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Hey, @Cmicasa the Great   Related image

 

Ill make you famous!

Casa, the Camaro6 LOOKS EXACTLY like a copy then pasted and reduced by 10-15% Camaro5.

There are more VISUAL differences between a 1970 Camaro versus a 1978 Camaro than the Zeta Camaro versus the Alpha Camaro!

There are more VISUAL differences between a 1982 Camaro then there is a 1992 Camaro!

There are more VISUAL differences between a 1993 Camaro and a 2002 Camaro!

The Camaro6 is an absolute MONSTER of a car performance wise...VISUALLY though...it leaves much to be desired.

The Camaro6 should have been the Camaro5 visually and dimensionally. GM had to make do withy the Zeta platform, and that is GREAT! So the Camaro5 is what it was, which at the end was a FAN-PHOQUING-TASTIC car that was LOOOONG in the tooth in the VISUAL department...and what does GM do for the next gen? GM copy and pastes the Camaro5 and reduces it by 10-15%....

The Camaro6 should have NOT looked that way. It SHOULD have taken a different approach.

But @Cmicasa the Great, its OK...we had are showdown at the OK Corral a looong time ago regarding this! Time to move forward.

A little reminder...

Transformers the Movie came out in 2007 when we got a glimpse of what the Camaro will look like...we are in 2017....that is a decade of having a similar look!

Deny is all you could do...but unlike Johnny Ringo, I am your huckleberry and I do NOT back down and I certainly don't lose to you!

 

 

 

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Back on topic, Interesting deals on the Equinox in Washington State:

2018 Models

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2017 & 2016 models

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About this new Equinox that the focus group supposedly got right that GM changed the look to this one...

HOW THE PHOQUE DO I KNOW THE FOCUS GROUP GOT IT RIGHT?

1a. There is no picture of the previous non focus group Equinox so I could at least compare and see for myself!!!

1b. If there is such as story...it could be #fakenews just for #fakenews sake to sell a story to tell us how new GM is different than the old GM!!!

2. Only time will tell as SALES SALES SALES against its COMPETITION COMPETITION COMPETITION will determine if the focus group got it right!

TALK ABOUT FLUFF MARKETING!!!

AND WE GAVE WINGS SHYTE BECAUSE FoMoCo BULLSHYTED US WITH FLUFF LIKE THIS!!!

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Here is the deal. 

Now we know why it was delayed. 

Two while some may not like this now sales will determine the success. Looking around it is no better or worse than any of the others so performance and interior will determine much of how it does. Function plays a bigger roll here. 

I hated the Terrain and now own one. These things grow on you and GM has enough  a models that one should appeals to someone. 

The Camaro is fine it is the fact Coupes are a hard sell and price. Add to this the boomers that were buying them in their 50-60's are now in their 70's and have moved on. 

The Camaro 5 also was a car built under duress. They had to take an older platform that was updated. convert it to a smaller coupe than the GTO and make it work. They made a mistake buy taking the show car and not changing it enough on the inside. It clear to the Camaro team they need to change the inside but GM wanted it left alone. 

The Camaro group did help but also much of what they said was also not done too. GM gets the blessing or curse for any results the advisory group could only pass along their ideas that were used and more often not used. I know someone in the group so I have heard of their recommendations. 

Keep this a good value, Make it drive and ride better than the others. Keep it reliable. Make it user friendly and you will sell a crap load of these. 

As for appealing to women well they buy 80% of them so who else would you make it appeal to. The GMC is a little more butch so it will pick up those lead when they dance. 

My wife was not impressed as it did not look to sit as high. She likes that on her present Terrain. Right now she is on the Acadia Denali  as it is a little larger but not as large as it used to be. By the time we replace her car it may be something else by then in this ever changing market. 

I am not an SUV guy but if GM just builds on what they had in the last model it will do fine. It may not pass the others all up as this is a loyal group but if they can just slowly increase market share it is a win.

The reviews will be critical as many who buy in this segment can't check their own oil. They read and trust what others say and the first reviews are positive. Next high crash results will be important too. 

I think they should make things like the heated wheel and vented seats an option that can be had in many levels as this would be something women would like. Simple comfort items like this can make or break a deal as people buy features and utility here not styling. 

