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FORD Replaces 4 year old 2.2 Liter Diesel with 2.0 Liter EcoBlue Diesel

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FORD Replaces 4 year old 2.2 Liter Diesel with 2.0 Liter EcoBlue Diesel 

 

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According to multiple site, but not found on FORD own corporate web site, FORD is replacing their 4 year old 2.2 Liter Diesel with a new Clean Sheet 2.0 Liter I4 Diesel that is a game changer among all the Diesel gate scandals hitting Europe.
 
 
 
 
According to these reports there will also be a 1.5 Liter EcoBlue Diesel. These engines are built to produce 20% greater torque at 1250 rpm, Certified to meet the Euro 6 Emission standards that go into effect September 2016 and is a global engine to be used everywhere including the US market.
 
Initial tune will come in 3 versions from 103 to 167 HP with performance versions up to 236HP. No comment on actual Torque numbers other than to say it will be north of 250 LB-Ft of the old 2.2 liter engine. Expect this to be found in just about all auto lines according to ford statements on these sites.
 
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Are these slated for US work? Like, will most of the smaller US lineup receive one of these? Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, Escape, maybe Edge? Then the more obvious Transit Connect. 

 

The name is "whatever" to me.. It will be economical and if they keep the pieces blue like the picture then it is Eco AND Blue ;) 

 

I'd take one to the tune of 180hp and 275tq in my Escape. I know I'd no longer have something quick but I'd have something that would probably get 35mpg highway. 

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Are these slated for US work? Like, will most of the smaller US lineup receive one of these? Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, Escape, maybe Edge? Then the more obvious Transit Connect. 

 

The name is "whatever" to me.. It will be economical and if they keep the pieces blue like the picture then it is Eco AND Blue ;)

 

I'd take one to the tune of 180hp and 275tq in my Escape. I know I'd no longer have something quick but I'd have something that would probably get 35mpg highway. 

For the cost of Diesel, it better be higher than 35, These engines need to be in the 40's for MPG or better.

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Are these slated for US work? Like, will most of the smaller US lineup receive one of these? Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, Escape, maybe Edge? Then the more obvious Transit Connect. 

 

The name is "whatever" to me.. It will be economical and if they keep the pieces blue like the picture then it is Eco AND Blue ;)

 

I'd take one to the tune of 180hp and 275tq in my Escape. I know I'd no longer have something quick but I'd have something that would probably get 35mpg highway. 

For the cost of Diesel, it better be higher than 35, These engines need to be in the 40's for MPG or better.

 

I don't drive a car though.. and AWD. Currently my 2.0 is rated 28mpg and I think the 1.6 is/was rated at 30mpg. Both AWD form. So 35 would seem about right, right? I mean FWD a 5mpg jump is pretty significant. 

 

I guess it would have to surpass the CX-5 handily and 35 wouldn't cut it.

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It is a startling about-face for Ford. Still, good on them for realizing that boosted gas engines aren't the be-all and end-all.

 

Im confused on how this is  " about-face ".

 

This engine is replacing a diesel already in the Ford lineup.

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It is a startling about-face for Ford. Still, good on them for realizing that boosted gas engines aren't the be-all and end-all.

 

On what premise?

 

Ford never said "Never Diesel" in the U.S. In fact, their V.P of Supply chain said Ford's actually seeing how well other diesel products do in the states. The Cruze diesel is still a unicorn, and dieselgate has shaken the entire diesel engine lineup decisions of many companies.

 

And we still don't know what it'll be put in. If it's a mid-size truck engine, then cool. If it's for the U.S. Transit (prolly not) but Transit Connect.

 

If it's in a Focus or Fusion, well Ford already makes diesel variants of its cars, just doesn't sell them here. 

 

Anyways, good try to put a spin on something that can't be spun.

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Let's be realistic here. Ford was beating the EcoBoost horse to death while GM and Mopar added diesels to their lineups and reaped the rewards.

This is a huge about-face for Ford. But better late than never.

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We don't know what products it will be available in yet.

 

And why would it matter? It's not a diesel engine one would expect in a light truck style vehicle. 

 

It's 2.0 litres of displacement. Probably not meant for a diesel pickup.

 

So how is it an about-face?

 

The absurdity of what you are saying is right up there.

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Let's be realistic here. Ford was beating the EcoBoost horse to death while GM and Mopar added diesels to their lineups and reaped the rewards.

This is a huge about-face for Ford. But better late than never.

