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The thing is that this is the same argument that was used for Fiat when they first came back here. How has that worked out for them? Last I checked, they were still huge piles so history is fair to use in the case of Alfa. 

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The problem with Alfa is their reputation is much worse than Cadillac. 

They were always seen as the odd sedan with the grill like a Vagina. They were driven by the odd neighbor who used a fake Italian accent. They had rust problem, they has major repair cost and they have many catastrophic engine failures. 

When they were here they were little noticed and when they left no one notices. They are best know as a trivia question as to what car did Dustin Hoffman drive in the Graduate. 

On the other hand Cadillac has major work to do in getting the public to appreciate and trust them again. This is with a brand that once was the car of millionaires and the car that was a symbol of success. It too was damaged by many bad things over the last few decades but yet they still have a treasured past for most Americans while Alfa still remains the odd ball. 

Alfa globally has a better rep of their history due to racing. But yet little love for the modern models. But the pressure Sergio has placed on them has set them up to fail from the start. 
Sergio stated by next year they are to sell 140,000 units in N America and 400,000 units globally. That is not going to happen and odds are good that it will not happen in even 5-10 years even with the CUV. 

So Alfa here needs to create a love that never really existed from a fairly unknown history for a car in one of the toughest segments to break into. 

Then the VW question. If VW buys in what do they do with them. Take them and slip a Audi platform under the body? Do they sell them off since all they want are Jeep and Ram? 

This is a car for people who march to the beat of a different drum and are willing to accept the baggage that comes with the car like low resale and high repair cost. They can not use American pride like Cadillac or a history here that anyone recalls.  

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Alfa has a worse reputation than Cadillac, but a better product than Cadillac.  So that gives them a chance.  Something that can work in Alfa Romeo's favor is the majority of people under 30-35 don't really even know what Alfa Romeo is or much about their history.  They haven't been here in 20 years, if you are 30 now, you were 10 the last time they sold a new car here.  To younger buyers they don't have baggage like Cadillac or Lincoln might have.  The other question though is can 30 year olds afford Alfa Romeo pricing?  If Alfa has to rely on older buyers that remember what they were in the 80s, they have a big hill to climb.

 

If VW were to buy Alfa they would want that Georgio platform.  Every magazine ranks the Guilia over the M3 and C63, and you don't even see the A4 anywhere near those comparisons because it isn't competitive.  

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4 hours ago, William Maley said:

Besides, what made Alfa left the U.S. back in 1996 wasn't fully reliability - it was suffering significant losses due to poor sales

Those kind of go hand in hand when talking long term.. not necessarily but they CAN. 

40 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Something that can work in Alfa Romeo's favor is the majority of people under 30-35 don't really even know what Alfa Romeo is or much about their history

That is what I was thinking as well. They've been gone long enough that us youngsters don't really know about how bad they were unless they're a gear head. 

41 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

If VW were to buy Alfa they would want that Georgio platform.  Every magazine ranks the Guilia over the M3 and C63, and you don't even see the A4 anywhere near those comparisons because it isn't competitive.

The A4 finished 2nd in the latest Motor Trend comparision w/ the 330i finishing 7th. 

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20 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Those kind of go hand in hand when talking long term.. not necessarily but they CAN. 

That is what I was thinking as well. They've been gone long enough that us youngsters don't really know about how bad they were unless they're a gear head. 

The A4 finished 2nd in the latest Motor Trend comparision w/ the 330i finishing 7th. 

Their $h!ty sales numbers and their $h!ty reliability absolutely went hand in hand. It's not even a debatable subject for anyone old enough to remember those piles (and I do lol). 

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15 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

So we are moving the bar from not being able to criticize a preproduction model to not being able to criticize an early production model? 

 

14 hours ago, William Maley said:

Umm, not fully sure about that (part I bolded). CUE has gotten better, but it is still a pain to use. A lot of it is because of decisions made by GM in terms of how the system was developed, various technical parts, and decisions on how the system is controlled. Sure, CUE takes a while to learn. But is the fault on the person who has decided to purchase the vehicle or the company that went forward with it? More on the latter than the former.

As for Alfa Romeo - Yes, the company has reputation for problematic vehicles. A Well deserved one at that. But the first year of any new vehicle from a manufacturer is going to have issues. I was reading today that Consumer Reports' Giulia Ti has already been to the dealership three times since they have bought it. If they waited a year on purchasing the Giuila, they maybe have one less visit to a dealer (only guessing here). 

I'm willing to hold off burning Alfa Romeo at the stake in terms of reliability for a couple of years till we get more data and experiences on it. If it stays the same or gets worse, then I'm all for being critical.

Besides, what made Alfa left the U.S. back in 1996 wasn't fully reliability - it was suffering significant losses due to poor sales and not wanting to make the investment to meet upcoming safety and emission standards.

Surreal, those 2 Corvettes were production models, so.......