By the way the rejection story here is a GM story and the work of media. I think they did it for two reasons. One if it leaked out they would have to explain so get in front of it. Second it is being used to show they listened and cared enough to get it right as they say. 

These things are two key points to the non enthusiast as they do not know automakers like we do. 

To understand this segment toss out everything you know as an automotive enthusiast as this is the anti enthusiast vehicle. If it made sense to you then they missed the market demo.  

Note too on the last model it was too large, it was to heavy, it had too much cheap plastic, it was too old and as time when on it sold better and better. None of it made sense but it worked. This segment is not your normal buyer. 

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Re: Camaro. 

If they simply reskinned the new one with a taller roof and carved out some legroom I think you'd see sales take off. The rakish look is great but it is really hurting sales. 

The new equinox is nice but a little cramped in front compared to the outgoing version. Some may not care but some will perceive it as downsized. I think they should be careful to not make too many of them with the 1.5. Put the 2.0 in most of them. Keep the price down.

otherwise they really did feminize it but as many years of big RAV4 and Crv sales attest, they may be ok here. They really should have left the terrain boxy and butch though

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9 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

I think that is the point. The smaller CUV market normally skews to women. The Terrain on the other hand still looks more masculine.. at least to me. AND there may be a huge set-up for Chevy trying to get ready for a Trailblazer (based on Colorado7) launch

 

Dare I say, you'd be right on! I disappointed in the way the new Nox is going, but a soon to be greenlighted TB would make it worth it.....

One of the times we can thank Ford for that....8)

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How about we DROP the Tank Windows and give it a more open greenhouse to let natural light in. I have talked with many camaro fans and while many love the performance, they hate the tiny side greenhouse windows.

Yes, I know that the higher doors with side impact pillars give it the 5 star rating for side safety, but I have to think they could still get that rating and have more natural light into the auto.

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How about we also move on from the pseudo 1967-1969( they say its more 1969 than 1967) retro look and evolve the bloody model...

As much as I LOVE the Challenger, I feel that the Challenger also has played out its retroness if anybody thinks Im being hypocritical....I CAAAAANT WAIT for a Guilia platform Chally to make an entrance if FCA and Dodge exist long enough for that to happen... 

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these designs mentioned here are iconic; they've basically reached their zenith. Change for changes' sake- what does that accomplish?

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1 hour ago, regfootball said:

Re: Camaro. 

If they simply reskinned the new one with a taller roof and carved out some legroom I think you'd see sales take off. The rakish look is great but it is really hurting sales. 

The new equinox is nice but a little cramped in front compared to the outgoing version. Some may not care but some will perceive it as downsized. I think they should be careful to not make too many of them with the 1.5. Put the 2.0 in most of them. Keep the price down.

otherwise they really did feminize it but as many years of big RAV4 and Crv sales attest, they may be ok here. They really should have left the terrain boxy and butch though

And add two doors and put a hatch on the back with a third row then it would fix the sales. LOL! 

It is a damn good coupe and it is in a segment that is very limited. Mustang and Dodge both are not burning up the sales charts and even the smaller coupes from Asia are not setting the world on fire either. 

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33 minutes ago, balthazar said:

these designs mentioned here are iconic; they've basically reached their zenith. Change for changes' sake- what does that accomplish?

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I dont know?

You wanna buy the same car over and over and over and over and over again?

About the Camaro...

The Camaro has had 3 ZENITH designs...3.

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The 2nd and 3rd gen defining the 1970s and 1980s respectively.

If that was the case, not changing for changing's sake, we'd be still having the 1st generation NEVER experiencing the 2nd or the 3rd...

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14 hours ago, dfelt said:

How about we DROP the Tank Windows and give it a more open greenhouse to let natural light in. I have talked with many camaro fans and while many love the performance, they hate the tiny side greenhouse windows.

Agreed. If only the Camaro would open up the sightlines I would almost guarantee I'd want one over a Mustang. The performance is undeniable and w/ my driving style the low end tw of the LT1 favors me more than the Coyote. You just can't see out of the damn thing. My buddy w/ a 5th gen offered to give me his keys when we were going from a restaurant to a bar a few weeks ago but he stated, "it'll be a bastard to try and park there" referring to the sucky parking lot we were going to to begin with and then how crappy the visibility is in his car. I said no thanks, for now.

