Honda News: Honda Sees Accord Coupe Buyers Will Become Accord Sedan Buyers

[William Maley]

We knew it was coming, but it was still a shock when Honda announced that the Accord Coupe would be no more with the next-generation model. As The Truth About Cars notes, about 5 percent of Accord sales were the coupe. That means out of 345,225 Accords sold last year, about 17,200 were for the coupe. 

Despite dropping the coupe, Honda believes buyers of the coupe will switch over to the sedan.

“The sedan has dramatic enough styling to appeal to coupe intenders,” said Sage Marie, American Honda spokesman at the reveal of the 2018 Accord to Wards Auto.

The key words in that quote is 'coupe intenders'. We have to wonder how many of the buyers of the Accord Coupe bought it because it was the better looking of the two. We also wonder how many Accord Coupe owners will transition to the new sedan. It might be a small amount, but considering how much hemorrhaging is going on in the sales of midsize sedans, every little bit will help.

Source: Wards Auto, The Truth About Cars

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[David]

Every little bit will also hurt as that is a potential 17K of sales that could go elsewhere. Interesting 

[A Horse With No Name]

2 hours ago, dfelt said:

Every little bit will also hurt as that is a potential 17K of sales that could go elsewhere. Interesting 

I will happily switch from an Accord coupe into a good forty or fifty other cars, no sweat.

[riviera74]

Honda is making the right bet that coupes no longer sell.  The real question is whether Honda Accord coupe buyers will stay loyal or switch to Acura, instead of going to the competition.

[A Horse With No Name]

1 hour ago, riviera74 said:

Honda is making the right bet that coupes no longer sell.  The real question is whether Honda Accord coupe buyers will stay loyal or switch to Acura, instead of going to the competition.

Here is hoping competition.  I like Honda better than Ford or Nissan, but am kind of out of love with the brand.

[Cmicasa the Great]

So basically what I'd like to see is those buyers of coupes migrate over to Chevy or Ford and get a Camaro or Mustang. Both companies should market to ex-Accord Coupe buyers. Considering how great both cars have become.. advanced well far ahead of anything Honda produces.. including most Acuras, this should be a no brainer

 

[Cmicasa the Great]

so @cubical-aka.. what's so funny about that suggestion?

 

 

[Robert Hall]

38 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

so @cubical-aka.. what's so funny about that suggestion?

 

 

Because it is so unlikely that Honda buyers or intenders would ever consider a domestic RWD model....  I just couldn't see that working.  Totally different models, different market niche, different buyers.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Cubical-aka-Moltar

[oldshurst442]

42 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

so @cubical-aka.. what's so funny about that suggestion?

 

 

Ill answer...The Accord Coupe crowd has nothing to do with the Camaro and Mustang crowd. Even the Challenger crowd. Even if 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder pony cars are marketed to these folk.

These folk bought an Accord coupe when the Mustang and Camaro were on sale and they skipped on the chance to own an American pony car and if the allure of American pony car did not attract them then, then nothing will attract them to an American pony car even when the Accord coupe will no longer be available to them...

After the Accord coupe will no longer be available for sale and the new generation of coupe buyersof any coupe  wanna buy a coupe, well...if 50-55 years of American pony car history wont be enough to entice them to buy an American pony car, then no amount of fake marketing will entice these guys...

So...that also applies to current Accord Coupe buyers...

When they bought their Accord Coupe, they nixed at a chance to be part of that 50-55 years of American Pony car heritage...no amount of fake marketing will turn that around...

Remember...The American Pony Car has 50-55 years behind it...all those Muscle car wars and myths and legends...these folk decided to buy an Accord Coupe instead...

This coming from a guy that bought a 1999 Oldsmobile Alero Coupe...

This coming from a guy that has a Trans Am Phoenix as his Avatar...

Coming from a guy that in 1999, could have bought a 1999 Trans Am instaed of an Alero Coupe...or the very least, a Firebird...

So...

