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The thing is that this is the same argument that was used for Fiat when they first came back here. How has that worked out for them? Last I checked, they were still huge piles so history is fair to use in the case of Alfa. 

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The problem with Alfa is their reputation is much worse than Cadillac. 

They were always seen as the odd sedan with the grill like a Vagina. They were driven by the odd neighbor who used a fake Italian accent. They had rust problem, they has major repair cost and they have many catastrophic engine failures. 

When they were here they were little noticed and when they left no one notices. They are best know as a trivia question as to what car did Dustin Hoffman drive in the Graduate. 

On the other hand Cadillac has major work to do in getting the public to appreciate and trust them again. This is with a brand that once was the car of millionaires and the car that was a symbol of success. It too was damaged by many bad things over the last few decades but yet they still have a treasured past for most Americans while Alfa still remains the odd ball. 

Alfa globally has a better rep of their history due to racing. But yet little love for the modern models. But the pressure Sergio has placed on them has set them up to fail from the start. 
Sergio stated by next year they are to sell 140,000 units in N America and 400,000 units globally. That is not going to happen and odds are good that it will not happen in even 5-10 years even with the CUV. 

So Alfa here needs to create a love that never really existed from a fairly unknown history for a car in one of the toughest segments to break into. 

Then the VW question. If VW buys in what do they do with them. Take them and slip a Audi platform under the body? Do they sell them off since all they want are Jeep and Ram? 

This is a car for people who march to the beat of a different drum and are willing to accept the baggage that comes with the car like low resale and high repair cost. They can not use American pride like Cadillac or a history here that anyone recalls.  

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Alfa has a worse reputation than Cadillac, but a better product than Cadillac.  So that gives them a chance.  Something that can work in Alfa Romeo's favor is the majority of people under 30-35 don't really even know what Alfa Romeo is or much about their history.  They haven't been here in 20 years, if you are 30 now, you were 10 the last time they sold a new car here.  To younger buyers they don't have baggage like Cadillac or Lincoln might have.  The other question though is can 30 year olds afford Alfa Romeo pricing?  If Alfa has to rely on older buyers that remember what they were in the 80s, they have a big hill to climb.

 

If VW were to buy Alfa they would want that Georgio platform.  Every magazine ranks the Guilia over the M3 and C63, and you don't even see the A4 anywhere near those comparisons because it isn't competitive.  

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4 hours ago, William Maley said:

Besides, what made Alfa left the U.S. back in 1996 wasn't fully reliability - it was suffering significant losses due to poor sales

Those kind of go hand in hand when talking long term.. not necessarily but they CAN. 

40 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Something that can work in Alfa Romeo's favor is the majority of people under 30-35 don't really even know what Alfa Romeo is or much about their history

That is what I was thinking as well. They've been gone long enough that us youngsters don't really know about how bad they were unless they're a gear head. 

41 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

If VW were to buy Alfa they would want that Georgio platform.  Every magazine ranks the Guilia over the M3 and C63, and you don't even see the A4 anywhere near those comparisons because it isn't competitive.

The A4 finished 2nd in the latest Motor Trend comparision w/ the 330i finishing 7th. 

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20 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Those kind of go hand in hand when talking long term.. not necessarily but they CAN. 

That is what I was thinking as well. They've been gone long enough that us youngsters don't really know about how bad they were unless they're a gear head. 

The A4 finished 2nd in the latest Motor Trend comparision w/ the 330i finishing 7th. 

Their $h!ty sales numbers and their $h!ty reliability absolutely went hand in hand. It's not even a debatable subject for anyone old enough to remember those piles (and I do lol). 

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15 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

So we are moving the bar from not being able to criticize a preproduction model to not being able to criticize an early production model? 

 

14 hours ago, William Maley said:

Umm, not fully sure about that (part I bolded). CUE has gotten better, but it is still a pain to use. A lot of it is because of decisions made by GM in terms of how the system was developed, various technical parts, and decisions on how the system is controlled. Sure, CUE takes a while to learn. But is the fault on the person who has decided to purchase the vehicle or the company that went forward with it? More on the latter than the former.

As for Alfa Romeo - Yes, the company has reputation for problematic vehicles. A Well deserved one at that. But the first year of any new vehicle from a manufacturer is going to have issues. I was reading today that Consumer Reports' Giulia Ti has already been to the dealership three times since they have bought it. If they waited a year on purchasing the Giuila, they maybe have one less visit to a dealer (only guessing here). 