 

14 hours ago, dfelt said:

Yes, I know that the higher doors with side impact pillars give it the 5 star rating for side safety, but I have to think they could still get that rating and have more natural light into the auto.

EVERYBODY else accomplished this. No reason they can't.

13 hours ago, balthazar said:

these designs mentioned here are iconic; they've basically reached their zenith. Change for changes' sake- what does that accomplish?

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You can evolve a body style without changing "just to change". Look at the Mustang for example, or that above pictured Lambo.

Camaro existed in the 70's-2002 without this current design. Throw those some retro bones as well. You don't always have to mimic the originals to be retro. The 2002 Catfish Camaro looked nothing like the original but that's not bad.

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12 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

I dont know?

You wanna buy the same car over and over and over and over and over again?

About the Camaro...

The Camaro has had 3 ZENITH designs...3.

Image result for 1st generation camaro

Related image

 

Image result for 3rd gen f body

The 2nd and 3rd gen defining the 1970s and 1980s respectively.

If that was the case, not changing for changing's sake, we'd be still having the 1st generation NEVER experiencing the 2nd or the 3rd...

YES! Throw some homage to #2 & #3! And would you look at that...the driver can see out of those cars as well. Weird.

I completely agree with that entire post, @oldshurst442!

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15 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

I dont know?

You wanna buy the same car over and over and over and over and over again?

About the Camaro...

The Camaro has had 3 ZENITH designs...3.

Image result for 1st generation camaro

Related image

 

Image result for 3rd gen f body

The 2nd and 3rd gen defining the 1970s and 1980s respectively.

If that was the case, not changing for changing's sake, we'd be still having the 1st generation NEVER experiencing the 2nd or the 3rd...

Note that these 2/3 gen camaros look sexy as hell, and perform, but don't have mailslot windows and smashed down roofs. I bet you can get an actual human in the backseat of those too

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4 hours ago, regfootball said:

Note that these 2/3 gen camaros look sexy as hell, and perform, but don't have mailslot windows and smashed down roofs. I bet you can get an actual human in the backseat of those too

They didn't also have the crash regulation, the mpg regulations and all the petty preconceived notions of what a Camaro souled look like.

while retro is cool it is also a easy way out on the lack of styling creativity. Less risk less gains in creating a future classic.

i warned years ago here that Retro is a two edged sword where you get the good of the past but fail to progress to new and even better designs. 

Just look at the box Mini is in. They try to break out but remain stuck with their past. Global sales bail them out.

The back seat of the Camaro sucked since the first gen. Do Kid your self. It is bad today and it was not much better then. 

That is just the nature of a sport coupe. 

You take a muscle coupe and take away the risky styling and then you end up with a 04 GTO.

Lets face it half of you will be up set no matter which direction they go and 95% of you are not going to buy the car anyways. Just be honest here!

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True, fun to drive, but not to own. Happy with my SUV's! :metal: 

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There's a big problem with this Equinox, and it's the Top-end pricing.

Anybody looking at this as a legititmate contender to the CR-V and it is, will find that even with having a turbo engine standard, top-end models lose value compeletly to the Honda, and it's a juggernaut in this segment.

When Honda can deliver a larger vehicle, with a more potent engine and more features, and more fuel economy and a lower price to boot, plus better resale....I find it conceivable that a major redesign was done. But honestly, I recognized this trend recently. Almost all of GM's new sedans or coupes are truly excellent. But their crossovers are just merely competitive in their segments. Yeah, go ahead combine the incoming Terrain, but that's supposed to be a near-luxury crossover, and it gets the 1.5T standard too. 

With the diesel and 2.0T not even out yet, crossing the $40k barrier with a resized, no longer mid-sized crossover is a little tough. Plus, what the hell is that kind of value when a nice Traverse can be had for a little more change?

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The Camaro has a big advantage over the Mustang. In the Camaro Gen 6 my head hit the headliner. In the Mustang my head hit the real glass. If given the choice the headliner would prove to be much better on the melon. LOL! 

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46 minutes ago, hyperv6 said:

The Camaro has a big advantage over the Mustang. In the Camaro Gen 6 my head hit the headliner. In the Mustang my head hit the real glass. If given the choice the headliner would prove to be much better on the melon. LOL! 

