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http://www.motortrend.com/news/comparison-audi-s6-4-0t-quattro-vs-cadillac-cts-v-sport-vs-lexus-gs-f/

 

To sum up, the Cadillac won very well, and it stood the test of time.

 

Mainly, it was about delivering a solid blend of luxury and performance. And the Cadillac did it all, at a great price.

 

I think that's what is great about the win. The Merecedes E Class was excluded because it's due to be replaced and the 5 Series didn't represent Europe as well as the A6.

 

I think it shows maturity with design, that it can hold up after a few years pass by and the competitors try to catch up.

 

A great win for the home team!

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Amzing isn't it? The American came in and took on Japan and Germany and beat both their tired asses AGAIN. The specs reiterate what I'm saying even more. The Caddy versus the Lexus is interesting in that the Lexus has a V8.. a whopping 47HP more, but the anemic torque band leaves the thing looking weak. The Cadillac, still manages to come within mere 10ths of the GS-F while not even being the Top dog CTS. $85K vs $71K.. while the CTSV still comes in at $2K less than the LExus.. and we all kno how that battle would end.  :wavey:

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I really think the Audi lost not because it was beaten outright by the Cadillac - it was the comfiest and fastest in a straight line. Age didn't get it either. Price though doesn't help.

 

It was just physics. The engine sits out in front of axle, and that hasn't changed in while. So it's not okay to pretend Audi has been always about beating BMW or any other handling benchmark. Steering fell short - but only because Lexus and Cadillac have finally meaningfully exceeded them. I think Quattro does help, but you can't kit an Audi any other way at that price, so you have to factor that in too. And AWD saps some steering feel because you can't use power oversteer. So I think digging the Audi for AWD is actually a little unfair on the car because the configuration has certain benefits and drawbacks for criteria set for vehicle dynamics.

 

And some folks said getting a 3.0T would have been even more comparable to the Cadillac.

 

Again, nice win - a true showing of longevity, but the Audi is 3 years older than the Cadillac, and like the E Class is probably also going to be replaced. And I still think they'll still have a physics disadvantage. The price was in line with the Cadillac being that, and I must add it had subjectively the most liked interior and interior tech interfaces.

 

I almost feel that the Lexus disappointed the most, because it lacks adjustable dampening, a must at that price, and a must for any top-end performance model in that segment. 

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The engine thing is the argument I've been making about the Cadillac 3.6 V6TT for a while... and the engine is capable of even higher numbers as indicated by the 464hp and 445 lb-ft of torque when in the ATS-V.  That puts it just 3 horsepower shy of the 5.0 liter Lexus, however, the Cadillac makes its 464hp at 5750rpm while you have you spin the Lexus up to 7,100 rpm to get to its 467... so the Cadillac would feel much more powerful.

 

Also, they screwed up this comparison... sorta.  Base price on a V-Sport is not $71k.  You can get all of the V-Sport performance at the $61k the V-Sport really bases at, and at that price you are still in a 333hp A6 rather than S6.  The $71k Cadillac CTS V-Sport is pretty much loaded to the gills, and at that price you're in a base S6

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They had a Premium Plus S6, is that not above base? EDIT - The lack of sleep shows. I read the price comparo wrong.... The bloody S6 cost $7000!!!! more.

 

But yeah the Cadillac was indeed fully loaded. 

 

Expect in MT's own records a an A6 3.0T Quattro puts comparable 0-60 and quarter mile numbers to the VSport as it is.. I mean if they can forgo the AWD distinction, I think its fair to override it again. 

 

Cadillac needs to put AWD on VSport, and they're going to. It's just a matter of when. 

 

The LF4 does have the low-interia turbochargers though.

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Cadillac has firmly established itself as a player in the luxury-sport segment. Now it's a matter of getting consumers to ditch the brand snobbery.

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Not really. GM needs to introduce AWD to the CTS VSport, otherwise it'll never get the chance to sell to some buyers entirely. Variants. Yes, that's why GM is working on 11 new models for Cadillac.

 

I suppose that really means 3-5 new entire models and the rest being a variant of those.