I'm willing to hold off burning Alfa Romeo at the stake in terms of reliability for a couple of years till we get more data and experiences on it. If it stays the same or gets worse, then I'm all for being critical.

Besides, what made Alfa left the U.S. back in 1996 wasn't fully reliability - it was suffering significant losses due to poor sales and not wanting to make the investment to meet upcoming safety and emission standards.

Surreal, those 2 Corvettes were production models, so.......

 

Dfelt, no they have not been proven unreliable.  Little electrical glitches in pre-production and early production models are not unheard of for ANY manufacturer.  Again, see Car and Driver having TWO Corvettes actually grenade their engines.  See early production Civics being recalled because the new 2.0 NA engine had issues, see GM's new 1.5 turbo in the Malibu LITERALLY melting their pistons, these are reliability issues.  i have yet to see where an Alfa actually broke down, the engine blew up, or it left the driver stranded. 

10 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Those kind of go hand in hand when talking long term.. not necessarily but they CAN. 

That is what I was thinking as well. They've been gone long enough that us youngsters don't really know about how bad they were unless they're a gear head. 

The A4 finished 2nd in the latest Motor Trend comparision w/ the 330i finishing 7th. 

We need a new RS4.  The A4 and S4 are great and i love the virtual cockpit.  The new A5 is really growing on me too.  BMW used to be everyone's darling, but they have seriously lost their way. 

14 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

The thing is that this is the same argument that was used for Fiat when they first came back here. How has that worked out for them? Last I checked, they were still huge piles so history is fair to use in the case of Alfa. 

Mo.,o it isn't.  The Fiat's were old on old platforms well before they got here.  The only trul new Fiat is the 500X CUV and I haven't really seen data on it where it is so new, but my guess is, like the Renegade, the biggest thing was the first year tuning of the 9 speed auto. 

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44 minutes ago, Stew said:

 

Surreal, those 2 Corvettes were production models, so.......

 

Dfelt, no they have not been proven unreliable.  Little electrical glitches in pre-production and early production models are not unheard of for ANY manufacturer.  Again, see Car and Driver having TWO Corvettes actually grenade their engines.  See early production Civics being recalled because the new 2.0 NA engine had issues, see GM's new 1.5 turbo in the Malibu LITERALLY melting their pistons, these are reliability issues.  i have yet to see where an Alfa actually broke down, the engine blew up, or it left the driver stranded. 

We need a new RS4.  The A4 and S4 are great and i love the virtual cockpit.  The new A5 is really growing on me too.  BMW used to be everyone's darling, but they have seriously lost their way. 

Mo.,o it isn't.  The Fiat's were old on old platforms well before they got here.  The only trul new Fiat is the 500X CUV and I haven't really seen data on it where it is so new, but my guess is, like the Renegade, the biggest thing was the first year tuning of the 9 speed auto. 

That wasn't my question and you are deflecting by continuing to bring up a car that does not have the $h!ty history that Alfa does. 

44 minutes ago, Stew said:

 

Surreal, those 2 Corvettes were production models, so.......

 

Dfelt, no they have not been proven unreliable.  Little electrical glitches in pre-production and early production models are not unheard of for ANY manufacturer.  Again, see Car and Driver having TWO Corvettes actually grenade their engines.  See early production Civics being recalled because the new 2.0 NA engine had issues, see GM's new 1.5 turbo in the Malibu LITERALLY melting their pistons, these are reliability issues.  i have yet to see where an Alfa actually broke down, the engine blew up, or it left the driver stranded. 

We need a new RS4.  The A4 and S4 are great and i love the virtual cockpit.  The new A5 is really growing on me too.  BMW used to be everyone's darling, but they have seriously lost their way. 

Mo.,o it isn't.  The Fiat's were old on old platforms well before they got here.  The only trul new Fiat is the 500X CUV and I haven't really seen data on it where it is so new, but my guess is, like the Renegade, the biggest thing was the first year tuning of the 9 speed auto. 

Yes it is 100% comparable and who gives two $h!s whether its an old platform or not. How many times does it have to be said that those cars are still being built by the same unreliable people with the same bad history, thus resulting in a subpar product? Sorry, but I will continue to call a spade a spade here.

