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Recent CD & MT Mustang v. Camaro Drive Tests

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So there were some recent tests done by MT and CD about the Mustang v. Camaro

 

I wasn't expecting the Mustang to hang close at all...like AT ALL. It even won the MT test, because it performed well, and was more livable. It also got equal FE to the turbo Camaro....which makes no sense at all. Bigger engine, heavier car....worse fuel, stickier tires...which are also bad for FE used in case of the Mustang.

 

But the Mustang did well against the Camaro in the hands of CD, in most objective performance areas it was better, even if it didn't feel better.

 

Gotta give the hand to GM though, they definitely can make some good sounding lower spec'd engines.

 

I found the price points very similar - but advantage Ford. And in that case, even though Ford may market the 2.3 as the mid-level engine - you'd be hard pressed to find in the Camaro whether you want the 2.0T or the V6. The V6 gives no performance benefit over the 2.0T. Only sounds better, and costs more....and anywhere else it'd like a slight benefit.

 

It was kinda weird how the performance upgrade gets the Stang the better tires factory equipped. I mean, tires are a big deal, and they can change a car completely just like a transmission change or engine tune. So getting good rubber, at a lower price point to exceed the competition..while kinda like a band-aid....it worked.

 

Ultimately, the Mustang provided equal performance, equal FE in the case of the MT test, equal FE (1 mpg better, but again) in a heavier car, but also getting the benefit of car that is more daily drivable. It's not like the Camaro was soundly beaten either test. But again, it kinda shows how the cars can be pretty darn close the way they are packaged while being at nearly the same price point, outside of the GT vs SS comparo.

 

I would say while the 2.3 EB is the mid level engine in the Mustang, the cyclone V6 is tired and old....the 2.3 is the better engine, it may not sound all that impressive while doing it. And the Camaro - you might as well get the 2.0T. Same FE, same performance, but lighter feeling car, and then when the stock rubber wears out, get the good stuff.

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No clue why the MT article released today tested the Camaro 2.0 on 91 octane and the Mustang 2.3 on 87 octane. 

 

I liked how they were very similarly priced yet the mid engine for the Mustang and bottom engine for the Camaro. Really shows how they are priced. 

Camaro tested: $33,320 | 2LT + RS + Brake package

Mustang tested 32,540 | Premium + Performance Package

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GM's already having a higher base price. Making the same tires as the Mustang an available option on the 2.0T seems like a bit of an oversight.

 

What is interesting though is that most folks or bots buying pony cars do not get the V8s. So in that light, suddenly the Mustang can actually compete, heck tie in an even split between two mags.

 

And the fuel thing.  A weird decision, but we do know the Mustang would have actually been even better on the track if it had premium fuel used for performance testing.

 

It's pretty clear, the base Mustang Ecoboost is not exactly the mid-level engine actually, more of a better alternative at this time to the cyclone V6. Heck it still starts $55 cheaper than the Camaro. 

 

EDIT - The way I feel about the Mustang EB engine - it may seem like the mid-level engine - but in my mind, it's the only base engine worthy of being able to compete against the non-SS or above models.

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Scott Evans cleared the air on the MT test w/ the 2.3t and 2.0t and said both cars WERE tested with 91 octane California premium. The confusion is because Ford only "recommends" 87 but max performance is w/ 93.  And that is why in the column "recommended fuel" 87 is listed. 

 

I found this graph of two dyno pulls for the 2.3T mustang. One run on 87 and one run with 93 octane.

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http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/entertainment/news/a29427/transformers-the-last-knight-bumblebee/

 

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a29387/fourth-gen-camaro-was-the-best-camaro/

 

 

Above are two Road&Track articles that define my opinion on the Camaro....Alpha, Zeta and F-Body alike!

 

So yeah....No Trans Am, no problem. Ill take a Mustang please! Right after I take a Challenger!

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Well there you go. I think the Mustang won....but oddly enough, the folks had a hard time picking a winner. Even despite the terrible sound of the Mustang EB.

 

I would say the same. They're pretty close in the lower models.

 

But that's besides the point. The Mustang has its advantages and they are tangible, and useful all the time. You will always benefit from better visibility. You will always like that there's just the smidgen more space...and the trunk is far superior. The Corvette has a bigger trunk than the Camaro. The Camaro is geared towards a higher level of performance, which you have to actually attempt to experience. It may feel tighter. But imagine the Mustang as like the comfort mode drive setting on the Camaro. From there, the Mustang's appreciation for by the buying public and bots is completely explained.

 

The better cars for a specific purpose don't always win.

