CMax Hybrid is rated at 40 MPG combined.... and it seems to get a bit over 40 mpg combined

 

soo.... 

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    • By William Maley
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      Not much has changed outside since we last checked out the 4Runner in 2016. It still has a blocky and chunky look that helps it stand apart from other SUVs. This Venture model adds several goodies such as TRD wheels, blacked-out trim pieces, and a Yakima roof rack; perfect if you decide to go adventuring. Inside, Toyota has made a massive update to the infotainment system. A larger eight-inch touchscreen running an updated version of Toyota’s Entune system is standard. This change makes it so much easier to operate the system either parked on while on the move. It doesn’t hurt that this system also brings forth Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Aside from this, the interior hasn’t changed. There is plenty of space for those sitting in the front or back, and controls are well marked. Power comes from the old, but reliable 4.0L V6 with 270 horsepower and 278 pound-feet of torque. This is paired with a five-speed automatic transmission. The base SR5 can be equipped rear-wheel or four-wheel drive, while other trims only come with four-wheel drive. The 4Runner’s performance is adequate. Around town, the V6 can get up to speed quickly and smoothly. But it struggles when trying to get up to higher speeds. Adding an extra gear would allow for more flexibility in terms of performance. It would also help fuel economy as I saw 15.4 mpg for the week. EPA figures are 16 City/19 Highway/17 Combined. My average for the week landed at 15.4 mpg. The 4Runner’s roots of being an old-school SUV show up prominently when driving on pavement. It has noticeable body roll-around turns and the ride quality is rough. One area that I sadly did not get to test was the off-road capability. With such features as Multi-Terrain Select and Crawl Control, this helps make the 4Runner very capable off-road. The 4Runner should be considered by someone who wants to venture off-road. For those who are planning to commute or go on family trips while on pavement, Toyota has other models that should be considered first.
      Land Cruiser Heritage Edition
      The Heritage Edition adds some nice touches to the Land Cruiser’s exterior such as 18-inch BBS wheels with a bronze finish, black accents for the front grille, and vintage-style “Land Cruiser” badges on the rear pillars. The Heritage Edition does lose the entry steps found on the standard model, making it somewhat difficult to get in and out. The interior looks somewhat boring in terms of the design, but Toyota nails the materials. Wood trim, supple leather, and soft-touch materials make this a very pleasant place to be in.  Despite having one of the larger screens in Toyota’s utility lineup, the Land Cruiser’s infotainment system leaves a lot to be desired. Using an older version of Entune, it feels sluggish and the graphics look somewhat dull. No Apple CarPlay or Android Auto to be found here as well. Anyone sitting in the front or second-row will have no complaints about space or comfort. No third-row is available on the Heritage Edition which helps boost cargo space from 41.3 cubic feet (with the third-row folded) to 53.5. Under the hood is a 5.7L V8 engine producing 381 horsepower and 401 pound-feet of torque. This is paired with an eight-speed automatic and a full-time four-wheel drive system.  Performance from this engine is impressive considering the Land Cruiser’s curb weight of almost 6,000 lbs. It will move away from a stop much faster than you first think. The only place where the engine seems to run out of steam is on the highway. The eight-speed automatic does an excellent job of providing smooth and quick shifts. I do wish it wasn’t giddy with trying to shift into top gear quickly. Fuel economy isn’t great with EPA figures of 13 City/17 Highway/14 Combined. I only got 13 mpg during my week. I was surprised at how well the Land Cruiser drove on pavement. It felt stable and provided a ride that made even some of the roughest roads feel smooth. There is a fair amount of body roll when cornering, but that is to be expected considering the size and intended purpose of this vehicle. I am bummed that I didn’t get the chance to take the Land Cruiser off-road during my week. But from reading other reviews, very few vehicles can match what is on offer. How to sum up the Land Cruiser Heritage Edition? This is a vehicle that will not impress most due to the poor fuel economy and aging infotainment system. But for a small group who are wanting something that can take them anywhere and back, and do it in comfort, the Land Cruiser is the right vehicle. (Addendum: As I post this review a few months late, I have some news on the Land Cruiser. Earlier this month, Toyota unveiled the next-generation model with a new twin-turbo V6 replacing the V8. The outside doesn't look that much different from the current model, but the interior has underwent some major changes. It is unclear whether or not we'll see this model arrive in the U.S. The best chance we possibly have is next-generation LX. Stay tuned. -WM)
      Disclaimer: Toyota Provided the SUVs, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas
      Year: 2020
      Make: Toyota
      Model: 4Runner
      Trim: Venture
      Engine: 4.0L DOHC 24-Valve V6
      Driveline: Five-Speed Automatic, Four-Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 270 @ 5,600
      Torque @ RPM: 278 @ 4,400
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 16/19/17
      Curb Weight: N/A
      Location of Manufacture: Tahara, Aichi, Japan
      Base Price: $44,285
      As Tested Price: $48,877 (Includes $1,120.00 Destination Charge and $730.00 Keep It Wild discount)
      Options:
      Kinentic Dynamic Suspension Suspension System (KDSS) - $1,750.00
      TRD Pro Exhaust - $799.00
      Power Tilt/Slide Moonroof - $730.00
      Running Boards - $345.00
      Cargo Floor Mats & Cargo Mat - $269.00
      Door Edge Guard - $79.00
      Year: 2020
      Make: Toyota
      Model: Land Cruiser
      Trim: Heritage Edition
      Engine: 5.7L DOHC 32-Valve VVT-i V8
      Driveline: Eight-Speed Automatic, Four-Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 381 @ 5,600
      Torque @ RPM: 401 @ 3,600
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 13/17/14
      Curb Weight: 5,715 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Toyota, Aichi, Japan
      Base Price: $87,645
      As Tested Price: $89,239 (Includes $1,295.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Glass Breakage Sensor - $299.00
    • By William Maley
      Have you ever wondered what it would be to add all-wheel drive to a Prius? What about adding slightly more sport to a Corolla hatchback? Wonder no more as I can tell you some thoughts on the 2020 Toyota Prius AWD-e and Corolla XSE hatchback.
      Prius XLE AWD-e
      The Prius AWD-e powertrain is mostly the same as you'll find in the standard model - a 1.8L inline-four paired with an electric motor to provide an output of 121 horsepower. But, the e-AWD adds a second electric motor producing 7 horsepower and 40 pound-feet onto the rear axle. This provides extra traction and helps with initial acceleration (up to 6 mph). The other change deals with the battery as Toyota swaps the lithium-ion pack for a nickel-metal hydride. Toyota says the nickel-metal hydride chemistry has better resilience in extremely cold temperatures. Does the addition of a second electric motor make the Prius any faster? Not at all. It feels the same as the standard Prius; fine in stop-go driving, but struggling during hard acceleration such as merging onto a freeway. The AWD system is very unobtrusive, you don’t notice come on when one of the front wheels loses traction. There is an important caveat to note; this system only operates up to 43 mph. This is likely due to Toyota wanting to keep somewhat high fuel economy figures. As for fuel economy, the EPA rates the Prius AWD-e at 52 City/48 Highway/50 Combined - the lowest of any Prius model. My average for the week was a slightly disappointing 47 mpg. Handling characteristics are the same as the standard Prius. It's slightly fun to drive on winding roads with minimal body roll, but the steering is lackluster. Ride comfort is excellent with most bumps being ironed out. The AWD option does make the Prius a more appealing option for those living in the snow belt who still want excellent fuel economy. Corolla XSE Hatchback

