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8 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Ah, where to start....

 

Pretty sure they are not buying FCA for the product (maybe Jeep and RAM), but more for the network to get their products here. And with the downturn, now would be a good time to buy. Mr M doesn't hold any Trump card (lol) that will make him more money here. I expect China to get a pretty good deal on a has been company....though I would not expect it to last long. Those who wanted cheaper cars will get their wish.....which would not be good for any automaker......

Would like to hope that China does not get their hands on FCA, as the average consumer is braindead and will be cheap and shiny without question. That spells major trouble for GM, Honda, Toyota, and everyone else-we don't need a battle to the bottom here.......

The strangest possible part of the whole deal is that Jeep alone is supposed to be valued more than all 4 brands combined.... which means that investors see Chrysler, Dodge, and possibly Ram as negative value. 

Whatever company buys them is not going to be able to ax the other brands and rebuild the new network, but they will have to fill those brands with new product.  Sadly, at this point, any leadership would be better than the leadership FCA currently has. China may be Dodge and Chrysler's only hope.

If one needs an example of it actually working out well, all one needs to do is look at Volvo.  This is why I was surprised by Geely saying they weren't interested in FCA at this time. A brand lineup of Volvo at the top, Chrysler as mid-premium like Buick, Dodge as the family car, Ram, and Jeep could actually work.  Volvo has a fantastic, flexible new platform (One of the best on the market at the moment IMHO) in SPA that could conceivably be used for Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep.  Chrysler could go to China as a Buick competitor, Jeep is already there, ProMasters and City could be rebadged into Geely or Jeep for China.  When you start looking across the lineups, picturing the replacements using SPA and filling in some of the current gaps, a Geely - Chrysler Group merger actually makes sense. 

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On 8/14/2017 at 8:45 PM, ocnblu said:

If this happens... another nail in America's industrial coffin.  And we have ourselves to blame.  No one else.

Quoted for truth!

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Dongfeng also denied a purchase of FCA

http://www.motortrend.com/news/dongfeng-doesnt-want-buy-fiat-chrysler-either/

 

Im thinking Sergio bullshytted...again...to bring attention to himself...again...

These are desperate desperate times for Sergio...

Time is running out on Sergio...

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8 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The strangest possible part of the whole deal is that Jeep alone is supposed to be valued more than all 4 brands combined.... which means that investors see Chrysler, Dodge, and possibly Ram as negative value. 

Whatever company buys them is not going to be able to ax the other brands and rebuild the new network, but they will have to fill those brands with new product.  Sadly, at this point, any leadership would be better than the leadership FCA currently has. China may be Dodge and Chrysler's only hope.

If one needs an example of it actually working out well, all one needs to do is look at Volvo.  This is why I was surprised by Geely saying they weren't interested in FCA at this time. A brand lineup of Volvo at the top, Chrysler as mid-premium like Buick, Dodge as the family car, Ram, and Jeep could actually work.  Volvo has a fantastic, flexible new platform (One of the best on the market at the moment IMHO) in SPA that could conceivably be used for Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep.  Chrysler could go to China as a Buick competitor, Jeep is already there, ProMasters and City could be rebadged into Geely or Jeep for China.  When you start looking across the lineups, picturing the replacements using SPA and filling in some of the current gaps, a Geely - Chrysler Group merger actually makes sense. 

True...I think Geely might be one that could work. I have to say I like what they have done with volvo....And the plan you mention would be a fine one.

 

Now as far a axing the brands, you have like 4 cars between two brands....pretty sure anyone could fill the gap......

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9 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The strangest possible part of the whole deal is that Jeep alone is supposed to be valued more than all 4 brands combined.... which means that investors see Chrysler, Dodge, and possibly Ram as negative value. 

Whatever company buys them is not going to be able to ax the other brands and rebuild the new network, but they will have to fill those brands with new product.  Sadly, at this point, any leadership would be better than the leadership FCA currently has. China may be Dodge and Chrysler's only hope.