 

The funny thing here is that you continue to use a car or two from different manufacturers to support your argument when it doesn't. Why? Because while it's true that others have problems with certain cars at one time or another, Fiat and Alfa had and continue to have problems with ALL of their cars ALL of the time and that is the difference you are clearly not getting. 

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15 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

That wasn't my question and you are deflecting by continuing to bring up a car that does not have the $h!ty history that Alfa does. 

Yes it is 100% comparable and who gives two $h!s whether its an old platform or not. How many times does it have to be said that those cars are still being built by the same unreliable people with the same bad history, thus resulting in a subpar product? Sorry, but I will continue to call a spade a spade here.

 

The funny thing here is that you continue to use a car or two from different manufacturers to support your argument when it doesn't. Why? Because while it's true that others have problems with certain cars at one time or another, Fiat and Alfa had and continue to have problems with ALL of their cars ALL of the time and that is the difference you are clearly not getting. 

Showing examples of $h!ty reliability from other manufacturers is certainly relevant here.  You want to damn this new car without any real data or proof and at the same time do not want other manufactures brought up because it invalidates your point.  You are the one not even giving a vehicle a chance while ignoring MAJOR quality and reliability issues from another manufacturer simply because you like them.  get real.  You Also keep bringing up reputation, but guess what?  GM doesn't exactly have a great quality record, especially Cadillac, but i don't see you holding that against them.......  It is like you want one to succeed and want the other to fail.  i personally want to see both succeed.  

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15 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Because while it's true that others have problems with certain cars at one time or another, Fiat and Alfa had and continue to have problems with ALL of their cars ALL of the time and that is the difference you are clearly not getting. 

THIS IS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE!!  :thumbsup:

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THIS IS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE!!  :thumbsup:

Except this is the first large production Alfa in 20 years.  fiats, again, were old on old platforms before they ever crossed the ocean while this is a new platform with a proven transmission and an engine designed, like the platform, for far more mainstream models.   I hear your side of the story, but it isn't the only side.  You can down one car manufacturer because you don't want to succeed while ignoring the issues of the one you want to succeed.  GM's problems, for example, go FAR beyond the few small things i have listed.  

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3 minutes ago, Stew said:

Except this is the first large production Alfa in 20 years.  fiats, again, were old on old platforms before they ever crossed the ocean while this is a new platform with a proven transmission and an engine designed, like the platform, for far more mainstream models.   I hear your side of the story, but it isn't the only side.  You can down one car manufacturer because you don't want to succeed while ignoring the issues of the one you want to succeed.  GM's problems, for example, go FAR beyond the few small things i have listed.  

Old on an old platform that they're selling. Probably doesn't satisfy any customer knowing they were sold something old and out of date that's unreliable any more knowing that.

How many Civics and Corvettes were known to be unreliable POS throughout the years? Because if the answer is anything other than "ALL OF THEM" then we're not being too fair, right?

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5 minutes ago, Stew said:

Except this is the first large production Alfa in 20 years.  fiats, again, were old on old platforms before they ever crossed the ocean while this is a new platform with a proven transmission and an engine designed, like the platform, for far more mainstream models.   I hear your side of the story, but it isn't the only side.  You can down one car manufacturer because you don't want to succeed while ignoring the issues of the one you want to succeed.  GM's problems, for example, go FAR beyond the few small things i have listed.  

GMs problem are nowhere close to Fiat and Alfas. It's not even the same sport trying to compare Fiat and Alfa to any of the domestics, as a matter of fact. Again, history speaks for itself and is 100% relevant to today's product, bad sunroofs and all.

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Just now, ccap41 said:

Old on an old platform that they're selling. Probably doesn't satisfy any customer knowing they were sold something old and out of date that's unreliable any more knowing that.

How many Civics and Corvettes were known to be unreliable POS throughout the years? Because if the answer is anything other than "ALL OF THEM" then we're not being too fair, right?

A $h! ton of Corvettes.  they were never known for their reliability or build quality.  Civic?  generally good there and that is why my next daily will be one.  The Giulietta in Europe actually does NOT have a bad reliability record so you cannot say all of them.  That car is also a high production unit which gives us a better idea than the Alfas built 20 years ago or low production sports cars. 

2 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

GMs problem are nowhere close to Fiat and Alfas. It's not even the same sport trying to compare Fiat and Alfa to any of the domestics, as a matter of fact. Again, history speaks for itself and is 100% relevant to today's product, bad sunroofs and all.