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http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/entertainment/news/a29427/transformers-the-last-knight-bumblebee/

 

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a29387/fourth-gen-camaro-was-the-best-camaro/

 

 

Above are two Road&Track articles that define my opinion on the Camaro....Alpha, Zeta and F-Body alike!

 

So yeah....No Trans Am, no problem. Ill take a Mustang please! Right after I take a Challenger!

That Rumblebee looks terrible. They just did too much to that lower front fascia. 

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Well there you go. I think the Mustang won....but oddly enough, the folks had a hard time picking a winner. Even despite the terrible sound of the Mustang EB.

 

I would say the same. They're pretty close in the lower models.

 

But that's besides the point. The Mustang has its advantages and they are tangible, and useful all the time. You will always benefit from better visibility. You will always like that there's just the smidgen more space...and the trunk is far superior. The Corvette has a bigger trunk than the Camaro. The Camaro is geared towards a higher level of performance, which you have to actually attempt to experience. It may feel tighter. But imagine the Mustang as like the comfort mode drive setting on the Camaro. From there, the Mustang's appreciation for by the buying public and bots is completely explained.

 

The better cars for a specific purpose don't always win.

Just shows what people value. 

 

The Camry example in sales shows people will purchase the name that's proven itself over time even though I doubt anybody working on today's Camry engineered the first ones that were known to be reliable as F. Some will value trunk space(example) or visibility that might be putting the Mustang over the hump in sales. Maybe a lot of us enthusiasts who do like the Camaro just don't buy them for "life" reasons.. 

 

Like you said, the "better" car doesn't always win. But then there are too many variables to really say one car is "better" than the other. You have to have a pretty specific category or goal in mind. 

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Sorry Suave but you should have left your little "op-Ed" about the V6 out of this. The V6 Camaro is better than the turbo four in every way shape and form (half second quicker to the 1/4 for starters).

Other than that, this does not surprise me. It also shoots down the WOT comments about the gas versus performance. The Camaro is the performance champ there while the Stang is the more livable daily driver choice. I have no problem with either's station in automotive life.

My big question is why was the Stang only rated at 275HP when it was indeed running on the good stuff?

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Sorry Suave but you should have left your little "op-Ed" about the V6 out of this. The V6 Camaro is better than the turbo four in every way shape and form (half second quicker to the 1/4 for starters).

Other than that, this does not surprise me. It also shoots down the WOT comments about the gas versus performance. The Camaro is the performance champ there while the Stang is the more livable daily driver choice. I have no problem with either's station in automotive life.

My big question is why was the Stang only rated at 275HP when it was indeed running on the good stuff?

Where was it rated at 275hp? I mean it performed like it was only putting out 275hp but I don't think Scott or Christian said anything about it only putting out 275hp. 

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Sorry Suave but you should have left your little "op-Ed" about the V6 out of this. The V6 Camaro is better than the turbo four in every way shape and form (half second quicker to the 1/4 for starters).

Other than that, this does not surprise me. It also shoots down the WOT comments about the gas versus performance. The Camaro is the performance champ there while the Stang is the more livable daily driver choice. I have no problem with either's station in automotive life.

My big question is why was the Stang only rated at 275HP when it was indeed running on the good stuff?

Where was it rated at 275hp? I mean it performed like it was only putting out 275hp but I don't think Scott or Christian said anything about it only putting out 275hp. 

 

You are right. I read that wrong. What I should have said is that according to some readers, if they would have used the cheap gas. it would have knocked it down to 275HP. It was part of this grand conspiracy being brought up by butthurt Ford fanboys that MT rigged the comparo even though they gave the Stang the win. Still means that the Camaro was faster in the 1/4 mile and quicker to 60 with 35 less HP. Seriously, how could anyone go wrong with either car?

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Well, one place where the V6 is better is that it unlocks the ability to get the incoming 1LE package.

 

But there is nothing about the 2.0T to scoff at. The Camaro performance wise compares to the BMW 3 Series very favourably. There on the 2.0T you can get M Performance parts. Though neither compete directly, the point I am trying to illustrate is that the 2.0T is a worthy engine for a pony car, because the Camaro is based off a luxury car.

 

But I really think if you're buying the non-track special/anything below SS....there the 2.0T is the equal of the V6 on many places. If there is an insistence on the buyer of focusing on the 1/4 miles times, any one of the GM or affiliate warranty approved tunes can match or exceed the V6, for probably less than the upgrade price to the V6. Beyond that...the 1SS is the entry point to greatness.