 

Dfelt, no they have not been proven unreliable.  Little electrical glitches in pre-production and early production models are not unheard of for ANY manufacturer.  Again, see Car and Driver having TWO Corvettes actually grenade their engines.  See early production Civics being recalled because the new 2.0 NA engine had issues, see GM's new 1.5 turbo in the Malibu LITERALLY melting their pistons, these are reliability issues.  i have yet to see where an Alfa actually broke down, the engine blew up, or it left the driver stranded. 

10 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Those kind of go hand in hand when talking long term.. not necessarily but they CAN. 

That is what I was thinking as well. They've been gone long enough that us youngsters don't really know about how bad they were unless they're a gear head. 

The A4 finished 2nd in the latest Motor Trend comparision w/ the 330i finishing 7th. 

We need a new RS4.  The A4 and S4 are great and i love the virtual cockpit.  The new A5 is really growing on me too.  BMW used to be everyone's darling, but they have seriously lost their way. 

14 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

The thing is that this is the same argument that was used for Fiat when they first came back here. How has that worked out for them? Last I checked, they were still huge piles so history is fair to use in the case of Alfa. 

Mo.,o it isn't.  The Fiat's were old on old platforms well before they got here.  The only trul new Fiat is the 500X CUV and I haven't really seen data on it where it is so new, but my guess is, like the Renegade, the biggest thing was the first year tuning of the 9 speed auto. 

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44 minutes ago, Stew said:

 

Surreal, those 2 Corvettes were production models, so.......

 

Dfelt, no they have not been proven unreliable.  Little electrical glitches in pre-production and early production models are not unheard of for ANY manufacturer.  Again, see Car and Driver having TWO Corvettes actually grenade their engines.  See early production Civics being recalled because the new 2.0 NA engine had issues, see GM's new 1.5 turbo in the Malibu LITERALLY melting their pistons, these are reliability issues.  i have yet to see where an Alfa actually broke down, the engine blew up, or it left the driver stranded. 

We need a new RS4.  The A4 and S4 are great and i love the virtual cockpit.  The new A5 is really growing on me too.  BMW used to be everyone's darling, but they have seriously lost their way. 

Mo.,o it isn't.  The Fiat's were old on old platforms well before they got here.  The only trul new Fiat is the 500X CUV and I haven't really seen data on it where it is so new, but my guess is, like the Renegade, the biggest thing was the first year tuning of the 9 speed auto. 

That wasn't my question and you are deflecting by continuing to bring up a car that does not have the $h!ty history that Alfa does. 

44 minutes ago, Stew said:

 

Surreal, those 2 Corvettes were production models, so.......

 

Dfelt, no they have not been proven unreliable.  Little electrical glitches in pre-production and early production models are not unheard of for ANY manufacturer.  Again, see Car and Driver having TWO Corvettes actually grenade their engines.  See early production Civics being recalled because the new 2.0 NA engine had issues, see GM's new 1.5 turbo in the Malibu LITERALLY melting their pistons, these are reliability issues.  i have yet to see where an Alfa actually broke down, the engine blew up, or it left the driver stranded. 

We need a new RS4.  The A4 and S4 are great and i love the virtual cockpit.  The new A5 is really growing on me too.  BMW used to be everyone's darling, but they have seriously lost their way. 

Mo.,o it isn't.  The Fiat's were old on old platforms well before they got here.  The only trul new Fiat is the 500X CUV and I haven't really seen data on it where it is so new, but my guess is, like the Renegade, the biggest thing was the first year tuning of the 9 speed auto. 

Yes it is 100% comparable and who gives two $h!s whether its an old platform or not. How many times does it have to be said that those cars are still being built by the same unreliable people with the same bad history, thus resulting in a subpar product? Sorry, but I will continue to call a spade a spade here.

 

The funny thing here is that you continue to use a car or two from different manufacturers to support your argument when it doesn't. Why? Because while it's true that others have problems with certain cars at one time or another, Fiat and Alfa had and continue to have problems with ALL of their cars ALL of the time and that is the difference you are clearly not getting. 

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15 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

That wasn't my question and you are deflecting by continuing to bring up a car that does not have the $h!ty history that Alfa does. 

Yes it is 100% comparable and who gives two $h!s whether its an old platform or not. How many times does it have to be said that those cars are still being built by the same unreliable people with the same bad history, thus resulting in a subpar product? Sorry, but I will continue to call a spade a spade here.

 

The funny thing here is that you continue to use a car or two from different manufacturers to support your argument when it doesn't. Why? Because while it's true that others have problems with certain cars at one time or another, Fiat and Alfa had and continue to have problems with ALL of their cars ALL of the time and that is the difference you are clearly not getting. 

Showing examples of $h!ty reliability from other manufacturers is certainly relevant here.  You want to damn this new car without any real data or proof and at the same time do not want other manufactures brought up because it invalidates your point.  You are the one not even giving a vehicle a chance while ignoring MAJOR quality and reliability issues from another manufacturer simply because you like them.  get real.  You Also keep bringing up reputation, but guess what?  GM doesn't exactly have a great quality record, especially Cadillac, but i don't see you holding that against them.......  It is like you want one to succeed and want the other to fail.  i personally want to see both succeed.  