 

Brand snobbery isn't much of a thing anymore. It's about value propositions and brand identity.  

 

A snob for Cadillac is a a snob like anyone else. Some people don't give a single damn about 0-60 or figure 8 times. In that case the Audi handily beat everyone in interior quality, being the oldest of all 3, and it's tech is the best in the business.

 

Now Cadillac needs to just bridge that gap just a bit more. But if someone wanted more of a sleeper look, more reserved, the Audi is hard to beat. And besides, this is just a prequel to the real comparison that will happen : the CTS versus the new E Class with comparable models.

 

I think it'll turn out just like the Mercedes C63 versus ATS-V. Not that it's a bad thing. But Cadillac needs to continue to evolve.

 

And Cadillac would love to be in the position where it charged more than anyone else. I'd hate for Cadillac to settle for some value pricing model for luxury. That's just not good for the long-run brand image. 

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Obviously not a popular opinion, but the Caddy would be my last pick here. Not because I dislike it, but because I like the S6 so much. I've been lucky enough to get some seat time in the S7, and that powertrain is just a gem. Add that to AWD and Audi's stunning interiors, and I'm sold. For the Lexus, I know it is going to be a pretty uncommon piece, and I'd rather have an NA V8 over a boosted 6. So it's the Caddy in last for me.

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I'm actually not sure which I would take out of this bunch. Being in the mid-west and usually getting more snow than we did this year would have me leaning towards the S6 right from the get-go because fairly wide tires(275's) on a RWD car make for not the best winter vehicle. I don't make high speed runs but the pull from an AWD car over RWD would be pretty awesome as well. The interior definitely LOOKS nicer in the Audi as well, without sitting in any of them. A close second is the Lexus though. Most of all I know I wouldn't be taking advantage of a superior chassis over AWD 99% of the time. Plus, being a smidgen quicker to 60 & 100 with a V8 is a bonus. Actually, if I'm being honest, If I can afford a 70k or whatever these rang up at I don't care about the fuel economy advantage of the turbo 6 in the Cadillac.

 

Just looked and the Audi is rated at 18/27 and the Caddy is rated at 16/24.  

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Put aside my alliance with Cadillac,  this is a tough choice for me to make in the real world.

 

Like CCAP said, living in snow country, FWD or AWD means more to me than anything else, but in this category, AWD is kinda useless, the extra heft nullifies the nature of these beasts...Id almost never buy the AWD version of a RWD sports sedan....yes I now, the Audi is not RWD based...its still a sports sedan with RWD intentions...and I am very very impressed with Audi's interiors...

And the Audi has a V8 motor as compared to a V6 in the V-Sport Cadillac.

 

Therefore...both Cadillac CTS V-Sport and Audi S6 both have qualities that I dearly respect for the real world.

But there is one criteria from the real world that I will use to determine the winner for me...and its based off of emotional and visual cues.

 

Its too bad the Audi S6 is bland and boring and still looks like its predecessor from a decade ago.

Some like that conservative styling...and I also like it...had it not been for the fact that the A6/S6 looks EXACTLY like a stretched A4/S4...

So that makes 2 faults with the visuals of the A6/S6...OK 1.5 faults as I do like the conservative styling of the A6/S6...and i could easily live with the bland conservative styling...but it looks toooo much like its smaller brother...

 

This is where Cadillac shines. It looks nothing like its siblings, still has that familiar Arts and Science Cadillac look while still keeping it different but same, has that Cadillac boldness but at the same time reserved, unlike its hotter boy racer version the "V".

 

So based on emotions...because enthusiast cars are all about the numbers, but also about emotions....the Cadillac wins for me.

 

On a side note...I wish the Cadillac CTS V used all that aero packaging like it does now, but the styling toned down quite a bit so it wouldnt have been so boy racer....

 

I keep saying this all the time: The only full on boy racer styling I like on cars is Lamborghinis and Pontiacs.

Subaru WRX STis and classic muscle cars.

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An A6/S6 looks no more like an A4/S4 than a CTS does an ATS, XTS, or CT6. At a glance, the average person wouldn't be able to tell them apart.