In North America, FCA and GM added one diesel in their lineup, just like Ford.

FCA - Ram1500

GM - Colorado/Canyon ( No Cruze diesel )

Ford - Transit

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We don't know what products it will be available in yet.

 

And why would it matter? It's not a diesel engine one would expect in a light truck style vehicle. 

 

It's 2.0 litres of displacement. Probably not meant for a diesel pickup.

 

So how is it an about-face?

 

The absurdity of what you are saying is right up there.

Last time I checked, car and truck sales all added to a total amount. So no-my point is perfectly legit. Also, Cruze diesel.

But doubtless absurdity abounds.

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We don't know what products it will be available in yet.

 

And why would it matter? It's not a diesel engine one would expect in a light truck style vehicle. 

 

It's 2.0 litres of displacement. Probably not meant for a diesel pickup.

 

So how is it an about-face?

 

The absurdity of what you are saying is right up there.

Last time I checked, car and truck sales all added to a total amount. So no-my point is perfectly legit. Also, Cruze diesel.

But doubtless absurdity abounds.

 

 

 

Yup, Ford sure sells quite the number of diesel Super Duties and diesel Transits.

 

And there is NO diesel Cruze model ATM ( beside leftovers that collect dust on the lot ). It was a sales failure ( about 2% ) and was discontinued.

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Let's be realistic here. Ford was beating the EcoBoost horse to death while GM and Mopar added diesels to their lineups and reaped the rewards.

This is a huge about-face for Ford. But better late than never.

In North America, FCA and GM added one diesel in their lineup, just like Ford.

FCA - Ram1500

GM - Colorado/Canyon ( No Cruze diesel )

Ford - Transit

 

No Cruze? There was until this year and another is coming in 2017. The only reason for the gap is obviously because of the new model coming out.

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It's just semantics. We all know what's what. GM and Mopar made the initial inroads with modern diesels in NA and reaped the rewards. Ford is just following in what is now a proven path. And hey, like I said-better late than never.

As for the HD trucks argument: Ford was late to that party as well-at least as far as getting a RELIABLE diesel...

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It's just semantics. We all know what's what. GM and Mopar made the initial inroads with modern diesels in NA and reaped the rewards. Ford is just following in what is now a proven path. And hey, like I said-better late than never.  :bowdown:  :gm_logo:

 

Lol Posts like this are the reason for my downvotes. 

 

Complete and total fanboyisms. There were some more above but this was the best of them. 

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It's just semantics. We all know what's what. GM and Mopar made the initial inroads with modern diesels in NA and reaped the rewards. Ford is just following in what is now a proven path. And hey, like I said-better late than never. :bowdown::gm_logo:

Lol Posts like this are the reason for my downvotes.

Complete and total fanboyisms. There were some more above but this was the best of them.

That ain't fanboism. That's the truth.

Funny that you show the GM emoji, but I also specified Mopar.

Or maybe that just says it all about Fordies.

I'm going with that because the facts seem to bear it out. Downvoting me based on YOUR tunnel vision.

Sheesh. Sad sad sad

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It's just semantics. We all know what's what. GM and Mopar made the initial inroads with modern diesels in NA and reaped the rewards. Ford is just following in what is now a proven path. And hey, like I said-better late than never. :bowdown::gm_logo:

Lol Posts like this are the reason for my downvotes.

Complete and total fanboyisms. There were some more above but this was the best of them.

That ain't fanboism. That's the truth.

Funny that you show the GM emoji, but I also specified Mopar.

Or maybe that just says it all about Fordies.

I'm going with that because the facts seem to bear it out. Downvoting me based on YOUR tunnel vision.

Sheesh. Sad sad sad

 

So is GM a follower as well because we know they weren't the first here with a small diesel. How about Mopar? VW/BMW/MB have had small diesels way before the past 2-3 years.. But Ford is the follower.. you're right.  :duh:

 

THAT is why I called you a rabid fanboy. You blindly look past the real "originators" and pump your golden children up as if they were the first to bring small diesels here. 

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Just quit while you're ahead. I busted you on your tunnel vision, because you're a hater. Your own posts bear it out. Now, read my sig:

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GM Actually had small Diesels far before many of the auto companies. Perfect example is the outstanding Isuzu 4 banger Diesel they sold in the Chevy Love Truck during the 70's and even before that as Isuzu is the world leader in Diesel engine tech. So if we want to bow down to a company that really put out some amazing diesels and built for GM the Duramax Diesel, then look to Isuzu.