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15 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Because while it's true that others have problems with certain cars at one time or another, Fiat and Alfa had and continue to have problems with ALL of their cars ALL of the time and that is the difference you are clearly not getting. 

THIS IS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE!!  :thumbsup:

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THIS IS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE!!  :thumbsup:

Except this is the first large production Alfa in 20 years.  fiats, again, were old on old platforms before they ever crossed the ocean while this is a new platform with a proven transmission and an engine designed, like the platform, for far more mainstream models.   I hear your side of the story, but it isn't the only side.  You can down one car manufacturer because you don't want to succeed while ignoring the issues of the one you want to succeed.  GM's problems, for example, go FAR beyond the few small things i have listed.  

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3 minutes ago, Stew said:

Except this is the first large production Alfa in 20 years.  fiats, again, were old on old platforms before they ever crossed the ocean while this is a new platform with a proven transmission and an engine designed, like the platform, for far more mainstream models.   I hear your side of the story, but it isn't the only side.  You can down one car manufacturer because you don't want to succeed while ignoring the issues of the one you want to succeed.  GM's problems, for example, go FAR beyond the few small things i have listed.  

Old on an old platform that they're selling. Probably doesn't satisfy any customer knowing they were sold something old and out of date that's unreliable any more knowing that.

How many Civics and Corvettes were known to be unreliable POS throughout the years? Because if the answer is anything other than "ALL OF THEM" then we're not being too fair, right?

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5 minutes ago, Stew said:

Except this is the first large production Alfa in 20 years.  fiats, again, were old on old platforms before they ever crossed the ocean while this is a new platform with a proven transmission and an engine designed, like the platform, for far more mainstream models.   I hear your side of the story, but it isn't the only side.  You can down one car manufacturer because you don't want to succeed while ignoring the issues of the one you want to succeed.  GM's problems, for example, go FAR beyond the few small things i have listed.  

GMs problem are nowhere close to Fiat and Alfas. It's not even the same sport trying to compare Fiat and Alfa to any of the domestics, as a matter of fact. Again, history speaks for itself and is 100% relevant to today's product, bad sunroofs and all.

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Just now, ccap41 said:

Old on an old platform that they're selling. Probably doesn't satisfy any customer knowing they were sold something old and out of date that's unreliable any more knowing that.

How many Civics and Corvettes were known to be unreliable POS throughout the years? Because if the answer is anything other than "ALL OF THEM" then we're not being too fair, right?

A $h! ton of Corvettes.  they were never known for their reliability or build quality.  Civic?  generally good there and that is why my next daily will be one.  The Giulietta in Europe actually does NOT have a bad reliability record so you cannot say all of them.  That car is also a high production unit which gives us a better idea than the Alfas built 20 years ago or low production sports cars. 

2 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

GMs problem are nowhere close to Fiat and Alfas. It's not even the same sport trying to compare Fiat and Alfa to any of the domestics, as a matter of fact. Again, history speaks for itself and is 100% relevant to today's product, bad sunroofs and all.

Nope, again, you are ignoring the issues of the manufacturer you want to succeed while damning the one the one you want  to succeed.  When Alfa left all GM had was pure, unreliable, poorly built garbage.  Every model basically across every manufacturer.  Same for Ford.  Yet, you ive them the benefit of the doubt when there is proof out there that they still aren't too great. 

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3 minutes ago, Stew said:

A $h! ton of Corvettes.  they were never known for their reliability or build quality.  Civic?  generally good there and that is why my next daily will be one.  The Giulietta in Europe actually does NOT have a bad reliability record so you cannot say all of them.  That car is also a high production unit which gives us a better idea than the Alfas built 20 years ago or low production sports cars. 

Nope, again, you are ignoring the issues of the manufacturer you want to succeed while damning the one the one you want  to succeed.  When Alfa left all GM had was pure, unreliable, poorly built garbage.  Every model basically across every manufacturer.  Same for Ford.  Yet, you ive them the benefit of the doubt when there is proof out there that they still aren't too great. 

I am not ignoring anything Stew. I have clearly stated that the others have has their issues. It is you that has ignored the difference between them and Fiat/Alfa though, plain and simple. You have already moved the bar from not criticizing a preproduction car to now not criticizing an early or first year model car. I'm not even sure you would even have this stance if Fiat did not own Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep since you are a molar fan (nothing wrong with that btw, just to make that clear).

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4 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

I am not ignoring anything Stew. I have clearly stated that the others have has their issues. It is you that has ignored the difference between them and Fiat/Alfa though, plain and simple. You have already moved the bar from not criticizing a preproduction car to now not criticizing an early or first year model car. I'm not even sure you would even have this stance if Fiat did not own Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep since you are a molar fan (nothing wrong with that btw, just to make that clear).

I have actually been an Alfa fan, as i was Pontiac, I loved my flawed b and D bodies and MN12s.  You act as if I am only a one manufacturer fanboy.  guess what?  i have owned more GM than anything and a number of Fords.  Right now I have 2 Dodges, a Chevy, a VW, and a Toyota.   When Alfa left, GM and Fords were just as bad (i have owned a number of each from that era). 