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An A6/S6 looks no more like an A4/S4 than a CTS does an ATS, XTS, or CT6. At a glance, the average person wouldn't be able to tell them apart.

Audi is a way bigger offender in the "lookalike" category than Cadillac, but you have a point.

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An A6/S6 looks no more like an A4/S4 than a CTS does an ATS, XTS, or CT6. At a glance, the average person wouldn't be able to tell them apart.

No Frisky....

 

The CTS looks NOTHING like the ATS...nor the CT6.

 

The ATS...looks like a cross between last generation CTS and new CTS, but the new CTS has a much much different front end...even the average Joe could tell it apart. The CT6...well yeah...part of the Arts and Science family...but waaay different.

 

The XTS...looks like a whale.  A stance that has a very nose heavy feel about it. Even Average Joes can see that a mile away. The least attractive of the Cadillacs, and its going away.

 

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Different length of sausages.

 

Cadillac on the other hand...has similar features...sure...but there is a slight variation to each where it does not seem like same sausage different length.

The lines across the bodies are waaaaay different but with Audi and now Mercedes-Benz, they keep the same body lines as well..

 

Same stance...but different lines to achieve same stance.

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This one leans less front wards and it seems to be more level...

Has about the same side lines as the CTS, but different enough.

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The XTS...just a whale...

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Do the same with Audi, and you will see that the body lines are identical...just the length of the body changes...

 

The Average Joe could actually pick up those slight difference in the Cadillacs...but even enthusiasts have a hard time telling the difference in the Audis from afar. 

 

If people cant tell the differences in the Cadillacs, its because those people wont know the different between a Ford Fusion and an Aston Martin anyway...and even then, I had a customer tell me the 2013 Ford Fusion looks like a Jaguar...so...those people are hopeless anyway...

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An A6/S6 looks no more like an A4/S4 than a CTS does an ATS, XTS, or CT6. At a glance, the average person wouldn't be able to tell them apart.

Audi is a way bigger offender in the "lookalike" category than Cadillac, but you have a point.

 

I somewhat agree but the newest CTS and CT6 will be as easily mistaken as the A3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10..in my opinion.. The ATS definitely has a more different look to(two different generations. I think the next gen ATS or whatever they call it will fall in line and also be easily mistaken for a CTS/6 as well) it but I think the CTS and CT6 are about on par with the "Classes" at MB, the "Series" at BMW, and the #s at Audi in how similar they are to their siblings. 

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An A6/S6 looks no more like an A4/S4 than a CTS does an ATS, XTS, or CT6. At a glance, the average person wouldn't be able to tell them apart.

Audi is a way bigger offender in the "lookalike" category than Cadillac, but you have a point.

 

I somewhat agree but the newest CTS and CT6 will be as easily mistaken as the A3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10..in my opinion.. The ATS definitely has a more different look to(two different generations. I think the next gen ATS or whatever they call it will fall in line and also be easily mistaken for a CTS/6 as well) it but I think the CTS and CT6 are about on par with the "Classes" at MB, the "Series" at BMW, and the #s at Audi in how similar they are to their siblings. 

 

Yeah, it's never been a big deal to me when a company go for keeping a familiar look across their lineup. That's part of brand recognition. I just think Audis are the hardest to tell apart from afar, whereas I don't have that kind of "issue" with Cadillacs. 

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Beautiful cars. They just look very VERY similar to people who aren't us, enthusiasts. 

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An A6/S6 looks no more like an A4/S4 than a CTS does an ATS, XTS, or CT6. At a glance, the average person wouldn't be able to tell them apart.

Audi is a way bigger offender in the "lookalike" category than Cadillac, but you have a point.

 

I somewhat agree but the newest CTS and CT6 will be as easily mistaken as the A3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10..in my opinion.. The ATS definitely has a more different look to(two different generations. I think the next gen ATS or whatever they call it will fall in line and also be easily mistaken for a CTS/6 as well) it but I think the CTS and CT6 are about on par with the "Classes" at MB, the "Series" at BMW, and the #s at Audi in how similar they are to their siblings. 

