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Florida Company building new 1966 Ford 2+2 mustangs with GM V8s.

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dfelt    1,778

This company in Florida is building FORD approved Replicas of their 1966 Mustang and are using GM V8 engines. :S


 


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WOW, they do offer a smaller FORD engine option, but the default motor is a GM V8. 


 


http://www.seattleti...-2016-upgrades/


 

So this begs the question to be asked, Why a GM V8 over Ford's own V8 options.

 

What do you guys think?

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ccap41    1,162

Probably because the executives aren't rabid fanboys and can actually appreciate a custom built car for more than the brand stickered on it. Ford V8's aren't for everybody, GM V8's aren't for everybody either. I assume they can respect that idea. 

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oldshurst442    989

I think it phoquing SUCKS!!!

 

Although GM's LS3 seems like the base engine choice, I think a car of this classic status needs FoMoCo engines all the way through...

Its one thing for a home hot rod builder to LS swap his personal ride. His choice for many reasons. Its another thing when a company wants to produce many examples over a certain time frame for profit.

Yes, yes...Ive said it before, different engineering problems require different engineering solutions and there is more than one way to skin a cat and a GM LS V8 is probably a solution that meets all kinds of objectives...yet, the 5.0 aluminium Coyote is the "premium" engine choice...

This company, should just nix the GM LS engine and just go all Ford...

 

I feel this way...because CCAP mentiuoned something that makes sense....that the company has engineers and execs that aren't fanatics and crazy about heritage...but...

 

They chose an iconic pony car to do a restomod...for profit...

They were fanatics enough to understand the relevance of a 1966 Mustang...

So...I don't buy into CCAP's angle...

 

They probably understand that LS swaps are everywhere so a GM LS engine seems like a safe bet...

Well, to me...that says this company has no passion, just dollar signs...

 

Singer that does Porsches...seems like a better thought out company...yeah...Id pass on this.

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ccap41    1,162

..Or they just wanted an engine that made some low end torque..? 

 

It would be the most fitting for a classic car that isn't a race car. 

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oldshurst442    989

Are you telling me a Coyote 5.0 does not make low end torque?

Like I said...a LS3 is a fantastic solution for most endeavors...but a Coyote 5.0 does not take a backseat to an LS3 either...especially when the Coyote is kinda the "premium" engine choice in their stable...

 

Singer, could go LS3 engine swaps in their restomodded  Porsche 911s also...but they want to cater to heritage folk...which means a smaller piece of the LS swap pie...

 

And no....a Porsche 911 does NOT have a BIGGER, LOYAL, MORE TRADITIONAL fan base than a Mustang does...at worst, I think both are equal, at BEST, I think Mustang loyalists are far more numerous...

But...if we as fans of the automobile do NOT get OUTRAGED for blasphemous profit oriented endeavours like this, we as fans of the automobile ourselves destroy the heritage of classics...

 

Remember, I home build hot rodder is NOT in the same vein as this company...

This company got permission and is LICENSED to sell a VERIFIED and PURE Ford Product!!!

Dynacorn bodies are LICENSED products from the manufactures...this company ALSO GOT a license to use the Mustand and BLUE LOGO to sell for PROFIT!!!

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oldshurst442    989

Yes Drew...an ecoboosted 2.3 would be mahvelous!

I got caught up with the Porsche angle, but I most definitely thought of ecoboosted engines...hence why I said FoMoCo engines all the way through...

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ccap41    1,162

From 1500-3000rpm..no the coyote doesn't have torque in comparison to the 6.2L LS3..

 

Also, the only thing Ford licensed is the body. Not the car as a whole. The company(Revology) is buying the bodies from a company called Dynacorn which produces licensed bodies for classic Ford and GM products. 

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oldshurst442    989

1. Ford licensed the car through and through...Ford themselves say its a true blue Mustang...

You think this is in your favour CCAP?

 

See my opinion again...while Ford has this car's blessing, I WILL NEVER ACCEPT a car made for profit...not for passion...unlike ffrom a home hot rod builder... with a FORD Logo on it and a Mustang prancing horse on it..with a heart that may say Corvette or CHEVY RACING on the engine covers...

Revology tells me that they are selling me a FORD MUSTANG...backed by...FORD

1. A FORD

2. A MUSTANG

 

I EXPECT a Ford Product through and through!

 

Id buy that kind of car from my cousin in Boston who restores cars, not from a legit profit oriented, more than one car production company...

 

2. A racing version of the 5.0 in a Shelby version is also offered...

Meaning a 5.0 could be tuned to make low-end torque...this company has the resources to make a 5.0 produce low-end torque...

 

3. I know what Dynacorn industries offers and what they are...I wanna do a 1969 or 1970 Olds 442 Cutlass using their licensed body....because Dynacorn also does GM A-Bodies...also...a Challenger....

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ccap41    1,162

Where does it say anywhere they Ford is backing the product? They license the body and drive line. I can't find anything on Revology's website that suggests otherwise. 

 

If you're talking about tuning an engine for more low end tq then in comparison it is lacking.. and therefor you could do it to the 6.2 as well so it's a pretty moot point if we're going to talk about modifying the engines. Also, will Ford warranty the engine once you start customizing tunes for it? 