      Toyota wants to make it clear the XSE is the sporting version of the Corolla Hatchback and it shows on the exterior. There is a distinct rear wing, 18-inch wheels with black inserts, and a body kit that makes the hatchback stand out from the plain-jane SE. Power comes from the same 2.0L inline-four found in the SE, producing 169 horsepower. In my tester, I had the standard six-speed manual. The CVT is an option. I was hoping for a slight improvement in overall performance with the manual, but it’s similar to the CVT. The engine feels more suited around town where it can get up to speed pretty quick. But it does show some signs of struggling when trying to reach higher speeds. The manual transmission is a mixed bag. The throws are a bit too long for any sort of enthusiastic driving and it is slightly difficult to slot into the next gear due to the vague feeling gate. But, the clutch is very easy to modulate. Despite having a sportier tune for the suspension, I couldn't tell any difference in the handling between this and the SE hatchback I drove in 2020. Both feel agile and composed when driven on a curvy stretch of pavement. I will say the SE does a better job of minimizing impacts from bumps and potholes with smaller wheels. The only reasons I see picking the XSE over the SE is for the more aggressive looks and additional standard equipment (dual-zone climate control, 7-inch screen in the instrument cluster, and power-adjustable driver seat). Otherwise, the SE offers the same driving dynamics, manual transmission, and a slightly better ride for less money. Disclaimer: Toyota Provided the vehicles, Insurance, and One Tank of Gas
      Year: 2020
      Make: Toyota
      Model: Prius AWD-e
      Trim: XLE
      Engine: 1.8L DOHC 16-Valve VVT-i Four-Cylinder, AC Synchronous Motor
      Driveline: ECVT, All Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 96 @ 5,200 (Gas): 71 @ 0 (Electric Motor 1): 7 @ 0 (Electric Motor 2): 121 (Combined)
      Torque @ RPM: 105 @ 3,600 (Gas): 
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 52/48/50
      Curb Weight: 3,220 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: 
      Base Price: $28,375
      As Tested Price: $31,757 (Includes $995.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Advanced Technology Package - $800.00
      Year: 2020
      Make: Toyota
      Model: Corolla Hatchback
      Trim: XSE
      Engine: 2.0 DOHC 15-Valve D-4S with Dual VVT-i Four-Cylinder
      Driveline: Six-Speed Manual, Front-Wheel Drive
      Horsepower @ RPM: 168 @ 6,600
      Torque @ RPM: 151 @ 4,800
      Fuel Economy: City/Highway/Combined - 28/37/31
      Curb Weight: 3,060 lbs
      Location of Manufacture: Aichi, Japan
      Base Price: $23,240
      As Tested Price: $26,450 (Includes $955.00 Destination Charge)
      Options:
      Black Roof, Spoiler, and Side Mirrors - $500.00
      Adaptive Headlights - $415.00
      Rear Window Spoiler - $375.00
      Carpet Mat Package - $249.00
      Door Sill Protectors - $165.00
      Black Emblem Overlays - $129.00
      Mudguards - $129.00
      Door Edge Guard - $125.00
      Rear Bumper Protector - $89.00
      TRD Air Filter - $79.00

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