 

And what's noteworthy is that in the C/D comparo, the Mustang Ecoboost is faster 0-100, faster 0-130, 0.2 seconds faster in the quarter. So, neck and neck in metrics, trading places in others, the V6 Camaro being better in rolling starts.

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Sorry Suave but you should have left your little "op-Ed" about the V6 out of this. The V6 Camaro is better than the turbo four in every way shape and form (half second quicker to the 1/4 for starters).

Other than that, this does not surprise me. It also shoots down the WOT comments about the gas versus performance. The Camaro is the performance champ there while the Stang is the more livable daily driver choice. I have no problem with either's station in automotive life.

My big question is why was the Stang only rated at 275HP when it was indeed running on the good stuff?

Where was it rated at 275hp? I mean it performed like it was only putting out 275hp but I don't think Scott or Christian said anything about it only putting out 275hp.

You are right. I read that wrong. What I should have said is that according to some readers, if they would have used the cheap gas. it would have knocked it down to 275HP. It was part of this grand conspiracy being brought up by butthurt Ford fanboys that MT rigged the comparo even though they gave the Stang the win. Still means that the Camaro was faster in the 1/4 mile and quicker to 60 with 35 less HP. Seriously, how could anyone go wrong with either car?
In all fairness with the piss poor numbers I wouldn't have doubted it at all prior to Scott chiming in. There's a guy on the escape forum I'm on that ran a 14.55@(I think)97 with just a tune. Basically he would be side by side with a freakin 2016 mustang.

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Well, one place where the V6 is better is that it unlocks the ability to get the incoming 1LE package.

 

But there is nothing about the 2.0T to scoff at. The Camaro performance wise compares to the BMW 3 Series very favourably. There on the 2.0T you can get M Performance parts. Though neither compete directly, the point I am trying to illustrate is that the 2.0T is a worthy engine for a pony car, because the Camaro is based off a luxury car.

 

But I really think if you're buying the non-track special/anything below SS....there the 2.0T is the equal of the V6 on many places. If there is an insistence on the buyer of focusing on the 1/4 miles times, any one of the GM or affiliate warranty approved tunes can match or exceed the V6, for probably less than the upgrade price to the V6. Beyond that...the 1SS is the entry point to greatness.

 

And what's noteworthy is that in the C/D comparo, the Mustang Ecoboost is faster 0-100, faster 0-130, 0.2 seconds faster in the quarter. So, neck and neck in metrics, trading places in others, the V6 Camaro being better in rolling starts.

You do realize that there are V6 tunes right? There is a reason why the V6 is slotted in the middle with the Camaro.

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Well, one place where the V6 is better is that it unlocks the ability to get the incoming 1LE package.

 

But there is nothing about the 2.0T to scoff at. The Camaro performance wise compares to the BMW 3 Series very favourably. There on the 2.0T you can get M Performance parts. Though neither compete directly, the point I am trying to illustrate is that the 2.0T is a worthy engine for a pony car, because the Camaro is based off a luxury car.

 

But I really think if you're buying the non-track special/anything below SS....there the 2.0T is the equal of the V6 on many places. If there is an insistence on the buyer of focusing on the 1/4 miles times, any one of the GM or affiliate warranty approved tunes can match or exceed the V6, for probably less than the upgrade price to the V6. Beyond that...the 1SS is the entry point to greatness.

 

And what's noteworthy is that in the C/D comparo, the Mustang Ecoboost is faster 0-100, faster 0-130, 0.2 seconds faster in the quarter. So, neck and neck in metrics, trading places in others, the V6 Camaro being better in rolling starts.

 

Are U surprised that the Camaro 2.0L compares very well with the 3Series considering it is riding on the ATS's Alpha.. and is lighter?

 

Sidenote and off the cuff.. In terms of lux.. I test drove an SS the other day.. and despite the name.. the Camaro is actually more luxury than a BMW 3Series (barring the M3) in my opinion. 

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No not surprised at all that the Camaro is awesome (fer pete's sake, I want one badly, must own one - a blue 1SS with the flowtie and blue interior trim kit are heavenly)

 

The Mustang has fallen off a couple rungs on the performance ladder in its base, EcoBoost and GT variants. It can at times match the Camaro, but never exceed it unless you go to further up the variant ladder. But it makes up in other areas, which are arguably better suited for being a daily driver/roadtrip/rent-a-hertz vehicle.

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Well, one place where the V6 is better is that it unlocks the ability to get the incoming 1LE package.

 

But there is nothing about the 2.0T to scoff at. The Camaro performance wise compares to the BMW 3 Series very favourably. There on the 2.0T you can get M Performance parts. Though neither compete directly, the point I am trying to illustrate is that the 2.0T is a worthy engine for a pony car, because the Camaro is based off a luxury car.