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Just quit while you're ahead. I busted you on your tunnel vision, because you're a hater. Your own posts bear it out. Now, read my sig:

Busted me on tunnel vision?

You're so full of it. You're so far up the General's ass you won't admit that VW/BMW/MB brought the small economical diesels(displacement between 2.0-3.0 liters) over here prior to your little golden children. I'm not even pumping up Ford. I'm just letting you know that you're not right that Ford is following GM and Mopar when the whole damn industry has made the shift and GM/FCA weren't the first ones.

 

dfelt, I know what you're talking about and w/o any research on my end you're probably spot on correct but those were the days of $h!, dirty diesels that people didn't like to hear or smell. 

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Yes, the diesels were dirty but Chevy did sell a ton of them as I know since I owned a 1976 Series 5 Luv Truck in both gas and diesel form. Those engines lasted almost a million miles each and I rebuilt both and sold them at a profit in the late 80's.

 

Guys lets also keep it civil. I know we all have our favorite brand but also need to agree to disagree at times. Please state your point and move on. No need to personally attack each other.

 

Please I do not want Drew to have to close down a interesting thread due to personal attacks. 

 

Keep it professional and your honest feeling about the products as I and others do appreciate your faith in a product line. Without our drive to support each company which has good and bad products at various times throughout the years this would not allow forums to grow and be a solid source of info.

 

Thank you,

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Yes, the diesels were dirty but Chevy did sell a ton of them as I know since I owned a 1976 Series 5 Luv Truck in both gas and diesel form. Those engines lasted almost a million miles each and I rebuilt both and sold them at a profit in the late 80's.

 

Guys lets also keep it civil. I know we all have our favorite brand but also need to agree to disagree at times. Please state your point and move on. No need to personally attack each other.

 

Please I do not want Drew to have to close down a interesting thread due to personal attacks. 

 

Keep it professional and your honest feeling about the products as I and others do appreciate your faith in a product line. Without our drive to support each company which has good and bad products at various times throughout the years this would not allow forums to grow and be a solid source of info.

 

Thank you,

 

Sorry his d-baggery just get's old like Wing's did. The blindness...The blindness. 

 

Delete this post if necessary, no skin off my back. 

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It's just semantics. We all know what's what. GM and Mopar made the initial inroads with modern diesels in NA and reaped the rewards. Ford is just following in what is now a proven path. And hey, like I said-better late than never. :bowdown::gm_logo:

Lol Posts like this are the reason for my downvotes.

Complete and total fanboyisms. There were some more above but this was the best of them.

That ain't fanboism. That's the truth.

Funny that you show the GM emoji, but I also specified Mopar.

Or maybe that just says it all about Fordies.

I'm going with that because the facts seem to bear it out. Downvoting me based on YOUR tunnel vision.

Sheesh. Sad sad sad

 

 

Actually, GM is pretty late to the party on light-duty diesels in North America as well.  All of the Germans have offered diesels for years, Jeep was selling diesels in the Liberty in 2005 and Grand Cherokee in 2007 with not one, but three different diesels. 

Ford's car diesels in Europe have a good reputation already, they just don't sell them in the US.  That's a marketing decision, not a technical one, so there is no "catching up" on Ford's part here.    I agree that Ford should sell this new 4-cylinder in the US, but hey, I don't sit in the corner office in Dearborn.   I think GM should sell the "whisper-diesel" in the US too... but again, no chair for me in the RenCen.

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It's just semantics. We all know what's what. GM and Mopar made the initial inroads with modern diesels in NA and reaped the rewards. Ford is just following in what is now a proven path. And hey, like I said-better late than never. :bowdown::gm_logo:

Lol Posts like this are the reason for my downvotes.

Complete and total fanboyisms. There were some more above but this was the best of them.

That ain't fanboism. That's the truth.

Funny that you show the GM emoji, but I also specified Mopar.

Or maybe that just says it all about Fordies.

I'm going with that because the facts seem to bear it out. Downvoting me based on YOUR tunnel vision.

Sheesh. Sad sad sad

 

 

Actually, GM is pretty late to the party on light-duty diesels in North America as well.  All of the Germans have offered diesels for years, Jeep was selling diesels in the Liberty in 2005 and Grand Cherokee in 2007 with not one, but three different diesels. 