Nope, again, you are ignoring the issues of the manufacturer you want to succeed while damning the one the one you want  to succeed.  When Alfa left all GM had was pure, unreliable, poorly built garbage.  Every model basically across every manufacturer.  Same for Ford.  Yet, you ive them the benefit of the doubt when there is proof out there that they still aren't too great. 

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3 minutes ago, Stew said:

A $h! ton of Corvettes.  they were never known for their reliability or build quality.  Civic?  generally good there and that is why my next daily will be one.  The Giulietta in Europe actually does NOT have a bad reliability record so you cannot say all of them.  That car is also a high production unit which gives us a better idea than the Alfas built 20 years ago or low production sports cars. 

Nope, again, you are ignoring the issues of the manufacturer you want to succeed while damning the one the one you want  to succeed.  When Alfa left all GM had was pure, unreliable, poorly built garbage.  Every model basically across every manufacturer.  Same for Ford.  Yet, you ive them the benefit of the doubt when there is proof out there that they still aren't too great. 

I am not ignoring anything Stew. I have clearly stated that the others have has their issues. It is you that has ignored the difference between them and Fiat/Alfa though, plain and simple. You have already moved the bar from not criticizing a preproduction car to now not criticizing an early or first year model car. I'm not even sure you would even have this stance if Fiat did not own Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep since you are a molar fan (nothing wrong with that btw, just to make that clear).

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4 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

I am not ignoring anything Stew. I have clearly stated that the others have has their issues. It is you that has ignored the difference between them and Fiat/Alfa though, plain and simple. You have already moved the bar from not criticizing a preproduction car to now not criticizing an early or first year model car. I'm not even sure you would even have this stance if Fiat did not own Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep since you are a molar fan (nothing wrong with that btw, just to make that clear).

I have actually been an Alfa fan, as i was Pontiac, I loved my flawed b and D bodies and MN12s.  You act as if I am only a one manufacturer fanboy.  guess what?  i have owned more GM than anything and a number of Fords.  Right now I have 2 Dodges, a Chevy, a VW, and a Toyota.   When Alfa left, GM and Fords were just as bad (i have owned a number of each from that era). 

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10 minutes ago, Stew said:

I have actually been an Alfa fan, as i was Pontiac, I loved my flawed b and D bodies and MN12s.  You act as if I am only a one manufacturer fanboy.  guess what?  i have owned more GM than anything and a number of Fords.  Right now I have 2 Dodges, a Chevy, a VW, and a Toyota.   When Alfa left, GM and Fords were just as bad (i have owned a number of each from that era). 

Stop putting words in mouth Stew. Never said that you were a one brand fan but I know you are a fan of Mopar (damn autocorrect keeps changing it to "molar"), nothing less nothing more. Furthermore, I am actually old enough to have grown up with Fiats and Alfas (new models at the time) and that is why I will never trust them any farther than I can kick them. Again, while the domestics had their fair share of $h! on their hands, Alfa and Fiat stepped it up with good old fashioned diarrhea in bucket and it continues for another three decades after the crappy 80s while the domestics have improved drastically during that time. That is the fundamental difference here.

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Just now, surreal1272 said:

Stop putting words in mouth Stew. Never said that you were a one brand fan but I know you are a fan of molar, nothing less nothing more. Furthermore, I am actually old enough to have grown up with Fiats and Alfas (new models at the time) and that is why I will never trust them any farther than I can kick them. Again, while the domestics had their fair share of $h! on their hands, Alfa and Fiat stepped it up with good old fashioned diarrhea in bucket and it continues for another three decades after the crappy 80s while the domestics have improved drastically during that time. That is the fundamental difference here.

You do remember the Ford and GM products of the time, right?  I got them because i liked them, but everyone had issues.  Blown headgaskets in my 3.8 T-Bird, every front end piece, AC, and blown out freeze plugs TWICE in my 5.0 T-Bird, and every GM had the fuel pump fail, front end issues, and the interiors literally fell apart in your hands.  We are talking about the same tim period here. 

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Just now, Stew said:

You do remember the Ford and GM products of the time, right?  I got them because i liked them, but everyone had issues.  Blown headgaskets in my 3.8 T-Bird, every front end piece, AC, and blown out freeze plugs TWICE in my 5.0 T-Bird, and every GM had the fuel pump fail, front end issues, and the interiors literally fell apart in your hands.  We are talking about the same tim period here. 