 

But I really think if you're buying the non-track special/anything below SS....there the 2.0T is the equal of the V6 on many places. If there is an insistence on the buyer of focusing on the 1/4 miles times, any one of the GM or affiliate warranty approved tunes can match or exceed the V6, for probably less than the upgrade price to the V6. Beyond that...the 1SS is the entry point to greatness.

 

And what's noteworthy is that in the C/D comparo, the Mustang Ecoboost is faster 0-100, faster 0-130, 0.2 seconds faster in the quarter. So, neck and neck in metrics, trading places in others, the V6 Camaro being better in rolling starts.

If it weren't for the lack of performance packages I would actually rather buy the 2.0T in the Camaro than the 3.6 because I enjoy torque. Save the $1500 and buy an intake and a tune and you'd be damn close on hp and surpassing in tq by a large margin and still have money left over..aaaaand still get better fuel mileage. 

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2016 Chevrolet Camaro 2.0T Manual http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-chevrolet-camaro-20t-manual-test-review

"A Camaro with an inline-four sounds about as appealing as a tofu salad at a Chicago steakhouse. Judged only by the numbers, though, it’s still respectable. The 2.0-liter four, maxing out at 20 psi of boost pressure, is good for 275 horsepower and 295 pound-feet of torque. It might have the lowest output available in a Camaro, but the 2.0 is also the lightest version of the car at 3410 pounds, or 59 pounds less than the V-6 and more than 300 pounds lighter than the V-8.

 

With the least amount of mass to wrangle, the four and a quick-shifting six-speed manual pounce to 60 mph in 5.4 seconds. The quarter passes in 14.1 seconds at 97 mph. With the 335-hp V-6, we measured zero-to-60 and quarter-mile times that were 0.3 and 0.4 second quicker, respectively. But the numbers are only part of this story.

 

Fact is, the four-cylinder Camaro isn’t an endearing proposition. Despite the sound pumped into the cabin, the four’s gravelly voice is nowhere near as sweet as the optional V-6’s or V-8’s. The engine is unresponsive, too. It resists revs and feels as if it’s working against a massive flywheel. For the best acceleration, we launched at 4000 rpm and shifted between 6000 and 6500, well short of the 7000-rpm redline. Shifting any closer to the rev limit only wasted time. From its meek tone to its reluctance to play, the four doesn’t have a sporting bone in its block, no matter what the numbers read.

 

Some might argue that the four isn’t supposed to be the sporty choice; it’s the least expensive Camaro, and the efficient one. If only it were more efficient. In our hands, the 2.0-liter sucked down a gallon of premium every 19 miles, short of the EPA’s 24-mpg-combined estimate. We achieved an identical 19 mpg with the V-6, but at least the six happily burns regular.

 

The engine’s shortcomings are especially apparent since the rest of the Camaro is so good. A small, flat-bottomed steering wheel sends clear signals from the road. A stiff ride can be traced to aggressive spring rates and optional 20-inch wheels with run-flat tires, but the structure never quivers or protests. Despite the all-season rubber, the Camaro circled the skidpad at 0.89 g and stopped from 70 mph in 170 feet. Eager and playful, the Camaro practically begs you to spend $1495 for the V-6.

 

Seeing out of the Camaro remains difficult, and the design is a love-it-or-leave-it affair. Camaros aren’t for everyone, but a Camaro with a 2.0-liter turbo is, shall we say, for no one."

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^  A few things I found a little noteworthy and surprising.

 

1. 20psi of boost from the factory sounds fairly high for OEM(not bad or good, just an observation). I'm curious what the block and internals can hold up to if you just turn up the boost. 

2. 14.1@97 is right a long side if not in front of most Ecoboost Mustangs tested so far.

3. Sounds like most small turbo motors nowadays... weak top end, good mid range, literal "sounds" aren't pleasing to the ears. 

4. 19mpg. same as their tested V6

5. Premium fuel required?!?!?!? Even with a 2-3mpg advantage(that it is EPA rated) over the V6 it will still cost the owner more to run as premium is $0.60-0.70/gallon more than regular.

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Further Proof that the Turbo while a fun motor is a joke compared to what GM has built with DI NA pushrod engines.

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Also interesting in that MT article was the side article they did showing that the EB powertrain has gotten progressively weaker as it has been in production. Seems like Ford hasn't figured out how to do it right yet. When your mid-level ponycar can only make it to 60 in 6.3 you've got issues.