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10 minutes ago, Stew said:

I have actually been an Alfa fan, as i was Pontiac, I loved my flawed b and D bodies and MN12s.  You act as if I am only a one manufacturer fanboy.  guess what?  i have owned more GM than anything and a number of Fords.  Right now I have 2 Dodges, a Chevy, a VW, and a Toyota.   When Alfa left, GM and Fords were just as bad (i have owned a number of each from that era). 

Stop putting words in mouth Stew. Never said that you were a one brand fan but I know you are a fan of Mopar (damn autocorrect keeps changing it to "molar"), nothing less nothing more. Furthermore, I am actually old enough to have grown up with Fiats and Alfas (new models at the time) and that is why I will never trust them any farther than I can kick them. Again, while the domestics had their fair share of $h! on their hands, Alfa and Fiat stepped it up with good old fashioned diarrhea in bucket and it continues for another three decades after the crappy 80s while the domestics have improved drastically during that time. That is the fundamental difference here.

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Just now, surreal1272 said:

Stop putting words in mouth Stew. Never said that you were a one brand fan but I know you are a fan of molar, nothing less nothing more. Furthermore, I am actually old enough to have grown up with Fiats and Alfas (new models at the time) and that is why I will never trust them any farther than I can kick them. Again, while the domestics had their fair share of $h! on their hands, Alfa and Fiat stepped it up with good old fashioned diarrhea in bucket and it continues for another three decades after the crappy 80s while the domestics have improved drastically during that time. That is the fundamental difference here.

You do remember the Ford and GM products of the time, right?  I got them because i liked them, but everyone had issues.  Blown headgaskets in my 3.8 T-Bird, every front end piece, AC, and blown out freeze plugs TWICE in my 5.0 T-Bird, and every GM had the fuel pump fail, front end issues, and the interiors literally fell apart in your hands.  We are talking about the same tim period here. 

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Just now, Stew said:

You do remember the Ford and GM products of the time, right?  I got them because i liked them, but everyone had issues.  Blown headgaskets in my 3.8 T-Bird, every front end piece, AC, and blown out freeze plugs TWICE in my 5.0 T-Bird, and every GM had the fuel pump fail, front end issues, and the interiors literally fell apart in your hands.  We are talking about the same tim period here. 

Again, not debating the issues of the domestics as they are well documented and I have been a victim of them myself. However, they were far better than the crap being pumped out of Italy. Not sure why you keep sidesteepping that fundamental point but again, I am old enough to have experienced the repeated issues of Italian cars when they still existed in this country. It is also why I am not a fan of British cars.

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2 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Again, not debating the issues of the domestics as they are well documented and I have been a victim of them myself. However, they were far better than the crap being pumped out of Italy. Not sure why you keep sidesteepping that fundamental point but again, I am old enough to have experienced the repeated issues of Italian cars when they still existed in this country. It is also why I am not a fan of British cars.

I guess my point is that they deserve the same chance as anyone else.  So far the issues have been minor and not unexpected for a new car on a new platform.  Kind of off-topic, but looking at the new Camry and hearing how good the new TNG platform is, everyone will have a lot to worry about as Toyota is coming back full force.  

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Normally I would agree on that point but you don't get a chance when you have the worst reputation in the world. I'm just going to leave this snippet from a 2011 Autoblog article. Pay close attention to the part in bold and then try to civic events me that domestics were ever this bad. 



Putting Bad Quality in the Rearview Mirror

"As long as they have the quality high and competitive so as to avoid bad publicity, they will do well if they play up the 'La Dolce Vita" personality of Fiat and the Italian roots," says Charlie Hughes, industry consultant at Brand Rules, and the former marketing chief of Fiat when it was operating in the U.S. in the late 1970s.

Hughes says the dark days of terrible Fiat quality during the Carter administration will only be relevant to a small number of buyers with long memories. One of them is Thomas Pellechia of Hammondsport, NY, an author. Pellechia said he lusted for a Fiat X1/9 in 1976, paying $4,000 for a chocolate brown two-seater with removable hard top. "Driving the X1/9 was exactly what I had expected it to be -- heaven," he said. "It not only looked intriguing and pretty, it felt right and comfortable. Acceleration was exhilarating, shifting was effortless, and being seen in this car was essential."

Have you considered purchasing a Fiat 500?
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The exhilaration quickly gave way to misery. The car would start up fine, but after a short while would buck and overheat, according to Pellechia, who said that several trips to the dealer brought no relief. After a terrifying break-down in the Holland Tunnel between New Jersey and Manhattan, and with fewer than 2,000 miles on the odometer, Pellechia says he unloaded it for $1,500 to a used car dealer. While that was relatively low mileage, Pellechia says the warranty had expired at just 1,000 miles.

His experience wasn't unique. Hughes says of 100,000 Fiats sold in 1975, the company had huge warranty claims on 99,000. "It was bad, real bad," he said of the brand's quality.

