2006 Ford Fusion

[regfootball]

Much like you admiting Toyota engines will sludge.
There isn't a company on the planet that makes an engine that never breaks.

Given the number of installations of the 3800 in sheer numbers, I think they're doing ok.

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you forgot all the 3.1 and 3.4 litre v6's..........

[regfootball]

Reg is an unpleasable tool.  He wants to be like all the other douchebag tools who bash GM, but doesn't want to be like them in humping Toyota, so he humps Mitsubishi.  A nonconformist tool, if you will.  Bashing GM includes bashing the proven and reliable OHV engines which, in my experience, are only less refined than any DOHC V6 when they are pushed hard, which most car buyers dont do.  Frankly, I think he wants to write for Car and Driver but lacks the credentials, so he makes various forums suffer through his automotive "knowledge".

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a-i don't hump anything. i drive a GM for chrissakes, too.
b-part of the reason folks seek out OHC motors is their smoother running. we can take toyota and dodge and VW to task for some of their engines sludging but the point is, the engine didn't sludge because it was OHC. Someone here inferred that just because a motor would be GM's 'proven' *cough* OHV design, that it would be more reliable. I just merely reminded the kool aid bunch that GM's 'not so' proven (apparently) v6's are just as prone to breakdown which proves that its not the design, its how well you build it. Seemingly all other manufacturers have been competent enough to build an engine with improved running characteristics and a few more parts, but still not f it up, yet GM builds a 'simpler' cheaper engine with inferior characteristics and still manages to f it up which is what I was pointing out so the kool aid crew remembers the GM stuff is NOT more reliable than anything else.
c-no aspiration to write for anyone. Most adults take what others say and decide to block it out or agree or whatever, but satty seems to have a major malfunction anytime I suggest anything he may not agree with. Its like, whatever. If you can't handle a disagreement, fine. I understand there's folks like you out there that have to resort to name calling and such when someone doesn't fall in line and candy ass it for the general and their Kool aid bunch. Wow man, what do your coworkers deal with with they challenge you or disagree with you at their job? You take everything so personal and resort to fits of labelling and namecalling? If your neighbor says your car is ugly do you just, you know...FREAK OUT? Edited September 13, 2005 by regfootball

[Paolino]

I'd be happy to just see GM put 6-CD changers standard on their top trims of Chevy's Pontiacs and Buicks. Hell, with the LaCrosse, it should have a 6-in-dash changer standard on the CXL.

[sciguy_0504]

I've never heard anyone but Bill O'Reilly say something along the lines of "drinking too much Kool Aide," "the Kool Aide bunch" or "the Kool Aide people." Very funny.

[Flybrian]

[milleramerican]

Didnt satty's avatar used to be the koolaid man?

[-Camaro-]

If Ford were done playing it safe, they'd produce the 427 Concept under the fusion name.

[Flybrian]

If Ford were done playing it safe, they'd produce the 427 Concept under the fusion name.

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Or, better, dump the lame-o Vic and build the 427 instead.

[LosAngeles]

The 427 would have to kill both the Vicky and the 500.

[Variance]

The 427 would make a hot police car. Almost would make you want to be arrested.

[LosAngeles]

Let's see how the police Chargers and Magnums hold up first. Can't wait for L.A. to buy some, and get away from those boring Vickys.

[ltm_awake]

It wasn't all that long ago when this was true. When the first W-bodies rolled out in 1988 there were still Cutlass Classics with carburetors, bench seats, AM radios and drum brakes. Cutlass Cieras has 3 speed automatics, bench seats and AM radios up till 1993.  The Chevy Caprice had a 4bbl carb, bench seats and a AM radio up till 1988. Ford meanwhile offered AM/FM stereos, digital clocks, fuel injection and 4 speed autos on it's 1984 T-Birds and even had port fuel injection by 1987 while GM still used the old Quadrajet and the old fashioned motor driven digit clocks. Some things never change. :rolleyes:

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Dont forget the Mark VII, with 4 wheel Discs (first car out in america to have them IIRC. 1984 model, something like 6 months before the vette) 4 wheel air suspension (no springs here) and in 1986 was running the SEFI and H.O configurations on the v8.
not that I like the cars or anything....once you own two it becomes more of a love hate thing at this age.

[carman21]

I really have to hand it to Ford this is a great car. Its well built, it handles well. It has comptitive engines. Best of all its not a Toyota.

[siegen]

My unbiased opinion on the exterior: The front end looks very reminiscent of the Cadillac CTS, even though I can't really put my finger on it. Comparing the cars side by side, they do not look alike, but something about the Fusion's front end just crys out Cadillac! The back end looks good, a definite improvement over other Fords. Overall, I can't see anything daring about it, other than possibly the shiney front grille (maybe old people will like it?). The resemblance to the two different generation Preludes (front shot is 4th gen, back shot is 3rd gen) is there, but I don't think it's close enough to start pointing fingers =) So what's so special about this Ford that makes it's design "edgy"? I can't see it.

[Bimmer325]

The more I look at the Fusion the more I see a bland, anonymously styled sedan with semi-interesting fascias.

[pow]

To me, it's definately conservative, but still a world-class, professional looking vehicle. It's not cheesy or sloppy like the Malibu, Impala, or G6. I love the sharp edge on the front fender, near the hood... these small details keep it from looking too sterile.

[4gm]

I think the Fusion has one of the best mainstream designs from a Detroit automaker in years. It's conservative but is distinctive and looks great. The Fusion will be huge and won't need fleet sales to prop up it's sales numbers.

[haypops]

I just don't see the aesthetics of it. That said, I think that it will be good for Ford corporate sales because people will look at it and some will go 500 instead, and some will go Mazda6. Some nice synergisim here.

[sciguy_0504]

Haypops just brought up a good point. If people don't like the look of one of the cars built off this platform (6, Fusion, Milan, Zephyr, upcoming ones) they have other choices to chose from that are still on the same platform. I know prices will be different but not that different.

[turbo200]

Well, there's a difference between taking a calculated risk and act like a retard making cars.  I agree with the article; this car was done with good taste.

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I don't think he was trying to imply anything negative with what he said. It's not a bad car or a bad design, it just is a complete antithesis of this car to say it is not playing it safe. The conservative lines have all been done and done before, Ford just finely tailored it and produced a nice business suit with a little bit of flair. It's a good looking car and should do very well in the marketplace.

[mustang84]

I don't think he was trying to imply anything negative with what he said. It's not a bad car or a bad design, it just is a complete antithesis of this car to say it is not playing it safe. The conservative lines have all been done and done before, Ford just finely tailored it and produced a nice business suit with a little bit of flair. It's a good looking car and should do very well in the marketplace.

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Totally agree, it may not be as stylish as the Chrysler 300, but it's an expensive looking car with a unique front fascia. I would love it to be RWD, have sharp, muscular creases, and a V8...but it does well for what it is, a midsize family sedan. If GM had the exact same car right now with a bowtie on the grille, this discussion wouldn't be going on because everybody would love it. Styling aside, the package and the price make it worth it alone.

I'm a die-hard fan of old Detroit muscle, but I would gladly take a Fusion if one were given to me. There's more to a car than just the exterior sheet metal. This is one of the cars that will earn Detroit some respect again.

[frogger]

The only GMNA sedans I prefer over this are Cadillacs. The only think I would change is losing the clear tails. The Aura is the only thing that could touch it.