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We've seen the coolest and hottest variants of the Civic lineup, but is there something in the middle? Honda has introduced that model in the form of 2017 Civic Si Prototype.

We're expecting the production to mostly look the same as the vehicle seen here - a mean looking front fascia from the Civic hatchback and center mounted exhaust. This prototype comes with a Honda Factory Performance (HFP) aero package and 19-inch wheels, items we expect you'll be able to option. Like the previous-generation, the Si will be available in coupe and sedan. Sorry, the hatchback is reserved for the Type R. The interior looks the part with a set of sport seats, an aluminum shift knob and sport pedals and other touches to set it apart from other Civics.

Power will come from a turbocharged 1.5L four-cylinder paired with a six-speed manual. Honda isn't saying anything about performance figures, only saying it's the "fastest, most powerful Si yet." Our hunch is we're looking at 220 or above. Other performance items the Si will feature include an active damper system, active steering, limited-slip differential, and the option of high-performance tires.

 

Source: Honda
Press Release is on Page 2


Unveiling of Sporty Honda Civic Si Prototype Completes 10th Generation Civic Line-up
Nov 15, 2016

  • 2017 Civic Si will be fastest, most powerful Si yet
  • Si Coupe and Si Sedan joining 10th-generation Civic lineup in 2017
  • Active steering, active suspension, limited-slip differential and high-performance tires among Si performance upgrades
  • All models to feature short-shifting 6-speed manual

LOS ANGELES, Calif. – The Honda Civic Si Prototype made its global debut today, giving Honda enthusiasts a good look at the design and performance direction for the 2017 Civic Si Coupe and Si Sedan, both launching next year. The Civic Si Prototype will be on display at the 2016 Los Angeles International Auto Show where it will be joined by its Civic Sedan, Coupe and Hatchback siblings, plus the radical Civic Type-R Prototype, providing the first public opportunity to see all five Civic variants. This will also be the first time the Type-R interior will be shown.

The shimmering Rallye Red Pearl Civic Si Prototype features a full Factory Performance (HFP) aero kit, including front and rear splitters and rear spoiler, plus a center-mounted polygonal exhaust finisher and 19-inch 235/35Y high-performance tires mounted on HFP 19 x 8J 10-spoke forged aluminum alloy wheels.

The 2017 Civic Si Coupe and Si Sedan will be powered by a high-performance, high-torque 1.5-liter, directed-injected and turbocharged DOHC in-line 4-cylinder engine with dual variable cam timing (dual VTC) mated to a short-shifting 6-speed manual transmission. Additional performance upgrades for the Si variants will include a new active damper system, active steering system, limited-slip differential and available high-performance tires.

"With the new Honda Civic Si, we're injecting even more sporty goodness into our 10th-generation Civic lineup," said Jeff Conrad, senior vice president and general manager of Honda.  "This will be, hands down, the fastest, best-handling Si we've ever offered to our customers."

The Civic Si Prototype interior closely previews the production model and features Si-exclusive front sport seats with red stitching, including stitched Si logos.  The red sport stitching carries through to the doors, steering wheel and leather shift boot with aluminum shift knob. The Si Prototype interior also features a red driver's TFT meter and audio system illumination, aluminum sport pedals and Dry Metal Carbon instrument panel trim.

The Civic Si Coupe and Si Sedan will launch next year as the latest additions to the 10th-generation Honda Civic lineup, joining the Civic Sedan, Civic Coupe and just-launched Civic Hatchback. The rollout of the 10th-gen Civic lineup will be completed with the launch of the new track-ready Civic Type-R next year. 


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Thinking this might be a damned fine replacement for my Jetta when I sell it back.

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I am surprised and pleased by how conservative it is.  Bumpers are no more outlandish than other Civics... no giant wing or ridiculous ground effects kit.  Got blue?

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10 hours ago, ocnblu said:

I am surprised and pleased by how conservative it is.  Bumpers are no more outlandish than other Civics... no giant wing or ridiculous ground effects kit.  Got blue?

Honda, Like Subaru, has an Amazing blue for their sport compact.  I like the way you think!

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1 minute ago, Stew said:

I think this may be the one version of the new Civic i really like and would consider owning. 

Agreed, but better get your order of deposit in quickly-Talked to my local Honda dealer Sunday, apparently they are limiting production to 7200 coupes and 7200 sedans.