Today Fiat still ranks below average in J.D. Power's Vehicle Ownership Satisfaction Study in Europe. But the 500 stands out as an exception, ranking as the top city car, for example, in France.
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Really?  A 1976?  Come on now... if we're going to expect people to stop bringing up the Cadillac Cimerron  or 8-6-4 in every CTS-V review, we need to let a 1976 Alfa go too.

As I said earlier... a faulty sunroof switch isn't that big of a deal.  My 2nd year CTS had a similar issue and it was otherwise rock solid after the sunroof dial was replaced under warranty. (I wish they'd bring that dial back as a sunroof control, so much better than the pushbutton)

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1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Really?  A 1976?  Come on now... if we're going to expect people to stop bringing up the Cadillac Cimerron  or 8-6-4 in every CTS-V review, we need to let a 1976 Alfa go too.

As I said earlier... a faulty sunroof switch isn't that big of a deal.  My 2nd year CTS had a similar issue and it was otherwise rock solid after the sunroof dial was replaced under warranty. (I wish they'd bring that dial back as a sunroof control, so much better than the pushbutton)

My best friend used to have a 1985 Spider (that was a year old at the time) that was the most horrible pile I have ever seen. Also, the point was to show that while GM and Ford had some lemons over the decades (especially in the 80s), they simply do not pale in comparison to the Greek tradgedies that were Fiat and Alfa back then. 

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I had two friends with similar vintage Firebirds that couldn't stay running when making right hand turns at suburban speeds. I'm still willing to forget about quality problems from 3 decades ago and give GM and Alfa a chance.

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16 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I had two friends with similar vintage Firebirds that couldn't stay running when making right hand turns at suburban speeds. I'm still willing to forget about quality problems from 3 decades ago and give GM and Alfa a chance.

Again though Drew, my stance on Fiat is further supported by the current model of cars they offer, like the prize winner known as the 500. Their past is still present just by that one example. When I see three or four years of overall trouble free ownership of their cars, then I will be swayed. Until then, they have done nothing to convince me that they are any better than they were 30 years ago.

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Just now, surreal1272 said:

Again though Drew, my stance on Fiat is further supported by the current model of cars they offer, like the prize winner known as the 500. Their past is still present just by that one example. When I see three or four years of overall trouble free ownership of their cars, then I will be swayed. Until then, they have done nothing to convince me that they are any better than they were 30 years ago.

The 500 is a reliability dog, I know, but that doesn't mean the entire company is like that. 

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      The bold, elegant volumes of the body side make reference to a seemingly distant past, recalling the sensual qualities found in the pure forms of the Duetto and the Disco Volante Spider, while the Tonale’s “Linea GT” interprets the tension and confidence of the pouncing stance found on the beloved GT Junior. The front end sports Alfa Romeo’s signature “Trilobo” and the distinctive “Scudetto” grille that serves as the central point of strength, driving the speed and fluidity that moves throughout the Tonale. Flanking the iconic “Scudetto” and completing the front monographic is the “3 plus 3” forward lighting that evokes the proud gaze reflective of the SZ and Brera. The rear of the Tonale is elegantly defined by an enveloping window volume, complemented on top by the suspended wing that enhances the continuity between the transparent roof and the rear window itself. As every Alfa Romeo design is cared for through the human touch, the rear lighting is reminiscent of an artistic signature, rather than an optical lighting element … a sort of luminous signature born directly from the artist’s hand.  

      With the inspiration of Alfa Romeo’s racing history at the core, the Tonale interior design conjures the passion associated with providing a spirited drive through dynamic form and pure sculpture. The interior of the Tonale is very driver oriented and the overall layout is designed comfortably for four passengers. The hand-drawn gestural lines stretch throughout the environment to create a muscular tension, as if what surrounds you is ready to lunge forward. The emotional significance of the Tonale interior is also generated by the contrast of rich materials, such as the cold solidity of aluminum combined with the soft and welcoming warmth of the leather and Alcantara. Inside there are translucent backlit panels, such as the central tunnel, providing the perfect location for the essential Alfa Romeo element, the DNA drive mode selector. The Tonale interior provides an inclusive experience, with details typically reserved for the exclusive. The interior is immersive and welcoming, with the dynamic attributes appreciated by those who love to drive.

      The Tonale concept vehicle is equipped with the highest levels of technology to ensure a connected, comfortable and dynamic user experience, while keeping the pleasure of a sporty drive at the forefront.

      The driver's attention will be on the road, with the peripheral focus on a 12.3-inch full digital cluster and a 10.25-inch touchscreen central head unit. The new infotainment features a seamless and fluid multitasking interface that allows the driver to have all the latest features and functionality readily available at their fingertips. The Tonale allows the driver to be fully connected to the Alfa Romeo Lifestyle and Social communities, realized and presented through the new infotainment features, “Alfista” and “Paddock”.
        "Alfista” is an immersive Alfa Romeo Lifestyle experience, providing a fully connected interface with select Alfa Romeo clubs and community events, such as gatherings, drives and meets. This in-vehicle app allows the driver access to live news and updates about the current happenings of the Alfa Romeo brand. The customer has the ability to confirm attendance to events and gatherings, order Alfa Romeo Racing tickets, as well as apply for opportunities to win VIP access to special Alfa Romeo sponsored events, just to name a few. “Paddock” is the Alfa Romeo Tonale in-vehicle garage and market for real-time viewing and purchasing of the latest interior and exterior performance upgrades and equipment. The Paddock app also enables the customer to scroll through the latest offerings of Alfa Romeo Merchandise and Apparel, which can be ordered direct with the touch of the screen.
      The Alfa Romeo Tonale is our look into the future of the premium compact SUV segment, creating a holistic creative expression and through the blend of beauty and technology. For Alfa Romeo Design, it is our “opera d’arte,” or piece of art … otherwise expressed as our Alfa Romeo Tonale.