Edited July 21, 2017 by oldshurst442

[A Horse With No Name]

6 hours ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

So basically what I'd like to see is those buyers of coupes migrate over to Chevy or Ford and get a Camaro or Mustang. Both companies should market to ex-Accord Coupe buyers. Considering how great both cars have become.. advanced well far ahead of anything Honda produces.. including most Acuras, this should be a no brainer

 

Agreed....Malibu is much nicer than the Accord also.

3 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Because it is so unlikely that Honda buyers or intenders would ever consider a domestic RWD model....  I just couldn't see that working.  Totally different models, different market niche, different buyers.

Pretty much a human thought dilemma...we get comfortable and unwilling to try different things.

[Frisky Dingo]

I always hated the Accord Coupe.

[oldshurst442]

20 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said:

I always hated the Accord Coupe.

Me too.

But there was one model Accord coupe that I did like!

3rd generation 1987-1989

and the 1986-1991 Prelude

But this is the last you will ever see me admit to that!!!

[David]

1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

Me too.

But there was one model Accord coupe that I did like!

3rd generation 1987-1989

and the 1986-1991 Prelude

But this is the last you will ever see me admit to that!!!

Each their own, just blah box's to me.

[oldshurst442]

13 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Each their own, just blah box's to me.

Did you like the  Chevy Caprice and Montecarlos of those years? 

Hint: They get to be a tad boxy themselves...

Dont you like classic 1950s and 1960s American iron?

Hint: The Tri-5 Chevys are called shoe boxes as a nickname for a reason...

PS: Arent you always saying that 4 door coupes are boring?

What gives?

Dont beat around the bush....

Say you hate Japanese cars and be done with it!!!

[David]

1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

Did you like the  Chevy Caprice and Montecarlos of those years? 

Hint: They get to be a tad boxy themselves...

Dont you like classic 1950s and 1960s American iron?

Hint: The Tri-5 Chevys are called shoe boxes as a nickname for a reason...

PS: Arent you always saying that 4 door coupes are boring?

What gives?

Dont beat around the bush....

Say you hate Japanese cars and be done with it!!!

Love the R33 & R34 Skyline. Love some of the classic Japanese cars. These two just are blah. But you are right I do love the mid 80's Monte Carlo and Buick National. Older 50's and 60's are a hit and miss with me. Depends on the little details that make me love the car or not. 

These two are just Blah to me. in the same way I find the K-cars blah.

[balthazar]

6 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Did you like the  Chevy Caprice and Montecarlos of those years? 

Hint: They get to be a tad boxy themselves...

Dont you like classic 1950s and 1960s American iron?

Hint: The Tri-5 Chevys are called shoe boxes as a nickname for a reason...

PS: Arent you always saying that 4 door coupes are boring?

What gives?

Dont beat around the bush....

Say you hate Japanese cars and be done with it!!!

Here's my answers to the above :
• Am totally indifferent to that era Caprice/MCs.
• Do YOU know why the Tri-5 Chevys (and the '49-50 Fords) were sometimes referred to as 'shoebox'es?
• 4-door coupes aren't any MORE interesting that the 4-dr sedans they're tweaked from; they're both just 4-dr sedans.
• Yeah- most japanese cars just don't come across as very interesting or engaging. IMO that definately includes the Skylines- so bland.

Edited July 23, 2017 by balthazar

[A Horse With No Name]

My sister owned a couple of Preludes back in the day, they were cool cars.

I don't understand the need for everyone to like the same cars...I like a little bit of everything...

...but I could care less if everyone liked what I did...

[oldshurst442]

18 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

My sister owned a couple of Preludes back in the day, they were cool cars.

I don't understand the need for everyone to like the same cars...I like a little bit of everything...

...but I could care less if everyone liked what I did...

Its when double standard logic is used to define like and dislike that I have a problem with...

Boxy blah-mobile description could also be applied to a top of the line 1987 Monte Carlo SS with all its glory...a 305cube V8 making an earth shattering 180HP...