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Also interesting in that MT article was the side article they did showing that the EB powertrain has gotten progressively weaker as it has been in production. Seems like Ford hasn't figured out how to do it right yet. When your mid-level ponycar can only make it to 60 in 6.3 you've got issues.

You did read why the 0-60 was so slow, right? 

 

2nd gear tops out at 58mph so you're left to shift for a lone 2mph. It's a very deceiving number to look at. 

 

"Per our testing, the shorter 3.55 rearend actually hurts 0-60 performance, as the engine hits redline at approximately 58 mph, requiring an upshift to third gear before hitting 60 mph and costing time. The longer 3.31 rearend allows the engine to hit 60 mph before the engine hits redline in second gear, resulting in a better 0-60 number. However, this advantage is limited to the 0-60 stat only."

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Actually, it's more a matter of dialling back the transmission shift parameters, probably to meet claimed mileage figures. In any event, it's nearly a full second drop in little over a year.

Hey, if you don't mind having a 40-grand Mustang that is life and death off a green light to a Civic Turbo that's your decision. Just don't pretend it's no big deal, because it is.

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A direct quote from the article:

"This still leaves us with the underlying question of why EcoBoost-powered Mustangs are getting slower. We reached out to Ford after our most recent test with all our data. A Ford communications representative noted that the quickest manual transmission Mustang EcoBoost we tested (the second car) was a pre-production model and speculated that it may have had a 'different calibration.' He did not elaborate. He also speculated extremely hot weather could cause the computer to pull timing, but when presented with weather data showing the car was tested on a 55-degree day, he said 'it should’ve been making great power.'"

It SHOULD HAVE been making great power.

The gearing DOES NOT explain the slower times.

Ford HAS NOT replied on the issue further.

Ford has almost certainly had to back off on the EB because, as in the trucks, the reality simply couldn't match the hype. Hate if you must, but the only proper way to direct your anger is against the company that allowed this cluster to go down.

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^ Reasons why you're a douche.

 

1. Not 40k for an Ecoboost Mustang. You can option both turbo cars to 40k but they do not have to cost you 40k. An Ecoboost mustang can be bought for under 26k.

 

2. Honda Civic Turbo 1.5 has been tested running 15's in the quarter. 

 

3. If you're talking about the ricer Hondas w/ aftermarket turbos... they'll also eat up a bone stock turbo4 or v6 Camaro along w/ Mustangs. That's aftermarket. 

 

4. 14.1 in a Camaro isn't anything to toot our horn at either as a Honda Accord will be next to you the whole way. 

14.2@102 vs the Camaro's 14.1@97 

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-honda-accord-coupe-v-6-manual-test-review

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      Fresh sporting cues include a standard machined aluminum instrument panel appliqué with an available exposed carbon fiber version, plus newly designed door panel inserts in dark slate Miko® suede with accent stitching. A wrapped center console offers rich world-class craftsmanship. Standard Recaro race seats with firm side bolstering and open pass-throughs for safety harnesses offer the highest level of performance, while new power-adjustable seating is available with Miko suede inserts for those looking for added comfort.
      A new high-performance, custom-tuned 12-speaker B&O PLAY audio system by HARMAN is now available for the 2019 Mustang Shelby GT350, controlled via the now standard 8-inch SYNC® 3 touch screen that features SiriusXM and FordPass™ Connect. Dual-zone electronic automatic temperature control is now standard, along with a universal garage door opener.
      New colors for the 2019 Mustang Shelby GT350 include Velocity Blue and for the first time, Ford Performance Blue. Optional factory-painted over-the-top racing stripes are available in high-gloss Shadow Black, Oxford White or Kona Blue. Mirror-mounted Shelby Cobra Projection Lamps come standard in the available Technology Package.
      The 2019 Mustang Shelby GT350 will be available starting in early 2019 and will be built at Flat Rock Assembly Plant in Flat Rock, Michigan. Enrollment in an exclusive, complimentary Track Attack driving program from Ford Performance is included with each vehicle.