I know what you mean...I rode in the back seat of a current Mustang a couple years ago, just a brief trip to lunch and back...my head was against the rear window, rode up front also.   The new Mustangs seem smaller inside than the previous ones--they seem even smaller inside than my boxy Fox era GT.   

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I visited a lot of a chevy Mazda dealer today while we are traveling. 

They had a nice new Equinox on the lot. Loaded up but of course still the 1.5. Looks really good!  It was parked next to the outgoing one. The outgoing one looks old and tired now. The new one does look a bit smaller, but also looks sleeker. Even if it's feminized, it might draw some new attention.  

Of course they had a price tag of like 37,000 on it. Srsly?

and about 50 feet away is a new cx-9, a few of them actually. With tags on them ranging from 37k to 40k......

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10 hours ago, Suaviloquent said:

There's a big problem with this Equinox, and it's the Top-end pricing.

Anybody looking at this as a legititmate contender to the CR-V and it is, will find that even with having a turbo engine standard, top-end models lose value compeletly to the Honda, and it's a juggernaut in this segment.

When Honda can deliver a larger vehicle, with a more potent engine and more features, and more fuel economy and a lower price to boot, plus better resale....I find it conceivable that a major redesign was done. But honestly, I recognized this trend recently. Almost all of GM's new sedans or coupes are truly excellent. But their crossovers are just merely competitive in their segments. Yeah, go ahead combine the incoming Terrain, but that's supposed to be a near-luxury crossover, and it gets the 1.5T standard too. 

With the diesel and 2.0T not even out yet, crossing the $40k barrier with a resized, no longer mid-sized crossover is a little tough. Plus, what the hell is that kind of value when a nice Traverse can be had for a little more change?

New CR-V will easily remain king of the segment.  Equinox is a bit of a miss, imo, with pricing... value for money spent, being an elephant in the room.  I totally agree with Suave here.

On the Camaro, there are only two iconic designs, and all other Camaros have been variations on them.  First gen '67-'69 and second gen '70-'81.  Third and fourth gen were riffs on the second gen ethos.  5 and 6 are riffs on the first-gen.  Not to say that the competition isn't doing the same thing...

 

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I like the looks of the new Equinox, but like @ocnblu I fear that GM is going to get to ambitious with pricing and it will hurt sales.   A fully loaded CR-V Touring with AWD, sunroof, NAV, and Driving Autotronics is $33,695.  A Chevrolet Equinox Premier AWD similarly equipped (but active cruise control doesn't appear to be available) is $37,900.  The outgoing CX-5 is $34,600.... A completely loaded Cherokee Trailhawk V6 is still slightly less money than the Equinox

So I see Chevy having to rebate these down a bit to keep them moving. 

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Checked one out this week too, quite liked it, but not enough.  I would rather get a Sportwagen Alltrack or a larger more practical cuv for the same price or less like a CRV.

 

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1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I like the looks of the new Equinox, but like @ocnblu I fear that GM is going to get to ambitious with pricing and it will hurt sales.   A fully loaded CR-V Touring with AWD, sunroof, NAV, and Driving Autotronics is $33,695.  A Chevrolet Equinox Premier AWD similarly equipped (but active cruise control doesn't appear to be available) is $37,900.  The outgoing CX-5 is $34,600.... A completely loaded Cherokee Trailhawk V6 is still slightly less money than the Equinox

So I see Chevy having to rebate these down a bit to keep them moving. 

It doesn't help either that the Equinox seems like a minor step forward while the CR-V has taken a quantum leap.  I liked the last gen Equinox, especially the later models with the 3.6 V6 and thought the last CR-V was an overrated POS.  That has changed. 

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It is like they're building in a need for the perpetuation of rebates with this pricing scheme.  Sad.

The somewhat brawny new CR-V is proof you can have a CUV that appeals to both sexes, and the interior in the Honda is simply beautiful.

Over here though I am anxiously awaiting my new Compass.