 

You know why I like a Honda Prelude? (it wasnt always love with me and a Prelude or any Honda product of that era or any Japanese car for that matter)

• 130 or so horsepower in the later years.
• nimble
• 4 wheel steering in the later years
• pop-up head lights creating a sexy sporty 2 door car for the young adult for the time that was the 1980s.
• yes, it was not a Mustang 5.0 or Camaro IROC or Trans AM GTA nor a "muscle car" Monte Carlo SS or Olds Cutlass Supreme or Pontiac Grand Prix all with that "glorious" 305  V8....but it was a sporty car exactly right for the times that was the 1980s.

 

Why I like a R33 Skyline...the first time I learned about them (I did not know what a Skyline was and I had no idea what a R32 or R33 was) was in the mid 1994 or 1995 when Motortrend had a 1994 Corvette LT1 head up to Japan and they did a head to head type deal with a R33. (before a R34  came out)

• I immediately fell in love with the styling (subjective)
• 275 horses off an inline 6 with turbos...
•  a decade went by when I learned that 276 horses was a very conservative number
• It beat the  1994 Vette LT1 is several performance specs
• I learned the history of these later on in life and learned that these have a history like our Muscle cars
• In fact...family cars these were based on
• Nissan had a lot of racing state of the art tech engineered to them

 

[oldshurst442]

23 hours ago, balthazar said:

Do YOU know why the Tri-5 Chevys (and the '49-50 Fords) were sometimes referred to as 'shoebox'es?

Why yes I do!!!

The cars above are NOT shoeboxes as they have bulbous fenders...The 48 Ford has front and rear bulbous fenders while both Chevys have only rear bulbous fenders.

The cars below are called shoeboxes...

Although initially 'twas the  '55, '56, '57 Chevys affectionately known as shoeboxes, Ford too got that nickname....

Why?

Flat sided bodies...like a shoebox....

I just added the box like blah description to prove a point...

While its cool to wave the American flag...using double standards to justify likes and dislikes irks me...

I dont care what you like or dis-like.

I dont care if you like or dis-like Japanese cars.

I dont care if you like or dis-like American cars.

Dont tell me you dislike one brand of  car and like another and use a specific attribute when both seemingly have the same  attributes.

Be honest and ADMIT YOUR BIAS!!! WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE BIASES.

WHAT WE ARENT ALLOWED IS TO BE HYPOCRITICAL ABOUT IT!!!

I WILL CALL YOU UP ON IT!!!

PS: I admit my biases. Please do the same! I think Ive earned that respect.

Especially when it was written in a way that actually pointed a finger on me LIKING a Honda Accord Coupe and Prelude!!!

On 7/22/2017 at 1:54 PM, dfelt said:

Each their own, just blah box's to me.

 

PSS: I EVEN ADMITTED A BIAS MYSELF IN THAT POST DFELT QUOTED ME ON TELLING ME EACH THEIR OWN!!!

On 7/22/2017 at 0:51 PM, oldshurst442 said:

But this is the last you will ever see me admit to that!!!

 

Edited July 23, 2017 by oldshurst442

[oldshurst442]

@balthazar

Ive downvoted you twice now because I dont really think a couple of those posts deserve a +1 vote.

Ya'll could high five yourselves like you are in a private boys club...Im letting you know that this boy here...he aint too happy with the club house mentality!

I still love you guys... @dfelt @balthazar @A Horse With No Name and I respect the dickens out of you folk. A little tension and friction (in a friendly way) to spawn conversation and discussion is very healthy.

Just to let you know Balthy, that the last conversations we had regarding profits and this one here is enjoyed by me fully and if it seems Im a tad aggressive...its only for fun to spark discussion and amusement for both of us and anybody else that wants to read and join in the conversation!!!

Edited July 23, 2017 by oldshurst442

[frogger]

Accord coupe buyers will move on to a CUV or SUV just like most other coupe buyers have, or move up to a German or down to a Civic coupe.