This kind of dovetails with what I was saying earlier about Honda having rational plans to limit production of certain models to keep from flooding the market and keep secondary market values up. this also helps their lease rates tremendously I think because they do not have to work with screwy residual values.

One wonders what would have happened had Chrysler limited production of the PT Cruiser and kept up with a program of continuous improvement through its life cycle rather than whoring it out for the cheapest possible prices and leases to keep the assembly lines running.

Rather than having a forgettable vehicle that is now out of production, they might have a lot of brand equity in a line they can still sell at a high profit.

Since I tend to keep cars for 200,000 miles plus, or at least well past 100K...I really like high residual values.

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I won't be getting one anytime soon, but a used one is a very big possibility to replace the Bug as the daily driver driver in a few years. 

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30 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Added some of my own shots to the article.

If you follow us on CheersandGears Instagram, Facebook, or SnapChat, you can see some video of the car too. 

Thanks...I am enjoying all of the automotive content here!  Keep it up....

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On 11/15/2016 at 7:57 PM, A Horse With No Name said:

Thinking this might be a damned fine replacement for my Jetta when I sell it back.

Thinking it might be a good choice too!

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23 hours ago, Stew said:

I won't be getting one anytime soon, but a used one is a very big possibility to replace the Bug as the daily driver driver in a few years. 

You are like me and enjoy thinking about the next car. I do a lot more thinking than buying though as I tend to keep cars 200,000 plus miles.

The only thing that would touch this reliability wise in terms of a sporty compact would be the WRX.

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7 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Thinking it might be a good choice too!

It would have a lot of the attributes of the Older generation Cavalier you liked so much in terms of nimbleness and responsive driving characteristics. We both owned earlier Cavi's and liked them, this is one of the few modern cars that retains that fun to drive characteristic.

It would have the advantage of a really slick suspension set up, an amazing glass smooth manual that is rivaled only by the Miata and the S2000, comfortable and supportive seats, a truly decent audio system for its price point, and a decent selection of actual colors.

The biggest thing though is your son.  My sons friends loved my Miata, and you would probably be the one dad with the really cool car.  Being able to have that as a bonding point with your son as he is preparing to go into the world and make his own way would have a lot of value also.

Not to mention the SI would be more fuel efficient than a crossover or many other sedans.

Resale also....diesel gate has really hurt the Gasser VW's, including the GTI. The Focus ST and Fiesta ST are great cars, but they are depreciation magnets, possibly because Ford has frustrated so many people with the non sporty versions of these cars with the horrible automatics.

 

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38 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

You are like me and enjoy thinking about the next car. I do a lot more thinking than buying though as I tend to keep cars 200,000 plus miles.

The only thing that would touch this reliability wise in terms of a sporty compact would be the WRX.

True, the Bug and Camry will be with us for a while, but i love thinking about the next vehicle especially considering what will serve best from the used market s I don't like buying new.   The bug has kind of opened my up to this class of vehicle as I enjoy the torque,, maneuverability, and the squirt and shoot ability that provides in concert with the small size. 

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2 minutes ago, Stew said:

True, the Bug and Camry will be with us for a while, but i love thinking about the next vehicle especially considering what will serve best from the used market s I don't like buying new.   The bug has kind of opened my up to this class of vehicle as I enjoy the torque,, maneuverability, and the squirt and shoot ability that provides in concert with the small size. 

Ohh I love small cars, especially living in an urban area.

If you like used you will love how well the SI holds resale value and how reliable it is.

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Further dragging out the slow death of the company with bland dull products.

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5 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Further dragging out the slow death of the company with bland dull products.

Not sure I agree with this assessment.

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Everything that Honda and Acura has built to date is boring and non-inspiring to me. Also getting my 6'6" tall frame into Honda products is a joke since they continue to make their products for 5' 8" or shorter people it would seem.

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Everything that Honda and Acura has built to date is boring and non-inspiring to me. Also getting my 6'6" tall frame into Honda products is a joke since they continue to make their products for 5' 8" or shorter people it would seem.

The height of everything Honda built is about the same on average as anything else compatible in the segment.  I have a coworker  who is 6'3" who has plenty of headroom in his new Accord.  I would think that with 6'6" frame you would have problem with most cars period.

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I'm slightly underwhelmed. It's restrained, sure, but I was hoping there would be more of a gap between regular trims, the Si and the Type-R. This seems to be more Civic Sport hatchback plus, but applied to the coupe. I would have wished for a more stepped approach. It does, however, fall in line with Honda's tradition of Si trims, none of which have been differentiated much from lower trims. 