 

 

 

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      The dash sports a 10-inch touchscreen infotainment center standard. Buyers can opt for a rear seat entertainment system with twin 12.6-inch displays. Interior room is up; Tahoe sports 40 percent more third-row leg room and 66 percent more cargo volume behind the third row. While maximum cargo room is up 30 percent, the overall length increased only 4 percent. This is done on a wheelbase that is 4.9 inches longer than the 2020 model.  Suburban gets a 4.1 inch increase in wheelbase so that interior cargo volume increases 19 percent while overall length increases 1.3 inches.
      INTERIOR DIMENSIONS
        TAHOE SUBURBAN Headroom
      (in / mm): 42.3 / 1074 (first row)
      38.9 / 988 (second row)
      38.2 / 970 (third row)
      42.3 / 1074 (first row)
      38.8 / 988 (second row)
      38.2 / 970 (third row)
      Legroom
      (in / mm):
      44.5 / 1131 (first row)
      42 / 1068 (second row)
      34.9 / 886 (third row)
      44.5 / 1131 (first row)
      42 / 1068 (second row)
      36.7 / 933 (third row)
      EPA Passenger Volume
      (cu ft / L):
      168.4 / 4768
      170.4 / 4826
      Cargo Volume^
      (cu ft / L):
      122.9 / 3479 (behind first row)
      72.7 / 2058 (behind second row)
      25.5 / 722 (behind third row)
      144.7 / 4097 (behind first row)
      92.9 / 2632 (behind second row)
      41.1 / 1164 (behind third row)
       
       



       
    • By Drew Dowdell
      Chevrolet has released pricing of the new Trailblazer crossover that is coming to the U.S. market in early 2020.  
      The base L model is the one that will start below $20k at $19,995. It comes with a 1.2-liter turbocharged 3-cylinder, front wheel drive, and a continuously variable transmission.  Inside it carries a 7.0 inch touchscreen with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto as standard. Standard on the L are 16 inch steel wheels with wheel covers. All-wheel drive is not available on the L.
      Moving up to the LS model which starts at $22,495 allows you to option into all-wheel drive for an additional $2,000. Opting for all-wheel drive also means you get a 0.1-liter engine upgrade to the 1.3 liter 3-cylinder that makes 155 horsepower.  Wheels are upgrades to 17-inch alloys.
      The LT will set you back $24,595, again standard with FWD and the 1.2-liter unless you spend an extra $2,000 for AWD and the 1.3-liter. However, you can opt for the 1.3-liter on its own at the LT level. 
      The Activ (pictured, top) which starts at $26,395 is billed as the off-road trim. It comes with a revised fascia with a larger grille opening, unique 17-inch wheels, all-terrain tires, changes to the dampers, and the 1.3-liter standard in both FWD or AWD models. This time, AWD costs $1,500 to select. 
      Then there is the RS (pictured, right) which also starts at $26,395. It also comes standard with the 1.3-liter engine with a $1,500 AWD option. The changes to the RS are mostly appearance changes to make it look more sporty.
      The Trailblazer goes on sale in Spring 2020.
       


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    • By Drew Dowdell
      Chevrolet has released pricing of the new Trailblazer crossover that is coming to the U.S. market in early 2020.  
      The base L model is the one that will start below $20k at $19,995. It comes with a 1.2-liter turbocharged 3-cylinder, front wheel drive, and a continuously variable transmission.  Inside it carries a 7.0 inch touchscreen with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto as standard. Standard on the L are 16 inch steel wheels with wheel covers. All-wheel drive is not available on the L.
      Moving up to the LS model which starts at $22,495 allows you to option into all-wheel drive for an additional $2,000. Opting for all-wheel drive also means you get a 0.1-liter engine upgrade to the 1.3 liter 3-cylinder that makes 155 horsepower.  Wheels are upgrades to 17-inch alloys.
      The LT will set you back $24,595, again standard with FWD and the 1.2-liter unless you spend an extra $2,000 for AWD and the 1.3-liter. However, you can opt for the 1.3-liter on its own at the LT level. 
      The Activ (pictured, top) which starts at $26,395 is billed as the off-road trim. It comes with a revised fascia with a larger grille opening, unique 17-inch wheels, all-terrain tires, changes to the dampers, and the 1.3-liter standard in both FWD or AWD models. This time, AWD costs $1,500 to select. 
      Then there is the RS (pictured, right) which also starts at $26,395. It also comes standard with the 1.3-liter engine with a $1,500 AWD option. The changes to the RS are mostly appearance changes to make it look more sporty.
      The Trailblazer goes on sale in Spring 2020.
       

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