 

 

[daves87rs]

They will just keep them forever then....

[David]

10 hours ago, daves87rs said:

They will just keep them forever then....

 

[Cmicasa the Great]

On 7/21/2017 at 0:25 PM, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Because it is so unlikely that Honda buyers or intenders would ever consider a domestic RWD model....  I just couldn't see that working.  Totally different models, different market niche, different buyers.

 

On 7/21/2017 at 0:27 PM, oldshurst442 said:

Ill answer...The Accord Coupe crowd has nothing to do with the Camaro and Mustang crowd. Even the Challenger crowd. Even if 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder pony cars are marketed to these folk.

These folk bought an Accord coupe when the Mustang and Camaro were on sale and they skipped on the chance to own an American pony car and if the allure of American pony car did not attract them then, then nothing will attract them to an American pony car even when the Accord coupe will no longer be available to them...

Yeah.. my niece.. who had a used Honda Accord Coupe as her first car.. got her first real job and decided that she wanted either a Camaro or a Challenger.. sucks to say that she was able to get a helluva deal on an R/T that she was unable to get on the SS.. Accord Coupe??? Never even considered it as in her words.. "I always should have had a V8." 

Both of your mindsets are old world 90s-2000s thinking. The rules no longer apply. Because of various fiascos with the Toyota/Honda/Nissan vehicles over the last few years.. and the improvement of the tech, capabilities and perception (not to mention marketing) Chevy(GM), Ford etc have had great conquest sales as of late.. That being said.. the Honda Accord COUPE of the last 10 years have really been just a sporty alternative to the Accord Coupe. No different than the Altima Coupe. PROPER MARKETING and Chevy and Ford (and Dodge) could easily win those sales and put plenty of ex-Accord Coupe owners in Camaros and Mustangs. The actually have competent V6 and 4Cyl Turbos now to directly correlate with what the Accord buyers once had. 

And no offense to U MOLTAR but I hope from that Cubical U aren't in the marketing or sales business.. cause I'd fire U on the spot if U told me that because some of my clients have been used to Dell supplying their Servers and workstations for years that there was no way my company could sell them on our custom built units. Shit.. I would have been out of business years ago.. instead of going on 20 years

[A Horse With No Name]

On 7/23/2017 at 10:41 PM, daves87rs said:

They will just keep them forever then....

No really given that Honda is just behind Nissan in cheap leases and getting clueless twenty somethings and thirty somethings in the door to buy their entirely bland and uninteresting product...they will probably ship them to a third world country just like they do with obsolete clothing for sports teams and junk computer parts.

My apologies to people living in the other 49 states and Canada that Ohio seems to be the source of this cesspool of automotive mediocrity...

[Robert Hall]

 Heh-heh...I'm a software engineer, couldn't imagine doing sales or marketing..not my thing.   I still can't see how long term import buyers would consider domestic, it doesn't happen, but I bet the conversion rate is very, very low.. 

[Cmicasa the Great]

On 7/23/2017 at 5:42 PM, frogger said:

Accord coupe buyers will move on to a CUV or SUV just like most other coupe buyers have, or move up to a German or down to a Civic coupe.

 

 

From a coupe... to a 5 Door.. or a more expensive BMW or Audi...or.. just go from the Honda flagship to the compact.. just like that.  Yeah that makes sense more than just buying a superior pony car for the same money and fuel economy. 

[Robert Hall]

Just now, Cmicasa the Great said:

From a coupe... to a 5 Door.. or a more expensive BMW or Audi...or.. just go from the Honda flagship to the compact.. just like that.  Yeah that makes sense more than just buying a superior pony car for the same money and fuel economy. 

Coupe buyers are maybe 0.5% of the market, so I doubt if car makers really care what they buy next... 

[A Horse With No Name]

5 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

 

Yeah.. my niece.. who had a used Honda Accord Coupe as her first car.. got her first real job and decided that she wanted either a Camaro or a Challenger.. sucks to say that she was able to get a helluva deal on an R/T that she was unable to get on the SS.. Accord Coupe??? Never even considered it as in her words.. "I always should have had a V8." 