1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Further dragging out the slow death of the company with bland dull products.

Eh, considering the competition, the Civic is far from bland or dull. Cruze, Focus, Elantra, Forte, Corolla, Impreza, Sentra, Jetta, and Golf are all much more mainstream and looking. The only car with more emotion in the design is the Mazda3. 

And I'm pretty sure they're making bank. Just saying...

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14 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

It would have a lot of the attributes of the Older generation Cavalier you liked so much in terms of nimbleness and responsive driving characteristics. We both owned earlier Cavi's and liked them, this is one of the few modern cars that retains that fun to drive characteristic.

It would have the advantage of a really slick suspension set up, an amazing glass smooth manual that is rivaled only by the Miata and the S2000, comfortable and supportive seats, a truly decent audio system for its price point, and a decent selection of actual colors.

The biggest thing though is your son.  My sons friends loved my Miata, and you would probably be the one dad with the really cool car.  Being able to have that as a bonding point with your son as he is preparing to go into the world and make his own way would have a lot of value also.

Not to mention the SI would be more fuel efficient than a crossover or many other sedans.

Resale also....diesel gate has really hurt the Gasser VW's, including the GTI. The Focus ST and Fiesta ST are great cars, but they are depreciation magnets, possibly because Ford has frustrated so many people with the non sporty versions of these cars with the horrible automatics.

 

Yeah..plenty of truth there....you know my son is getting into cars now...likes to stick nose into it too when I work on mine....might just be a future car guy...8)

 

Kinda scary how well you know me...lol.....I do like them simple! I have been meaning to drive a new civic....as I have heard the new ones handle quite well. Also one of the reasons I loved the Focus, but sadly the trans just doesn't hold up on either side.....Sad-because I love when they handle well! (One of the few reasons I loved my wife's old 95 Neon-you didin't have to stop while making 40 mph turns!:lol:)

 

Now I'll have to test drive one.....

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4 minutes ago, daves87rs said:

Yeah..plenty of truth there....you know my son is getting into cars now...likes to stick nose into it too when I work on mine....might just be a future car guy...8)

 

Kinda scary how well you know me...lol.....I do like them simple! I have been meaning to drive a new civic....as I have heard the new ones handle quite well. Also one of the reasons I loved the Focus, but sadly the trans just doesn't hold up on either side.....Sad-because I love when they handle well! (One of the few reasons I loved my wife's old 95 Neon-you didin't have to stop while making 40 mph turns!:lol:)

 

Now I'll have to test drive one.....

I don't want to bash on the Focus as I came close to buying the ST version twice, but methinks this is a much better car.

The big advantages here are the Civic is available as a two door and also Civic SI resale value just kills it over Focus ST resale.

Worth a look!

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Just now, A Horse With No Name said:

I don't want to bash on the Focus as I came close to buying the ST version twice, but methinks this is a much better car.

The big advantages here are the Civic is available as a two door and also Civic SI resale value just kills it over Focus ST resale.

Worth a look!

 

Kinda wish they would send the wagon over here......I would buy it in a heartbeat!! Love the look of that version! Must be the wagon guy in me.....

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16 minutes ago, daves87rs said:

 

Kinda wish they would send the wagon over here......I would buy it in a heartbeat!! Love the look of that version! Must be the wagon guy in me.....

 

16 minutes ago, daves87rs said:

 

Kinda wish they would send the wagon over here......I would buy it in a heartbeat!! Love the look of that version! Must be the wagon guy in me.....

We miss out on a ton of good wagons...make mine a Mazda 6 wagon...