      Authentically Alfa Romeo
      The Tonale marks the debut of the brand in the premium compact utility vehicle segment and does so in line with the characteristics that have always identified each Alfa Romeo model. The goal is to deliver the best driving dynamics in the segment and to apply electrification in perfect Alfa Romeo style. 

      It is the natural evolution of the brand on the way toward propulsive synergy capable of enhancing performance and driving dynamics. Rather than simply adapting to new standards, with the Tonale concept car Alfa Romeo is reinterpreting its own DNA to capture the new idea of beauty, energy, harmony, efficiency and driving user-friendliness. 

      The electrification of Alfa Romeo comes at the service of sportiness and emphasizes the famous "Mechanics of Emotions" mission of the brand. For this reason, it has no need to express itself through signatures or decided livery, but just with small details such as the Alfa logo, or “Biscione” in hybrid optics, a small yet definitive detail that enhances the Tonale. The rear electric engine opens the way to new technological solutions that offer driving dynamics, maximizes the drive and the pleasure of sporty driving. The evolution is also evident in the drive modes managed by Alfa D.N.A. From the beginning on the 4C and through the development with Giulia and Stelvio, it has reached the Tonale and now implements specific energy management functions.
        "Dynamic" mode evolves into "Dual Power" mode and guarantees maximum output from the two engines "Natural" mode continues to maintain the best performance optimization, and the compromise between using electric and internal combustion engines is managed automatically. This translates into everyday energy and fuel savings, but not at the detriment of performance The “Advance Efficiency” mode becomes “Advance E” for performance in full electric mode. So, in line with the principles of the brand, the plug-in hybrid propulsion enhances the beauty, sporty and dynamic driving characteristics of each Alfa Romeo model, taking them to a new level. In Tonale, electrification embraces performance and represents a new way to achieve high performance and outstanding driving fun The infotainment touch screen features an “E-mozione” button, which offers specific throttle settings, sharper braking and a more direct steering response
      Alfa Romeo Tonale
      The Tonale embodies the adventure potential of a premium compact, dynamic sport utility vehicle capable of guaranteeing the adrenaline of sporty driving inherent in the legend of the brand, in urban settings with the same ease. The hum of the electric motor accompanies the genuinely Alfa Romeo roar creating an efficient, exciting synergy at the service of driving pleasure. The energy switch to electric is the latest key page in the 109-year-long history of the Alfa Romeo legend and one which will propel the brand into the future. 

      This is also behind the name chosen for the new concept car. The Tonale Pass, not far from the Stelvio Pass in the Alps, is a large natural amphitheater famous for its majestic peaks, the natural spectacle of frothy waterfalls and snow all year round in a breath-taking natural setting. Directly connected to the Stelvio Pass, excitement and harmony coexist in the Tonale Pass area. The Tonale is an important development under the sign of continuity and geographical proximity, an evolution traced in time in an evocative association.
       
      About Alfa Romeo
      Since its foundation in Milan, Italy, in 1910, Alfa Romeo has designed and crafted some of the most stylish and exclusive cars in automotive history. That tradition lives on today as Alfa Romeo continues to take a unique and innovative approach to designing automobiles. Born from the world’s greatest driving road – the Stelvio Pass – the Alfa Romeo Stelvio sets a new benchmark in performance, style and technology in an SUV that could only be from Italy. The award-winning Alfa Romeo Giulia delivers race-inspired performance, advanced technologies, seductive Italian style and an exhilarating driving experience to the premium mid-size sedan segment. Crafted by Alfa Romeo artisans at the Cassino plant in Italy, the Giulia Quadrifoglio and the Stelvio Quadrifoglio feature Alfa Romeo’s most powerful production engine ever with best-in-class 0-60 mph times of 3.8 and 3.6 seconds, respectively. Rounding out Alfa Romeo’s world-class lineup is the handcrafted Alfa Romeo 4C Spider, which represents the purest form of La meccanica delle emozioni (the mechanics of emotion), with its race-inspired, mid-engine design and state-of-the-art, Formula 1-inspired carbon fiber monocoque chassis.  
    • By Drew Dowdell
      Alfa Romeo pulled the wraps off their Tonale concept today at the Geneva International Auto Show.  The concept hints at the direction the brand would like to take with a possible crossover slotted below the Stelvio in size. 
      The concept features some retro design cues with the deep set Alfa Romeo grille and thin horizontal headlight cluster. There is a slight wraparound in the rear glass and some thin, full-width tail lamps. The interior features a 12.3" diagonal gauge cluster and a 10.25 inch infotainment screen.  
      Technical specs are limited at this point, but Alfa Romeo does say that the concept would be a plug-in hybrid.  The concept utilizes a rear electric motor to maximize handling performance and includes multiple modes to vary the experience from sporty to maximum efficiency.
      The brand plans on launching 6 PHEVS by the end of 2022. 
      Related: Review: 2018 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Ti
      FCA Press Release on Page 2
      The New Alfa Romeo Tonale Concept Vehicle: Electrification Meets Beauty And Dynamism
       