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    • By William Maley
      The Mustang Shelby GT350 is already quick around a track, but Ford believed they could do better. So they brought the GT350 into their workshop and made various tweaks and changes. The end result is the 2019 Shelby GT350 that not only promises to be quicker, but also easier to drive at the limit.
      It begins with the tires. Ford worked with Michelin on developing tires specific to the GT350. The end result is a set of special Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires with a unique tread pattern and compound. They wrap around a set of restyled 19-inch wheels. The anti-lock brakes and steering have been retuned to handle the performance of the tires.
      The suspension gets a new set of springs, anti-roll bars, and an updated tune for the MagneRide adaptive dampers. A new aero package includes a revised grille with sections that are blocked out, revised rear wing, and a Gurney flap.
      Ford has also worked on making the Shelby GT350 a bit more comfortable for passengers. There are new door panel inserts, power adjustments for the front seats, dual-zone climate control, 12-speaker audio system, and a eight-inch touchscreen.
      Pricing hasn't been announced, but the 2019 GT350 will be available beginning early next year.
      Source: Ford


      ‘Somewhere, Carroll Is Smiling;’ New 2019 Shelby GT350 Adds Tech From Mustang Road Course Racing And All-New Shelby GT500
      Upgraded 2019 Mustang Shelby GT350 improves on precision and balance all to deliver faster lap times and performance on-track and on the street 2019 Mustang Shelby GT350 performance enhancements include improved aerodynamics that reduce drag with the new spoiler and adds downforce with new available Gurney flap installed, new custom Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires, plus chassis and antilock brake tuning for dramatically greater grip Shelby GT350 benefits from Ford Performance Mustang road course racing experience and Shelby GT500 aerodynamic advancements, plus hundreds of hours of on-track and full vehicle simulations; Billy Johnson, Ford GT World Endurance driver, helped dial in final performance tuning DEARBORN, Mich., June 11, 2018 – To improve the new Ford Mustang Shelby® GT350 driver confidence and lap times, Ford Performance leveraged its Mustang road course racing programs and all-new upcoming Shelby® GT500, infusing GT350 with the very latest in track and street technology.
      “Somewhere, Carroll is smiling,” said Hermann Salenbauch, global director for Ford Performance vehicle programs. “The new Shelby GT350 is our ultimate track Mustang. We’ve stuck to Carroll Shelby’s original formula for winning championships and made our Shelby GT350 even better with the latest in race-proven aerodynamics, tire and chassis technology.”
      From F-150 Raptor to the Ford GT supercar, Ford Performance is creating authentic performance cars, trucks and utilities that deliver heart-pounding excitement for customers around the world.
      Next-level chassis technology and aerodynamics
      Building on a road course racing and track-focused legacy born in 1965, Ford Performance engineers and designers incorporated the latest advances in tire, aerodynamics and chassis technology into the 2019 Mustang Shelby GT350.
      Working exclusively with Michelin, the team also engineered new Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires with a Shelby GT350-specific tread pattern and different compound to deliver more grip for significantly improved acceleration and lateral acceleration, as well as braking. The 295/35 front and 305/35 rear tires are fitted to improved stiffness and optimize new 19-inch aluminum wheels.
      An all-new rear spoiler with optional Gurney flap and optimized grille closeout was designed and tuned with experience gained from wind tunnel development of the Ford Performance Mustang road course racing cars and upcoming Shelby GT500 model. Together, they deliver significant rear greater aerodynamic efficiency when equipped with the new optional Gurney flap on the rear spoiler, which will be available after launch.
      Upgrades to Mustang Shelby GT350’s standard MagneRide active suspension complement the aero and tire enhancements with recalibrated springs and revised damping to take full advantage of the improvements.
      Stopping power is provided by six-piston front and four-piston rear caliper Brembo™ brakes. For added control and improved driver feedback, Shelby GT350’s electric power-assist steering and three-mode electronic stability control settings feature enhancements taken from Ford Performance’s hundreds of hours of competitive track testing.
      Tuning with Billy Johnson in the driver’s seat
      Billy Johnson knows racing. As a driver for the FIA World Endurance Ford GT and IMSA Mustang GT4 programs, Johnson has broad expertise in what makes for a great driver’s car. He worked with Ford Performance to dial in the Shelby GT350 for 2019.
      Shelby GT350’s exclusive high-revving 5.2-liter V8 remains the most powerful naturally aspirated Ford production engine ever and the only one of its type in the segment – delivering 526 horsepower and 429 lb.-ft. of torque at a blistering 8,250-rpm redline. It’s mated to a track-proven and precise-shifting Tremec® 6-speed manual transmission.
      Johnson said the result of the new Mustang Shelby GT350’s aerodynamics tuning, revised brake calibration, and much greater downforce is a more balanced, higher-performing car on the straightaways and especially in the corners.
      “Along with improved grip, brake and chassis refinements, Shelby GT350 brings a whole new level of performance driving,” he said. “It’s a rewarding car to drive on track for amateurs and pros alike, while making the driver feel like a superhero. It’s confidence inspiring in corners and begs to be pushed harder and to take corners faster.”
      More craftsmanship, technology and style
      Inside, driver and passengers of the 2019 Mustang Shelby GT350 are treated to a comfortable, stylish and purpose-built cockpit boasting the latest in advanced technology and premium materials expected of a world-class sports car.  
      Fresh sporting cues include a standard machined aluminum instrument panel appliqué with an available exposed carbon fiber version, plus newly designed door panel inserts in dark slate Miko® suede with accent stitching. A wrapped center console offers rich world-class craftsmanship. Standard Recaro race seats with firm side bolstering and open pass-throughs for safety harnesses offer the highest level of performance, while new power-adjustable seating is available with Miko suede inserts for those looking for added comfort.
      A new high-performance, custom-tuned 12-speaker B&O PLAY audio system by HARMAN is now available for the 2019 Mustang Shelby GT350, controlled via the now standard 8-inch SYNC® 3 touch screen that features SiriusXM and FordPass™ Connect. Dual-zone electronic automatic temperature control is now standard, along with a universal garage door opener.
      New colors for the 2019 Mustang Shelby GT350 include Velocity Blue and for the first time, Ford Performance Blue. Optional factory-painted over-the-top racing stripes are available in high-gloss Shadow Black, Oxford White or Kona Blue. Mirror-mounted Shelby Cobra Projection Lamps come standard in the available Technology Package.
      The 2019 Mustang Shelby GT350 will be available starting in early 2019 and will be built at Flat Rock Assembly Plant in Flat Rock, Michigan. Enrollment in an exclusive, complimentary Track Attack driving program from Ford Performance is included with each vehicle.
    • By William Maley
      It seems the Cruze, Malibu, and Spark weren't the only cars that got enhanced for 2019. Today, Chevrolet revealed the 2019 Camaro which has gotten a number of changes.
      The most apparent change is a new face. Chevrolet has added various aerodynamic elements and new LED headlights to have the LS/LT, RS, and SS models stand apart. The RS Appearance Package features a reshaped black grille and lower chrome inserts. SS models get additional LED lighting, two-piece grille design, and the new 'flowtie' air intake emblem on a black crossbar. It's different to say in the least. We'll leave it to you to decide whether it is better.
      Other exterior changes include LED taillights, specific diffusers on RS and SS models with the dual-mode exhaust, and new wheel designs.
      Changes for the interior are minor with new ambient lighting options, a choice of a 7- or 8-inch touchscreen with the brand new Chevrolet Infotainment 3 software, and a rear camera mirror coming standard on the 2SS and ZL1 models.
      New for 2019 is the Turbo 1LE model. Taking the 2.0L turbo-four (275 horsepower and 295 pound-feet of torque), Chevrolet pairs it up with a six-speed manual, FE3 suspension (larger stabilizer bars, specifically tuned dampers, and stiffer bushings and ball joints), Brembo brake package, and new Track Mode and Competition Mode settings. Interestingly, Chevrolet benchmarked the Turbo 1LE model against the likes of the Honda Civic Type R and Volkswagen Golf R.
      SS models get the option of a 10-speed automatic.
      The 2019 Camaro arrives at Chevrolet dealers later this year.
      Source: Chevrolet
      Press Release is on Page 2