Again, not debating the issues of the domestics as they are well documented and I have been a victim of them myself. However, they were far better than the crap being pumped out of Italy. Not sure why you keep sidesteepping that fundamental point but again, I am old enough to have experienced the repeated issues of Italian cars when they still existed in this country. It is also why I am not a fan of British cars.

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2 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Again, not debating the issues of the domestics as they are well documented and I have been a victim of them myself. However, they were far better than the crap being pumped out of Italy. Not sure why you keep sidesteepping that fundamental point but again, I am old enough to have experienced the repeated issues of Italian cars when they still existed in this country. It is also why I am not a fan of British cars.

I guess my point is that they deserve the same chance as anyone else.  So far the issues have been minor and not unexpected for a new car on a new platform.  Kind of off-topic, but looking at the new Camry and hearing how good the new TNG platform is, everyone will have a lot to worry about as Toyota is coming back full force.  

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Normally I would agree on that point but you don't get a chance when you have the worst reputation in the world. I'm just going to leave this snippet from a 2011 Autoblog article. Pay close attention to the part in bold and then try to civic events me that domestics were ever this bad. 



Putting Bad Quality in the Rearview Mirror

"As long as they have the quality high and competitive so as to avoid bad publicity, they will do well if they play up the 'La Dolce Vita" personality of Fiat and the Italian roots," says Charlie Hughes, industry consultant at Brand Rules, and the former marketing chief of Fiat when it was operating in the U.S. in the late 1970s.

Hughes says the dark days of terrible Fiat quality during the Carter administration will only be relevant to a small number of buyers with long memories. One of them is Thomas Pellechia of Hammondsport, NY, an author. Pellechia said he lusted for a Fiat X1/9 in 1976, paying $4,000 for a chocolate brown two-seater with removable hard top. "Driving the X1/9 was exactly what I had expected it to be -- heaven," he said. "It not only looked intriguing and pretty, it felt right and comfortable. Acceleration was exhilarating, shifting was effortless, and being seen in this car was essential."

Have you considered purchasing a Fiat 500?
Yes. I love them! 1 (50.0%)
No. Can't see myself driving one.  
The exhilaration quickly gave way to misery. The car would start up fine, but after a short while would buck and overheat, according to Pellechia, who said that several trips to the dealer brought no relief. After a terrifying break-down in the Holland Tunnel between New Jersey and Manhattan, and with fewer than 2,000 miles on the odometer, Pellechia says he unloaded it for $1,500 to a used car dealer. While that was relatively low mileage, Pellechia says the warranty had expired at just 1,000 miles.

His experience wasn't unique. Hughes says of 100,000 Fiats sold in 1975, the company had huge warranty claims on 99,000. "It was bad, real bad," he said of the brand's quality.

Today Fiat still ranks below average in J.D. Power's Vehicle Ownership Satisfaction Study in Europe. But the 500 stands out as an exception, ranking as the top city car, for example, in France.
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Really?  A 1976?  Come on now... if we're going to expect people to stop bringing up the Cadillac Cimerron  or 8-6-4 in every CTS-V review, we need to let a 1976 Alfa go too.

As I said earlier... a faulty sunroof switch isn't that big of a deal.  My 2nd year CTS had a similar issue and it was otherwise rock solid after the sunroof dial was replaced under warranty. (I wish they'd bring that dial back as a sunroof control, so much better than the pushbutton)

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1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Really?  A 1976?  Come on now... if we're going to expect people to stop bringing up the Cadillac Cimerron  or 8-6-4 in every CTS-V review, we need to let a 1976 Alfa go too.

As I said earlier... a faulty sunroof switch isn't that big of a deal.  My 2nd year CTS had a similar issue and it was otherwise rock solid after the sunroof dial was replaced under warranty. (I wish they'd bring that dial back as a sunroof control, so much better than the pushbutton)

My best friend used to have a 1985 Spider (that was a year old at the time) that was the most horrible pile I have ever seen. Also, the point was to show that while GM and Ford had some lemons over the decades (especially in the 80s), they simply do not pale in comparison to the Greek tradgedies that were Fiat and Alfa back then. 

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I had two friends with similar vintage Firebirds that couldn't stay running when making right hand turns at suburban speeds. I'm still willing to forget about quality problems from 3 decades ago and give GM and Alfa a chance.