 

Yeah, it's never been a big deal to me when a company go for keeping a familiar look across their lineup. That's part of brand recognition. I just think Audis are the hardest to tell apart from afar, whereas I don't have that kind of "issue" with Cadillacs. 

 

Yeah, for the most part I like the similarity and Audi is the worst offender but luckily I think one looks good so I think they all look good. lol

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Like I said...Cadillacs are different enough from each other, yet look the same...but still have a different enough look about them.

We could argue about what the Average Joe sees in his eyes until the cows come home, Audis have the EXACT body lines and stances across the board, while Cadillac differentiates that slightly. 

 

Therefore, just to recap my post about why I chose the Cadillac CTS V-Sport over the Audi S6...

Visually, the Cadillac CTS V-Sport for me...has that perfect balance of Cadillac boldness and conservativeness while looking slightly different from its other Arts and Science siblings, while the Audi S6...may be a tad too conservative for me, which I dont really mind at all, it looks tooo much like its smaller A4/S4 brother which is a deal breaker for me concerning the comparison between the Audi and the Cadillac...

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I'm going to go with another unpopular opinion here and say that I would go with the XTS V-Sport.  I'm not the competitive type, I have no need to prove my manhood with stop-light drag races.  I prefer the size and comfort of the XTS over any of these three, and living where I live, AWD is a requirement.   I like the air suspension on the XTS also.  Combined with magnetic ride control, it can make the ride soft or taut. 

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I'm going to go with another unpopular opinion here and say that I would go with the XTS V-Sport.  I'm not the competitive type, I have no need to prove my manhood with stop-light drag races.  I prefer the size and comfort of the XTS over any of these three, and living where I live, AWD is a requirement.   I like the air suspension on the XTS also.  Combined with magnetic ride control, it can make the ride soft or taut. 

 

Cooler heads prevail.

 

Now I wanna secretly pledge my allegiance to the flag of the United States of Lincoln Continental.

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I'm going to go with another unpopular opinion here and say that I would go with the XTS V-Sport.  I'm not the competitive type, I have no need to prove my manhood with stop-light drag races.  I prefer the size and comfort of the XTS over any of these three, and living where I live, AWD is a requirement.   I like the air suspension on the XTS also.  Combined with magnetic ride control, it can make the ride soft or taut. 

*Cough*  the XTS V-Sport was not in this comparison  *Cough* ;)

 

But in all seriousness... That is possibly the least attractive of all luxury branded, cars in my opinion(if extended to "vehicles" the X4/GLE would take the cake). I just am not a fan of the proportions more than anything else. Probably a fantastic cruiser and daily driver...just can't get on board with the looks compared to the rest of Cadillac's vehicles. 

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I'm going to go with another unpopular opinion here and say that I would go with the XTS V-Sport.  I'm not the competitive type, I have no need to prove my manhood with stop-light drag races.  I prefer the size and comfort of the XTS over any of these three, and living where I live, AWD is a requirement.   I like the air suspension on the XTS also.  Combined with magnetic ride control, it can make the ride soft or taut. 

 

Cooler heads prevail.

 

Now I wanna secretly pledge my allegiance to the flag of the United States of Lincoln Continental.

 

I like this idea... Although even less sporty than the 3 listed, more along the lines of the XTS but a gorgeous car in person, I'd like a 400hp Lincoln in my driveway. 

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Anyone who says the Cadillac models don't look like one another is just lying to themselves. Sorry. There's nothing wrong with it, but no reasonable person would say there is anymore distinction between Cadillac models than Audi models. They're both pretty big offenders of the 'same sausage, different length' mentality. BMW is a little better, Jaguar is a little worse. MB's all look the EXACT SAME.

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Definitely no worse than Cadillac, sorry.

 

 

 

And you can't use the fanboy argument here, either. I'm just calling it like it is.

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Anyone who says the Cadillac models don't look like one another is just lying to themselves. Sorry. There's nothing wrong with it, but no reasonable person would say there is anymore distinction between Cadillac models than Audi models. They're both pretty big offenders of the 'same sausage, different length' mentality. BMW is a little better, Jaguar is a little worse. MB's all look the EXACT SAME.