Both of your mindsets are old world 90s-2000s thinking. The rules no longer apply. Because of various fiascos with the Toyota/Honda/Nissan vehicles over the last few years.. and the improvement of the tech, capabilities and perception (not to mention marketing) Chevy(GM), Ford etc have had great conquest sales as of late.. That being said.. the Honda Accord COUPE of the last 10 years have really been just a sporty alternative to the Accord Coupe. No different than the Altima Coupe. PROPER MARKETING and Chevy and Ford (and Dodge) could easily win those sales and put plenty of ex-Accord Coupe owners in Camaros and Mustangs. The actually have competent V6 and 4Cyl Turbos now to directly correlate with what the Accord buyers once had. 

And no offense to U MOLTAR but I hope from that Cubical U aren't in the marketing or sales business.. cause I'd fire U on the spot if U told me that because some of my clients have been used to Dell supplying their Servers and workstations for years that there was no way my company could sell them on our custom built units. Shit.. I would have been out of business years ago.. instead of going on 20 years

The real era of interesting Japanese automotive products really started to come to an end about 2002 or 2003.  Since then, Honda/Nissan/Toyota/Kia/Hyundai have been largely building vehicles that make a 2003 Ford Crown Vic look almost pornographic in how attractive it is.

I still like Subaru and Mazda, but the rest of the Asian cars have become wildly uninteresting.

1 minute ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Coupe buyers are maybe 0.5% of the market, so I doubt if car makers really care what they buy next... 

I doubt Honda at the moment really cars about anything more than cheap leases and the smell of slightly rotten sushi in the company cafeteria.

[Cmicasa the Great]

Just now, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

 Heh-heh...I'm a software engineer, couldn't imagine doing sales or marketing..not my thing.   I still can't see how long term import buyers would consider domestic, it doesn't happen, but I bet the conversion rate is very, very low.. 

Said the same GOD DAMN THING by a GM/FORD/CHRYSLER/AMC exec 40-30 years ago... just vice-versa. and IT DID HAPPEN. The clock got reset back  in 2005.. the gradual death of the BS perception that Japanese is better started fading around that time.

[A Horse With No Name]

Honda does build the NSX, but they sell like 20 a month...There are far more Camaros and Mustangs, Corvettes and the like sold every day....

Just now, Cmicasa the Great said:

Said the same GOD DAMN THING by a GM/FORD/CHRYSLER/AMC exec 40-30 years ago... just vice-versa. and IT DID HAPPEN. The clock got reset back  in 2005.. the gradual death of the BS perception that Japanese is better started fading around that time.

Agreed....although the stupid runs deep with modern car buyers.

[Robert Hall]

Just now, Cmicasa the Great said:

Said the same GOD DAMN THING by a GM/FORD/CHRYSLER/AMC exec 40-30 years ago... just vice-versa. and IT DID HAPPEN. The clock got reset back  in 2005.. the gradual death of the BS perception that Japanese is better started fading around that time.

Yet the top selling sedan is still the Camry, isn't it? 

[Cmicasa the Great]

1 minute ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Coupe buyers are maybe 0.5% of the market, so I doubt if car makers really care what they buy next... 

Hold up.. I'm building Camaros and Mustangs.. and don't want the sliver of market share that the Accord Coupe (and once Altima Coupe) had??? BULLSHIT. Funny thing is I'm betting good money that a great deal of Altima coupe buyers bought a Ford or Chevy instead of the 370z in 2014

5 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

The real era of interesting Japanese automotive products really started to come to an end about 2002 or 2003.  Since then, Honda/Nissan/Toyota/Kia/Hyundai have been largely building vehicles that make a 2003 Ford Crown Vic look almost pornographic in how attractive it is.