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16 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I had two friends with similar vintage Firebirds that couldn't stay running when making right hand turns at suburban speeds. I'm still willing to forget about quality problems from 3 decades ago and give GM and Alfa a chance.

Again though Drew, my stance on Fiat is further supported by the current model of cars they offer, like the prize winner known as the 500. Their past is still present just by that one example. When I see three or four years of overall trouble free ownership of their cars, then I will be swayed. Until then, they have done nothing to convince me that they are any better than they were 30 years ago.

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Just now, surreal1272 said:

Again though Drew, my stance on Fiat is further supported by the current model of cars they offer, like the prize winner known as the 500. Their past is still present just by that one example. When I see three or four years of overall trouble free ownership of their cars, then I will be swayed. Until then, they have done nothing to convince me that they are any better than they were 30 years ago.

The 500 is a reliability dog, I know, but that doesn't mean the entire company is like that. 

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      3,651                  4,092                 -11%

      1,216                  1,011                  20%

      67,117           51,884              29%

      231,382             189,997             22%

      20,775                13,366              55%

      5,784                  5,249              10%

      257,941           208,612           24%

      200

      300

      Town & Country

       

      Pacifica

      CHRYSLER BRAND

      6                        88                    -93%

      2,665                  3,484                 -24%

      0                         1                     -100%

       

      8,232                11,151                -26%

      10,903            14,724               -26%

      35                      842                -96%

      12,953               20,389             -36%

      3                         5                  -40%

       

      38,490               53,910             -29%

      51,481          75,146            -31%

      Dart Avenger Charger Challenger Viper Journey Caravan Durango

      DODGE  BRAND

      0                        29                   -100%

      1                         0                     100%

      9,296                  6,869                  35%

      5,748                  7,005                 -18%

      0                         3                     -100%

      7,642                10,966                 -30%

      16,809                15,487                   9%

       

      8,263                  6,222                  33%

      47,759              46,581               3%

      10                      307                -97%

      1                         2                  -50%

      36,012               34,766                4%

      23,601                30,545              -23%

      2                        14                 -86%

      38,727                41,023               -6%

      59,732               70,511             -15%

       

      31,453               27,378              15%

      189,538           204,546            -7%

      500

      500L

      500X Spider

      FIAT BRAND

      335                     264                    27%

      69                      184                   -63%

      272                     568                   -52%

       

      349                     425                   -18%

      1,025                1,441             -29%

      1,386                 1,908              -27%

      309                     747                -59%

      1,284                 2,711              -53%

       

      1,191                 1,493              -20%

      4,170                6,859             -39%

      Giulia Alfa 4C Stelvio

      ALFA ROMEO

      797                   1,175                 -32%

      14                      19                    -26%

      761                   1,183                 -36%

      1,572                2,377             -34%

      3,578                  5,383              -34%

      82                      95                 -14%

      3,782                  4,538              -17%

      7,442             10,016            -26%

      FCA US LLC

      218,702           214,294                2%

      890,027           913,212            -3%


       
         
       
    • By Drew Dowdell
      FCA US Reports April 2019 Sales; Quarterly Reporting of Sales to Start in Q3

      Jeep® Grand Cherokee and Jeep Compass post new April sales records Ram pickup notches best April ever as sales rise 25 percent Overall Ram brand sales reach new high     FCA US to report sales quarterly starting Oct. 1 May 1, 2019 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - FCA US LLC notched four U.S. sales records for April, highlighting consumer demand for the company’s brands despite continued softness within the industry.
       
      FCA sold 172,900 vehicles in the month compared to 184,149 vehicles for the same period a year earlier. Retail sales accounted for 129,382 vehicles and fleet accounted for 25 percent of total sales. On a year-to-date basis, fleet accounted for 27 percent of total sales.

      The Jeep® Compass and Jeep Grand Cherokee both reported April records as sales rose 10 percent and 23 percent, respectively. This was the second consecutive month Grand Cherokee set a record monthly high.  

      The Ram brand achieved its fourth consecutive month of record sales for the year, as April sales rose 25 percent to 53,811 vehicles. Ram pickup sales also had their second consecutive month of record sales with 49,106 vehicles sold.

