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Ford News: Spying: Checking Out the 2018 F-150 Facelift and Diesel Engine

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William Maley    393

While Ford is introducing an updated 3.5L EcoBoost V6 and ten-speed automatic for the 2017 F-150, the 2018 F-150 is more interesting to us. This is because Ford will be giving their full-size truck a facelift and a diesel engine. Thanks to Car and Driver, we're able to get a closer look via a set of spy shots.

We'll begin with the facelift. Ford has done a decent job with the camouflage, but we can pick out a new grille design that seems to mimic the F-Series super duty. Expect new headlights, along with new taillights and wheel choices.

We have reported previously on the venturi exhaust and a video with the noises of a diesel engine . Now we have more proof of the diesel engine. Thanks to a Ford engineer leaving the hood open, we have gotten our first clear look at the diesel engine. We can't tell much about the engine aside from there being a mess of hoses and wires. You might be asking how we know this is a diesel. Two key items give it away; a diesel fuel inlet behind the fuel filler door and a sign taped inside saying"Diesel Fuel Only!"

Everyone believes the diesel engine in question is a 3.0L turbodiesel V6 that is used in the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport TD6 models. This engine produces 254 horsepower and 440 pound-feet of torque.

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ccap41    1,161

I loved the idea before Ram did it and I love that Ram was the first to do the small/economical yet still useful diesel in their half ton. I would expect nothing less from Ram's competition and that this will also be a great engine choice. I just hope there isn't a ridiculous price jump going from base engine to this one. When it's $4200 more than the base engine and $3100 more than their top engine I don't like that so much. But if that's how they have to price it, I understand. I don't like it, but I understand.

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Drew Dowdell    4,992

Ram needs to update their truck really soon or they'll quickly descend into irrelevance.  They're the oldest truck out there now I think.  Ford adding a light-duty diesel will take away one of the big selling points for Ram. 

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William Maley    393
35 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Ram needs to update their truck really soon or they'll quickly descend into irrelevance.  They're the oldest truck out there now I think.  Ford adding a light-duty diesel will take away one of the big selling points for Ram. 

If I remember, Ram will be updating/redesign the Ram 1500 for 2018.

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smk4565    321

I suspect the Ram could live on another 10 years with ththe current body and interior.  All it needs is a Hellcat option and a Maserati V6 superlegeraquadfiglio package.  Problem solved.

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ccap41    1,161

That's probably the plan. Hellcat everything and it hides their shortcomings for another 5-10 years. I'm actually surprised they didn't hellcat the 200 and Dart to make them relevant. Instead they just axed them..weird..

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surreal1272    672

Saw this coming as soon as the light duty RAM diesel came out. It's a smart move for Ford because clearly there is some demand for this. 

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Frisky Dingo    611

This truch just keeps tightening the noose around competitors, and I am not a huge Ford fan. But consider-

They offer a traditional V8 in addition to their turbo-gas 6's (even though they are more impressive on paper than in reality), they now have a diesel on the way, they have a true hardcore off-road monster, they have a full-on luxury sedanesque equipped halo model, and everything in between. It's no wonder their sales numbers are hard to catch.

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Frisky Dingo    611

I just drove a '17 Lariat FX4 w/ the 5.0 a few days ago on a ride and drive event for Nissan, and it S*** on the Titan. I think it had an edge over the Silverado, as well. They're pricing has gotten insane, though.

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FordCosworth    128
7 hours ago, William Maley said:

If I remember, Ram will be updating/redesign the Ram 1500 for 2018.

Meh, diesel. But it should be a mileage champ.

Compared to the Ram ED: At least 700 lbs lighter, safer, more efficient/powerful diesel engine, more cargo capacity and towing, 10-speed transmission along with stat-stop tech. This truck will beat Ram ED rated 21/29 mpg.

 

Opps. Not sure how I quoted you. I hit reply at bottom of comments

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Drew Dowdell    4,992
5 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

Meh, diesel. But it should be a mileage champ.

Compared to the Ram ED: At least 700 lbs lighter, safer, more efficient/powerful diesel engine, more cargo capacity and towing, 10-speed transmission along with stat-stop tech. This truck will beat Ram ED rated 21/29 mpg.

 

Opps. Not sure how I quoted you. I hit reply at bottom of comments

Yeah, but you're comparing a future Ford product to a current Ram product at the end of its lifecycle. If the Ram will be new for 2018, the same time this F150 diesel arrives, then none of those comparisons you made will matter.

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ccap41    1,161

Is the ram at the end of its product cycle? It wouldn't surprise me if this goes till 2020 which means it's old but not the end of the cycle. By then Ford and GM will have new $h! again. 

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Lightweight and 10 speeds with the Diesel should make it the mileage champ. I doubt Ram will top all that with next upgrade.

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surreal1272    672
12 hours ago, Guest HoosierDad said:

Lightweight and 10 speeds with the Diesel should make it the mileage champ. I doubt Ram will top all that with next upgrade.

Until the next RAM comes out, that is just here-say. They do have their work cut out for them though.

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Drew Dowdell    4,992

I'm not sure how much advantage a 10-speed will have over an (excellent) 8-speed at this point in a diesel. Ford isn't even promising huge gains in fuel economy over the 6-speed in the Gas powered ones.  The gear ratio spread will only be a tiny bit wider for Ford.

We really are getting to peak gear ratios now.

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ccap41    1,161
1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I'm not sure how much advantage a 10-speed will have over an (excellent) 8-speed at this point in a diesel. Ford isn't even promising huge gains in fuel economy over the 6-speed in the Gas powered ones.  The gear ratio spread will only be a tiny bit wider for Ford.

We really are getting to peak gear ratios now.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/g6813/10-things-to-know-about-the-new-ford-gm-10-speed-automatic-transmission/

This was a really neat read on the new trans. I thought it was impressive reading how much shorter their spread is compared to some of the others out there and their mileage claim compared to the others as well.

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Drew Dowdell    4,992
2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/g6813/10-things-to-know-about-the-new-ford-gm-10-speed-automatic-transmission/

This was a really neat read on the new trans. I thought it was impressive reading how much shorter their spread is compared to some of the others out there and their mileage claim compared to the others as well.

That's the only puzzling thing about this 10-speed to me.  I almost wonder if there shouldn't be two versions of it... one with a wider spread and one with a normal spread.  The Ecoboost V6es are engines that I believe would really be able to put a wide gear ratio spread to good use. With their torque available way down low they should be able to hold 10th gear at low RPM unlike the 2.4 in the Chryslers.  I can understand keeping the spread normal for a V6 F-150 that isn't an ecoboost... but if you've got the torque, use it. The Camaro ZL-1 I'm sure would do well with a tall 10th gear too. 

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ccap41    1,161
2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

That's the only puzzling thing about this 10-speed to me.  I almost wonder if there shouldn't be two versions of it... one with a wider spread and one with a normal spread.  The Ecoboost V6es are engines that I believe would really be able to put a wide gear ratio spread to good use. With their torque available way down low they should be able to hold 10th gear at low RPM unlike the 2.4 in the Chryslers.  I can understand keeping the spread normal for a V6 F-150 that isn't an ecoboost... but if you've got the torque, use it. The Camaro ZL-1 I'm sure would do well with a tall 10th gear too. 

That was exactly what I thought when I read it as well. I guess for the 5.0 it makes more sense but it will be in more ecoboosts be it 2.7 or 3.5 than 5.0s so I don't really understand it either. But they claim anything past 7.4 wouldn't really benefit for their use..

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