No Frisky...they dont look exactly the same...especially the way the Audis do...

 

Anyone who says differently is trying to justify an obvious biased opinion...

 

I showed pics...with the Cadillacs...

 

The ATS and the CTS look like they lean forward...as does the XTS...but the XTS has obvious FWD forward leaning stances...but the ATS and the CTS have that look because the body lines are designed that way...

 

The CTS has a body line that starts form the front wheel well and goes upwards towards the back crosses both door handles  and ends at the top of the back lights.

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The ATS has that also, but its very very subtle...while retaining the lean forward look...

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But because its so subtle...keen eyes need to notice that, but with the CTS its very apparent...

 

The CT6...the body lines are the same...the same line that starts from the front wheel well, crosses both door handles and finishes at the top of the backlights...but the CT6 stance is more level...it does not lean forward...at all...

It actually looks laid back rather than go get her forward.

 

And the body lines are not drawn at the same angles...

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Sure...someone could confuse that...but that someone could not tell a Ford from a Ferrari...

In Audis case...

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The same body line is the same across the board...the same stance...the same green house...

The same body line that starts from the top of the front headlight...crosses the side profile at exactly the same angle and finishes at the exact same spot which is at the top of the back light....having the same visual impact and the same profile and stance...

 

An observant Average Joe could actually tell the difference with Cadillac cars...

An enthusiast has difficulty with Audis from afar.

 

That is the BIG difference...

You could argue all you want...and at the end of the day..its just an opinion that you and I hold...

But...please...dont try to justify your bias...

 

I...have justified my biases with deep explanations and pics...

Do the same if you want to be on an equal footing with me.

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Anyone who says the Cadillac models don't look like one another is just lying to themselves. Sorry. There's nothing wrong with it, but no reasonable person would say there is anymore distinction between Cadillac models than Audi models. They're both pretty big offenders of the 'same sausage, different length' mentality. BMW is a little better, Jaguar is a little worse. MB's all look the EXACT SAME.

No one said that (that I'm aware of) Frisky. I merely stated that Audis were the worst offenders (especially when you throw in CUVs into the mix). I think BMWs are just as bad but again, that's just my opinion. 