      CHEVROLET INTRODUCES BOLD 2019 CAMARO
      New designs, available tech and first-ever Turbo 1LE energize broader lineup DETROIT — Chevrolet today introduced a reinvigorated 2019 Camaro lineup with distinctive designs, new available technologies and the first-ever Turbo 1LE.
      “Lauded since its introduction for its balance of driving fun, refinement and value, the restyled 2019 Camaro reaches even higher with more of the design, technology and choices that customers want,” said Steve Majoros, Chevrolet marketing director for Cars and Crossovers. “It’s a performer with few competitors and a pillar of Chevrolet’s energized car lineup.”
      Highlights include:
      Camaro SS now offered with 10L80 10-speed paddle-shift automatic transmission featuring custom launch control and line lock Chevrolet Infotainment 3 systems, including available navigation New available Rear Camera Mirror* New available Forward Collision Alert* Performance-driven design 
      The 2019 Camaro’s updated designs are not only striking but also help to improve performance. For instance, the grille details and hood and fascia vents were designed for optimized air flow, either to cool components or help minimize drag or lift. Camaro designers follow the mantra that all elements must not only be beautiful but also enhance performance.
      Design highlights include:
      New front-end styling with distinct differences between LS/LT, RS and SS, including the fascia, grille, LED dual-element headlamps and reshaped hood (ZL1 retains its airflow-optimized front-end styling) SS-specific front fascia with “flowtie” open bowtie grille emblem and aero-enhancing air curtains, specific headlamps with new LED signature and extractor-style hood RS Appearance Package available on LT adds unique polished black grille with Galvano Chrome lower inserts, new LED headlamps with LED signature light bar, specific rear fascia with rear diffuser and 20-inch wheels New rear fascias for all models, with specific diffusers on RS and SS when equipped with Dual Mode Exhaust New LED taillamps with a more sculptured evolution of Chevrolet’s signature dual-element design; red lenses are featured on LS and LT, with RS, SS and ZL1 featuring dark-tinted neutral-density lenses New 20-inch wheel designs on RS and SS Turbo 1LE
      The new Camaro Turbo 1LE joins the V6 1LE, SS 1LE and ZL1 1LE to round out Camaro’s lineup of 1LE track stars. Leveraging the impressive performance and ideal weight distribution enabled by Camaro’s 2.0L turbocharged engine, the Turbo 1LE comes exclusively with a six-speed manual transmission and a tailored chassis package derived from the V6 1LE to offer track-capable performance. Highlights include:
      FE3 suspension with larger diameter front and rear stabilizer bars, specifically tuned dampers, stiffer rear cradle bushings and cross-axis ball joints in the rear tow links that enhance lateral stiffness Split front/rear summer-only tire sizes: P245/40R20 (front) and P275/35R20 (rear) 2.0L turbo engine with 275 hp (205 kW) and 295 lb-ft of torque (400 Nm) Brembo brake package with low-metallic performance pads Nearly 50/50 weight balance Driver Mode Selector with Sport Mode and new Track Mode; Competition Mode (within Sport and Track Modes) includes performance instrument readouts, launch control, shift lights and more Standard sueded flat-bottom steering wheel and shift knob plus available Recaro seats Camaro tech: next-generation infotainment, rear camera mirror and more
      The 2019 Camaro offers Chevrolet’s next-generation Infotainment 3 with all-new systems that provide a more personalized experience and a more intuitive interface.
      They’re the most advanced infotainment systems ever from Chevrolet, with functionality that mimics the latest smartphones and tablets, and cloud connection designed to enhance personalization, available navigation, voice recognition, apps and more. They even allow vehicle software updates to be automatically uploaded over the air.   
      The standard system features a 7-inch-diagonal color touchscreen. An 8-inch diagonal touchscreen running Infotainment 3 is available, including one with navigation.
      Additional new technology features and enhancements include:
      Standard Rear Camera Mirror on 2SS and ZL1 models offers a wider, less obstructed field of view using a camera display that eliminates potential obstructions such as rear body pillars or seat headrests; a conventional rearview mirror view is also available Improved standard rear-vision camera system* with a new, digital high-definition camera that offers improved view quality Forward Collision Alert joins Camaro’s roster of available active safety features Enhanced Performance Data Recorder system The 2019 Camaro joins Cruze, Malibu and Spark as part of Chevrolet’s revitalized 2019 lineup of cars.