      "April marks the start of the spring selling season and we anticipate strong consumer spending as we move through May,” U.S Head of Sales Reid Bigland said. "The industry may be shaking off the first-quarter sluggishness, but shoppers are coming into showrooms and buying. We sold more than 300 Jeep Gladiators, which are now starting to arrive in showrooms across the country, and we expect our Gladiator count to continue to rise, reflecting both ongoing demand and the fulfillment of the 4,190 orders taken in early April for the 2020 Gladiator Launch Edition."   

      See the attached table for the breakdown of brand and nameplate sales.

       
    • By Drew Dowdell
      FCA is paying Tesla hundreds of millions of dollar to pool their vehicles with Tesla to avoid EU fines over emissions. Tesla put out an invitation to other automakers to use its fleet to lower their emissions totals and FCA took them up on it.  Neither company released financial specifics of the deal, but it is estimated by the Financial Times to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars.  
      Similar to California which allows manufactures with a surplus of ZEV credits to sell them to manufacturers who need them, the EU Commission allows manufacturers to pool together their fleets to avoid paying fines. Tesla makes significant money selling these credits in the US, earning $103.4m in 2018 and $279.7m in 2017. Once set up, the pool in Europe is good for several years.
      Vehicles in 2018 are allowed an average CO2 emission of 120.5g per kilometer. That figure will drop to 95g per kilometer next year.  FCA's average for 2018 was 123g per kilometer, one of the largest off the mark of the 13 major manufacturers. FCA is seen to have fallen to near the back of the pack when in comes to reigning in CO2 emissions.
      FCA was forecast to be facing fines exceeding €2 billion ($2.25 billion) without pooling with Tesla. 
       

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    • By Drew Dowdell
      FCA is paying Tesla hundreds of millions of dollar to pool their vehicles with Tesla to avoid EU fines over emissions. Tesla put out an invitation to other automakers to use its fleet to lower their emissions totals and FCA took them up on it.  Neither company released financial specifics of the deal, but it is estimated by the Financial Times to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars.  
      Similar to California which allows manufactures with a surplus of ZEV credits to sell them to manufacturers who need them, the EU Commission allows manufacturers to pool together their fleets to avoid paying fines. Tesla makes significant money selling these credits in the US, earning $103.4m in 2018 and $279.7m in 2017. Once set up, the pool in Europe is good for several years.
      Vehicles in 2018 are allowed an average CO2 emission of 120.5g per kilometer. That figure will drop to 95g per kilometer next year.  FCA's average for 2018 was 123g per kilometer, one of the largest off the mark of the 13 major manufacturers. FCA is seen to have fallen to near the back of the pack when in comes to reigning in CO2 emissions.
      FCA was forecast to be facing fines exceeding €2 billion ($2.25 billion) without pooling with Tesla. 
       
    • By Drew Dowdell
      FCA US Reports March 2019 Sales

      Ram pickup reports new March record as sales increase 9 percent to 45,187 sold Jeep® Grand Cherokee notches best March ever as sales rise 26 percent to 24,655 vehicles sold Ram brand sets new March record as sales jump 15 percent to 51,822 sold April 2, 2019 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - FCA US LLC reported a new March record for the Ram brand as sales jumped 15 percent, underscoring the success the company has found in its two-pronged strategy of selling both the Ram 1500 and Ram Classic.

      The performance of the Ram brand, combined with a new March record for Jeep® Grand Cherokee, countered general softness within the industry. FCA sold 200,307 vehicles in the month.
       
      "The industry had a tough first quarter but with spring finally starting to show its face and continued strong economic indicators, such as a boost in housing sales, lower lending rates and a strong labor market, we are confident that new vehicle sales demand will strengthen going forward," Reid Bigland, Head of U.S. Sales, said. "Meanwhile, our Ram brand sales and average transaction prices continue to be strong and our much anticipated, game-changing Jeep Gladiator pickup is on track for its in-market debut this month."

      See the attached table for the breakdown of brand and nameplate sales.