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      Road and track development took place in France, Austria, Italy (including many winding roads through the Alps), Germany (including the Nürburgring track), Sweden (ice and snow road testing), the U.K., Japan, Australia, and the U.S. A global citizen, the new Supra will be assembled at Magna Steyr in Graz, Austria.
      GT Comfort, Maximum Multimedia
      Like its 1990s predecessor, the 2020 Supra will be equipped as a premium GT, with a deft balance of function and premium comfort and convenience features. Keyless Smart Entry, dual automatic climate control, auto-dimming rearview mirrors, rear camera, rain sensor windshield wipers, garage door opener, power folding mirrors, and a leather-wrapped steering wheel will be standard.
      Standard active safety features include forward collision warning, automatic emergency braking with pedestrian detection, lane departure warning with steering assist, automatic high beam and road sign assist. Additional active safety and convenience features available are adaptive full speed cruise control, blind spot monitor, rear cross traffic alert and rear end collision warning.
      The new-generation Supra will of course deliver a state-of-the-art multimedia and connectivity experience. The 3.0 grade features a 6.5-inch display that can be operated by the rotary controller on the console, as well as Bluetooth and iPod capability. The 3.0 Premium grade will get an 8.8-inch touchscreen display with navigation, rotary touch controller, Supra Connect telematics services, wireless Apple CarPlay, a premium 12-speaker JBL audio system, and wireless phone charging. The JBL audio system and navigation will be an available option on the 3.0 grade.
      50+ Years of Toyota Sports Car Heritage
      The 2020 Toyota Supra traces a 50+ year lineage to Toyota’s first sports car, the 1965 Sports 800. This sleek but tiny (140-in. long) coupe offered a little over 40 horsepower from an air-cooled, two-cylinder boxer engine. The Sports 800 weighed just 1,300 pounds and could reach 100 mph in racing trim. It was successful in long distance races where reliability and fuel economy worked to its advantage. Here’s one for car trivia buffs: The 800 Sports was the first production sports car to have a lift-out aluminum roof panel.
      2000 GT
      In 1967, Toyota stunned the sports car establishment with the limited-production, hand-built 2000 GT. This six-cylinder, two-seat coupe smashed three world records and set 13 new international records for speed and endurance. Just 351 of the 2000 GTs were made, about 60 of those left-hand-drive for export to the U.S.
      Nevertheless, many Americans saw the 2000 GT when a specially built roadster version was the automotive star in that year’s James Bond film, You Only Live Twice. Today, 2000 GTs can approach $1 million in collector-car auctions.
      Age of the Supra
      In 1978, Toyota introduced the first Supra (A40) as a premium, six-cylinder version of the popular Celica sports coupe. Four years later, Toyota began to separate the Supra from the Celica, with the second generation (A60) featuring a completely different front-end design and a striking Performance model with wider wheels and fender flares.
      With the debut of the third-generation model for 1986 (A70), the Supra became its own distinct car. The following year, the Mk. III, as Supra aficionados call it, debuted a Turbo upgrade model with 230 horsepower.
      Then came the icon: the fourth-generation Supra (A80, or “Mk. IV” to Supra buffs) arrived in 1993 and upended the global sports car / GT hierarchy. The Supra Turbo used twin sequential turbochargers to extract 320 horsepower from its 3.0-liter inline six. This utterly unique sports GT could accelerate from zero-to-60 mph in under 5 seconds, trouncing direct competitors, as well as some European models costing 2-3 times as much.
      The Mk. IV Supra left Toyota’s U.S. lineup after 1998 but was produced until 2002. It went on to become famous for new generations in video games and in the Fast and Furious film series, stoking an intensely loyal following that helped spur Toyota to develop the all-new, fifth-generation Supra for 2020.
      Toyota GAZOO Racing
      The 2020 GR Supra is the first global model developed by Toyota GAZOO Racing, the international umbrella for Toyota's global motorsport program. In just the past year GR won the Le Mans 24 Hours race and the FIA World Rally Champions. Its work is based on three pillars: developing people through taking part in motorsport; creating fans through the excitement of motorsport and producing fun-to-drive cars; and making ever-better cars by applying the knowledge gained from motorsport competition.
      This ethos has been fully embraced by both Kiichiro Toyoda, founder of Toyota, and Akio Toyoda, Toyota Motor Corporation president, for its goal of “making ever-better cars.” Starting with this Supra, Toyota GAZOO Racing will transfer technical learnings from the race track or rally stage to the development of not just new generations of Toyota's sports-focused GR models, but also to its wider range of vehicles, driven by tens of millions of people around the world.
      With the 2020 Supra, Toyota is seeking to ignite automotive enthusiasts with fond memories of the Supra, as well as spark a new wave of sports car fans around the world. 
        
      2020 SUPRA PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS
      Wheelbase    97.2 in.
      Overall Length    172.5 in.
      Overall Width    73.0 in.
      Overall Height    50.9 in.  
      Track Width Front    62.8 in.
      Track Width Rear    62.6 in.
      Curb Weight    3,397 lbs.
      0-60 mph    4.1 seconds
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