      First Alfa Romeo plug-in hybrid premium compact SUV makes its debut at 2019 Geneva International Motor Show Distinctive features of Italian style are projected into the future, striking the perfect blend of valued heritage and anticipation of a new evolution for Alfa Romeo In keeping with Alfa Romeo’s DNA, every detail is designed according to the driver's needs Tonale premium compact SUV concept is Alfa Romeo’s take on electrification: state-of-the-art technology and enticing driving dynamics March 5, 2019 , Turin, Italy - Alfa Romeo is breaking into the electric vehicle world at the 2019 Geneva International Motor Show, revealing the new concept of the Alfa Romeo Tonale premium compact SUV. The Tonale is the first plug-in hybrid and the first premium compact SUV for Alfa Romeo. It rewrites the rules of today's fastest growing segment using the brand’s trademark language made up of gorgeous Italian design and unparalleled driving dynamics.

      A Premium Compact SUV Inspired By Beauty And Alfa Romeo’s Design DNA
      The design of the Tonale is an expression that looks fondly into our future. Its compact dimensions embody unique Italian design and the unmistakable original and modern style typical of Alfa Romeo, striking the perfect blend of valued heritage and anticipation of a new evolution. Alfa Romeo holds dear the essence of Italian art and sculpture through the timeless “artigianale” experience of hand sculpting. 

      The Tonale is inspired by the beauty and nuances associated with human forms, and the organic movement of light resulted by pure lines and volumes. Its design tangibly recalls a number of time-honored style elements that are synonymous with the rich history of Alfa Romeo, with an execution that excites a modern approach to the new Alfa Romeo anatomy. 

      An element that echoes the tradition of Alfa Romeo’s DNA is the phone dial wheel. The Tonale’s 21-inch wheel design displays this through a lightweight architectural construction, creating an honest and impactful execution of the circular theme. The lineage of the phone dial wheel dates back to the 1960s, worn proudly on the iconic 33 Stradale. The distinctive Tonale wheel design is also celebrated harmoniously with an exclusive Pirelli tire scheme.

      The bold, elegant volumes of the body side make reference to a seemingly distant past, recalling the sensual qualities found in the pure forms of the Duetto and the Disco Volante Spider, while the Tonale’s “Linea GT” interprets the tension and confidence of the pouncing stance found on the beloved GT Junior. The front end sports Alfa Romeo’s signature “Trilobo” and the distinctive “Scudetto” grille that serves as the central point of strength, driving the speed and fluidity that moves throughout the Tonale. Flanking the iconic “Scudetto” and completing the front monographic is the “3 plus 3” forward lighting that evokes the proud gaze reflective of the SZ and Brera. The rear of the Tonale is elegantly defined by an enveloping window volume, complemented on top by the suspended wing that enhances the continuity between the transparent roof and the rear window itself. As every Alfa Romeo design is cared for through the human touch, the rear lighting is reminiscent of an artistic signature, rather than an optical lighting element … a sort of luminous signature born directly from the artist’s hand.  

      With the inspiration of Alfa Romeo’s racing history at the core, the Tonale interior design conjures the passion associated with providing a spirited drive through dynamic form and pure sculpture. The interior of the Tonale is very driver oriented and the overall layout is designed comfortably for four passengers. The hand-drawn gestural lines stretch throughout the environment to create a muscular tension, as if what surrounds you is ready to lunge forward. The emotional significance of the Tonale interior is also generated by the contrast of rich materials, such as the cold solidity of aluminum combined with the soft and welcoming warmth of the leather and Alcantara. Inside there are translucent backlit panels, such as the central tunnel, providing the perfect location for the essential Alfa Romeo element, the DNA drive mode selector. The Tonale interior provides an inclusive experience, with details typically reserved for the exclusive. The interior is immersive and welcoming, with the dynamic attributes appreciated by those who love to drive.

      The Tonale concept vehicle is equipped with the highest levels of technology to ensure a connected, comfortable and dynamic user experience, while keeping the pleasure of a sporty drive at the forefront.