      Method of Determining FCA US LLC’s Monthly Sales. FCA US’s reported vehicle sales represent unit sales of vehicles to retail customers, deliveries of vehicles to fleet customers and to others such as FCA US’s employees and retirees as well as vehicles used for marketing. Most of these reported sales reflect retail sales made by dealers out of their own inventory of vehicles previously purchased by them from FCA US. Reported vehicle units sales do not correspond to FCA US’s reported revenues, which are based on FCA US’s sale and delivery of vehicles, and typically recognized upon shipment to the dealer or end customer. As announced on July 26, 2016, FCA US has modified its methodology for monthly sales reporting as follows:  Sales to retail customers by dealers in the U.S. are derived from the New Vehicle Delivery Report (“NVDR”) system and are determined as the sum of (A) all sales recorded by dealers during the month net of all unwound transactions recorded to the end of that month (whether the original sale was recorded in the current month or any prior month); plus (B) all sales of vehicles during that month attributable to past unwinds that had previously been reversed in determining monthly sales (in the current or prior months).  Fleet sales are recorded upon the shipment of the vehicle by FCA US to the customer or end user.  Other retail sales are recorded either (A) when the sale is recorded in the NVDR system (for sales by dealers in Puerto Rico and limited sales made through distributors that submit NVDRs in the same manner as for sales by U.S. dealers) or (B) upon receipt of a similar delivery notification (for vehicles for which NVDRs are not entered such as vehicles for FCA employees). FCA US LLC Sales Summary March 2019
      Model
       
      Month Sales
      Vol %
      Change
      CYTD Sales
      Curr Yr             Pr Yr
      Vol %
      Change
      Curr Yr
      Pr Yr
      Compass
       
      14,945
      17,302
      -14%
      37,306
      43,520
      -14%
      Patriot
       
      1
      100
      -99%
      10
      364
      -97%
      Wrangler
       
      21,963
      27,829
      -21%
      49,978
      55,504
      -10%
      Gladiator
       
      43
      0
      New
      123
      0
      New
      Cherokee
       
      18,262
      23,764
      -23%
      49,420
      50,610
      -2%
      Grand Cherokee
       
      24,665
      19,616
      26%
      57,749
      53,448
      8%
      Renegade
       
      7,449
      9,771
      -24%
      18,218
      24,659
      -26%
      JEEP BRAND
       
      87,328
      98,382
      -11%
      212,804
      228,105
      -7%
      Ram P/U
       
      45,187
      41,307
      9%
      120,026
      103,964
      15%
      Cargo Van
       
      0
      0
      0%
      0
      0
       
      ProMaster Van
       
      4,928
      2,451
      101%
      13,319
      6,457
      106%
      ProMaster City
       
      1,707
      1,120
      52%
      3,668
      3,233
      13%
      RAM BRAND
       
      51,822
      44,878
      15%
      137,013
      113,654
      21%
      200
       
      8
      189
      -96%
      26
      659
      -96%
      300
       
      3,704
      6,223
      -40%
      8,290
      12,992
      -36%
      Town & Country
       
      0
      1
      -100%
      1
      3
      -67%
      Pacifica
       
      8,457
      13,086
      -35%
      23,274
      32,579
      -29%
      CHRYSLER BRAND
       
      12,169
      19,499
      -38%
      31,591
      46,233
      -32%
      Dart
       
      2
      87
      -98%
      8
      252
      -97%
      Avenger
       
      0
      0
      100%
      0
      1
      -100%
      Charger
       
      8,858
      8,504
      4%
      20,615
      21,265
      -3%
      Challenger
       
      6,562
      8,150
      -19%
      13,431
      17,648
      -24%
      Viper
       
      0
      6
      -100%
      1
      9
      -89%
      Journey
       
      8,513
      10,275
      -17%
      24,003
      18,419
      30%
      Caravan
       
      15,806
      16,292
      -3%
      35,440
      43,144
      -18%
      Durango
       
      6,626
      5,870
      13%
      17,019
      16,233
      5%
      DODGE BRAND
       
      46,367
      49,184
      -6%
      110,517
      116,971
      -6%
      500
       
      310
      439
      -29%
      778
      1,309
      -41%
      500L
       
      61
      173
      -65%
      168
      395
      -57%
      500X
       
      262
      607
      -57%
      755
      1,579
      -52%
      Spider
       
      214
      325
      -34%
      513
      731
      -30%
      FIAT BRAND
       
      847
      1,544
      -45%
      2,214
      4,014
      -45%
      Giulia
       
      858
      1,284
      -33%
      2,035
      3,085
      -34%
      Alfa 4C
       
      18
      22
      -18%
      41
      54
      -24%
      Stelvio
       
      898
      1,270
      -29%
      2,210
      2,653
      -17%
      ALFA ROMEO
       
      1,774
      2,576
      -31%
      4,286
      5,792
      -26%
      FCA US LLC
       
      200,307
      216,063
      -7%
      498,425
      514,769
      -3%
       
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