If one needs an example of it actually working out well, all one needs to do is look at Volvo.  This is why I was surprised by Geely saying they weren't interested in FCA at this time. A brand lineup of Volvo at the top, Chrysler as mid-premium like Buick, Dodge as the family car, Ram, and Jeep could actually work.  Volvo has a fantastic, flexible new platform (One of the best on the market at the moment IMHO) in SPA that could conceivably be used for Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep.  Chrysler could go to China as a Buick competitor, Jeep is already there, ProMasters and City could be rebadged into Geely or Jeep for China.  When you start looking across the lineups, picturing the replacements using SPA and filling in some of the current gaps, a Geely - Chrysler Group merger actually makes sense. 

 

1 hour ago, daves87rs said:

True...I think Geely might be one that could work. I have to say I like what they have done with volvo....And the plan you mention would be a fine one.

 

Now as far a axing the brands, you have like 4 cars between two brands....pretty sure anyone could fill the gap......

I think no one will really know who in China if anyone is really going to buy FCA US. If it happens it will surprise everyone.

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1 hour ago, daves87rs said:

True...I think Geely might be one that could work. I have to say I like what they have done with volvo....And the plan you mention would be a fine one.

 

Now as far a axing the brands, you have like 4 cars between two brands....pretty sure anyone could fill the gap......

True, but one has to remember to think globally. Dodge never had much of a market outside of North America.  

Chrysler has been in Europe, they sell an oddly high number of Town and Country minivans there. It's just about the most common North American built, US branded vehicle I see there. Jeep is in China, neither Chrysler nor Dodge are. They could, and already have plans to send Chrysler to China starting next year.  Chrysler will be priced and positioned like Buick. Under Geely, they'd keep the Pacifica. 300 and 200 go on SPA as Lacrosse and Regal competitors. Add a crossover or 3 and the lineup is pretty full for both China and US. SPA was designed from the start to be a plug-in hybrid, so it would go over well with China's electric car goals.

No need to bring Dodge as a brand over to China, Geely is already an established brand, so just swap badges on which ever cars get shipped whichever direction. Dodge US could use some lower cost platform shared with Geely for the smaller stuff and the Volvo SPA for the Durango. Charger and Challenger would get axed under this scenario. Replacements for Dart, Avenger, Journey, and Nitro (FWD) could come from Geely.  This also gets Geely into the South America market via a reputable brand.

RAM and Jeep just keep on keepin on. JGC would probably need to move to SPA, just let the Americans make it trail rated. They'd eventually have to replace the Fiat based Jeeps, but they'd have 5 or 6 years to get that done. 

It's not impossible to imagine Volvo's new factory spitting out S90s, 300c, Durango and JGCs.

*Sorry if I'm rambling, hardly slept this week*

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49 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

True, but one has to remember to think globally. Dodge never had much of a market outside of North America.  

Chrysler has been in Europe, they sell an oddly high number of Town and Country minivans there. It's just about the most common North American built, US branded vehicle I see there. Jeep is in China, neither Chrysler nor Dodge are. They could, and already have plans to send Chrysler to China starting next year.  Chrysler will be priced and positioned like Buick. Under Geely, they'd keep the Pacifica. 300 and 200 go on SPA as Lacrosse and Regal competitors. Add a crossover or 3 and the lineup is pretty full for both China and US. SPA was designed from the start to be a plug-in hybrid, so it would go over well with China's electric car goals.

No need to bring Dodge as a brand over to China, Geely is already an established brand, so just swap badges on which ever cars get shipped whichever direction. Dodge US could use some lower cost platform shared with Geely for the smaller stuff and the Volvo SPA for the Durango. Charger and Challenger would get axed under this scenario. Replacements for Dart, Avenger, Journey, and Nitro (FWD) could come from Geely.  This also gets Geely into the South America market via a reputable brand.

RAM and Jeep just keep on keepin on. JGC would probably need to move to SPA, just let the Americans make it trail rated. They'd eventually have to replace the Fiat based Jeeps, but they'd have 5 or 6 years to get that done. 

It's not impossible to imagine Volvo's new factory spitting out S90s, 300c, Durango and JGCs.

*Sorry if I'm rambling, hardly slept this week*

 

Nope, makes perfect sense to me. If it goes Geely, I like this.......

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1 hour ago, dfelt said:

 

I think no one will really know who in China if anyone is really going to buy FCA US. If it happens it will surprise everyone.

True....it's all up in the air right now....

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