      The driver's attention will be on the road, with the peripheral focus on a 12.3-inch full digital cluster and a 10.25-inch touchscreen central head unit. The new infotainment features a seamless and fluid multitasking interface that allows the driver to have all the latest features and functionality readily available at their fingertips. The Tonale allows the driver to be fully connected to the Alfa Romeo Lifestyle and Social communities, realized and presented through the new infotainment features, “Alfista” and “Paddock”.
        "Alfista” is an immersive Alfa Romeo Lifestyle experience, providing a fully connected interface with select Alfa Romeo clubs and community events, such as gatherings, drives and meets. This in-vehicle app allows the driver access to live news and updates about the current happenings of the Alfa Romeo brand. The customer has the ability to confirm attendance to events and gatherings, order Alfa Romeo Racing tickets, as well as apply for opportunities to win VIP access to special Alfa Romeo sponsored events, just to name a few. “Paddock” is the Alfa Romeo Tonale in-vehicle garage and market for real-time viewing and purchasing of the latest interior and exterior performance upgrades and equipment. The Paddock app also enables the customer to scroll through the latest offerings of Alfa Romeo Merchandise and Apparel, which can be ordered direct with the touch of the screen.
      The Alfa Romeo Tonale is our look into the future of the premium compact SUV segment, creating a holistic creative expression and through the blend of beauty and technology. For Alfa Romeo Design, it is our “opera d’arte,” or piece of art … otherwise expressed as our Alfa Romeo Tonale.

      Authentically Alfa Romeo
      The Tonale marks the debut of the brand in the premium compact utility vehicle segment and does so in line with the characteristics that have always identified each Alfa Romeo model. The goal is to deliver the best driving dynamics in the segment and to apply electrification in perfect Alfa Romeo style. 

      It is the natural evolution of the brand on the way toward propulsive synergy capable of enhancing performance and driving dynamics. Rather than simply adapting to new standards, with the Tonale concept car Alfa Romeo is reinterpreting its own DNA to capture the new idea of beauty, energy, harmony, efficiency and driving user-friendliness. 

      The electrification of Alfa Romeo comes at the service of sportiness and emphasizes the famous "Mechanics of Emotions" mission of the brand. For this reason, it has no need to express itself through signatures or decided livery, but just with small details such as the Alfa logo, or “Biscione” in hybrid optics, a small yet definitive detail that enhances the Tonale. The rear electric engine opens the way to new technological solutions that offer driving dynamics, maximizes the drive and the pleasure of sporty driving. The evolution is also evident in the drive modes managed by Alfa D.N.A. From the beginning on the 4C and through the development with Giulia and Stelvio, it has reached the Tonale and now implements specific energy management functions.
        "Dynamic" mode evolves into "Dual Power" mode and guarantees maximum output from the two engines "Natural" mode continues to maintain the best performance optimization, and the compromise between using electric and internal combustion engines is managed automatically. This translates into everyday energy and fuel savings, but not at the detriment of performance The “Advance Efficiency” mode becomes “Advance E” for performance in full electric mode. So, in line with the principles of the brand, the plug-in hybrid propulsion enhances the beauty, sporty and dynamic driving characteristics of each Alfa Romeo model, taking them to a new level. In Tonale, electrification embraces performance and represents a new way to achieve high performance and outstanding driving fun The infotainment touch screen features an “E-mozione” button, which offers specific throttle settings, sharper braking and a more direct steering response
      Alfa Romeo Tonale
      The Tonale embodies the adventure potential of a premium compact, dynamic sport utility vehicle capable of guaranteeing the adrenaline of sporty driving inherent in the legend of the brand, in urban settings with the same ease. The hum of the electric motor accompanies the genuinely Alfa Romeo roar creating an efficient, exciting synergy at the service of driving pleasure. The energy switch to electric is the latest key page in the 109-year-long history of the Alfa Romeo legend and one which will propel the brand into the future. 

      This is also behind the name chosen for the new concept car. The Tonale Pass, not far from the Stelvio Pass in the Alps, is a large natural amphitheater famous for its majestic peaks, the natural spectacle of frothy waterfalls and snow all year round in a breath-taking natural setting. Directly connected to the Stelvio Pass, excitement and harmony coexist in the Tonale Pass area. The Tonale is an important development under the sign of continuity and geographical proximity, an evolution traced in time in an evocative association.
       
      About Alfa Romeo
      Since its foundation in Milan, Italy, in 1910, Alfa Romeo has designed and crafted some of the most stylish and exclusive cars in automotive history. That tradition lives on today as Alfa Romeo continues to take a unique and innovative approach to designing automobiles. Born from the world’s greatest driving road – the Stelvio Pass – the Alfa Romeo Stelvio sets a new benchmark in performance, style and technology in an SUV that could only be from Italy. The award-winning Alfa Romeo Giulia delivers race-inspired performance, advanced technologies, seductive Italian style and an exhilarating driving experience to the premium mid-size sedan segment. Crafted by Alfa Romeo artisans at the Cassino plant in Italy, the Giulia Quadrifoglio and the Stelvio Quadrifoglio feature Alfa Romeo’s most powerful production engine ever with best-in-class 0-60 mph times of 3.8 and 3.6 seconds, respectively. Rounding out Alfa Romeo’s world-class lineup is the handcrafted Alfa Romeo 4C Spider, which represents the purest form of La meccanica delle emozioni (the mechanics of emotion), with its race-inspired, mid-engine design and state-of-the-art, Formula 1-inspired carbon fiber monocoque chassis.  

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