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    • By William Maley
      About a month ago, we reported on a California Air Resources Board (CARB) document that revealed the 2019 Camaro could be getting a seven-speed manual for the 6.2L V8. At the time, speculation was that the manual transmission could come from the Corvette. But it appears this dream has been popped.
      Last week, Bozi Tatarevic on Twitter uncovered that the document listing the seven-speed manual for the Camaro was marked as a canceled. A new document uploaded on the same day shows the 'Trans Type' being a six-speed manual and 10-speed automatic. CarBuzz speculates that the seven-speed transmission has been pushed back to 2020. Our guesses as to why GM pulled the seven-speed off the CARB document could either be that GM ran into issues with fitting the Corvette's seven-speed in the Camaro - the transmission mounts on the rear-axle in the Corvette while the Camaro mounts it at the engine. There could also be the issue of transmission being slightly too expensive for the Camaro.
      Source: hoonable on Twitter, (2), CarBuzz
       

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    • By William Maley
      AutoGuide recently obtained a California Air Resources Board (CARB) document listing the pairings for the 6.2L V8 and various transmissions for the 2019 Camaro and Corvette. In the 'Trans Type' column, the Camaro is listed with M6, M7, and SA8. The middle one is the interesting bit as it hints that the Camaro will get a seven-speed manual.
      AutoGuide believes the seven-speed in question is the one used in the Corvette. But there arises an issue with this conclusion. The seven-speed manual transmission for the Corvette mounts at the rear axle, whereas the manual transmission for the Camaro mounts at the engine. So GM could either figure out some way of finagling the Corvette's seven-speed into the Camaro or there is something else in the works. 
      We'll be keeping a close eye on this.
      Source: AutoGuide

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