Ford's car diesels in Europe have a good reputation already, they just don't sell them in the US.  That's a marketing decision, not a technical one, so there is no "catching up" on Ford's part here.    I agree that Ford should sell this new 4-cylinder in the US, but hey, I don't sit in the corner office in Dearborn.   I think GM should sell the "whisper-diesel" in the US too... but again, no chair for me in the RenCen.

 

I Vote for DREW to have a Seat at both FORD and GM. This way we get real world traveler input into what should be sold here. 

 

I agree both FORD and GM should have their diesels here in the US.

 

I fear though that due to the Diesel gate issues with Euro manufactures and mpg issues out of Japan that we will see a push away from the Diesel.

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      Specifically, Ford is:
      Accelerating the introduction of connected, smart vehicles and services customers want and value. By 2019, 100 percent of Ford’s new U.S. vehicles will be built with connectivity. The company has similarly aggressive plans for China and other markets, as 90 percent of Ford’s new global vehicles will feature connectivity by 2020. Rapidly improving fitness to lower costs, release capital and finance growth. Ford is attacking costs, reducing automotive cost growth by 50 percent through 2022. As part of this, the company is targeting $10 billion in incremental material cost reductions. The team also is reducing engineering costs by $4 billion from planned levels over the next five years by increasing use of common parts across its full line of vehicles, reducing order complexity and building fewer prototypes. Allocating capital where Ford can win the future. This starts with the company reallocating $7 billion of capital from cars to SUVs and trucks, including the Ranger and EcoSport in North America and the all-new Bronco globally. Ford also has plans to build the next-generation Focus for North America in China, saving capital investment and ongoing costs. Further, Ford is reducing internal combustion engine capital expenditures by one-third and redeploying that capital into electrification – on top of the previously announced $4.5 billion investment. Embracing partnerships. Ford will continue to leverage partnerships, remain active in M&A and collaborate to accelerate R&D. The company recently announced it was exploring a strategic alliance with Mahindra Group as it transforms its business in India, and Zoyte with the intention of developing a new line of low-cost all-electric passenger vehicles in China. When it comes to autonomous vehicle development, the company recently announced a relationship with Lyft to work toward commercialization and a collaboration with Domino’s Pizza to research the customer experience of delivery services. Expanding electric vehicle revenue opportunities. The company recently announced a dedicated electrification team within Ford, focused exclusively on creating an ecosystem of products and services for electric vehicles and the unique opportunities they provide. This builds on Ford’s earlier commitment to deliver 13 new electric vehicles in the next five years, including F-150 Hybrid, Mustang Hybrid, Transit Custom plug-in hybrid, an autonomous vehicle hybrid, Ford Police Responder Hybrid Sedan, and a fully electric small SUV. “When you’re a long-lived company that has had success over multiple decades the decision to change is not easy – culturally or operationally,” Hackett said. “Ultimately, though, we must accept the virtues that brought us success over the past century are really no guarantee of future success.” 
      Revamping product development, modernizing factories
      At the same time, Ford is redesigning its operations to better compete in this disruptive era.
      Hackett cites as a template the example of how the company reimagined the all-new 2015 F-150. Since then, the F-Series has gained market share and the average transaction price has increased 16 percent. It has improved fuel economy and increased capability for customers, thanks in part to a 700-pound weight reduction that helped make the F-150 the company’s most positive contributor to CAFE standards for model year 2018. Additionally, 90 percent of the manufacturing equipment can be reused for the next-generation F-150, reducing future capital requirements. Finally, the innovation on aluminum and light weighting will pay off across a range of Ford trucks and SUVs.
      Other priorities include:
      Reducing orderable combinations of many nameplates, focusing on what customers value most. Already the team has identified a ten-fold reduction of orderable combinations in the next-generation Escape and is moving from approximately 35,000 combinations in the current generation of Fusion to 96 in the next generation. Rethinking product development processes and incorporating new technology. In the next five years, Ford is aiming to reduce new vehicle development time by 20 percent, with new tools and fewer orderable combinations. Through the use of virtual assembly lines, the company has been able to reduce new model changeover time by 25 percent. Redesigning the company’s factories of the future. Accelerating and scaling 3D printing, robotics, virtual reality tools and big data will improve logistics and enable a more efficient manufacturing footprint. “We believe Ford will achieve its competitive advantage by focusing deeply on our customers – whether they’re drivers, riders or cities – and that’s where we are playing to win,” Hackett said.
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