 

and filling rental car lots by the millions, as GM has gotten out of that market. FACT

3 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Yet the top selling sedan is still the Camry, isn't it? 

Yup.. that isn't because everyone who buys a Camry is buying it because its a "great car." The Camry is an anomaly for sure.. but if U call many buyers I kno referring to their Camry as "yeah.. that's my POS Camry over there" as great perception than something ain't right 

[A Horse With No Name]

57 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Hold up.. I'm building Camaros and Mustangs.. and don't want the sliver of market share that the Accord Coupe (and once Altima Coupe) had??? BULLSHIT. Funny thing is I'm betting good money that a great deal of Altima coupe buyers bought a Ford or Chevy instead of the 370z in 2014

and filling rental car lots by the millions, as GM has gotten out of that market. FACT

Yup.. that isn't because everyone who buys a Camry is buying it because its a "great car." The Camry is an anomaly for sure.. but if U call many buyers I kno referring to their Camry as "yeah.. that's my POS Camry over there" as great perception than something ain't right 

370Z is very dated product...nothing says celibate Asian teenager living in LA and a video game addict like driving that car....because that is the last group to cheer for it...Asian males who are completely unable to win over the fair sex...

[Robert Hall]

7 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

370Z is very dated product...nothing says celibate Asian teenager living in LA and a video game addict like driving that car....because that is the last group to cheer for it...Asian males who are completely unable to win over the fair sex...

The thing that cracked me up is the last 370Z I saw was here in NE Ohio..rolling down Rockside Road with pearlescent purple/blue paint, a wide body kit, huge tires and  big tailpipes..gray haired white guy that appeared to be about 60...

[A Horse With No Name]

24 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

The thing that cracked me up is the last 370Z I saw was here in NE Ohio..rolling down Rockside Road with pearlescent purple/blue paint, a wide body kit, huge tires and  big tailpipes..gray haired white guy that appeared to be about 60...

This is Ohio....you will probably see a 370 Z with a gun rack and a deer on the hood...quarter panels flapping in the breeze from rust....as Camino said...the rolling junkyards of Ohio....!

[oldshurst442]

1 hour ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Both of your mindsets are old world 90s-2000s thinking. The rules no longer apply

I love your spunk, dude!

But

 

 

If all that marketing right there....built in for 50 years...and the Hollywood style entrances...literally Hollywood style...

 

Did not entice buyers of these

 

NOTHING WILL!!!!

[oldshurst442]

No amount of fake genius marketing could reverse that trend.

REAL HONEST TRUE HISTORY did not entice these folk....

In other words....Ive seen you paint me and @Cubical-aka-Moltar as obsolete thinkers...cool!

Ive shown you why I think the way I do with, as usual, youtube vids...

Question is...how would YOU Mr. @Cmicasa the Great sell the really not needed selling of Camaro and Mustang to these obviously not giving a damn about ecoboosted Ford and Turboed Pontiac Solstice  4 cylinder derived (from Opel ecotec) pony cars that also have V6s as options and let us not forget them really not giving a shyte for the V8s?

 

 

 

[Robert Hall]

Anecdotally, of course, it seems many young coupe buyers as they mature and their reality context changes move on to family sedans, CUVs, etc.   A friend that drove an Accord coupe back around 2000 (a Prelude before that)  now is married w/ 2.5 kids and has an Accord sedan and Pilot (still likes Hondas). 

[A Horse With No Name]

16 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

I love your spunk, dude!

But

 

 

If all that marketing right there....built in for 50 years...and the Hollywood style entrances...literally Hollywood style...

 

Did not entice buyers of these

 

NOTHING WILL!!!!

Exactly!

6 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Anecdotally, of course, it seems many young coupe buyers as they mature and their reality context changes move on to family sedans, CUVs, etc.   A friend that drove an Accord coupe back around 2000 (a Prelude before that)  now is married w/ 2.5 kids and has an Accord sedan and Pilot (still likes Hondas). 