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Drew Dowdell    4,999

And actually... the most likely reason for using the GM V8 is Pushrods.  A GM 6.2 can fit in the space a Ford 5.0 can't because the DOHC 5.0 is so much bigger on the outside. They probably could have used any of the Hemi engines also. 

 

 

Pushrods FTW. 

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ccap41    1,162

Well the 5.0 is an option so I'm assuming that isn't the real reasoning.. although the decreased weight and simplicity of the pushrod motor could be. This is a car designed for the older fella who might not want something like DOHC just because he/she doesn't know enough about it. 

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ccap41    1,162

Where are you guys seeing the options? I didn't see a link beyond the article.

Might have to click a little but under "engine" it has them both listed.

 

Edit: Actually, after looking at their site under "standard equipment" the 5.0 is listed and not the 6.2. 

 

http://revologycars.com/65-66-2plus2/

 

And in their GT350 they only offer the 5.0 Coyote

 

 

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FordCosworth    128

Well the 5.0 is an option so I'm assuming that isn't the real reasoning.. although the decreased weight and simplicity of the pushrod motor could be. This is a car designed for the older fella who might not want something like DOHC just because he/she doesn't know enough about it. 

 

 

The LS3 weights 415ish lbs

 

Coyote is 435ish lbs ( Ward's states the Voodoo weighs 13lbs less than the Coyote ) 

 

20lbs difference between the two isn't going to be noticeable.  

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ccap41    1,162

 

Well the 5.0 is an option so I'm assuming that isn't the real reasoning.. although the decreased weight and simplicity of the pushrod motor could be. This is a car designed for the older fella who might not want something like DOHC just because he/she doesn't know enough about it. 

 

 

The LS3 weights 415ish lbs

 

Coyote is 435ish lbs ( Ward's states the Voodoo weighs 13lbs less than the Coyote ) 

 

20lbs difference between the two isn't going to be noticeable.  

 

It's more about WHERE the weight is rather than the weight itself. 

 

First, it's over the nose of the car not the floor pan under the driver's seat.

Second, it's all in the top of the motor rather than the bottom of the motor with the massive heads for the DOHC. 

 

I realize this isn't a race car but it is a car that is designed to be driven daily. 

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FordCosworth    128

 

 

Well the 5.0 is an option so I'm assuming that isn't the real reasoning.. although the decreased weight and simplicity of the pushrod motor could be. This is a car designed for the older fella who might not want something like DOHC just because he/she doesn't know enough about it. 

 

 

The LS3 weights 415ish lbs

 

Coyote is 435ish lbs ( Ward's states the Voodoo weighs 13lbs less than the Coyote ) 

 

20lbs difference between the two isn't going to be noticeable.  

 

It's more about WHERE the weight is rather than the weight itself. 

 

First, it's over the nose of the car not the floor pan under the driver's seat.

Second, it's all in the top of the motor rather than the bottom of the motor with the massive heads for the DOHC. 

 

I realize this isn't a race car but it is a car that is designed to be driven daily. 

 

 

 

Yes, this car is designed as a DD. Do you really think 20lbs is going to affect its abilities?

 

And in either engine option, both the LS3 and Coyote weigh less than either the 260/289ci Windsor that this car would have come with.

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ccap41    1,162

20lbs is 20lbs.. I don't have any scientific data to prove one way or the other but the lower weight, lower center of gravity, and more low end tq of the 6.2 sound like a better overall combination. The only thing I like more about the 5.0 is the sound. The DOHC Ford V8s sense the modular motors have always had more of a "nasty" sound to me that I just love. 

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FordCosworth    128

FYI...

 

The LS3 is a longer engine. It may weigh less, but more weight will be hanging over the front axle line. 

 

 
 
LS3
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Displacement: 6.2 L
Dimensions: 27.5" H X 27.5" D X 30" W
 
 
 
Coyote
-------
Displacement: 5.0 L
Dimensions: 27" H X 26" D X 28" W
 
 
 

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surreal1272    677

It's like some people don't understand weight dispersement, layout, and distribution in relation to their dimensions.

Guess that's what happens when you have to keep coming up with excuses for why one motor was preferred over the other.

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FordCosworth    128

It's like some people don't understand weight dispersement, layout, and distribution in relation to their dimensions.

Guess that's what happens when you have to keep coming up with excuses for why one motor was preferred over the other.

 

 

Who's making excuses? With either engine being an option, its personal preference.

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surreal1272    677

It's like some people don't understand weight dispersement, layout, and distribution in relation to their dimensions.

Guess that's what happens when you have to keep coming up with excuses for why one motor was preferred over the other.

 

 

Who's making excuses? With either engine being an option, its personal preference.

Funny how you seem to think that it was just about you. I know they are both options. Thanks for the vote though.

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ccap41    1,162

 

FYI...

 

The LS3 is a longer engine. It may weigh less, but more weight will be hanging over the front axle line. 

 

 
LS3
----
Displacement: 6.2 L
Dimensions: 27.5" H X 27.5" D X 30" W
 
 
Coyote
-------
Displacement: 5.0 L
Dimensions: 27" H X 26" D X 28" W
 

 

I'm not getting into an argument over which engine is "best" because that's a relative situation. Both have their ups and both have their downs. There is no "best" engine unless given a specific requirement. 

 

I just think for a daily driver on a classic muscle car the way the power is put to the wheels of the LS3 it makes more sense. That's just my opinion. 

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