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      QUARTER 4 (CALENDAR YEAR-TO-DATE) JANUARY - DECEMBER   2019 2018 %Change Volume   2019 2018 %Change Volume   Cascada 77 743 -89.6   2,535 4,136 -38.7   Enclave 10,143 14,420 -29.7   51,156 49,647 3.0   Encore 28,497 23,326 22.2   102,402 93,073 10.0   Envision 8,380 7,535 11.2   33,229 30,152 10.2   LaCrosse 463 2,118 -78.1   7,241 15,527 -53.4   Regal 1,514 3,110 -51.3   10,363 14,118 -26.6   Buick Total 49,074 51,257 -4.3   206,929 206,863 0.0   ATS 83 831 -90.0   1,134 10,859 -89.6   CT5 43 0 ***.*   43 0 ***.*   CT6 2,276 2,398 -5.1   7,951 9,668 -17.8   CTS 966 2,442 -60.4   6,965 11,219 -37.9   Escalade 8,889 9,573 -7.1   35,424 36,872 -3.9   XT4 8,895 7,573 17.5   31,987 7,785 310.9   XT5 11,168 13,582 -17.8   49,879 60,565 -17.6   XT6 7,169 0 ***.*   11,559 0 ***.*   XTS 1,062 5,063 -79.0   11,304 17,727 -36.2   Cadillac Total 40,551 41,462 -2.2   156,246 154,702 1.0   Blazer 23,008 27 ***.*   58,115 27 ***.*   Bolt EV 3,307 6,212 -46.8   16,418 18,019 -8.9   Camaro 11,474 11,135 3.0   48,265 50,963 -5.3   Colorado 25,484 30,004 -15.1   122,304 134,842 -9.3   Corvette 3,491 3,910 -10.7   17,988 18,791 -4.3   Cruze 2,699 32,955 -91.8   47,975 142,617 -66.4   Equinox 92,092 98,239 -6.3   346,048 332,618 4.0   Express 16,652 22,543 -26.1   77,457 81,239 -4.7   Impala 9,545 12,604 -24.3   44,978 56,556 -20.5   LCF 1,273 940 35.4   4,495 2,810 60.0   Malibu 34,314 37,084 -7.5   131,917 144,542 -8.7   Silverado HD 36,704 34,222 7.3   131,953 142,632 -7.5   Silverado LD 124,619 126,950 -1.8   438,686 442,943 -1.0   Silverado MD 2,018 6 ***.*   4,961 6 ***.*   Sonic 3,339 2,765 20.8   13,971 20,613 -32.2   Spark 11,016 5,174 112.9   31,281 23,602 32.5   Suburban 10,242 15,200 -32.6   51,928 60,633 -14.4   Tahoe 21,086 24,679 -14.6   101,189 104,153 -2.8   Traverse 33,631 39,536 -14.9   147,122 146,534 0.4   Trax 33,039 22,378 47.6   116,816 89,916 29.9   Volt 370 5,063 -92.7   4,910 18,306 -73.2   Chevrolet Total 499,404 531,985 -6.1   1,958,925 2,036,023 -3.8   Acadia 19,471 25,128 -22.5   99,429 88,621 12.2   Canyon 6,525 8,219 -20.6   32,825 33,492 -2.0   Savana 3,136 2,905 8.0   24,226 19,684 23.1   Sierra HD 18,228 16,550 10.1   59,871 60,389 -0.9   Sierra LD 50,494 50,762 -0.5   172,452 159,165 8.3   Terrain 28,060 31,595 -11.2   101,470 114,314 -11.2   Yukon 20,966 25,366 -17.3   74,673 80,784 -7.6   GMC Total 146,880 160,525 -8.5   564,946 556,449 1.5   GM Vehicle Total* 735,909 785,229 -6.3   2,887,046 2,954,037 -2.3                     78 selling days for the QUARTER 4 this year and 77 for same QUARTER last year.  
    • By Drew Dowdell
      Like every other automaker out there, Audi is looking to electrify their lineup, that includes models from the Audi Sport division that produces the S and RS models for Audi. 
      At the 2018 LA Auto Show, Audi introduced the E-tron GT Concept, based on the same platform as the Porsche Taycan.  The concept featured a dual-motor all-wheel drive setup producing 582 horsepower and about 600 lb.-ft of torque.  Powering that was a 96 kWh battery that Audi claimed would give a range of 250 miles and a 0-62 mph of 3.5 seconds. The production version will debut at the 2020 LA Auto Show, but we don't know yet if it will sport the same three tiers that the Porsche Taycan has with similar specs.   It is expected that the base E-tron GT will have a lower output and lower price than the Taycan.  The base model and S variant should be available at launch while the RS will follow along later. 
      In addition to the Audi E-tron GT, Audi Sport is busy working on electrified version of their RS models.  These will be plug-in hybrids, the first of which is expected to be the RS4 around the 2022 model year and then proceed up the line.  Since SUVs are all the rage, Audi is also working on an RS version of their E-tron Sportback SUV to compete head to head with the Tesla Model Y Performance.  The current E-tron Sportback makes a maximum of 402 horsepower in boost mode with its dual motors.  Audi has hinted that a third motor could be introduced for even more performance. 
      Audi will also take a second stab at an R8 E-tron.  The first one appeared in 2015 as a second generation R8, but was only in production for 16 months due to low demand, largely blamed on its $1.1 million price tag. Only 100 copies of the original R8 E-Tron were built. It used a dual motor setup pushing 456 hp and 679 lb.-ft of torque to the wheels with a promised range of up to 280 miles.  The next version of the R8 E-tron will likely see a power boost, but Audi is also working on bringing the price down to a more reasonable (for a supercar) price. Even with a substantial reduction in price, the R8 E-tron will likely only be a limited production model.
       

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