...and people of all ages that love cars and want coupes really don't want to drop 40 grand on a six cylinder wanna be that really in substance dates back to 2003 in the form of the 370Z!

[oldshurst442]

3 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Anecdotally, of course, it seems many young coupe buyers as they mature and their reality context changes move on to family sedans, CUVs, etc.   A friend that drove an Accord coupe back around 2000 (a Prelude before that)  now is married w/ 2.5 kids and has an Accord sedan and Pilot (still likes Hondas). 

Sounds like me.

I bought an Olds Alero coupe in 1999. I did own a 1989 Firebird at one time.

Today I  own a Honda product. A sedan. An Acura product to where I think that had Olds been still alive, Olds would have been a direct competitor to Acura.

And yes I do have 2.5 kids. Well, a wife, 2 kids and 3 parakeets!

I still like my Oldsmobiles...Buicks now I guess...but not as much as Oldsmobile and that Acura...well...Im loving that too. I wished I would be able to own a Challenger....even a Pentastar....the wife, 2 kids and 3 parakeets gets in the way of that Challenger!

[A Horse With No Name]

2 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Sounds like me.

I bought an Olds Alero coupe in 1999. I did own a 1989 Firebird at one time.

Today I  own a Honda product. A sedan. An Acura product to where I think that had Olds been still alive, Olds would have been a direct competitor to Acura.

And yes I do have 2.5 kids. Well, a wife, 2 kids and 3 parakeets!

I still like my Oldsmobiles...Buicks now I guess...but not as much as Oldsmobile and that Acura...well...Im loving that too. I wished I would be able to own a Challenger....even a Pentastar....the wife, 2 kids and 3 parakeets gets in the way of that Challenger!

Hopefully they have the sense to get out of the way of that speeding muscle car....4000 pounds and 450 Horsepower would hurt...

Parakeets also told me if you get a Chryco muscle car they want a Superbird.

[oldshurst442]

2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Hopefully they have the sense to get out of the way of that speeding muscle car....4000 pounds and 450 Horsepower would hurt...

LMFAO on this!!!

 

2 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Parakeets also told me if you get a Chryco muscle car they want a Superbird.

LOL on that!

A blue, a yellow and a green one. Tweety, Bluey and Charlie. Can you guess which one is the green one?

Well, Bluey wants a blue Superbird

we settled for a regular blue Roadrunner.

Tweety wants the car with the Screaming Chicken on the hood.

I said Tweety...Ill get you the one with the Screaming Chicken on the hood, but its a Phoenix and the car is a Trans Am.  Ill get you that  Trans Am, but Ill get you a Firehawk Trans Am. You ROCK dude is what I told him!

 

Charlie. Charlie is a tad jealous at this point. He starts yelling that he wants an Eagle car. The Eagle he told me...THE EAGLE!  And he pointed to the iPhone as he used Siri to show me this

 

 

Lets just say Charlie is sleeping with the fishes.

Hey! His choice was not a  Muscle Car!

[Robert Hall]

Another random observation...a buddy of mine who is fast closing in on 50 is getting his midlife urge for a fun car from his youth..he's hunting for a clean late 80s Trans Am, a car he wanted when he was young but never had.  (He did have a Sunbird for a while).  Has a Silverado and a Tahoe now.   He's got two teenage boys, and is trying to get them interested in a car like that as a family project...he said they have no interest in cars or driving, all they want do is play Minecraft and other games....

[David]

1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

No amount of fake genius marketing could reverse that trend.

REAL HONEST TRUE HISTORY did not entice these folk....

In other words....Ive seen you paint me and @Cubical-aka-Moltar as obsolete thinkers...cool!

Ive shown you why I think the way I do with, as usual, youtube vids...

Question is...how would YOU Mr. @Cmicasa the Great sell the really not needed selling of Camaro and Mustang to these obviously not giving a damn about ecoboosted Ford and Turboed Pontiac Solstice  4 cylinder derived (from Opel ecotec) pony cars that also have V6s as options and let us not forget them really not giving a shyte for the V8s?

Easy, If GM or Ford cares to conquest the Honda Coupe buyers, then you take the Honda crappy coupes and put them up against the Turbo 4 bangers and V6 engined Camaro or Mustang. Give them a free drive and compare. I bet you could convince many to make the change.

Best way would be to find them in the rental fleets and put them up against the products.

Comparison is the only way I can see these people realizing they have better options that are American Options. Otherwise the Asian Lemmings will just move over to some other Asian Lemming auto when no coupe is available.

33 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Another random observation...a buddy of mine who is fast closing in on 50 is getting his midlife urge for a fun car from his youth..he's hunting for a clean late 80s Trans Am, a car he wanted when he was young but never had.  (He did have a Sunbird for a while).  Has a Silverado and a Tahoe now.   He's got two teenage boys, and is trying to get them interested in a car like that as a family project...he said they have no interest in cars or driving, all they want do is play Minecraft and other games....

Millennials, what more can be said! 

No concept of a freedom machine and a way to take a girl out.

[A Horse With No Name]

1 hour ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Another random observation...a buddy of mine who is fast closing in on 50 is getting his midlife urge for a fun car from his youth..he's hunting for a clean late 80s Trans Am, a car he wanted when he was young but never had.  (He did have a Sunbird for a while).  Has a Silverado and a Tahoe now.   He's got two teenage boys, and is trying to get them interested in a car like that as a family project...he said they have no interest in cars or driving, all they want do is play Minecraft and other games....

Pretty much true....my kids friends regard a car as an expensive environmental disaster...

33 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Millennials, what more can be said! 

No concept of a freedom machine and a way to take a girl out.

When sex is something you do in a darkened room with the volume turned down..and you are still living at home so mom can wash the sheets afterwards....why would you want a car to take a girl out?

1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

LMFAO on this!!!

 

LOL on that!

A blue, a yellow and a green one. Tweety, Bluey and Charlie. Can you guess which one is the green one?

Well, Bluey wants a blue Superbird

we settled for a regular blue Roadrunner.

Tweety wants the car with the Screaming Chicken on the hood.

I said Tweety...Ill get you the one with the Screaming Chicken on the hood, but its a Phoenix and the car is a Trans Am.  Ill get you that  Trans Am, but Ill get you a Firehawk Trans Am. You ROCK dude is what I told him!

 

Charlie. Charlie is a tad jealous at this point. He starts yelling that he wants an Eagle car. The Eagle he told me...THE EAGLE!  And he pointed to the iPhone as he used Siri to show me this

 

 

Lets just say Charlie is sleeping with the fishes.

Hey! His choice was not a  Muscle Car!

I gave them seed money for their dreams, and we are going to see if the credit app fly's.

[Robert Hall]

My buddy w/ the Volt and soon Bolt has two sons, one 17 and one 15...same way, neither has an interest in driving, they are interested in computers and technology.  Both are interning this summer at the consulting company where I used to work.    Probably both will be off to college to study CS.   Which is my world---always been into computers, but I did always have an interest in cars...different world today...

Edited July 26, 2017 by Cubical-aka-Moltar

[daves87rs]

4 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

No really given that Honda is just behind Nissan in cheap leases and getting clueless twenty somethings and thirty somethings in the door to buy their entirely bland and uninteresting product...they will probably ship them to a third world country just like they do with obsolete clothing for sports teams and junk computer parts.

My apologies to people living in the other 49 states and Canada that Ohio seems to be the source of this cesspool of automotive mediocrity...

Lol...

There are some diehards out there....my guess is that they may end up with something korean......

[A Horse With No Name]

1 hour ago, daves87rs said:

Lol...

There are some diehards out there....my guess is that they may end up with something korean......

From the frying pan into the fire...

 

[Robert Hall]

The Koreans seem to have given up on coupes also..the Hyundai Genesis and Eleantra coupes are gone.   It seems the market for non-performance, non-luxury marque coupes is dead.